: Because the position requires you to be a soulless psychopath and anyone who can bond with an animal is highly unlikely to be a psychopath.
Not sure why the inquisitor would need to be a psychopath. They could easily pull a twist on the theme and actually make him a sympathetic character, who actually tries his best to help the mages, believing that they are seriously ill and need to be cured for their own sake, making the mageseekers more than 1-dimensional jerks.
: OK but why this paragraph is a hint of romance? It could be a hint he just met his greatest competitor. Notice that the sinister blade is not a "woman" to a man, she is as tough as warriors, if not tougher. which lines shows the romance and the feeling?
Because even in-universe people are doubting that Garen is wanting to fight Kata just because she is a worthy opponent. Its pretty much filled with "foe yay"-vibes if you know what I mean. It obviously doesn't confirm anything, but it was definitely hinting into that direction.
: Female domination in Riot?? 😆
Uhm {{champion:517}} was released this year and I kinda doubt that he is female. Also the bigger focus on more female champs kinda evens out the fact that we'll have 4 male VGUs in a row(though counting Fiddle as male may be a stretch), while evening out the roster as a whole, so I'd say its actually a good thing.
: But we also know that there are no more Ionians this year. Obviously this meant more earlier in the year, but they do try to space out their releases even if it doesn't always work.
Well with like 9-10 big releases every year its kinda impossible to tackle every faction in every year since we've got 13 factions(and there might be neutral champs/VGUs as well). So them not having any ionia-champs in the works doesn't mean that this is because they want to balance out the releases, it might simply be because they didn't have a good concept for an ionia-champ and because there aren't any ionia champs who are in dire need of a big VGU. Anyway I agree that they put some focus on this, its just not the primary one, as they are willing to release more champs for a single faction if they simply happen to have good ideas for it. Thus I wouldn't count on it too much.
: In fighter x support/healer wise. Not like some fighter x fighter, which are more like bros than husband and wife.
Just because one is a healer and one is a fighter doesn't make the relationship healthy. If the fighter is abusive to the healer(or vice versa), then that isn't a healthy relationship.
: The old lore didn't imply romance at all . But I heard the in game quotes team are not the same department as the lore team. If they really forced into lovers, then hey are not healthy ship, after all, it's competitors twisted into romance, that just makes me cringe.
Garens own lore actually hinted at the possibility that Garen might have romantic feelings for Kata, with his subordinates suspecting that there was more going on between the 2 than just a simple rivalry. > Garen, the pride of the Demacian military and leader of the Dauntless Vanguard, returned from this battle breathless for the first time in his career, though some speculate that this was due to reasons other than exhaustion. The plausibility of these rumors was bolstered when, in every instance thereafter, Garen seized the opportunity to encounter the Sinister Blade again. A paragon of Demacian ethic, Garen never entertained such allegations, for he knew others couldn't understand. Even simply the pursuit of a worthy opponent on the battlefield is, to a true warrior, the reason to rise each morning. The promise of one, particularly so beautifully and diametrically opposed, is the validation of his existence.
: If they haven't met in lore, how come new champions have quotes to both of them talking about how they're in love?
Out of curiosity: Which champs do refer to that? The only one I know of is {{champion:223}} but he was released years ago. Eitherway though it is likely because Riot is adamant about making it canon eventually, they just didn't have the time to do it yet.
: Just like Warmother brought us Maalcrom and the Frost Priest aesthetic, Lux brought us a distinct look for the Mageseekers. I think that could be a cool concept all around, but Demacia just got a lot of content: Sylas, Kayle and Morgana, and quite a bit of lore, so it would probably have to wait until other regions get what they deserve.
I wouldn't be too sure about that. I think that if they ever wanted to make a mageseeker champ, then they'd need to release him/her before they actually continue the whole demacia-story. Releasing one afterwards would be kind of pointless. So releasing one now(or at least soon) would actually make quite some sense as the whole comic would have basically functioned as a way to build up said character. And lets be honest here, while Riot does seem to somewhat care about balancing out their releases, its not a top priority. We got like 1 champ for bandle city in like 6 years or so, yet we received 2 VGUs for ionia last year, even though we had already 3 ionian champs in the year before that.
: What do you mean? A troll? How is he trolling? And they’ve met in lore! Why else would people have specific quotes talking about their love for each other, including a quote that’s basically from Romeo and Juliet?
The thing is that Garen and Kata were implied to be romantically interested in each other in the old lore(with Garens entire bio being basically based around his rivalry with Kata), but this was never touched upon in the new lore, as there isn't a single lore piece in the new lore where Garen and Kata interact with each other. That being said, its pretty safe to say that they'll fall in love with each other eventually, Riot simply chose to focus on the mage-rebellion first.
