Bârd (NA)
: Is it just me or is Riot not even trying to hype up new releases anymore?
To be fair, Jhins teaser was so drawn out because they started to tease him before the winter break, even though they only revealed him after said winter break was over, stretching Jhins teaser longer than anyone elses. That being said I agree that teasers have gotten less and less focus. I mean when was the last time any new champ/VGU got an animated teaser?And I'm not talking about animated teasers that use the ingame models(like the one of {{champion:517}} ), but I'm talking about teasers like the ones for {{champion:245}}, {{champion:136}} or {{champion:19}} It's especially bad when you remember that {{champion:246}} was the launch champ for a new region.
: Then why didn't they just make it a Sylas comic?
Because the overarching story of this comic series revolves around {{champion:99}}
: That's fair. I just want them to give me a reason to root for Lux, because while I understand they're writing her as still developing, I'm dying for a reason to take interest in her. While the comic itself is good, I don't think it's a good "Lux comic" if that makes sense. She feels less like the protagonist of the story and more a foil for Sylas and/or Garen, who have a lot more interesting things going on imo that overshadow her. She might be in the boat, but Sylas and Garen are the ones steering it.
Well in general this comic is basically the comic-version of {{champion:517}}s backstory, so it makes sense that he gets the most focus and development in this comic.
UomoAfide (EUW)
: Project: Reckoning
I kinda feel like this could have been its own skinline within the same universe led by {{champion:113}} After all the whole damaged/forgotten aesthetic contrasts quite a bit with the rest of Project and we already have 2 other factions in that universe who are led by {{champion:127}} and {{champion:22}} respectively.
: > [{quoted}](name=GreenLore,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=P3KG3Ei2,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2019-07-14T10:58:57.833+0000) > > The thing is that Varus is an ancient evil, who was so powerful, that even the aspects(who are lorewise some of the most powerful beings in existence, Zoe can easily nuke a village and got compared to Aurelion Sol in terms of overall power), weren't able to permanently kill them, hence why they arranged it for them to be sealed away. > > That is definitely nothing a relatively normal human like Hanzo could ever hope to defeat. but there are only 4 left? right? like what killed so many if theyre so all so strong, like aatrox and rhaast are tough but Varus only defended a point by himself.......... okay now that im saying it I forgot how strong Og Varus is before he even became Darkin............... although spirit dragons seem strong................ im very confused
There are 5 left and we know that at least some of them were killed by the previous aspect of twilight(or maybe its a second one?Zoe jokes about how there are 2 of her in one of her lines), who basically tricked one of them into depowering himself and several of his brethern with the power of the moon, turning them into regular humans. In general they were overthrown by the humans(not single individuals though), who were granted the tools to do so by the aspects of targon. Though like I said, the remaining 5 were too powerful to be killed, even the aspects, who have control over a space dragon that can easily annihilate planets didn't know how to deal with them.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ebonmaw Dragon,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=P3KG3Ei2,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-07-13T19:41:53.734+0000) > > I know this is a Lol board and it seems obvious that most of the people would be biased towards Varus, but lorewise, Varus is far more powerful than a human... Unless Hanzo obtains magical powers from the moon, he cant kill Varus... If Hanzo " knocks the bow away", Varus would be still alive since he IS the bow and if he takes the bow, then he would become the new Varus. > > And Varus also has blood magic, blood magic is super effective against creatures that need blood to live, like humans. I feel like we don't really have a good reference for varus' abilities in lore or his skill with a bow, we see his arrows just kinda arc around and heat seek targets and hit them all, but aside from spirit dragons we know a lot of what Hanzo can do which is why I really cant decide
The thing is that Varus is an ancient evil, who was so powerful, that even the aspects(who are lorewise some of the most powerful beings in existence, Zoe can easily nuke a village and got compared to Aurelion Sol in terms of overall power), weren't able to permanently kill them, hence why they arranged it for them to be sealed away. That is definitely nothing a relatively normal human like Hanzo could ever hope to defeat.
