: Revert the damage champions are dealing first then ill agree on reducing cdr from items.
It's literally not one or the other. It's the same. More cdr, more spells, more dmg. Or have u seen riot reduce every champions dmg by 40% when they pushed CDR to the levels?
: You're right! Why would Riot ever consider balancing the elo that most people play in? Whilst I agree that balancing around high elo is ideal, ignoring low elo completely is idiotic. The low elo players provide the majority of Riot's $$$ so you can't leave them completely in the dirt.
Okagemi (NA)
: A Change That Kled Desperately Needs
No, makes Kled too frustrating to play against. Especially in lane it is too easy to remount for that to be a thing. What kled needs are: A) straight buffs. More Q dmg early or late, reduce the time it takes to pull people back by rank, better scaling on W. SOMETHING. Such a piss poor lanebully that loses lane to lanebullies and gets outscaled. Ever since riot destroyed conq kled fell off a cliff because all he has is flat physical dmg and nothing else. The % value on his last W isn't even worth talking about. B) FIX HIS DAMN BUGS FOR FUCK SAKE. Every single game i die at least once or lose a kill because this fuckin champion just doesn't work. Q just goes through the enemy. W goes off as a normal AA that either does no dmg or the normal AA dmg value. Dismounted Q deals no dmg AND gives no courage in straight melee range sometimes when it should give the full value since all pellets hit but instead just goes through the enemy. His second E sometimes just goes on cooldown without using it, sometimes you follow enemies over terrain sometimes you are stuck in the terrain and can't go over it. Make it consistent, e.g. he can use his E to go over terrain like every other fuckin dash in the game or he can't do it at all. As it is it's fuckin whacky and annoying actually. His second E not working in the intented direction. Should i start with his ult bugs? Lock on to the enemy sometimes works sometimes it doesn't. You CLEARLY ult away from people and he still bumps into the one chasing him when you use it as a disengage tool meaning instead of running away you go into them despite me pressing THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION OF THE ENEMY. His ult paths, holy shit. Like not even talking about autopathing being shit and actually taking a longer route, atleast you end up at your destination. No no you have the path visible on the ground he will take and suddenly he makes a turn and takes another path (happens mostly in the jungle where there are a lot of obstacles to go around). And my most favorite, kled ults into the opposite direction you pressed. Man what a feeling wanting to charge into the enemy and instead he goes backwards which happens mostly when you ult in melee range or very short ranges to use it as a simply CC tool so you can for example stop darius from ulting or stop camille dash etc. etc. Oh and something that also should be brought in line to be consistent is his dismounted movement speed. Towards enemies you have high MS, away you are a snail. So far so good. Sometimes you run with full value at the enemy, sometimes you basically charge up the movement speed until you get the full value. So many kills that run away because you don't get the MS boost immediately despite being in range. Idk if it's his range that is just whacky so basically when enemies are close to being or being closely out of range of the MS boost it starts getting whacky idk but it should get fixed. It feels so shit to Q back to get courage and create some space until for example your W comes off cooldown to trying to run to the enemy but you don't get the MS boost and he can just walk away. Do all that (the bug fixes) and kled alone is already a better champion. So far it sucks to play this champion. I love him but whenever i play one game and get a bug that annoys me it's the last game of the day and i just don't want to continue playing him. And it is an utter disgrace riot ignores a functioning non VGU listed champion being bugged to hell and because of it probably very unpopular instead of fixing it. Nono we have to like bugfix kai'sa bewbs being a particle smaller than supposed to be. She makes money after all. Kled is unpopular so fuck that champion. Competitive Esports game btw where champions sometimes work and sometimes they don't. TL;DR: Don't do what op said. Instead give him buffs to either his early game (preferable) or his lategame AND FIX HIS FUCKIN BUGS. MAKE HIM A PLAYABLE CHAMPION FOR CHRISTS SAKE AND DON'T LET HIM ROT RIOT.
: I main Top lane as Jax.I got 1 mil mastery points with him so this is what i'm gonna advise you. Honestly your champion's pool is really small and it's hard to carry with these champions. 1) **Start playing some hyper carries that scale hard mid/late game.**If you get an Assassin like jungler you can play something tankier.Singed is a good champion to play as he is my second main and is really good with the recent buffs. 2) **DO NOT EXPECT YOUR JUNGLER TO HELP YOU**.I recently moved back to East server from west due to getting matched with bad junglers game after game.Got demoted 2 times from Platinum with this poor matchmaking. 3) **Focus on getting LVL 2 first.** If your jungler comes for top scuttle be sure to assist him as it's one of the key points on laning phase.I Died so many times to learn that trust me. 4) **If the enemy's jungler ganks you twice in 1-2 minutes that means he prioritized your lane.**Especially when your bot lane is pressured,do not expect to farm safely. 5) **When you are first pick,it's better to pick a ranged Champion without the stress of getting countered.**Pick Urgot or Jayce and farm.Gnar is also a good champion but his clear is slow.After all the minion changes i would never pick him because of his slow clear as mini gnar. 6) **SAVE YOUR TP ALWAYS.** 1 Teleport can change the tide of the whole match in this meta.It's always better to save it to help your bot/mid lane than going back to your lane.For that,be sure to always push your lane before any other action. Fiora is a champion that requires so much time to learn.Camille,though i never played her seems easier to learn.Whatever you play,pay attention to your team's composition.Sometimes you can lose games because of it.