: Love how real official romantic couples support and heal their loves
To be honest I'm not really sure that it is a healthy relationship within the star guardian universe. You can see how SG Rakan still clearly cares for Xayah, but Xayah seems to be more obsessed with her revenge on the other guardians, violently pushing rakan out of the way after he just saved her.
GenoXx (NA)
: There hasnt been any progression in it....unlike other regions.
Actually Piltover/Zaun are among the few factions who received some actual lore progression, as they got the comic with Ziggs&Jinx, that moved Ziggs from Piltover to Zaun and made Jinx actually start to somewhat care about people. It's not much, but it is something, wheras a lot of other champion stories haven't moved forward at all. And overall I'd say that lore progression is pretty sparse as a lot of the new lore releases are merely reestablishing champions/factions within the new lore, not progressing the lore.(if we only count the factions as a whole, not individual champs, then I'd say that Demacia, Bilgewater and maybe Shurima are the only factions that made any meaningful progress in the last years) For example the Ashe comic, was merely a retelling of her lore(or at least a part of it) in greater detail and the story about Sejuani, Udyr and Volibear was just reestablishing the alliance between the winters claw and the ursine within the new lore. The same goes for Swain taking over Noxus, we knew already that he did that in the past and his lore update merely established this in the new lore. Now granted if you are talking about actual lore releases, not necessarily progression, then yes Piltover/Zaun didn't receive anything for quite some time(though ezreals VGU isn't tha told either, so there is that) , but tbh, that has also to do with the fact that their lore update during Camilles/Warwicks releases were almost complete, with their yordles, Twitch and Singed being the only ones to be left without a full update. Compare that to Noxus, where Swains update only gave him a full storyoverhaul and otherwise only added bios to 3 other noxians, not even giving them color stories. So for example Noxus only got lore updates so frequently in the last months because their initial big lore update was extremely lackluster, wheras Piltover&Zaun got almost a complete overhaul at once.
: [Lore Question] Which would be stronger, A targonian Aspect or Xerath.
In most cases I'd say that Xerath wins. In the newest lore of Pantheon we see him face off against a being who is strongly hinted to be Xerath and the lore ends without a conclusion for the fight, which is almost certainly because showing Pantheons defeat in his own color story would likely make him look weak. The only aspect who might be strong enough is Zoe.
Adder (OCE)
: Star Guardian Theory: Swain is behind the corruption.
I think its just a coincidence. Swains eye was likely designed to look demonic, without making it look like the eye of sauron. Meanwhile Zoes eyes were likely designed to simply look like stars. And honestly it is unlikely that they have already exact plans for the next star guardian skins, if they introduce a villain who is behind Zoe(which would make sense as Zoe seems to be corrupted herself), then they'd likely decide who that villain is, once they actually get to work on the skin.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ebonmaw Dragon,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=Eo5EmAEb,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-15T19:27:59.734+0000) > > Are you serious? Targon has tons of lore: > > 7 Champions with updated lore > 4 Stories related to Targon > 8 pictures talking about the architecture of Targon > 10 pictures talking about the enviorement of Targon > 10 more about the people > 4 about animals that live in targon > 3 about tools > 1 video > > and tons of other stories that have relation with Targon but are not in the page of Targon (for example the lore of the Angel Sisters appears in Demacia instead) > > In other hand, there is literally nothing about Bandle City itself, only 3 pictures about the portals to Bandle city but that is it. The 2 stories and a comic that appear in the page have almost nothing to do with Bandle City. Out of all the champs from Bandle, only 4 have updated lores, and 1 of those (Veigar) is not really related to Bandle aside from the fact that he was born there. +1 to this. The only regions lacking lore is Piltover/Zaun and Bandle city
Why do Piltover/Zaun lack in terms of lore? Almost all their champs have updated lore, including color stories,(the exceptions are the yordles, Singed and Twitch) and the universe page provides quite a lot of details for the factions.
: if darkins know about blood magic, why dont they use it themselves when its obviously powerful? thats what i meant. and that whole part is vaguely described as well
Who says they don't use it? Just because a champion doesn't use a skill ingame doesn't mean that they don't have it in the lore. I mean Xerath can mind control a small army, but that would be broken ingame. And their whole "form a new body out of a host"-deal is based on a combination of blood&flesh-magic, using the flesh and blood of their host to make a new body. And while its been removed, Aatrox used to have the bloodwell to revive himself.
Leetri (EUW)
: I don't know your definition of "west", but according to the map it's as far east as you can get on Valoran without going to the Shadow Isles.
Yeah my bad, had the map flipped in my head, so you are definitely right. So unless the ionians first expanded west and went all over the globe until they arrived at valoran, then that would contradict each other.
