: Permabanning Ahri
She has weaknesses: 1- She is the most ult reliant champion in the game and useless without her ult which has long cd. 2- Her AP ratios are really low compared to other AP assassins or mages. 3- She relies on hitting her skillshots and her damage is too weak if she misses her charm. 4- Has one of the weakest passives in the game. (ms passive not her heal from Q) 5- Her W is also one of the weakest abilities in the game. 6- Has low DPS. 7- Easily countered by tanks/MR/HP. 8- Squishy. 9- Immobile without her long cd ult. 10- Low mana pool.
: Did everyone all 12 watch and earn quests?
No. They are too boring to watch. But you don't have to watch them to complete the missions.
kμrayami (EUW)
: lethality items suck as much as your player base and thats sad af
{{item:3155}} {{champion:238}} {{item:3155}} {{champion:157}} {{item:3155}} Ever heard of mana or {{item:3155}} ? Try to play a mid laner other than {{champion:238}} {{champion:157}} and see how it's painful to lane against a manaless AD champion without mana sustain. {{item:3155}} {{champion:238}} {{item:3155}} {{champion:157}} {{item:3155}}
Yago (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=HP Crookshanks,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3AmsAAeW,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-03-16T20:12:55.436+0000) > > {{item:3174}} was a decent item when it had +20% cdr and mana regen was more common. Now it's a terrible item because it's stats are really weak and healing is not noticeable at all. It would be great if it came back as first item alternative to {{item:3285}} for mages because they keep building the same items over and over now. Lulu's E at level 7 provides a shield of 175 + 60% Ability Power. Athene's Unholy Grail will heal for up to 152 at that same level. That's...nearly doubling what the ability does. Athene's Unholy Grail also scales with heal and shield power, so it will actually be able to recover up to 120 to 300 health if you have both Ardent Censer and Redemption.
You have to gain charges in order to heal and all charges are consumed when you heal/shield someone. To gain charges you have to deal damage. Healing/shielding supports ({{champion:432}} {{champion:427}} {{champion:40}} {{champion:117}} {{champion:267}} {{champion:37}} {{champion:16}} ) deal decent damage at early game to gain charges but you should build {{item:3174}} at mid or late game and that time it's hard to gain charges with them. Mages with shields ({{champion:43}} {{champion:99}} {{champion:25}} {{champion:61}} ) can gain charges easier with their long ranged damaging abilities but it's not worth to build {{item:3174}} when you can build better items. (except for {{champion:43}} ) I think {{champion:43}} is the most suitable champion for {{item:3174}} because it synergizes well with her kit. But sadly she is also weak for a long time.
Nhifu (NA)
: Athene's needs shield + heal power
{{item:3174}} was a decent item when it had +20% cdr and mana regen was more common. Now it's a terrible item because it's stats are really weak and healing is not noticeable at all. It would be great if it came back as first item alternative to {{item:3285}} for mages because they keep building the same items over and over now.
: Ive tried playing Zed into her. Literally impossible to farm and poke her at the same time, you either waste Q farming or take tons of dmg autoing minions, and she just shields the dmg I can do with WEQ combo. Also once her zhonias is done, bye bye ever killing Orianna. And in the long range champs department, who plays Ziggs in 2019? That champ is forgotten. Xerath is my only option and im not particularly good at him.
I agree {{champion:115}} is forgotten and there is no reason to play him over {{champion:101}} . But {{champion:161}} is another good long ranged option against {{champion:61}} . Also {{champion:238}} 's ult has really short cd (120 / 90 / 60) and can be reduced buy cdr compared to {{item:3157}} (120).
: How do I play vs Orianna?
She is immobile and really squishy also she can't win auto trades against AD champions so try {{champion:126}} or {{champion:236}} against her. Build {{item:3155}} . {{champion:161}} and {{champion:101}} are also good counters.
JuiceBoxP (EUNE)
: Champions i could pick up next?
Half of the champions you play as support are also decent mid laners. ({{champion:63}} {{champion:99}} {{champion:25}} ) AP champions are usually bad duelers because they can easily be shut down by building magic resist but they can duel 1v1 if the enemy has low MR. {{champion:145}} and {{champion:67}} are strong dueler markswomen but their early game is weak. {{champion:236}} is marksman-bruiser hybrid, really strong dueler, has great early game and can snowball hard when he got some early kills.