: Swain's a hero
He got rid of a corrupt system that used child soldiers and chemical warfare, however that doesn't mean that Swain wouldn't use child soldiers or chemical warfare himself. And if he doesn't use it, then he doesn't do it because he thinks its morally wrong, but because it's just not practical.
: I was more thinking more that this would be a point where they could've brought in the shielding aspect of her kit, since Riot has been integrating more and more gameplay into lore or vice versa.
I think they'll save that for later. Her shielding people with her powers and realizing that her powers can be used for good, sounds like something that would happen at the climax of a story arc, not at the half-way point.
: U could get an ursine with panda like markings maybe with rotting flesh or blood where the black marks are
That sounds pretty rad, but I don't think it could really capture the feeling of a panda.
: Also was his intention to rule the Ancient Shuriman empire and not destroy it or did he want to destroy it
I think it was stated at some point that the destruction was merely a byproduct of Xeraths ascension, but I can't find the source for this anymore since it's been several years since the update or I might remember it wrong. Eitherway I don't think Xerath had anything to gain by destroying shurima and was probably busy focusing on the ritual anyway, so I'd say it would make the most sense if it was just a byproduct of his ascension.
: I was disappointed. I thought if there was a time for Lux to really shine in some way it would've been now. Yes, she used her powers to break out, but she didn't think to use her powers to protect all those people, or at least to protect Garen if Riot didn't want her mage-ness to be exposed yet since supposedly no one else survived the riot. Instead all she can think to do is throw her body in front of people and beg? If she doesn't know how to use her powers to protect yet, hopefully that'll be in the next issue, if not the one after. It's just strange to me that this issue places us almost where we are currently in lore but Lux is so vastly behind in terms of development.
At this point she has barely any experience in using her powers in combat, so if she had used her powers she would have likely killed people herself by accident and would have made the situation worse. Not to mention that Sylas still uses Petricite shackles, so if Lux attacked Sylas she might accidently charge him up.
: > [{quoted}](name=GreenLore,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=0sjkxOtm,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-10T10:39:16.774+0000) > > Old Update? > It was updated last year right? That makes it one of the more recent lore updates, considering that some of the older bio updates are already over 3 years old. > > In general I merely point out that Lee did receive a big lore update already. > It might not have changed his actual character, but it severed his ties to the IoW and redefined his powers. > > The VO change was obviously not done because of his new lore, but that was never my point to begin with. wait, what was the point of your posts then?
The post of the opener sounded like they weren't aware of Lee Sins lore update and I merely wanted to clear that up.
: > [{quoted}](name=GreenLore,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=0sjkxOtm,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-07-09T17:22:34.050+0000) > > I was referring specifically to this remark of the opener: yes, but it's still barely changed. you cant really use it as an argument since its such an old update
Old Update? It was updated last year right? That makes it one of the more recent lore updates, considering that some of the older bio updates are already over 3 years old. In general I merely point out that Lee did receive a big lore update already. It might not have changed his actual character, but it severed his ties to the IoW and redefined his powers. The VO change was obviously not done because of his new lore, but that was never my point to begin with.
: I meant barely relative to other champions whose stories relied on the existence of the Institute of War, like Kayle, Orianna, Mundo, etc. Lee's was changed very little, as they mainly leaned more heavily into what gives him a strong connection to Udyr. More importantly, that bio change was more than a year ago. In-game changes that are lore related tend to happen at the same time as the lore change if it's planned. This wasn't the case with Lee.
But Lee Sins old lore did rely on the IoW, as he was a former summoner apprentice that accidentally destroyed a village, which led to him becoming a monk in the first place. However you are of course right that his lore update is definitely not the reason, as his old VO was still fitting for his new lore.
Eggbread (NA)
: (Champion Rework Concept) Volibear, Eye of the Storm
Overall I'm not a big fan of the whole abomination-thing. I mean it fits his new lore, but turning him into a minionmancer feels like a really awkward change. And I also think that his ult needs to be more impressive, I mean a bunch of empowered auto attacks don't feel that impressive. His E feels much more impressive and unique from a pure flavor-perspective, so I'd actually say that it would make more sense for an ult.