: actually, depending upon what lore for magic you use, illusions can be solid and can trick a person into just about anything if they do not realize the deception they are frail otherwise, but key word, "deception" for example if Xin zhao had never fought J4 before, simply by hiding herself, she could easily give him the battle of the ages for as much as I love mages/magic/etc , magic is almost by all definitions a cheat when it is exclusive to those who practice it, but league lore and power is very weird, such as Malphite, the living mountain... to put it better into perspective, magic is an unexplained force that bends the rules of reality to the caster's whims and typically follows ANOTHER set of rules within that reality
While that is true, I honestly doubt that Leblanc is THAT powerful. If she were, then she shouldn't have a problem with taking back control over Noxus.
Arakadia (NA)
: Thats a possible explanation but I would prefer that, of the few normal humans we have of Shurima, she accurately represent them in her characteristics and skin color. This is a pretty old post for you though Mr. Greenlore.
Dang it I didn't realize that this thread was necroed xD
: You forgot about the plothole about blood magic
Uhm what plothole? Vlad uses bloodmagic cause it was teached to him by a darkin and he likely teached it to some other people, hence why some noxians know how to use it. Not sure how that contradicts anything.
: People didn't originate in Targon >In truth, Ixtali culture is much older—part of the great westward diaspora that gave rise to civilizations including the Buhru, magnificent Helia, and the ascetics of TARGON All four of these cultures came from some unseen continent east of the Shadow Isles and Ionia. That may be where humanity originated. At least in the southern continents. I think we can also safely assume that at least for Valoran humans got their start in the Freljord before the Iceborn sisters.
Uhm Ionia does lie in the west, so I always thought that "the great westward diaspora" referred to Ionia. EDIT:Nevermind, had the map flipped in my head.
jotarowo (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=GreenLore,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=JJXGE0Kt,comment-id=00040001,timestamp=2019-09-11T22:41:32.983+0000) > > Don't confuse the potential of the darkins with the actual lore. > I mean sure your idea of the darkin sounds really badass, but from what we actually knew was that the darkins were aliens that were stupid enough to start an invasion that ended with the annihilation of their entire race except for 5 of them. > > Meanwhile they are now fallen god warriors whose power was so great that even the aspects, who are essentially gods themselves, weren't able to kill them and needed to seal them instead. > > So all in all the old darkins had the potential to be something more badass than the new ones(and personally I think the idea of them as invaders from another world was more interesting), but our only info about them was literally that they picked the fight with a far too powerful opponent that ended in their destruction. I loved the mystery they had as aliens, but now as ascended we kinda have an idea of what they are
Honestly that will likely always be a problem with champions with mysterious backgrounds, as riot can hardly adress these champs without revealing their mystery(or at least some of it) eventually. Because keeping a mystery forever will eventually look like an excuse to not give the champ a proper background.
Kendren1 (NA)
: Im not rly following the story but awhile back there was alot of shit about how Leblanc had most likely infiltrated Demacia disguised as J4, and he'd been kidnapped. Maybe thats why?
That was long before the retcon and the story arc that was connected to this theory was completely scrapped. Besides we saw Jarvan holding his own against Xin Zhao in a spear fight in a story that would happen during this time, so he is definitely not leblanc, as she wouldn't have been able to recreate that.
Jaspers (EUW)
: Isn't that the issue? Gathering up, and putting where? In camps? Just locked up? Or maybe 'Circles' to steal Dragon Age's idea where they are controlled? The latter might be progress instead of hiding in fear, they are controlled, can practice their magic safely so they aren't a danger and taught instead, to get them on Demacia's side but the former 2 would as the OP said "just create another Sylas". What we need is aftermath story telling. Xin's story didn't give that.
I'm not saying that it isn't an issue, I'm merely pointing out that the opener is exaggerating. Just because I don't agree with Jarvans actions doesn't mean that I'm ok with others spreading misinformation about him.
: Then why does Garen still act like he only suspects Lux is a mage? Why is the kid being a dark mage not treated as a much bigger deal in light of the mage rebellion? (Answer: because it hadn't come up at that point and likely hadn't happened yet)
If mages are still shunned, then Garen can't tell his companions that Lux is a mage, so of course he doesn't talk about it(or is there a scene where we hear garens inner thoughts?It's been quite some time since I've read it). And they came there to find out who was causing the nightmares, in the end only Lux met the kid who was posessed by Nocturne and all that Garen ever knew was that Lux managed to fix the problem.
jotarowo (EUNE)
: im still salty how my lovely darkins went from chad aliens to virgin shurimans. itd be perfect if darkins are intergallactic lovecraftian beings whom original form ideology intentions etc. humans cannot even comprehend and the form they see is limited due to the fact they possessed human bodies.but now lets make them evil ascended and waste a rl good opportunity to expand the universe.darkins went from an actual badass threat to sth far weaker.