Camille is 100% harder to learn than fiora by the virtue of her losing pretty much most matchups alone and how to play around them. Fiora is braindead winning lane with. Not that difficult to spam grasp Q off cooldown. Same with anyone who can abuse grasp.
: Hope you get the better jungler. That's all there is to it. I had a game where the douchebag wanted to start red, forces me to leash for her, then never comes back to lane again after she's put me at a CS and xp disadvantage for arriving to my lane late. Top lane is way jg reliant. Play mid or bot lane if you want options. This is because top lane is the only true 99% melee lane in the game, and that means that if you lost lane you are completely zoned off CS or risk dying. If I lose lane mid on Annie/Lux/Malzahar, I can still last hit from range. I might get poked down and be forced to back, but I can still get CS. This simply will not happen in top lane because you HAVE to put yourself in engagement range to CS. It's by far the most snowball heavy lane in the game with jungler being the other one.
Never leash for a jungler topside. Atleast that's what i do. Junglers attitude in game and in the community the last two three years pisses me off so hard considering their role being absolutely batshit broken for three seasons straight now. If they wanna lose the game by camping the losing bot instead of getting their 80% WR toplaner ahead so be it but don't expect me to leash. I'm just trying to win 1v2 toplane with my push and lead if that doesn't work oh well who gives a shit. People have no idea about toplane. Whenever my friends, enemies or whoever complains about a toplaner intfeeding i'm just reminding them of their safety being a ranged champion and how toplane works. It's not unusual for me that when i get ahead top the enemy top is three levels down and dies whenever he returns to lane or just gets full health doven by me. People have no idea how hard you can get abused by a snowballing toplaner if he's competent and confident in his ability to play the lane.
: > [{quoted}](name=Myrmiron,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2roEWTRU,comment-id=00010002,timestamp=2019-04-28T05:31:32.589+0000) > > I'd say it's the 2nd weakest, top being the weakest. Mid and jg are the weakest rn. Top lane has a huge amount of impact rn and lane presence since tp is meta again, not to mention whenever a top laner goes 4/0 in their lane they usually manage to carry the rest of the game and win it
Yes the 6 minute tp+jungle easily camping top the entire early game makes it have a huuuuge impact. How much impact it has you can see with the first top ranked toplaner being rank 35. With 20 mids and adcs above them. Mid is so weak guys.
Neriticc (EUW)
: GP LATE GAME CHAMP BTW
Because GP isn't a late game champ anymore? He is a dogshit champion nerfed into being a ranged grasp bully on toplane. He does nothing but annoy and cheese melees. Not even a shadow of his former self but that's what happens when you threaten mage oppression in midlane.
: >kaisa is stronger than vayne Are you like, a comedian?
Before ridiculing others maybe you should educate yourself first. Like look what the top soloQ adcs play (hint it starts with K and ends with freelo). Or what the pros play. (Starts with K and ends with nerf this shit already).
Well Cause (EUNE)
: A champion that can be unkillable and oneshot entire enemy team without much effort Of course he's balanced
Just buy grievous wounds 4Head
Jamaree (NA)
: His early game is piss poor and abusable. Side note, if you ever want to find out why a champion has anything, play them, your perspective changes real quick.
Yes a champion that is frequently firstpicked has a piss poor early game. Seems legit.
: You nerfed champions right away with a lower win rate/annoying to face. Can you stop treating us like we are dumb, and just say you don't want to nerf vayne or riven cuz it brings viewers and people enjoy those champs. she's very strong.
Riot can't openly admit league is basically dead in the west and they need the asian audiences money on riven and vayne, two highly popular champs over there and here as well.
YaShIr0 (EUW)
: So basically, you are planning some minor or major rework on Vayne and Riven ? the problem of Riven, is that she didn't get any direct buff to be in that spot, and I also think that the new conqueror need some tweaks, the idea of healing and making true damage at the same time if over powered, that need some balancing. The spear of Shojin is also broken, so far the only item that gives you 20% CDR, so it's easy for Rivens to get access to CDR in early and then snowball.
No they are literally trying to fool the community. Remember when they said they would look into yasuo to remove some of his frustration? When was that? Two years ago now? They want the community to shutup so they tease us with how they will get some work to their kits and then riot never talks about it again for the next five years and whenever you bring it up on them forums that these champions are still overpowered some idiot riot whiteknights will come and tell you that they are working on it. For another five years.
: This video is an excellent presentation and well put together CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. Third party replay software should be allowed if Riot isn't going to improve on any of the points covered in this video. Well done Vandril. I hope Vandril gets the attention he deserves and Riot listens to him. Make things better for our content creators! Hashinshin basically got everything he wanted after telling Riot to kill themselves and he still complains about everything. Throw the respectful critic a bone this time.
> [{quoted}](name=Pandemic Punch,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=XYrfzi3M,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-04-26T16:46:53.365+0000) > > This video is an excellent presentation and well put together CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. Third party replay software should be allowed if Riot isn't going to improve on any of the points covered in this video. Well done Vandril. I hope Vandril gets the attention he deserves and Riot listens to him. Make things better for our content creators! > > Hashinshin basically got everything he wanted after telling Riot to kill themselves and he still complains about everything. Throw the respectful critic a bone this time. Hashinshin wanted toplane to be nerfed over and over again and be ruled by mages and other ranged cancer+ riven. Yeah that's what he wanted? Because that is what we got. If we got what we wanted playing toplane might actually be fun.