Nekorus (NA)
: {{champion:56}} damn thats a pretty dark concept for a thunder polar bear.
His new lore paints him as a primal eldritch demigod whose worshippers turn into horrific abominations, so he isn't just a thunder polar bear in the lore anymore.(the picture above is actually from official universe site and depicts volibears worshippers).
Eggbread (NA)
: I think the things Volibear creates could function as LoL's Wendigo. A horrific fusion of a bear and a human that are drawn to fight. Edit: Like... https://universe-meeps.leagueoflegends.com/v1/assets/images/udyr_ritual_story.jpg Thats pretty Wendigo without getting extremely disgusting.
Yeah now that Volibear isn't an ursine anymore, but their creator, I'd say that it could be nice to get an actual ursine champion in the game and I feel like a Wendigolike horror would fit that quite well because it's unlikely that we'd get another bear champ (granted a Panda might be still possible, but that wouldn't fit the ursine).
: So I know this is a long shot, but is it possible Nidalee is Killash? She transforms into a cougar which is a feline (Rengar is a feline). And then that begs the question: was one of Nidalee's parents Killash (again, in this case, feline)? If they were and they didn't know, this would explain why Nidalee was abandoned. But, as another possiblity, what if her mother wasn't aware of having been Killash and, after an infant Nidalee transformed into a young cougar cub, Nidalee was abandoned in that dense forest because that's where her parents met after her mother was rescued by her father. And Nidalee's mother knew her father would watch over the young child as if drawn by maternal instinct (or in this case, Killash instict)? It's a long shot but it does explain a few things but new questions will need answers. Thoughts? Or am I just losing my mind?
She is likely half-kiilash as it was noted that half-human-vastaya hybrids tend to be shapeshifters, which is exactly what Nidalee is doing(also she herself isn't counted as a vastaya on the universe page, so she is definitely not a full one). And judging by Rengar the kiilash are based on big cats, so one of Nidalees parents was probably a vastaya in the form of a cougar-human.
: Question for Narrative team regarding Zeds 1st Pupil
I wouldn't count on this still being canon. Overall I'd say it was most likely planned for Akali to be Zeds former student(after all she is the "fist of shadow"), but that wouldn't make any sense given Akalis new lore.
: Ascended Power levels
{{champion:101}} is easily the strongest ascended given that he defeated Nasus with ease and his entire plan was about absorbing more celestial power than a regular ascended. Next would be {{champion:266}} because I remember them confirming that if he has enough bodies to work with he could actually overpower Xerath, so while he is not always in a state where he is more powerful he certainly has the ability to achieve one. After those 2 I'd say {{champion:268}} might be the most powerful as we've seen him raise an army and a city out of the sand, though I think that his powers are limited to Shuriman territory, making him extremely op in shurima, but he'd likely end up as the weakest ascended outside of it. After those I'd say {{champion:75}} & {{champion:58}} are next since they are ascended warriors who still wield their full power. I guess that {{champion:110}} & Rhaast are the weakest of the bunch since they lack their (almost) immortal bodies and they aren't as powerful as aatrox either. However if these 2 were in their prime, they would likely be even stronger than Nasus and Renekton, as they were so powerful that even the aspects didn't know how to kill them.
: > [{quoted}](name=GreenLore,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=0sjkxOtm,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-07-09T12:57:55.741+0000) > > Uhm he did get a new Bio and color story already, that changed him from a former summoner apprentice who set himself on fire as a protest against the noxians and who refused to use his magic, to a monk who has a deep connection to the dragon spirit and who burned his own body, when he did channel this spirit in the battle against the noxians. > > While the end result is basically the same, I'd say that this was actually a remarkable change in his story that lore change has NOTHING to do with the VO update. it's been updated forever now
I was referring specifically to this remark of the opener: > Hell, his story is one of the few that was barely changed over the years
: The only other new VO we can expect soon is Malzahar.