Don't confuse the potential of the darkins with the actual lore. I mean sure your idea of the darkin sounds really badass, but from what we actually knew was that the darkins were aliens that were stupid enough to start an invasion that ended with the annihilation of their entire race except for 5 of them. Meanwhile they are now fallen god warriors whose power was so great that even the aspects, who are essentially gods themselves, weren't able to kill them and needed to seal them instead. So all in all the old darkins had the potential to be something more badass than the new ones(and personally I think the idea of them as invaders from another world was more interesting), but our only info about them was literally that they picked the fight with a far too powerful opponent that ended in their destruction.
: Riot has a problem with continuity
> Most recently... this one is actually very minor, but it bears bringing up, I think: Lux gets her staff/wand in the new Lux comic, but she also has it in the short story "For Demacia". The story must take place before the comic, as it's before she's made a refugee; so... how is that? Eh that always felt a bit odd, since her staff is a dead giveaway that she is a mage. That being said, we don't know how the story ends, if it ends with Lux joining the illuminators, while mages are still shunned, then that story can still be placed after the mage rebellion. Though that outcome seems unlikely of course.
: It's Hard To Reconcile J4's Character Now
> [{quoted}](name=FlashNeko,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=lj99q2pb,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-09-11T19:09:50.940+0000) > > act like a genocidal bigot willing to approve the murder of small children because they have even the slightest potential of magical ability. Uhm who says that they are killing them? The way it looked in the comic they are capturing the mages for now.(granted who knows what they'll do with them)
Arakadia (NA)
: Yes but for someone whose ancestors have been Shuriman for thousands of years, she really shouldn't look white. So considering she kind of breaks that logic, it isn't stupid to ask if Qiyana is supposed to be caucasian.
Thats most likely due to Sivirs VGU happening before they really defined shurima and its people. In-universe it could simply be that Sivir has a mixed heritage. After all its likely that quite some people from Noxus, Piltover and Zaun live/visited Shurima at a certain point.
Ephixus (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=AIQ,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=xvAMLhW2,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-09-10T19:52:19.573+0000) > > Riven is a popular champion that is 476 days old. Not anything to write home about, but Nami (294) and Mumu (324) actually had to wait less time. While yes there are probably better champions than these 3 that need it. > > I'm not too disappointed here. > > Who better than Ryze though? Just curious. I mean one day it would be nice to have all Champion ship skins. Maybe if they start releasing sets so we con't have to wait 200+years. Amumu received not so long ago "Infernal" skin, so I dont think u're correct.
That was in october 2018, so almost a year has passed since then.
: is it just me or does that riven skin look kinda hideous? edit: just looked at the recall animation and good lord, flying into the sky? how dull can you get?
Well her homeguard has her surfing on her sword, so thats pretty neat.
: > [{quoted}](name=GreenLore,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=Y9drRm4f,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-09-10T22:10:24.116+0000) > > Honestly Voli only won the VGU vote because the fans are actually excited about the concept of Volibear as an eldritch storm god. > > The other VGUs didn't really promise to change the core concept of the character that much. I simply dont get it. Most of those people who voted for Volibear are not actually fans of Volibear. If they are fans of Volibear, then they are fans of the core concept of Volibear... and that concept is NOT an eldritch storm got, the concept of Volibear is that he is an armored bear. When Riot reworks a champion in such big scale that changes the whole core concept of the champ, the old fans of the champion that was reworked do not like the new change. That happened with Gargoley Galio, Plague Troll Trundle, etc and the same will happen to Armored Bear Volibear. Changing the core concept of the character that much is a punch in the guts to the fans of the old concept in order to make the champion more popular. Im not saying that the Rework will be bad, but the choice was. If people wants an eldritch storm god champ, then make a champ like that, dont change an already existing champion. I like Shyvana and i didnt voted for her, but if they reworked her, i wouldn't like if Riot changed her into a Super Mecha Dragon from Zaun, because that is not the core of Shyvana. Even if i would love to have a Super Mecha Dragon Champ from Zaun. I voted for Mundo because he is objectively the worst looking champion of the game (aside from Udyr, but he was not even in the list), who has the most outdated kit of all, has less than a minute of VO and a short story that barely connect him with the rest of the lore. He was released 10 years ago, Volibear in other hand is from 2012.
Riot seems to be aware of the problem, hence why Volis concepts go into so many different directions, trying to look if they can find a middle ground or not. Eitherway it looks like the problem is simply that Volis core concept was never very popular to begin with. So even if a lot of Voli mains will be disappointed by the rework, there'd be likely an even greater number of new Voli mains. And simply making a new champ with this concept would create a too great overlap with Voli, as having an eldritch armored storm bear god would make the armored storm bear obselete and Riot usually tries to give every champ a unique theme.
