: This is just what kids want. Any veteran gamer would know a good defence is a good offence aswell but the community in ALL games has been infested by kids playing games above their age level. Just like GTA any normal gamer would know they get ripped off with shark cards.. kids don't care Parents pay. CoD any gamer know that supply drops rip you off kids dont care poppa pay. EA with microtransactions they don't care half the community has others pay for it. (Another example of damage creep is similar to a specialist in CoD:Bo3 Battery. One option has her with an active armor that sucks up at least 2-3 hits the other gives a grenade launcher that is only good vs campers. Guess which one is popular? Yeh the launcher guess which one the pro players use? The armor.) Take League now. Game is a shitty mess kids don't care they think they deserve to climb without improving and they think that the rigged matchmaking is just bad luck. It is not i have personally tested it for years with new accounts since i had access to an extreme ammount of accounts even legally and not. Promo is rigged. I used to be a masters level player at my prime peaking at 100lp masters playing vs mid range challengers (500-600LP players) wasnt doing spectacular but held my own and carried via macro.Whne i smurfed in gold/plat had 95%+ winrate but one thing was always certain promos would always be harder than actual high elo games and half of them had RQ's. System is rigged aswell. Every winstreak equals a losestreak. My old premade is currently plat 5 with diamond 3 mmr and he had 100% winrate for 2 days straight he got nonstop inters and dropped and entire 30% winrate he was making a joke about it with me on facebook. Inters are not punished for the sake of keepign the grind going.Intentional feeders rarely get punished this was tested in SEASON 6 during SEPTEMBER where i INTENTIONALLY LOST a total ammount of 30 games in a row without a single punishment and i had clear signs of griefing in all my games ( yeh i was a dick ).Inters are kept (besides the extreme ones of running under tower constantly) so people will grind more game to climb to their wanted division. Meanwhile people who get fed up get banned because it drives away the soft hearted community. Clear sign of it was a Soraka wintrading on STREAM in a tyler 1 video AND another example on MIDBEAST stream a few days ago i think.
"That's what the kids want" "Veteran gamer" Quality way to start a dialogue. Instantly render people who disagree with you on what makes a game fun as "kids".
heroikc (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=potchiker,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qlkAhYBu,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-06-19T05:16:37.404+0000) > > Why are people downvoting this? No doubt because they are mindless one-tricks and braindead no skill assassins who revel in snowballing.
I see nothing wrong with people who revel in snowballing. If you allow someone to snowball early then that's your own fault for sucking at the game. It's much better than the game becoming "Lol, remember when you dumpstered me in the 1v1 early game? Well I guess i'm gonna outscale you now, LOL OUT PLAYED"
potchiker (EUW)
: New adc picks
Really? Still cruising through SoloQ on Ezreal/Kaisa and having a blast doing so
: {{champion:110}} _Laughs in Varus after hearing about the upcoming Kai'Sa nerfs_ ######jk
Wait what other nerfs is she getting besides indirect nerfs from Guinsoos changes? _cries in Kaisa_
Lost R (NA)
: Why are you complaining? This is exactly what you wanted.
Anatera (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=ZJD123,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0AbdlL7N,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-06-11T22:05:24.382+0000) > > "if you pick zed you're asking to lose and you're trolling" > > But according to gameplay boards zed is super OP unbeatable insane laning phase champion? > > :thinking: Don't act stupid. What works for pros doesn't always work for the average player.
The average League player doesn't know shit about the game and should not have a say on what needs to be balanced.
Slythion (NA)
: probably because the game is a little bit different between top 10 players in the world and a bunch of silvers. I'm not saying Zed is or isn't OP (personally I don't think he's that bad rn), I just want to point out that Dopa is playing a vastly different game than the majority of players on the boards edit: If you're going to downvote, please let me know why lol. What part of this do you disagree with?
Maybe Riot shouldn't balance the game around players who have no idea what they're talking about then?
Naymliss (NA)
: Maybe in the peak of cn or kr challenger that's true, but in any elo besides high elo assassins will always be strong due to teammates not reacting to roams, so the posts aren't exactly wrong.