> Just a little PSA to everyone posting "[champion] doesn't have enough voice lines" threads. The Lee Sin VO has nothing to do with any story updates or the like. Hell, his story is one of the few that was barely changed over the years Uhm he did get a new Bio and color story already, that changed him from a former summoner apprentice who set himself on fire as a protest against the noxians and who refused to use his magic, to a monk who has a deep connection to the dragon spirit and who burned his own body, when he did channel this spirit in the battle against the noxians. While the end result is basically the same, I'd say that this was actually a remarkable change in his story
Blåsigt (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=GreenLore,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=d5n4RmeF,comment-id=000400010000,timestamp=2019-07-07T23:43:18.843+0000) > > Kassadin wears a suit(or at least a helmet and a robe, dunno why he runs around topless) and was heavily corrupted by the void(in the old lore he went directly into the void, while the new one doesn't explain anything). > > Meanwhile Kai'Sa was simply trapped in a cave with void monsters, never coming into contact with the void itself and thus not getting corrupted.(though her looking so hot while living as an outcast even after she came out of the cave is rather silly). But she was corrupted - her suit is a symbiotically attached to her. I think they really missed the mark with her overall look - she should definitely look more alien.
The suit is attached to her, but contact with a voidborn doesn't automatically corrupt you. If you'd pet Kog'maw you wouldn't start to mutate and your mind wouldn't start to deteriorate. So her not being corrupted does make sense to a certain degree. That being said I agree that they missed the mark with her design. She is supposed to look like a survivor and like an outcast, whose mere appearance frightens people, but her design doesn't convey these aspects of her character at all. Even if the suit wouldn't cause the typical void corruption, it would still make sense for it to fuse with her flesh in ways that look alien and unsettling, instead of looking like a bodysuit that shows a lot of cleavage.
Blåsigt (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=4 Step Cadence,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=d5n4RmeF,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-07-06T20:03:18.981+0000) > > Evelynn is. She doesn't actually have sex with her victims, she just uses her charm to lure them in. She also has no sexual organs, so there's that. Riot confirmed this. > > Other than that and the obvious, I'm not sure. > > Edit: Azir isn't. I'm pretty sure Sivir is like his great great x100 granddaughter or something like that, yeah? > Kassadin isn't, because isn't Kai'Sa his daughter? > Illaoi and GP aren't. They had a thing. Not to digress from the discussion, but how is Kaisai this seemingly normal looking hot woman and Kassidin is a crab man?
Kassadin wears a suit(or at least a helmet and a robe, dunno why he runs around topless) and was heavily corrupted by the void(in the old lore he went directly into the void, while the new one doesn't explain anything). Meanwhile Kai'Sa was simply trapped in a cave with void monsters, never coming into contact with the void itself and thus not getting corrupted.(though her looking so hot while living as an outcast even after she came out of the cave is rather silly).
: Zilean and Jax need a slight VO to adept their lore
the big problem I see with this is that these 2 champs would really profit from a big VGU, so riot likely wants to avoid a scenario where they update them now and have to update them again in a few years.
: Frejlord is the mountain region itself and Shurima is the desert. The affiliation is irrelevant. It is not the avarosa, frostguard, etc. People in the Frejlord/ Shurima have their differences in attitude, but the culture isn't different like Piltover and Zaun... We don't know much about Ixtal, but its my opinion that the jungle life is def different from Wakanda.
And Ixtal isn't just the name of the city, its the name of the whole region. Ixacoan is the name of the capital.
: Ixtal is a nation that happens to be in the jungle. Its civilized.
It also keeps check on the surrounding areas. I mean Gnar is counted as a Freljord Champ too, even though he is not part of any of the freljord tribes. Skarner is a shurima champ even though he has no connection to the city of Shurima,etc. So why wouldn't the uncivilized parts of the jungle also count for Ixtal?
: Varus and Miss Fortune were said to be HIGHEST PRIORITY for a VO Updates and then Lee Sin get's one
There are several possibilities as for why they chose Lee for this: 1. Lee might get an ultimate skin this year, so of course his VAs would be called in for a recording.They actually did this for Luxs Voice-update and tried this for MF(though the response to this attempt wasn't so good, so that one was scrapped). 2.They tried to update Varus and MF and it simply didn't work, so they chose someone else 3.Lees VAs were simply easier accessible than the VAs for other champs, I mean some of the VA for Varus or MF could be dead. That being said, I hope that this could also mean that more VO-updates will be released.