: I Actually own that skin, if i remember correctly, it was an idea of the comunity back in the old days. It was never meant to be a serious skin, but i agree that the skin is really outdated... But the problem is that... Dr Mundo as a whole is REALLY outdated, he must be the ugliest champ in the game (after Udyr) and his kit as well is not great. I still dont get how people voted for Volibear instead. Depending of the changes to his kit, the skin could become great, or not... everything depends on what direction will Riot take for his VU.
Honestly Voli only won the VGU vote because the fans are actually excited about the concept of Volibear as an eldritch storm god. The other VGUs didn't really promise to change the core concept of the character that much.
Kazekiba (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=GreenLore,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=0PA4qkaX,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-09-10T11:20:46.175+0000) > > Uhm isn't the fact that she can transform into a dragon already a source for tension? > Honestly I'd say they should tone down the dragon elements in her regular form, but they shouldn't remove them entirely either. > Because Shyvana looks so obviously inhuman it borders on stupidity that anyone could even pretend that she isn't magical. Garen summons a giant beam of light in the shape of a sword from the clouds. Jarvan literally radiates so much light that it protects his body Lucian wields magic rocks that are totally not guns and shoot pure light Vayne summons bats and turns into a shadow Galio is a giant walking statue (that Riot seems to think Sion is the size of; He's not. Galio is dozens of times taller and maybe a couple thousand times more massive) Quinn talks to birds Poppy is a fairy Sona plays a death instrument and makes no sound herself, ever. Also she FLOATS. Fiora can apparently bend space and time - or rather, reflect the bending of it around her. Most everyone in Demacia is pretty blatantly magical, the whole idea was really stupid from the beginning and forced as part of "DUDE ANTI MAGE" narrative for Galio's VGU (Which he doesnt even fit that identity anymore lmao, mostly builds armor)
Garens giant sword is never seen or even alluded to in the lore. It is either a power that he hasn't discovered yet or it is magic that is stored in his equipment(as demacian steel absorbs magic). Jarvans shield is also an ingame ability only and is likely related to magic that was absorbed by his armor, it could also represent him using his armor to block enemy attacks. Lucian works outside of Demacia. Vaynes bats are just an aesthetic effect, her turning invisible ingame is just her being stealthy, also she too works outside of demacia. Galio doesn't move very often, currently there are only a handful of people that even know that galio can move(also they don't think that Galio and Sion are equal in size, they are equal in power) Quinn obviously doesn't speak bird language, she has simply a deep bond to valor and they can understand each other, even if they don't speak the same language. Poppy is covered by glamour making her look like a small human to others, making them unaware of her true nature. Sona hasn't received any lore in the new canon, so it remains to be seen where she stands in the lore. Fioras abilities are simply representations of her fencing skills. You are taking the ingame abilities too literally, most of them are flashier representations of rather regular powers.
: > [{quoted}](name=GreenLore,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=8WKhW6xX,comment-id=0005000000010000,timestamp=2019-09-10T10:38:27.265+0000) > > Then that would be a total waste for a darkin. > In all seriousness, with there being only 5 darkin in existence it'd be a waste to make a champion with a darkin weapon without giving us the option to play as the actual darkin themselves, because that'd mean that we'd get only 1 more darkin champ. There are probably more than five Darkin now that they're Ascended and not inter dimensional aliens. Could still be 5 from a Riot point of view, but after the retcon they made no effort to maintain that there are only five so we're forced to believe that isn't the case anymore for now
Varus in his comic does mention that there are 5 darkin. And I remember that a rioter later confirmed that there are still only 5 darkin,but that the tools to create more darkins still exist.
: > [{quoted}](name=GreenLore,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=8WKhW6xX,comment-id=000500000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-10T14:59:33.359+0000) > > Sona would be a really poor character for either of these concepts. > If a darkin chose to stay in weapon form or someone would use a redeemed darkin, then the darkin shouldn't be just a silent object to a champ, they should be at least an actual character themselves, even if they aren't the champion themselves(basically imagine a friendly rhaast). That's pretty close to what i envisioned, really. My vision of Etwahl as a person is off a very, very artsy Ascended, and she (im assuming female) keeps that as an anchor to her personality as a Darkin, so much so that she's unable to be sealed in a simple weapon, but rather in a musical instrument, or her preferred weapon which also was one. I'm imagining Sona's paren(s) finding Etwahl as an instrument in a cave somewhere in Ionia, Etwahl takes one over, quickly begins to decay but has the time to realize baby Sona's magical potential as a future host. Takes Sona to a place she's likely to have decent upbringing (the orphanage) before turning back into her instrument form. She then tethers herself to Sona (making her mute in the process?) and acts as a discreet protector to the child until she's old enough to become a host but has a change of heart midway through, possibly due to the child's natural artistic disposition. Etwahl influences Sona into developing her artistic sense. Later, Lestara Buvelle (who i'd lore up to belong to either an artsy or historian family), visits Ionia post-Noxian invasion as a diplomat, hears of the child and her instrument, and recognizes the Etwahl for what it is. She immediately adopts Sona and brings her to Demacia, hiding her latent magic as well as actually teaching her how to play. Sona develops her talents to epic levels, and becomes a diva. The result could be a Sona/Etwahl as beautifully interwoven as Kindred are.