The posts are wrong, Zed is not OP unless you're bad at the game (low elo). So yea, they're absolutely wrong
FireDrizzle (EUNE)
: Towers are reducing toplanes importance
* When I miss a cs, it reduces top lanes importance * When I die 1v1 in top lane it reduces top lanes importance * When I ignore the plethora of top lane champions with great win rates in favor of my 22% win rate Riven, it reduces top lanes importance * When I keep pubstomping the top lane Singed in lane and refuse to match his TP plays which in effect result in the other lanes snowballing in his favor, it reduces top lanes importance * When I play like shit and I need something to blame, I** reduce top lanes importance**
Rioter Comments
Sovekz (EUNE)
: Support were OP beyond measure, they could heal you and shield the fuck out of you, better blame adcs. I can imagine support players got triggered when their shield bullshit got nerfed on the pbe, which BTW isn't enough.
: irelia is disgustingly overpowered and hasn't been nerfed yet because..?
iTaLenTZ (EUW)
: FYI: Critbased adc's are still the best lategame scaling champs and therefore shouldn't be buffed
Shocker to see that OP is a top/support main. Yea, Crit ADCs might be the strongest late game but guess what, when games are over by 20-25 minutes then that shit doesn't mean anything now, does it? It's fine though, i'll keep spamming Kaisa and Ezreal for the freelo while Rito keeps nerfing 47% win rate Crit ADCs. LUL
: When are we going to deal address this?
Address what exactly? What about Ezreal do you think is OP? That winrate/pickrate is only for Korea and Korea has always loved Ezreal and done well with him.
Rioter Comments
: That's the only real counterplay Yas has.
: agreed, rito needs to gut yasuo so that this game does become the right game for most of the playerbase
But most people find Yasuo completely fine. it's only the vocal minority on this board who bitch about everything (and are ironically the only people who think the jungle changes are "healthy") that complain. I.E - Silver stuck shitters
: I love the "Master Yi is OP" posts LOL
That's the point, everything seems OP to shit players
Áery (NA)
: Nerfing health regen on ADCs
Or how about we just nerf the main problem in the bot lane, which are the supports?
: The Question of the Ages: Is Yasuo OP?
Not even close to it. Not unless you're playing Bronze/Silver. No metric out there supports the notion that he's OP, his win rate is sub 50%, his pick rate in competitive is non existent pretty much, high elo players consider him junk status compared to other mid/top laners and he's all around, way to skill reliant to ever be outright OP. Yassuo right now (one of the better Yasuo players), also considers him pretty shit right now.
Rioter Comments
: ADC main. Yes adcs are pretty busted right now. If I fuck up it usually causes my team a major hit. I love playing champs like Kai'sa and Miss Fortune, but I can't take the pressure. I've taken a break from League as I feel too overwhelmed playing it at the moment. I don't know about Zed and Yasuo. I get annoyed at them both but I don't know if they're overpowered. EDIT: I realized what I said at the start was off. What I mean by when I fuck up is if I die to the enemy adc and they get a lead.
You haven't provided a single explanation as to why or how ADCs specifically are busted.
: The balance team is not comprised of individuals who know how to balance the game.
I'm sure the <removed by moderation> that make up the majority of this board would balance the game much more effectively.
T3T (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=GinormousVner,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8JeRGr0g,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-04-20T18:24:06.538+0000) > > Zed isn&#x27;t busted and ADCs aren&#x27;t busted. > > Not until you explicitly explain how. Well I don't want to get too deep into it. But Riot has admitted that ADCs are too strong right now, which is why they're changing up bot lane in the midseason patch. Zed may be too strong as his W Q combo can do more damage than the average ult too early. Yasuo as I said is in an odd place. I have him mastery 6 and have played him a decent amount and can solidly say he's likely too strong due to conqueror. He feels like he outtrades anyone in lane unless you screw up right now.
> But Riot has admitted that ADCs are too strong right now Source needed. >Zed may be too strong as his W Q combo can do more damage than the average ult too early. Neither of those are true and his Q is a skill shot. Add to that how negated his entire kit is the moment you buy Armor or have a comp built around tanks and he's perfectly balanced. >He feels like he outtrades anyone in lane unless you screw up right now. Yasuo definitely doesn't out trade anyone in lane. Try him vs Nasus top and tell me he wins lane. Malz also countered him hard in mid (unless somethings changed, haven't played Malz into Yasuo in a while).