Tomoe Gozen (EUNE)
: Oh yeah. So far, this could mean that they might be an "an enemy of the state", given what Sylas is to Demacia. If i can just speculate for a bit, these shapes on the wall representing Ixtal are on a pretty simple stone wall while the entire ixtal is regal looking when it comes to the materials and build quality. So these might be the underground passages, tunnels or even dungeons. Not to mention that the mysterious champion itself has a pretty dark, smoky ability - almost reminiscent of Zed's shadow magic. And who knows, Zed's shadow magic might be traced back to Ixtal as the ground zero.
Personally I believe the ability in the teaser is a mix of dark and light magic(which could both count as elemental magic). Given that Riot once had a concept for Lucian using a light and a dark gun I could imagine that they reused this concept for the new champ. Heck while we are on the topic of tracing back the magic of other champs to Ixtal I could imagine that Lucians guns could be traced back to that place as well.
: It's just my opinion, so don't flip, but I'm pretty sure Kumungu and Ixtal are _still _ different places. If you think about it, Piltover and Zaun are, literally, on top of each other. This also might upset you, but to assume something is "basically the same" just because they're next to each other is severely poor reasoning all around. It's safe to say that Zyra and Nidalee aren't allied to Ixtal nor are they casually strolling down their streets. What about Rengar? Does he go shopping in the market and pay his taxes on time? Obviously, not. He's a vastayan predator.
The thing is that every faction has its own flavor. Piltover and Zaun might be sitting on top of each other, but their whole culture is vastly different, with Piltover being much more steam-punk and high-class, while Zaun is more in the direction of chempunk, with an emphasis on punk. What differentiates Kumungu so much from Ixtal? Ixtal is a jungle faction and Kumungu is another jungle faction. I'm not flipping out here, I'm merely asking why you think that Kumungu has somehting to offer that Ixtal doesn't have.
Pale Mask (EUW)
: Aatrox is by far the most powerful of the Darkin, a being stated to have killed spirit gods before. Despite his tremendous power, Aatrox can defeat Mordekaiser with a large enough supply of bodies regardless of the presence of Mordekaiser's army. More importantly, Aatrox may have a way to permanently slay Mordekaiser by severing him from Mitna Rachnun; as he says himself, he does not bring "death", but "oblivion". And no, Mordekaiser can certainly not take on all of the five remaining Darkin by himself at once. And no, _Mordekaiser can most definitely not survive the Void_. Don't overestimate his capabilities.
> [{quoted}](name=Pale Mask,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=8k3Y3zUE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-03T16:54:31.821+0000) > > Aatrox can defeat Mordekaiser with a large enough supply of bodies regardless of the presence of Mordekaiser's army. The funny thing here is that if there just happened to be an army close to them it might be possible for both Aatrox and Mordekaiser making good use of it during the battle. As Aatrox could absorb the flesh of the soldiers, while Morde could enslave their souls. Eitherway I agree that if Aatrox gets enough bodies, then he'd be able to defeat Morde, but I doubt that he could beat Morde if he was limited to only a few bodies.
: I honestly was hoping for, well... Not more humans. We only have 2 factions that aren't humans(Bandle City and the Void), and given the fact that Runeterra is home to some pretty incredible things, I think Ixtal had a lot more potential in that regard.
Honestly I feel like Riot is for some reason really afraid to introduce non-human civilizations. I mean all the non-human beings in LoL either have no real civilization(like the void or spirits) or their civilization gets barely any focus (like the minotaurs, vastaya tribes and even the yordles, since the bandle update didn't give us a clear picture of bandle city itself). And a lot of non-human races were retconned into being transformed humans anyway. So I was also hoping that Ixtal would turn out to be a faction inhabited by non-human beings(like vastaya)
: I honestly think Kumungu should be its own faction seperate from Ixtal.
Why though? We have Ixtal a faction that lives in a jungle and then we have Kumungu, a jungle that sits right next to Ixtal, that is basically their territory as well.... It'd be kinda redundant to have 2 jungle factions that are located next to each other.