Honestly I'm not sure if Riot would be ready to add a second character to Sona as the champion. Sure the past VGUs changed the characters quite a lot, but never have they added a second character to the champ.
: > [{quoted}](name=GreenLore,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=8WKhW6xX,comment-id=0005000000010000,timestamp=2019-09-10T10:38:27.265+0000) > > Then that would be a total waste for a darkin. > In all seriousness, with there being only 5 darkin in existence it'd be a waste to make a champion with a darkin weapon without giving us the option to play as the actual darkin themselves, because that'd mean that we'd get only 1 more darkin champ. That's a rather close-minded approach. There is currently no depiction of either a redeemed Darkin or one who is willing to stay in weapon form. Etwahl offers a unique potential as that character, and could serve to flesh out Sona as a character very nicely, considering she's mute and has basically zero backstory. And let's be honest here, we don't really need two more edgelords.
Sona would be a really poor character for either of these concepts. If a darkin chose to stay in weapon form or someone would use a redeemed darkin, then the darkin shouldn't be just a silent object to a champ, they should be at least an actual character themselves, even if they aren't the champion themselves(basically imagine a friendly rhaast).
: > [{quoted}](name=GreenLore,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=8WKhW6xX,comment-id=0005000000010000,timestamp=2019-09-10T10:38:27.265+0000) > > Then that would be a total waste for a darkin. > In all seriousness, with there being only 5 darkin in existence it'd be a waste to make a champion with a darkin weapon without giving us the option to play as the actual darkin themselves, because that'd mean that we'd get only 1 more darkin champ. If I understand correctly, we know were 4 Darkins currently are. Aatrox, and Varus are currently released, while Kayn holds Rhaast, and another is trapped in Sivir's weapon.
There isn't one in sivirs weapon. The aspect of twilight used sivirs weapon to depower and slay some darkin, but they didn't seal one. When she cut out the heart of the darkin, he was already human, there wasn't any need to seal him anymore as he was mortal already.
: If Shyvana looks too human, then she would be able to easily blend into the normal citizens of Demacia, as long as she doesn't show her face too clearly to someone already knowing her. This would just make her exactly the same like the mages in Demacia. Lux, for example, is hiding the fact that she is a mage, she has to keep it a secret. Shyvana should be different in my opinion. She shouldn't be someone who can hide her nature as long as she isn't seen directly in combat just like Lux. Shyvana is interesting because she lives in xenophobic Demacia and isn't able to hide the fact that she is magical. One look at her skin and you know what is going on. She needs to be **actively** protected (by Jarvan IV, most likely), instead of just controlling her dragon self so nobody notices. I think this makes her more interesting, so I prefer if Shyvana in human form still gives away that she is a half-dragon at first glance.
That's a good point. Though I feel like they'd need to adjust her lore then. Everyone just pretending that Shyvana isn't magical when she obviously is, would feel really silly. I actually feel like she should only become Jarvans (or a part of the demacian military), when Demacia officially accepts mages, which would put her into a position where the prejudices against magical beings would be still there, but no one could officially do something against her.
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: Yes, she lived in a cave along side horrors and monsters beyond words at the age of 10, while being grafted to a void skin that feeds on her. She's dandy. I can imagine Kog'maw spitting on someone and melting their flesh. I feel the threat of the Void was lowered upon her release and lore tied in with it. Just my opinion.
While Kai'sa was able to survive thanks to ridiculous amounts of luck, we also got a story of the void annihilating a whole army even though that army featured several ascended warriors, who'd be easily more powerful than most of the champions. Kai'sa surviving was honestly rather contrived storytelling, she literally lucked out inside that void cave. I feel like they should have made Kai'sa a bit older and establish her as a strong hunter before she got the suit, that would have made it more believable.
: Anyone notice the Void is kinda weak?
Honestly the fact that voidcreatures come in all sizes and power levels isn't really anything new. I mean did you really think that Malzahars voidlings would be terryfying threats on their own? The big void creatures are dangerous, but the small ones are merely cannon fodder, thats honestly something you should have expected. And honestly just look at the universe page and you'll see that some gargantuan void beings exist(or at least existed), there are voidborns who tower over elephants.