: Riot's OP line
Explains why the balance is so fuckin garbage. According to that line ryze basically needs buffs which is quite the opposite with him being picked/banned a lot in high elo and pro. Same with akali who is batshit broken. Same with sylas who is still strong. If that is their balance approach by looking at three numbers and then throwing coins on what to buff/nerf it's just idk very sad. Very sad day for riot and the game league of legends that this is how they want to approach solo Q balance. If that is some ironic aprils fools about the meme of their imaginary line great but it's real. It's actually real.
Antenora (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7iu90wej,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2019-04-26T11:21:53.020+0000) > > Range has an undeniable and noticeeably easier time avoiding most CC > > but don't let that stop you from arguing a point he didn't make lul Most ranged champions especially ADC's can't afford to take things like Mercury Treads, Legend Tenacity unlike Melee. Taking those on a Melee champion most of the time doesn't affect your overall power. Legend Alacrity/Bloodline/ Attack Speed boots are huge power gains for Marksmen and other attack speed/lifesteal reliant champions.
And melee's don't suffer anything by missing out on alacrity which is 15% dmg you lose ? Or lifesteal from bloodline? Melees basically have to go tenacity in most matchups. For marksmen it is beneficial that they DONT have to go tenacity and can instead opt into more DPS because they have the advantage of being ranged. What a fuckin joke of this community trying to make it look like ranged is actually a weakness in a game with zero penalties to being ranged on top of them having better scaling, better and cheaper items. Tenacity has shitty returns considering that the most prominent CC which is airborne effects isn't even affected by it and stacking it as i said has shitty returns.
: Tbh i think it has to do more with the fact damage is r%%%%%ed and CDR is way too abundant than with chain CC on its own. With CDR being pretty much everywhere there isn't really any thought into how to use it. You just hit whoever you can and it will be worth it, there's no need to save CC for priority targets since you can blow up whoever gets hit because tanks don't exist anymore.
Yes slapping CDR onto everything without literally nerfing every dmg and CC ability by basically the same amount has made this game so fuckin garbage and people don't realize it. When a vlad has two seconds CD on his Q at rank 5 and keeps spamming 500 dmg/200 heal nukes every 2 seconds. Vlad is just an example here. DPS champs in lategame should rain supreme when everyone is durable but since everyone thanks to CDR does sustained burst dmg it doesn't work anymore as it is supposed to be. Hence why ADCs need to deal burst per auto instead of dmg per auto.
SirPurrr (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Brony Gaymer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pIEMPjJu,comment-id=000a0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-26T00:21:39.744+0000) > > Other players can coin flip, it doesn't mean YOU have to coin flip. It's simple enough to just consistently make the highest EV calls if you, yourself, recognize where EV is and can execute. You can't really argue in favor of the existence of ELO hell in a world where Elo boosters exist. And for the record, I could climb higher than your plateau with a 90% or better winrate on your server in 200 ping and i'm posting from an Iron 4 account so think on that > > As for the salt? I am more of a happy / earnest and comfortable sort. Absolutely agree with you that players who are good at smurfing can rush through low ELO. Hell, ForestWithin made it to Masters from unranked in just under a week and had an 85% win rate to boot. IWD also did unranked to GM in a week. Sunset got pretty high up there too in a week from unranked and had a 75%+ winrate. Streamers have proven time and again that it's possible but you do have to realize that the champions they play are generally high skillcap and very exploitative against SQ players. They don't normally play utility/tank champions unless they're particularly strong in the meta. I'm not saying you can't climb on those because there's plenty of proof you can if you adjust properly BUT, you are probably going to have a harder time (especially in lower ELO) than playing Kha, Rengar, Kindred, Hec, J4, Rek etc. That's kind of what OP is saying and it's true in my experience too. Match making actually is pretty bad at lower ELOs or at the least, let's just say players are very unreliable. Macro play takes a backseat to kills because it's so much easier to get kills/your team dies to pressure so easily. You have to make adjustments both in picks and playstyle when at much lower levels.
And what do the streamers play? Jungle. Or mid. Only lanes that can consistently hardcarry. You won't find someone playing aatrox rn on a 90% winrate from unranked to high diamond.
Mulonda (EUW)
: No matter what people think, this is a team game, there is a way higher chance of there being 1 player that can lose you the game than win you the game.
No riot specifically changed this game so you can't solo carry anymore because bad players kept complaining about it.
: Akali too, ever tried playing a normal toplane champion (not that ranged bs) against her? She has no real energy issues because every single ability gives her some back/procs passive and lets you harass melees even more. Every energy champion when I think about it, ever had a Kennen run out of energy?
Yeah but that's toplane. There are no toplaners to complain and those who are are shitty otps who shit on proper melee champs too. No wonder toplane is such a shithole with such stupid players. Meanwhile mages cry everyday all day until only mages are ever playable midlane and have the best items and everything. Same with ADCs. Look at tanks, least played class in the game still they get more attention than anything else from toplane just because they cry. Other toplaners are either silent or just cry about their shitty otp champions.
Ephixus (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=b0WApoV0,comment-id=000600010000,timestamp=2019-04-25T11:39:57.221+0000) > > Okay, I'm gonna ask you in a polite way if you have even readed what Lethality does, because what you just said doesn't make sense You are legit (removed by moderation) {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}} Do u understand that mages can't stack armor?