: And your trash criticism is based on what exactly? Some random "pro" match you saw where there was Zed/Yasuo/Vayne that didn't go legendary in the first five minutes? Well, I guess that proves those champs are fine then. The millions of players who think otherwise must all be wrong then.
I literally haven't leveled any criticism towards the game, I think it's extremely balanced right now, moreso than any season before it. >The millions of players who think otherwise must all be wrong then. The millions of players know significantly less than the pros who dedicate their whole lives to this game, yes. The vast majority of players are in Silver elo. So if they don't know how to deal with Zed when literally everyone from Plat and above do, then that's their own lack of game knowledge/skill level at fault and something they themselves need to work on rather than crying for nerfs whenever they get stomped by a better player who happened to pick Zed. And besides, how can you even back up your claim that "millions of players think otherwise"? What source are you getting your figures from? Has there been a poll, polling millions of players on Zed right now that i've missed?
T3T (NA)
: Zed is in a spot where he may be too strong or may be too weak. Currently from my point of view, the Zed changes made him too strong. Yasuo is in a weird spot right now. He feels more overloaded then usual but I haven't played against him enough to know but he does feel strong to play as at the moment. I haven't seen any threads condemning Vayne, but adcs in general are busted right now. Vayne is just among the pool.
Zed isn't busted and ADCs aren't busted. Not until you explicitly explain how.
Rioter Comments
: This game is in such a poor state
I unironically think the game is at the healthiest it's ever been
: Anyone else a bit tired of seing threads on boards always mentioning that ADC's need nerfs?
It's a bunch of hardstuck silver top laners who never make TP plays and get butthurt when the enemy jungler/top lane snowballs bottom. That's literally all this board has devolved into. "DUDE, I WENT 4/1 AND STILL LOST THE GAME DESPITE HAVING ZERO MAP PRESSURE. HASHINSHIN WAS RIGHT, TOP LANE SUCKS"
Eedat (NA)
: People should stop saying the Devs dont communicate with us if.....
I unironically am glad that the developers don't communicate with this cesspool of a board. I still haven't seen a single thread of substance. Every thread is literally "WAAAAAAAH, WHY DID A 9/0 ADC MELT ME WHEN I'M A 0/4 MAGE". It's absolute cringe
ZJD123 (NA)
: "season 6 was hard for ADC mains" haahahahhahaahahaahahahaahhahahha o man had to let that 1 out. Yea, reddit really is a bunch of ADC mains i guess.
Well, it balances out considering this board is nothing but hard stuck silver top laners.
Rioter Comments
: So, they wanna fuck over mage, because they've been to dominant... Well, let's hope those bot lane changes they keep talking about shove adcs out of bot lane. Would be fun to not have a two item ad wrecking everyone with auto attacks.
>Would be fun to not have a two item ad wrecking everyone with auto attacks. Name a single ADC with 2 items that can 1v1 a 2 item Swain/Leblanc/Katarina in mid or 2 item Nasus/GP/Jax in top. Go on, i'll wait. Fucking sick of this boards hate boner over ADCs
: RIOT ADC's needs gutting not MAGES
Really curious as to how Mid/Top feel awful. I'm seeing this constantly said on this shitshow of a board infested by low elo players who unironically think Zed is busted, but to me, Mid/Top are completely healthy right now and most high elo players agree. They have THE best carry potential out of the roles in Solo Q through direct summoner spells like TP players and roams. ADC's dont have that and never have. Are you implying that you can't solo carry with katarina/trynda/Darius/Fiora/Camille/Swain/Vlad/etc etc mid/top lane champions? Or global champions like Pantheon top or Galio/Ryze mid? Because if you can't, then maybe you need to admit that you can't carry at all.
archerno1 (EUNE)
: So what SHOULD be viable top?
: It’s unhealthy when Mid is dominated by one class of champions
Oh look! A stealth "bash ADCs" thread! Who woulda saw that coming!