: New Mordekaiser Interaction in the Twisted Treeline
Well in general there is no reason why the altars special quotes should only target champs related to the shadow isles. I mean a lot of champs have special lines for certain champs even if they don't have a real connection to them simply on the basis of "what-if-these-2-met?". The altars can still comment on Mordes character even if he isn't related to them. That being said its likely that Riot simply didn't care about changing these lines for him.
Jaspers (EUW)
: One note is that Corki is no longer a Piltover Yordle, he's Bandle City. I think this is Riots way of having a Yordle per region. Which gives me a little fear that they will be making them more fae like where they are influenced by their regions instead of being beings in their own right. Also, the Heimerdinger Journal, while a nice read, is very old, is it wrong to assume he'll get a new story at some point?
> [{quoted}](name=Jaspers,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=z6XxcFKE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-02T15:43:46.896+0000) > > Also, the Heimerdinger Journal, while a nice read, is very old, is it wrong to assume he'll get a new story at some point? I wouldn't say wrong, but not necessarily needed either. Overall while it is very likely that his color story will be replaced eventually I'd say it is better to just go by what we have, not what we think is likely here, because you can never be sure what Riot eventually does.
ImP Shot (NA)
: The Fall of Shrima an Accident
From what I understood the destruction of Shurima was merely a side effect of Xeraths ritual. Xerath manipulated the ritual in a way to give him waaay more power than a regular ascended, the destruction of the city was apparently just a side effect of him channeling so much magic. After the destruction the remaining ascended tried to become the new rulers of the world, which eventually led to the creation of the darkin, hence why I'd suggest you to read the darkin related lore(most importantly {{champion:266}} and maybe {{champion:110}} )
Tomoe Gozen (EUNE)
: Teaser for the next champion? You mean that "rune magic" Marskman? I haven't seen any Ixaocan symbols there. Care to point me in the right direction?
Here is the post that I'm referring to https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/ntyTAv0z-detail-in-the-next-champions-teaser Basically the shape of the symbol in the background matches with the shape of the City of Ixtal pretty well.
FSRER (EUNE)
: Your 4th point contradicts with Galio's entire exsistence. Petricite, based on Galio's...exsistance, can indeed hold unlimited energy. But that might as well be something that Riot has messed up in lore and not a real contradiction.
Galio likely consumes the magic when he moves, preventing the petricite that makes up his body from overloading. After all, if he didn't consume the magic in some way then he would never run out of power.
: Ixaocan's reveal was uneventful and anticlimactic :/
I actually think that they might have saved something for later. Someone on the boards here noticed that the symbol on the teaser for the next champion matches up with Ixacoan, so Qiyana might be simply the setup for a bigger event.
: > [{quoted}](name=RyzeTheSmurfMage,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=IsukVNG5,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-01T19:26:05.248+0000) > > Xerath at his weakest was slowly winning against Renekton AND Nasus teaming up at their strongest. > Do the math Xerath was at his weakest then? I thought he was at his strongest, having freshly had an overcharged ascension without the coffin reducing his power
The moment the battle between Xerath and the 2 brothers began they put the coffin onto him, so Xerath not only didn't have any experience with his new powers, but he was limited right away. Now Xerath had plenty of time to get used to his powers, so he is likely even more powerful than before.
RougeKat (EUW)
: About Sona's lore...
Sona never received an updated lore, so she should definitely on Riots "to-do-list". That being said, I wonder what aspects of Sonas lore will be changed and which will remain. I mean, the biological children of Sonas adoptive mother were killed in Quinns new lore, so it looks like Riot is planning to keep Sona as the adoptive child of a demacian noble family. However Demacia and Ionia are quite far away in the new lore, so its questionable if she remains an ionian, but then again she appears in ionia in the awaken-trailer, so she'll likely keep some connection to Ionia. However the biggest question is how Riot is planning to handle her Etwahl. I mean that thing is undeniably magical, but that doesn't make much sense for a demacian.