"mages can't stack armor" Literally build zhonyas, ninja tabis every game ending up with 130 armor+seraphs shield+800 AP+40% mpen+15 flat mpen and killing everyone in two spells. HMMMM. Don't forget the 45% cooldown in 15 mins.
: > [{quoted}](name=5StackUltOneShot,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=b0WApoV0,comment-id=0006000000010001000200000000,timestamp=2019-04-25T16:46:04.490+0000) > > Are fucking delusional or what? Do you know how badly tanks and juggernauts get raped at toplane by almost every other class in the game. Literally being any melee champions without a dash you instantly lose against any non-support ranged champions. But yah no we cry dont we fucking mage mains Best items in the game. Best runes in the game. Nothing is nerfed specifically for you. Strongest kits in the game. Most mobility in the game. But you know. “Muh melee” Point proven.
Nothing is nerfed. Ah. Hecarim instantly gutted when he becomes good. Camille shotgunned in the streets. Jarvan nerfed, rek sai nerfed. Yorick nerfed the instant he sees pro play. Aatrox. Urgot. Reworked, nerfed, gutted over and over. Irelia nerfed out of midlane so mage players don't cry. Meanwhile lissandra gets a slap on the wrist and actually buffed because her keystone that she abuses gets nerfed slightly. Man poor mages. Fuckin delusional bunch of words i cannot say here. Steraks gutted, tiamat gutted. Melees the only champions that have weird mechanics and minigames they need to play to make their kits function and get less value out of it than adcs or mages who press their buttons and get full value out of everything. Even "our" fuckin keystone needs you to play a minigame. You use a spell boom comet works. Same for aery, electrocute and other shit. Tiamat more expensive than lost chapter lmao. Huge chunk of AP, limitless mana, 10% CDR. Opposed to a bit of ad and a cleave active.
Ravenborn (EUNE)
: Since when is being melee in this game weakness?
Since being ranged has no downsides. Better and cheaper items. More dmg, more CC. Why do you think the only viable melees are cancer like irelia, akali, camille if she is not gutted. Rek sai, jarvan with lots of mobility.
Naalith (NA)
: For real, these champions are the Kai'sa and Irelia of last season where Riot just let them run around ruining everything for the entire year until they finally did something and called their changes a success. Hell, Kai'sa didn't even get changed we had to wait until Stormrazor was changed, and calling Irelia a "success" after waiting like 9 months for something to be done is just dumb.
Kai'sa is still the same as last year. Absolutely broken s+ tier. Atleast for soloQ.
: I don't main either of them (mildly play Vayne). I don't want either gutted. I don't want **any** champions gutted. It's not healthy for the game.
Yes it is. Both are dog shit designs that actually deserve reworks but general bias and favorism avoids even asking that question.
wolvius (EUW)
: Riot: Buuh buuh but our 50% winrate goal
Imagine a balance team that understands their game and not just looks at random numbers.
RaQqa (EUNE)
: {{champion:114}} better duelist than{{champion:24}} ?? xDD Jax literally wins vs everyone, who rely on AA. {{champion:114}} {{champion:164}} {{champion:58}} {{champion:122}} {{champion:240}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:23}} {{champion:86}} {{champion:41}} {{champion:5}} {{champion:19}} {{champion:48}} {{champion:120}}{{champion:8}} Just u have to understand the fact that jax can learn play vs these champions too, all he has to do is to have knowledge when to start trading with enemy, and in what moment use his E, he can win all these match ups, they are skill match ups. His worst matches are{{champion:92}}{{champion:126}}{{champion:69}} {{champion:34}} Other troublesome matches but less opressive : {{champion:2}} {{champion:6}} {{champion:266}} {{champion:75}} {{champion:85}} {{champion:80}} and thats literally all. If i am wrong correct me.
Gangplank murders jax. Hecarim destroys jax in his current form. Tryndamere hasn't been losing to jax for a loooong time. Grasp fiora beats jax kled destroys jax as well (well not anymore, he doesn't have a keystone anymore). Panth less opressive? Dafuq? Jax has if not completely overpowered a good matchup against riven and gets completely destroyed by kennen and pantheon unless you literally give up your entire lane and just try to scale. And while yes a lot of matchups toplane are INDEED a skill matchup for jax the moment he missplays once against decent players he gets steamrolled in lane and never finishes trinity until the game ends. People are just plain bad i know that from both sides as jax and against jax.But the burden lies on jax to play well and not the other way round. I never lost lane to a jax in the last two years unless he had the jungler in his pocket and then yes it gets frustrating when jax is ahead, jumps at you and just kill you and before the nerfs i might have agreed to some early game nerfs but riot nerfed especially his lategame these fuckin idiots.