: It's actually Attack Damage Carry, and mages with ability power don't have anywhere near that same threat level. Also, i agree that while a fed *MARKSMAN* should be able to end a game while properly supported, the same should be true for *any and every* other class in the game, and that's just not a thing. It's also the reason why it's obvious marksmen are so bloody busted, they can easily be made to bring an end to games where practically everyone else struggles bringing a conclusion.
>and mages with ability power don't have anywhere near that same threat level. How can you say that with Swain/Vlad existing?
Ernie (NA)
: I refuse to believe that this balance team is going to commit to fixing ADC's
Another day and another thread bashing ADCs. Also, seeing as you're generalising everyone who plays ADCs as "power hungry psychos", i'll just return generalise everybody wh obitches on ADCs as hardstuck top lane losers who are mad that they can no longer 1v5 as Jax anymore - aka Hashinshin
: Yeah but the enemy team has just the same chance to get relatively good/bad players, and a "good" player is only good because they are more useful than their opposing laner
>"Yeah but the enemy team has just the same chance" They might have the same chance in terms of probability but that doesn't always equal reality.
Rioter Comments
: ***
The sad thing is that this is true. RIot cares more about punishing people for saying "mean things" that can be muted anyway, as opposed to outright ruining games. Why even bother telling your feeding ADC to stop playing like shit and improve his bronze tier csing when I can just say "fuck it" and AFK farm jungle as my base gets torn up and spam ping the ADC whenever he dies with zero punishment. The former is punishable whereas the latter is significantly more tilting and literally never gets punished. Good thing i've never done this {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
k wìx (NA)
: So first off - I feel like there is some truth to your words and players tend to think the past is better than the present in almost all things. But I hardly think there was ever a player who thinks there was a specific time when league was 'perfect'. I think most players complain about very specific things that have spun out of control on the balance front over the years. I'll list them for you below, and you already know what they are because EVERYONE currently knows what they are. **1.) One player can lose you the game, but one player cannot carry the game. ** Basically the concept that over the last few seasons, league has become more 'team-focused' and 'team-driven' game. A lot of changes have made it MUCH harder to solo-carry come late game. This is said and believed at almost every tier of play, even the very top. Riot needs to find a better way to reward skill in games. **2.) Game length has become too short - Things are too snowbally ** There are lots of data points showing how the game has just gotten shorter and shorter. While I personally do not mind the length of games, It IS something that has changed over time, and I can easily see how that feeds into the snowbally meta we're currently in. The time to recover a game and the TOOLS to recover a game have been diminished greatly over the last 2 seasons, and it shows. **3.) Botlane meta** Now, I'm a support main so I generally don't mind the botlane being the focus of games, but supports have changed SO MUCH over the last few seasons, it's like a completely different class. This has given them substantial power in leagues lifespan and led to some interesting new problems. One is that Supports just have more agency in the game. This means botlane has a bigger focus on who can win than before. So I can definitely understand why a top laner would HATE that change. As a support, I can fuck a tops life up if I get even 1 or 2 kills. You go back 2 seasons, No fucking way. I had to run. And that leads me to my next point... **4.) ADCs being unkillable / Burst being survivable for squishies** When supports are played at a high level, they can make a carry straight up unkillable. This has led to many players thinking ADCS need to be dumpstered, and while I think the other roles need to be given more agency come late game, I don't think its the right move to nerf ADCs completely. But my point is that if you go back 2 seasons, Supports didn't have the tools to stop all-in burst playmaking. They ABSOLUTELY do now, and that has created some really shitty balancing scenarios. I think the solution here is (as I said above) mages / tops / jungles need to have more power come late game, across the board. I could honestly go on, but I won't - Towers are another point, mobility creep is another, you have pro-play impacting balance more, Runes Reforged is worth a mention, and though this one isn't talked about so much, I think its a huge problem league has right now: Crowd Control creep. Because ADCS can't be all in'd .. the biggest value you can bring then becomes the ability to control them long enough to blow through the healing, so CC is arguably one of the strongest tools in the game right now. It wasn't 2 seasons ago.