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: It's not a threat, not in a way it used to be, not since Kai'sa's release. While the Watcher's do want to end life because they don't understand it (in the end creating life to do that, irony). What went from this strange force that changes corrupts and destroys to something you can live around for most your life and be fine. Even the Universe page has a bit of text that states that if there is no magic or organic matter to feed on it's force stops/goes stagnant, some threat that just stops if you aren't near it. Kinda different to the idea that Pantheon had to summon a massive space dragon from across the stars to obliterate a rift opening. Although Malphite's new story did give a nice tidbit on how the Void is spreading unknown throughout Runeterra below ground. Same as Darkin War though, went from massive outside threat of warring civilization of untold amount of unstoppable demon like beings to about 13-15 nutjobs fighting because they lost their leader, now with a few trapped in weapons being basically walking corpses.
You know that Kai'sa was never inside the void do you? She was in a cavern that was filled with void creatures, but void creatures don't corrupt anything themselves(I mean can you imagine kog'maw corrupting anyone?)
: I just hope that Riot will decide to still give Dr. Mundo his rework next year... he needs it so badly and I would love to see what they can make out of him. __________________ About Shyvana: I kinda doubt that they will make her "normal looking" in her human form. Part of the tension in her lore comes from the fact that she is an **obvious** magical being in the xenophobic society of Demacia. Making her looking like a normal human most of the time would kinda take that away.
> [{quoted}](name=Chembaron Yamada,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=0PA4qkaX,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-10T00:56:49.840+0000) > > About Shyvana: I kinda doubt that they will make her "normal looking" in her human form. Part of the tension in her lore comes from the fact that she is an **obvious** magical being in the xenophobic society of Demacia. Making her looking like a normal human most of the time would kinda take that away. Uhm isn't the fact that she can transform into a dragon already a source for tension? Honestly I'd say they should tone down the dragon elements in her regular form, but they shouldn't remove them entirely either. Because Shyvana looks so obviously inhuman it borders on stupidity that anyone could even pretend that she isn't magical.
: I'm not looking forward to it. I would like one as someone who has played lot of the champion but the way riot has talked about her makes me worried. It sounds like want a more ability base shyvana and not on hit auto base champion. Which goes basically against what she is. She is supposed to be a on hit bruiser not a mage.
In general it looks like riot isn't very fond of auto-attack fighters, hence why they changed aatrox. And to be honest, I can kinda understand why they don't like it, because auto-attacking at close range is pretty boring, unless you are rather squishy and need to constantly move around to survive.
: > [{quoted}](name=FallingMeteor,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=8WKhW6xX,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-09-09T23:34:39.750+0000) > > I just want Riot to keep Sona being a famed muscian, and Jhin hating her for stealing his spotlight. The issue is her instrument is floating, so she can just put a stand under it. Though her place in lore is kinda weird a mage in an antimage country, and also she's absent from both wars. I always liked that she's described as playing for sold-out audiences. Gonna be honest, she always felt more like a mute Draven kind of character than the boring archetypal good girl trope. Now if we can have her Etwahl be the Darkin Varus is still looking for on Ionia...
> [{quoted}](name=GinoSoldier,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=8WKhW6xX,comment-id=000500000001,timestamp=2019-09-10T09:57:44.575+0000) > > > Now if we can have her Etwahl be the Darkin Varus is still looking for on Ionia... Then that would be a total waste for a darkin. In all seriousness, with there being only 5 darkin in existence it'd be a waste to make a champion with a darkin weapon without giving us the option to play as the actual darkin themselves, because that'd mean that we'd get only 1 more darkin champ.
: I don't know, I don't realy see Jhin in a military skin line, since he is all about art and such stuff.....
Well he is a sniper, which is very military-like. I could actually imagine him in the arctic ops skin line, similar to Varus.
: Where Are The Demacian Champions?
{{champion:3}} is likely stationed too far away from the actual castle to awaken {{champion:37}} is likely in a spot where Riot has no idea what to do with her, so they just leave her out until they have a plan. Though its also possible that she is simply outside of the capital or wants to remain neutral in this conflict(after all it is unlikely that she'd support Sylas, but if she went against him she'd out herself as a mage and would make an enemy of both sides). She might also be in ionia given that we could see her and Ryze fighting there in one of the cinematics. {{champion:102}} was mentioned by Jarvan, hinting at Jarvan once loving Shyvana, which sounds like Shyvana might have actually left the demacian military. Overall it is likely that Shyvana will be the next big rework after Fiddle and Voli given that she was the number 1 pick in several regions during the VGU-vote, so Riot would likely keep her out of the story eitherway. {{champion:133}} is a scout, so she is likely positioned at the borders of the demacian territory, far away from the capital. {{champion:236}} & {{champion:67}} are both out and are on the hunt for evil beings, so its possible that both of them aren't even in demacia, but in some other nation. {{champion:114}} No Idea what she does, she might be simply out of town. {{champion:78}} wanders through demacia, so she is likely not in the capital all the time.