: I don't think that's a good solution. Have you even looked at Riven's win rate in games under 25 minutes? https://champion.gg/champion/Riven/Top That's right, 49.07% Riven's win rate doesn't spike until late game, at 30+ minutes in, because she's an _item reliant champion_. Don't get me wrong, all champions need items, but Riven specifically needs items because she doesn't have great base damage on any of her abilities. Her passive is a percentage deal, which is based from her bonus AD, and all of her spells are also based on scalings more than her base damages. Riven is designed to specifically be a late game champion, and that's exactly why her win rate is always high. When Riven makes it to late game, she does what she's supposed to do. I personally can't understand why no one understands this. Riven's early game is terrible, people who are claiming otherwise are blaspheming because she has shit base damages, shit scaling, and the only good thing she has going for her is the mid range cooldown on her shield to help her survive in lane. The players who beat you out early on Riven are just better than you at the game. That's plain and simple. It wasn't because they had an overpowered champion, it was because they outplayed you or simply had more help from their team. Early match Riven is worse than almost every Top in the game in terms of base damage and scaling. She doesn't straight win 1v1, without having poked the enemy down or made some great decisions. Understanding what to do is a part of the game too, that's what most people on these boards can't comprehend. 99% of these players on the boards are all about that "fight me bro" mentality, run it down mid game play style, and can't comprehend how to deal with champions that counter that. That's precisely what Riven is good at. She's a champion designed to stall into mid and late game against aggressive champions that just want to fight you and kill you, which is what people don't like. At any rate, I'm just some noob who only plays ARAM's so my word doesn't mean much. I gave up on ranked in this game last year, so not sure how much I really care about what anyone on these boards thinks.
Yeah her base damage early is shit until you realize that every Q also has an auto in it. That is empowered by her passive. So 45 base Q (+135%AD according to the wiki correct me if i'm wrong)=45+113=158 base dmg Q Has 64 base AD lvl 1+10 long sword+10 from runes. So starts with 84 AD. 25% AD per passive. So +21 AD. 105 aa damage. 315+158=473 dmg. Is that something you'd call low base damage? Darius has 582 base health. HMMMMM Ofc those values are without taking armor into account that's true but still. Doesn't sound like low dmg if you can nearly 100-0 a juggernaut at lvl 1 in one Q combo. Let's compare that to darius and assume a long sword and runes. Darius OUTER Q lvl 1 deals 40 (+100% AD). Darius has the same base AD as riven lvl 1 so he is at 84. 124 dmg. Hum. Actually deals less dmg than riven. Yes darius Q heals him but rivens Q is three dashes+a knockup not so sure what's overall more valuable. You also have to consider that darius needs to hit you with outer Q to deal the dmg i stated unlike riven who just needs to be generally near your character. Wait, didn't i intially say she has good base dmg because of her autoattacks inbetween Qs? Wait, she actually deals more dmg with only her Q than a darius with only his Q. Strange. Shit base dmg i guess. Unless i fucked up somewhere in my math then please correct me i'd say rivens base dmg is actually really good and you are full of shit considering that riven also has a no counterplay combo with a stun, a knockup, a shield and a dash. But i guess being able to press the buttons that let you use rivens kit is "outplaying your opponent really hard" or "making great decisions" such as "let's press all my buttons off cooldown in the correct order and i win every trade because my opponent cannot fight back". And i mean it i'm really tired it's late here so maybe i fucked up or the wiki is outdated but if it's not than i hope people finally start to realize how absurd riven is and how *insert bad words* your comment actually is making all those claims debunked by reality. Ofc ofc darius wins in extented trades yadayada that's what he does.
FSRER (EUNE)
: Another AD assassin. Another masterpiece of Riot full retar.d video games. I really don't think we need another assassin like zed in league right now. How about you make a new toplaner, even better, a real juggernaut, instead of just saying "toplaners don't worry, we will rework 2 champions which are in need of rework for about 3 years so you don't turn against us". And if im right, the new assassin, will either, have stealth/execute/or a zed kit and when they release him we will have to wait for about 2 or 3 months because his kit will (because its a rito gems champion) 100% be overpowered and will be released to live servers without even being tested like others did. And about the morde and pantheon rework. I really doubt that their rework will actually be any good because let us not forget that Riot Games hasn't got a Toplaner on their live design team so, either these reworks will be overpowered failures or we might get lucky and get actually good overpowered reworks, chances 70/30
You think we are actually gonna getting another toplaner? The last one was camille/kled not sure which one was the last. Camille removed from the game and temporarily moved to the jungle. Heca gets nerfed out of top for no reason. Kled is shit ever since conq got removed because he just deals no dmg. Loses to lanebullies early and gets outscaled by everyone due to only flat dmg. Jungle still controls toplane. Shitty itemization, no rune, shitty overexpensive items. Nothing is done for toplane, absolutely nothing. Meanwhile half of the top ranks are adc mains spamming kai'sa and some irelia, akali abusers in the midlane. Only toplaner are jayce/vlad player. Riven for bwipo. And that's it. 50 ranks have two toplaners in it it is a fuckin joke. Riot hates toplane and melee champs they rather release an another enchanter the without a doubt worst class design in league. Zero skill, zero interaction, overpowered, pure statsticks for the ADC. Stand still press your button and serve as a 7/8/9th item slot for the adc. Such a dogshit class. But if it's not what people speculate it's some catgirl slut to print some $$$$ People should really give up on this shitgame.
: Isn't the point of mages to be good early to midgame but eventually get out scaled? .-. If they all scale fantastically into the late game as well because MR is gutted, then what is the point in playing any other class? They already have some of the best defensive itemization in the game; Zhonya's(which is something I would kill to have on an ADC), Banshee's, tons of AP+health items. And this is all on top of how many of them have huge range or good utility/cc. I feel like MR and mage powerspikes are exactly where they should be. If you feel they need more itemization fine but I'd rather their power spikes remain as they are. Like I said, why pick *any* other carry class if mages get to have self peel through both their itemization and kits, massive range, and tons of utility as well as ridiculous late game scaling and weaker MR itemization.