>1.) One player can lose you the game, but one player cannot carry the game. " That's just not true in most cases. Team composition, player skill levels and many other factors make this claim impossible to make or argue. One shit player on your team will not matter if the other 4 players are good if the enemy team is filled with 5 average players. Or another more specific example is this: An extremely underperforming Maokai in top lane will simply not severely impact/compromise a game with a Sejuani/Orianna/Lulu/Kog'Maw composition if the Kog'Maw is doing well. So I just don't believe this claim and until I see anyone actually explain how they can come to that conclusion, I will never believe it. There's just way to many variables at play for this claim to even be taken seriously. >2.) Game length has become too short - Things are too snowbally And I would argue that this isn't a problem. 50+ minute games where people do nothing but AFK farm under their turret is the most boring and monotonous gameplay i've seen. Seeing the enemy team take first turret because one of your lanes is underpeforming gives your team an incentive to wake the fuck up and work as a team and start making plays and counterplays instead of this boring passive garbage that we saw during the Relic Shield meta. >3.) Botlane meta 2 player lane. The game will always be botlane centred as long as 2 players remain in that lane and I genuinely cannot think of a time when it hasn't been this way. If bot lane gets ahead then that's 2 players up and 2 players down. No other lane has that much impact and it's been that way as long as I can remember. Dunno why it's only seen as a problem now. >As a support, I can fuck a tops life up if I get even 1 or 2 kills. You go back 2 seasons, No fucking way. I had to run. And that leads me to my next point... This is just untrue as well. Go watch Tyler1's older streams during Season 6. Shit, watch his streams now and listen to what he's bitching about. HE's bitching about his inability to 1v4 as Draven like he used to DURING Season 5 and 6. Here's a video of him during Season 6 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynItRUG8LFk Good luck telling me the point that Tyler just had to "run" if he saw a top laner. Know what the funniest thing is anyway? The fact that this is actually true for right now. Me, a 7/2 Caitlyn will have to run away if I see a 0/3 Illaoi in top lane, even if my Support is with me. Never mind an equally fed Camille/Vlad/Swain/Tryndamere This is just good old revisionism at work here and the watching any ADC Season 5/4 stream, will remind you just how wrong you are about this. >4.) ADCs being unkillable / Burst being survivable for squishies I 100% do not agree with this. >When supports are played at a high level, they can make a carry straight up unkillable That's just not true, lmao. Where are you getting that info from? Go watch Imaqtpie/Tyler1/Gosu/any ADC mains stream in high elo and tell me how you can possibly argue this. Imaqtpie/Gosu can't even break Challengers right now because they are getting dumpstered so much, lmao. >But my point is that if you go back 2 seasons, Supports didn't have the tools to stop all-in burst playmaking. Lulu? And anyway, they still don't have this capability that you're claiming they have. The only support I can think off with that capability is something like a Tahm Kench. If you dive on an ADC as a Talon/Diana/Zed, then he's usually dead. Especially at higher elo where their all ins are likely to be better executed. Of all your claims, this is the strangest one to me. The Ardent Censer meta is the only time this was remotely true. In fact, if this were true then why were Ezreal/Tristana considered so cancerous? If every ADC is already unkillable, why even bother with Ezreal for his "safety" at all when he drops off way to hard compared to someone like a Caitlyn? Why not just go Draven who is a beast early, snowbally and by your own omission, "can be made unkillable"? Why waste time on "safe" ADCs at all when all of them can be made unkillable anyways?
: > [{quoted}](name=GinormousVner,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OnUblIj0,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-04-14T12:08:09.782+0000) > > I 100% do not think Zed is overtuned and he hasn&#x27;t been for a while. > > Do you really view 51% win rate with a 9% pick rate as overtuned? There are so many things that completely nullify him (armor/Zhonyas/Stop watch etc) and that&#x27;s exactly why he&#x27;s entirely irrelevant on the pro scene and even at higher elos. > > Twisted Fate has a 51% win rate with a 16% Pick Rate on OP.GG, do you view him as overtuned too? I assume not. > > EDIT - I noticed you&#x27;re an ADC/Varus main. Now I know why you might think he&#x27;s overtuned. Fun fact, his job is to pretty much delete you. its not only win rate he is TOP TIER FIRST MID and his ult is like half zhonya cd btw tf is 2 or 3 in top tier so
Wtf are you talking about "Top tier First mid"? http://euw.op.gg/champion/statistics Zed/Twisted Fate/Fizz/Yasuo are all in tier 1. So what are you even saying?