: After her encounter with Urgot, I wouldn't imagine Voss as one of these who want to sit back and let others do the dirty work for them. And I would think that she would fight up close and personal, considering her sadistic nature and how she enjoyed torturing prisoners. Also, making her an assassin could fit in my opinion, because assassins are not just about killing the "frail". Urgot is **big** and **really really strong**. When it comes to pure physical strength, he would most likely have the upper hand. She needs her own advantage to overcome him. Making her swift and evasive could work in that case, imo. Imagine Voss dashing around, trying to whittle Urgot down with fast attacks intentionally aimed at weak spots of his body, like the tubes which are fueling his shotgunknees. And it is not impossible for an assassin to represent power, too. Look at Qiyana, she is designed as an assassin, but she still has that power fantasy of being that future empress of Ixaocan. Can also see her as a mage, tho. But less as a tank.
Qiyanas main theme is more about being an elementalist and being a mage that manipulates her surroundings, she isn't even an empress and is not even the current successor to the throne. Her lore is also about just how skilled she is both as a fighter and a mage and her whole story is about how she thinks she deserves to be queen because of said skill. And overall it'd depend on how they'd envision Voss(or any other chembaron champ that we could get). She might be actually afraid of Urgot, hence why it could make sense for her to stay away from him and let him suffer from a distance. In general I simply wouldn't define a chembaron around Urgot, or at least not solely. Sure someone who darts around Urgot and tries to fight his brute strength with agility would cool, but I wouldn't say that it would be fitting for a mafia boss to be like that.
: Yep, the argument was that they wanted to make Urgot a living war machine and they didn't see much reason for a chembaron to be out there wreaking havok instead of sitting in their office controling their business. _________________________ I agree that it wouldn't be a chembaron that we have _seen_ already, but one of the barons I mentioned here would be a perfect candidate as a champion in my opinion: Baron Voss. We don't know how she looks like yet, so Riot would have all the freedom they want in designing her. And she already has strong ties to Urgot, since she was the one running the Dredge, which he then overtook. I can see her wanting revenge for all of this, augmenting herself with chemtech to match Urgot's fighting power. And this revenge motive would be a good reason why she is out there doing the killing herself, this whole thing became personal, she wants to be the one killing Urgot herself. Maybe she could become his antithesis. While Urgot is that big, slow juggernaut, she could be a swift small assassin with chemtech weapons. She also is quite sadistic in nature, which would fit an assassin playstyle. Also, I would like the chembaron champion to be female, simply because we currently just have 2 female Zaunites and could use some more imo. {{champion:40}} {{champion:222}} She would make so much sense for me.
I agree that Voss would make a good candidate for a chembaron champ, though I don't think that an assassin-fighting style would really fit a chembaron. After all the chembarons are people of power, who usually let others do the dirty work, they should feel like they stand above the enemy or like a really powerful entity. But assassins are based around attacking the frail enemies, while using their mobility to avoid harm, so they convey a feeling of skill and mastered arts, but not power. I'd say a mage, fighter or even tank would work better, heck maybe even support. A mage uses huge amounts of power, while being on the backline of the team, so that would convey the feeling of someone who has a lot of power, but who usually stays behind the scenes. Fighters and Tanks usually don't fear to charge right into the enemy territory, so they are also good at conveying the power of a chembaron. And a support could convey the whole "letting others do the work for them"-feel of a chembaron, basically boosting the power of their adc, so that the adc can do the dirty work instead. Though it wouldn't convey the power theme that well.
: The Chembarons we know
The irony behind Urgots rework is that they once considered making Urgot a chembaron himself and now he hunts them instead. Eitherway I'd really like to see a Chembaron in the game, though I doubt it'd be any of the chembarons that we have seen already, as Riot would likely want to have free reign when it comes to designing them.(then again, there is no reason why they can't just change the design anyway)
: Either Thresh Wasn't Evil From the Start...
> [{quoted}](name=NotaRobot1006,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=nKMOAEP8,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-09-05T13:58:03.338+0000) > > But if Thresh _was_ a sadist from the beginning...then who's the brainiac who stuck a known sadist in a vault full of powerful magical relics _unsupervised?_ That decision would require an unprecedented level of stupid. For us to accept that premise, we would also have to accept that a society of enlightened scholars were somehow simultaneously total morons. > > Heck, even if Thresh was a sadist and just really good at hiding it, the other monks would still be idiots for having such a poor vetting process for an extremely dangerous and easily abused position of power. > A lot of psychopaths are really good at hiding their own psychotic selfs in public, so if Thresh was already a sadistic evil monster before he guarded the vault, then it is safe to say that he was good at hiding it. Also keep in mind that overseeing the vault likely needed someone who had an exceptional willpower, so thresh might have been chosen for that and not because of his moral compass. That being said, i think they updated Hecarims lores to actually exclude Threshs role in the ruination, so it wouldn't surprise me if they consider retconning him again. After all I think there were people who were upset that Thresh wasn't an actual jailer anymore.
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