Mages still get played botlane sometimes in high elo, they get played top, mid and jungle (eve, evelynn, nidalee) but mages are super shit lategame and overall noone plays mages amirite guys. This fuckin mage circlejerk. No the fuckin adc, mage, tank circlejerk really ruins my day everyday.
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fqNab9fM,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-04-24T01:14:33.684+0000) > > So your solution to Vayne, riven etc, is. Can’t beat em, join em. Cool. Continue the flavor of the month band wagon. Not at all what I said, nice try though. I’m saying that playing a champion will teach you why they have their strength, their weaknesses, how to play against them and understand why they have what they have. I think Vayne is dumb and I think Riven is dumb because of Shojin, however I don’t play either of those champions and you can see that, so again, nice try.
Then why are u even talking on balance. Shojin is not the problem with riven. It's hilarious people still keep spreading that myth.
: Yeah, because the champ right now is straight dog. Who cares if pro perma bans him, they'll do it because he's good in competitive by R alone. Other than that, he practically sucks dick lol.
And high elo. But lemme guess you only care about iron 6 "balance"
Jamaree (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Fisher No Chains,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tPOwEUh0,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-04-23T09:44:36.302+0000) > > Considering her 15% playrate, I doubt she’s even that hard to succeed with right now. Why not play her then and confirm that then, or is this going to be one of those times where there is some excuse on why you won't try her? Or my other favorite excuse "on my diamond smurf, I have a 100% win rate over 100 games with her." times instead. Or is this a "I don't enjoy her playstyle, so I don't want to touch her." excuses instead?
Holy shit that 12yo argumentation is strong with you. Kai'sa is super busted rn still im not going to play adc because surprisingly i dont enjoy playing adc even if i got instant grandmaster.
DanaoIxUv (EUW)
: It would be better if they did nothing so they don't make the game worse than it already is They are damage buffing 7 runes on the PBE
I mean atleast riot is listening. Everyone is talking about dmg so riot thought "ahh more dmg is it that you want. We can do that!".
: Universal 2-second internal cooldown on conqueror stacks, done
Yes, how about just remove conq from the game then? It's already a trash keystone nobody wants.
: > [{quoted}](name=Shiroe Okazaki,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WjWNyIHg,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-04-23T04:14:53.624+0000) > > IMO jax is kind of dead top. He has very few winning match ups and heavily relies on jg help until late game Dead to what, ? He still top tier
Yes in a world of jayce, vlad, kennen jax is definitely top tier.
: Ranged is picked to crap on the melee lanebullies though, at least that was my impression.
Not really. You can freely pick ryze and vlad. Who can stop them? Aatrox can handle vlad maybe. But then vlad gets the jungler and you got outscaled once vlad gets his hands on kindlegem. Because lategame hypercarry teamfight aoe mage assassin draintank ap bruiser. So your only options against vlad, ryze, kennen top are other ranged champions. Either one of the three against each other or jayce.
BigFBear (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=GayFluffyUnicorn,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oA1A4iNG,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-04-18T06:40:16.319+0000) > > Casually scrolling through the topladder of EUW. Out of 20 people we have 2 junglers, several adc mains, one support, and several mid mains. > The first toplaner is satorius at rank 36. The rest is adc and mid mains. With a support and jungler sprinkled here and there. > > Satorius most played champ is jayce. > Jayce, some vlad, some ryze and a boris game here and there. > 46 is the next toplaner. Most played champ irelia who is just busted cuz most of the midlane mains are irelia players too. Then comes bwipo at 54 the first to play an actual conqueror champ but not a bruiser who plays riven. > > According to boards toplane is the most busted role and conq is super op and everyone plays toplane and super conq toplaners cuz they are all super mega busted. According to boards bruiser meta for 2 years now. So you can make up your own mind. You either rely on toplane players who tell u how useless and shit toplane actual is to play or you listen to low elo boards user who get stomped by conq vladimir in silver 6 and claim that conq is just super op and so are bruisers. > > When you have like 20 ADC mains before the first toplane main. And he doesn't even play a bruiser. When you have three toplane mains in 55 spots of 5 roles. If every role has equal chances to carry you expect it to be atleast 10 toplane mains. We are talking about the best players on the server who use every advantage they can get because the skill level between them is very narrow yet you have five times and more adc and mid mains. HM. No on on boards said that Toplane is op and Bruisers are busted. The ones who complain are other toplaner who get fucked from the only few viable/op toplaners: Jax, Kayle, Riven, Heca or/and from Conqueror. Ofc there are many frustrated people in a lane when there are only a handful champs who dominate this lane. I would be pissed too if only 4 Junglers would shit on every other Jungler.
Literally scroll through the comments in the top posts. Everyday you have a conq post. Everywhere in the comments you read "bruser op". "bruser meta".
: Apparently you have been playing for 8 years but don't know how to counterplay. Just be aware of creep positions when you want to trade with him and his rage bar. Rage bar down? trade all day? creeps in a bad spot for him to double dash and get away? Trade all day.
Renekton is so hilariously overstatted he doesn't even need his ragebar anymore to outtrade most toplaners. Source: own experience this season.