: Not the point here, this one game (since you looked up my match history) I played {{champion:99}} Mid with {{summoner:21}} and bought {{item:3157}} early. Even without his death mark, his 2 Shadows with tripple Q was enough to finish me after I was out of Zhonia's untargetability. Btw, Barrier gives a 455 shield + on top of that Lux's W gives 110 at rank 5. He may take "skill" as some say, but his damage is too rewarding. I'm considering just taking {{summoner:3}} next time since barrier seems to be quite useless from many games on other accounts where I took barrier when I played mid.
He just has way to many options to counterplay him for me to consider him OP. He's an Assassin, he's meant to 100-0 squishies. He absolutely can't do jack shit in team fights with proper placement. If you're talking about an overly fed Zed, then that's a different story as every champion is a nightmare when fed. Only this community can think champions that are actually pretty shit like Zed/Yasuo are "OP" or "overtuned" when every other high elo player/pro player thinks that they're complete garbage. If this board is going to accuse Zed (of all champions) of being "Overtuned", then all I can do is pray that Riot doesn't listen to this community.
: You don't think Zed is overtuned? Tier 1 champion with 51.52% Winrate, last patch (V8.6) he was at a 49.75% Winrate. https://i.imgur.com/VtNUitD.png
I 100% do not think Zed is overtuned and he hasn't been for a while. Do you really view 51% win rate with a 9% pick rate as overtuned? There are so many things that completely nullify him (armor/Zhonyas/Stop watch etc) and that's exactly why he's entirely irrelevant on the pro scene and even at higher elos. Twisted Fate has a 51% win rate with a 16% Pick Rate on OP.GG, do you view him as overtuned too? I assume not. EDIT - I noticed you're an ADC/Varus main. Now I know why you might think he's overtuned. Fun fact, his job is to pretty much delete you.
Void2258 (NA)
: Why I'm Quitting
Salson (EUNE)
: That's because an Adc doesn't get to decide if he wins lane or not, his Junger does. Then the Jungler feels like shit because he can't carry, he can just snowball his Adc to carry him. Solo lanes feel like glorified side characters. It's 'teamwork' in it's worst form. Instead of a team being a sum of strong individuals formed into a stronger whole, it feels like a bunch of cripples. One can see, one can hear, one can walk.....and then they try to not fall of a cliff while riding a monocycle. The team who falls because someone failed to do their job looses.
Ths is a garbage comment with no substance behind its claims What lane is "useless" right now exactly? Are you telling me a top lane Sion/Cho Gath isn't a monster? A top lane Darius/Fiora/Jax who crushes lane? A top lane GP/Vladimir who comes online and can't carry? A mid lane Zed/Talon/Kass can't assassinate? A mid lane mage like Cass/Orianna/Vlad/Fizz can't carry the game? Mid lane melee champions like Ekko/Yasuo aren't viable? Carry Junglers can't crush/snowball the game (Kha Zix)? Tank junglers aren't viable (Sejuani/Zac)? Literally every form of every role is viable right now in the meta. Sure there are some overtuned champions (Swain/Kai'Sa), which is the case for every online game at every stage of its life. So why the fuck is this joke of a board still bitching about balance when to me, it looks as balanced as it's ever been? People are saying stupid shit like "It's the worst season to date". Explain those garbage statements to me, because to me, what this looks like is a bunch of salty hardstuck players who need to find a new scapegoat to blame their lack of skill on every few weeks and they do it through garbage revisionism like pretending the game ever had a "perfect state".
Rioter Comments
: Whenever neither team has a hyper scaling ADC I have genuine fun with the game
The fact that you claim that Sivir/Caitlyn aren't hypercarries and still got this joke of a post upvoted, pretty much sums up how much of an embarrassment this board and the anti ADC circlejerk is. Good job.
: How is league mmr calculated? @RIOT
"Do you have a 51% win rate? Enjoy having low MMR team mates then" "Do you have a 49% win rate? Enjoy having high MMR team mates then"
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