: There's too much disconnect between Piltover/Zaun, and Bilgewater.
They seem to be plundering mostly noxians and ionians. Remember that Piltover doesn't sell their weaponry and gadgets to others, so there won't be that many ships equipped with them (heck it might even be illegal to take hextech devices out of Piltover)
Galiö (NA)
: Except for the plot hole of the first time he came alive and knew exactly what was going on and who's side he was on.
You know, he likely became sentient long before he was first able to move. Meaning that he had plenty of time to grow attached to the demacians before his first fight.
: Riot shouldn't be afraid to kill off champions for the sake of lore
Honestly I don't think that Riot has really a problem with killing off champions in general, in fact when the lore retcon happened they even said that they can now kill off champions in the lore. That being said, rushing the deaths of champs would be just a waste of potential. I mean imagine if Gp had stayed dead at the end of burning tides, then that would have wasted any future storypotential with him, despite the fact that we barely got to know him.
: Like you said Jhin is also insane and there's ample proof to show that in the present day we treat mental health patients with more leniency than the average cold-hearted criminals. He has an excuse in that regard. Qiyana is sound of mind but chooses to be arrogant and dismissive of the lives that she is supposed to be responsible which is why on a human level people can't relate to her.
Again that doesn't excuse pre-undeath Morde and Hecarim who were just as bad back then as they are now.
: > [{quoted}](name=crippler38,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dzjHTimX,comment-id=0000000000000001,timestamp=2019-06-25T22:51:45.812+0000) > > Imagine rooting for literally world ending and inhuman monsters more than her. > > {{champion:266}} {{champion:82}} {{champion:17}} {{champion:136}} {{champion:141}} {{champion:110}} Thats' just the thing though. Inhumane. It's harder to turn your nose up at monsters, the undead and eldritch gods (and whatever foul force compels Teemo to act). Humans look down on other humans for denying their own humanity. Same concept as the uncanny valley, but applies to moral relativism instead of empathy.
Well to be fair {{champion:82}} and {{champion:120}} were pretty evil before they became undead. Also there is still {{champion:202}} one of the most popular champs of the entire game and he is a complete psychopath who tortures, mutilates and kills people for "art" and who is confirmed to be a human.
: Where is my Leviathan Aurelion Sol Skin?
In general I feel like Sol has so much potential for skins that go unnoticed. I mean he is the only champ in the game with such a serpentine body(sorry {{champion:69}}, but your upper half is too sexy), which gives the possibility for tons of skins(like skins inspired by mythological dragons, snakes or gods), that only he could pull off, yet Riot keeps ignoring him...
: Any being with a unique racial feature/advantage over even the most impressive human seems fairly redundant. Ascension for a Vastaya would be like putting a hat on a hat, so to speak.
Ascension still grants a massive boost in power though. It wouldn't be like putting a hat on a hat, it would be like turning a pistol into a rocket launcher. I mean compare the magical powers of the vastaya-champions (shapeshifting, throwing magical orbs, having knife like feathers), with the feats of the ascended(raising an army and a whole city from the sand, aging someone to death and being so powerful that even the aspects didn't know how to kill some of them). Also it was confirmed by a rioter that the form of the ascension is based on the persons mind, so the shurimans all turn into animal-human-hybrids because they have a lot of animal symbolism in their culture (for example jackals are likely a symbol of wisdom). So if someone from a different culture were to ascend, then they might not look animalistic at all.
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: The idea of expanding the triad to include a fourth member has come up before, with the most common additions being [sadism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadistic_personality_disorder) and [BPD](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borderline_personality_disorder). Cassiopeia could fit these with her callous murder, torture and treachery of others both for personal gain and just because she feels like it. She's not one of the leaders of the Black Rose, however; she's only one of their pawns.
Well we don't know really how much influence Vlad and Elise have within the black rose either. Elise seems to be more like a business partner of the rose(with her getting some sacrifices for her spider god in exchange for artifacts from the shadow isles) and Vlad seems to do whatever he wants.
Pale Mask (EUW)
: A small observation
Sooo what about {{champion:69}} who is now also a member of the black rose?
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