: The champs individually have to be so powerful because ultimately botlane works of a 1+1 combo which results in them being stronger than any other lane else by default when playing well together and not being countered. Champs in the other lanes can still be insanely OP but botlane will just pump put something like the recent Sona+Taric thing and kill everyone else with combo synergy. Well similarly other lanes can do stuff like that funnel strategy for midlane/toplane+jungle that ....i think Cowsep? Likes to run. LIke one could buff say {{champion:39}} or {{champion:238}} to be able to kill any marksman in a near instant combo, wont actually do squat because the {{champion:117}} {{champion:12}} {{champion:412}} or {{champion:53}} will just instantly hit their CC and stuncombo the attacker to death with the marksman. Except when the attacker has taric/lulu protection and just does not die. So the most powerful picks for dou&soloq is marksman+support, because when they work together it takes a damn lot to stop them as they are now, followed by funnel strategies and high snowballers that just instakill the target before anyone knows. Its kind off a case of curing poison A to realize there is still poison B,C and D left.
Well yeah the game is so shit because of botlane. All the powercreep all that bullshit because of adcs/supports. I'm way too tired right now to go into detail tbh. Last season was perfect. ADCs were still good and playable just not batshit broken OP. All we needed was to tone down mages. But nope.
: But they were not above Toplaners some months ago
Yes, they were. You can claim it as much as you want, top ranks were still filled with kai'sa and especially lucian players. Even when adcs were "unplayable". Korea especially. Because koreans just picked kai'sa and lucian and got freelo as always while euw and NA cried and cried and benched themselves because they can only play one champion. And the big difference is whzat does it matter "some months ago" adcs are back were they were the last five years. At the top forever and ever the only class 100% mandatory every game on every team. Where is toplane now? The same as a year before. Great.
YUUKI VK (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=GayFluffyUnicorn,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oA1A4iNG,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-04-18T06:40:16.319+0000) > > Casually scrolling through the topladder of EUW. Out of 20 people we have 2 junglers, several adc mains, one support, and several mid mains. > The first toplaner is satorius at rank 36. The rest is adc and mid mains. With a support and jungler sprinkled here and there. > > Satorius most played champ is jayce. > Jayce, some vlad, some ryze and a boris game here and there. > 46 is the next toplaner. Most played champ irelia who is just busted cuz most of the midlane mains are irelia players too. Then comes bwipo at 54 the first to play an actual conqueror champ but not a bruiser who plays riven. > > According to boards toplane is the most busted role and conq is super op and everyone plays toplane and super conq toplaners cuz they are all super mega busted. According to boards bruiser meta for 2 years now. So you can make up your own mind. You either rely on toplane players who tell u how useless and shit toplane actual is to play or you listen to low elo boards user who get stomped by conq vladimir in silver 6 and claim that conq is just super op and so are bruisers. > > When you have like 20 ADC mains before the first toplane main. And he doesn't even play a bruiser. When you have three toplane mains in 55 spots of 5 roles. If every role has equal chances to carry you expect it to be atleast 10 toplane mains. We are talking about the best players on the server who use every advantage they can get because the skill level between them is very narrow yet you have five times and more adc and mid mains. HM. the rune is not op at all, a select few champs are total horseshit to begin with and make it seem like an op rune
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: Top lane status
Casually scrolling through the topladder of EUW. Out of 20 people we have 2 junglers, several adc mains, one support, and several mid mains. The first toplaner is satorius at rank 36. The rest is adc and mid mains. With a support and jungler sprinkled here and there. Satorius most played champ is jayce. Jayce, some vlad, some ryze and a boris game here and there. 46 is the next toplaner. Most played champ irelia who is just busted cuz most of the midlane mains are irelia players too. Then comes bwipo at 54 the first to play an actual conqueror champ but not a bruiser who plays riven. According to boards toplane is the most busted role and conq is super op and everyone plays toplane and super conq toplaners cuz they are all super mega busted. According to boards bruiser meta for 2 years now. So you can make up your own mind. You either rely on toplane players who tell u how useless and shit toplane actual is to play or you listen to low elo boards user who get stomped by conq vladimir in silver 6 and claim that conq is just super op and so are bruisers. When you have like 20 ADC mains before the first toplane main. And he doesn't even play a bruiser. When you have three toplane mains in 55 spots of 5 roles. If every role has equal chances to carry you expect it to be atleast 10 toplane mains. We are talking about the best players on the server who use every advantage they can get because the skill level between them is very narrow yet you have five times and more adc and mid mains. HM.
: I mean riot has dumped on top lane so hard its literally the least played role in the game now. If they didn't care before when the role was popular why would they care now? (2nd most powerful role less popular then support, but everything is perfectly fine!)
Toplane is so powerful the highest ranked toplaner is rank 25 with 7 adc mains above him. Man what a powerful and busted role. Edit: And the guy isn't playing conq champs.
stoyo8 (NA)
: yorick destroys darius.
I really don't like doing this but whenever i read such a post and see a silver 3 adc main talking about toplane because he inted a few games on yorick i just don't think it's worth even responding to the thread.
: > [{quoted}](name=Kitsune Kawaii,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0xYremk8,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-17T09:33:30.853+0000) > > Boards believe Tanks are a in a bad spot and a gutted class > Simply because tanks got low pick rate and everyone picking carries because they don't wanna depen on someone else to win . > > Just wait until Tanks are buffed and hear the " Tanks are op " cries . Are you assuming that it is the same people that will be crying about tanks? That is pretty stupid. A safer assumption would be that the people who hate tanks will start speaking up more often. Tanks ARE in a bad spot right now. Statistically AND practically. When Riven has more survivability than a tank by building full damage, it is time to start considering whether or not there is even a point in having tanks in the game at all. Riven isn't the only one... Jax, Irelia, Aatrox, and a lot more that I don't feel like naming right now have MORE survivability, more mobility, comparable CC, and any damage at all. But wait!! Nunu is doing well so we must be in a tank meta right?!? What a joke. Out of the top 30 champions in the Top lane, Only 4 of them are tanks. {{champion:14}} {{champion:54}} {{champion:31}} {{champion:78}} Sion is near troll pick status. He is a support in the top lane. Malphite is a troll pick if you first pick it. Poppy's counters are way too impactful to be worthy of first picking. Cho'gath is probably the only one that is on the safeish side to first pick. Top lane is dominated by Fighters and Bruisers right now. Ranged champions and mages are also outperforming tanks. Not a single Tank in the game is performing as well as Vayne top.... Isn't she supposed to be an ADC!? There are 18 champions in the top 30 who are bruisers and fighters. There are even more Marksman than Tanks in the Top Lane with 4 champions. There is nearly an equal number of mages in the top 30 to tanks at 3 champions. In the Jungle role, there are only 3 Tanks in the top 30. {{champion:32}} {{champion:33}} {{champion:20}} Jungle is dominated by the same type of champions as the Top lane is. Fighters and Bruisers. Less bruisers here. In the Support role, there aren't even really 30 practical champions to choose from. However, the only ones with 49% and above win rates are {{champion:89}} and {{champion:53}} We are NO WHERE NEAR a tank meta. Even the tank metas in the past could be considered an "everything" meta because way more champions were viable than just tanks in every role if you look at all of the old statistics and tier lists. Even in the Cinderhulk meta, there was only one tank that was considered "god tier" in the Top Lane with Fiora and Irelia being dominant back then. The "Tank meta" that all of the tank haters hated, enabled the game to have the most variety in every role. Comps were allowed a lot more room for creativity and innovation. Top of the food chain analysts also agree with this sentiment. Now if you attempt to innovate, you die in .25 seconds by a caster minion running Conqueror.
Yes how much variety we had just last season and the season before. Seju, zac jungle. Alistar, tahm, braum botlane. Mao, cho, ornn toplane. Galio/sion mid. That's all we saw. How much variety. You could choose between 8 different CC bots. What a game play.
Antenora (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Doctor Liber,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8uNceXKp,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-04-15T09:38:38.941+0000) > > Bro when you have to complain about something, bring some facts and make sure you have sources. > Crawling on https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/vayne/diamond ( which is a site that I find very reliable ) , checking different elos, you can see that she never gets to 52.10%, which, however, I think is a rather approximate value. > It's annoying to play against her ( and this is the only reason why she has such an high ban rate), but she is not a win condition champion. > If you look properly at the stats from the site I linked, you can see that her popularity and banrate fall and rise every single year for 2 to 4 months, she had an higher ban rate last year than it is now. Her winrate throughout the 2018 has been lower than 50%, was it okay ? > I did something like 2000 games with Vayne, and you can't imagine how frustrating it is to be instaflamed when you try to pick her in a Diamond elo Ranked game when she is not "meta" , then for about nine months a year, and that I have to be blamed for the rest of the game if I die once cause "useless champion". > All these guys that now are complaining about Vayne are the same guys that flamed me when I picked her and she had a 46% winrate. > > Vayne needs to have her Q CD reset reverted, but you need to stop arguing every day without bringing some fact. > > Have a nice day. According to Riot Repertoir.... Vayne's win rate in Average and skilled Elo (Up to Gold 1 for Average and Plat to Master for skilled play.) was 51.4% in 9.6 Vayne's win rate in Elite Play (Master, Grandmaster and Challenger) was 51.9%.   A very small nerf to BoTRK's cost on the PBE I believe will probably knock 0.2% off Vayne's win rate.
Does the bork nerf make her not tumble stealth every 0,5 seconds? Cuz if the bork nerf doesn't do that than it is not a nerf. She got MASSIVE kit power for no reason which needs to be removed. Because she does not need it. Even further, vayne should be poppy'd until a rework. Because this champions design is so utterly stupid and broken it makes no sense to ever make her good. But she is not a melee champion so she just gets a free pass. Edit: To clarifly, she got a MASSIVE buff to her kits power.
: She's only really taking Klepto because the M.O. for 90% of matchups is play safe, be happy with your 20+ CS deficit, and hope you drop a lot of gold bags to make up for lost gold.
Not even true. I just played the kayle matchup as heca vs kayle she can trade VERY well into me as early as around lvl 5/6. In an all in she loses due to the insane healing i put out but other than that kayle's early is plenty strong.
LTK KoRo (EUW)
: "hecarim is badly designed bruiser because he can threaten me"-adc mains, probably
Pretty much this+salty toplaners who unfortunately play underpowered champs. Every bruiser should be around heca top lvl as he is right now, maybe slightly nerfed in the healing department but he and riven are the only ones that can actually carry a game and whenever this happens community loses their shit. Despite every other position having champs that can easily 1v9 once they get fed. That said i believe heca in his current toplane trinity+tank iteration is among the most healthy designed bruisers.
Saianna (EUNE)
: damage has always scaled better than tank stats. Always. Tank meta didn't break that either. It just put tank stats closer to value of damage stats.
Ofc it did when no other class but lategame hypercarry ADCs are viable because tanks are unkillable and untradeable for everyone else.
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