: Morgana Mid versus Support
I think her kit is more suited for mid lane because of her self only sustain, damage/wave clear on W and high AP ratios. But Riot is really lazy to update her uninteractive and outdated kit to compete with the new and flashy mid laners and chooses to nerf her when she is decent in mid lane so she's mostly played as a support.
: whats the point of armor/magic resist again?
Magic resist is useful if the enemy team has an AP champion (even more useful if there are multiple APs) but I agree armor is completely trash even when the enemy comp is full AD.
: New Morganna icon.
Also Ahri {{champion:103}} {{champion:25}} {{champion:134}} {{champion:145}}
: Oh my god the logical gymnastics in this thread is so fucking stupid. A champion is overpowered, but we shouldn't nerf her because **YOU** want to see her successful mid? That's not biased, clearly! Let everyone suffer because Morg is overpowered because you want her to be played mid.
What I meant to say is her mid play rate is too low to consider her as overpowered.
: She has a large enough playrate for a nerf to be warranted. the only time riot holds back on nerfs is when the champion's playrate is extremely small. Her playrate is slightly above average.
Her play rate is only high as support not mid. She can't build too much AP as support so the nerf won't be noticeable for {{champion:25}} support while AP is too valuable for {{champion:25}} mid.
Rioter Comments
: AS ENCHANTER MAIN I AM DISGUSTED BY THE STATE OF GAME AND HOW BALANCE WORKS
{{champion:25}} is a good mid laner right now but sadly she's going to get nerfed next patch. {{champion:43}} {{champion:25}} and {{champion:518}} are mages not enchanters by the way.
: Melee is almost a benefit now.
And much better base stats/stat growths especially magic resist.
: Enchanters have absolutely zero skill expression
At least they require a brain to play unlike smashing your head to the keyboard to get kill with some braindead champions. Also {{champion:43}} is not even an enchanter and she is one of the weakest mage for months.
: please make a 1 vs 1 ranked queue
Then everyone would play bruisers or AD assassins {{champion:266}} {{champion:164}} {{champion:114}} {{champion:104}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:126}} {{champion:141}} {{champion:121}} {{champion:240}} {{champion:64}} {{champion:236}} {{champion:11}} {{champion:56}} {{champion:80}} {{champion:555}} {{champion:58}} {{champion:107}} {{champion:92}} {{champion:91}} {{champion:23}} {{champion:5}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:238}} and no one picks AP champions ({{item:3155}} is OP) / tanks / supports. ({{champion:104}} and {{champion:236}} are bruisers)
: Orianna
{{champion:157}} Don't expect to {{champion:238}} win the lane by only {{champion:157}} yourself as a mage {{champion:238}} unless your enemy is {{champion:157}} an another mage. {{champion:238}}
: Top 10 most annoying champions to play against
1 {{champion:157}} 2 {{champion:238}} 3 {{champion:64}} 4 {{champion:236}} 5 {{champion:105}} 6 {{champion:53}} 7 {{champion:202}} 8 {{champion:101}} 9 {{champion:245}} 10 {{champion:29}}
Thilmer (EUW)
: Armour is bullshit
Armor is useless. That's why full AD comps are so popular.
Rioter Comments
: Then what's the point of having a separate queue? If you're matched against the same people no matter the queue, you can't try new stuff, you can't learn new positions. If you're matched based on your Ranked MMR, why play in Normals at all? Just play in Ranked and have it count for real.
You can't try new stuff nor learn new positions if all of your teammates are unranked-gold while the enemies are all plat/dia/master.
: Then what do you based match-making around in Normals? Nothing at all, just random people together?
Rioter Comments
: Can we please for the love of God change how match making works in normals?
Arcade Lulu (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Kàzzy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YVV0BAzw,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-02-19T00:53:48.299+0000) > > who cares about kayle when MORG IS SO HOT The only thing i'm sad about is how morgana's skirt will be gone I really love her current skirt
But her current skirt looks like a tent... {{sticker:sg-zephyr}}
: why so MANY YASUOS in normal games?
Some Yasuo mains play normal games just to play their beloved champion because that cancer is almost always banned in ranked games.
: Mejai's soulstealer is becoming an essential item on mages
Mages? {{champion:141}} {{champion:121}} {{champion:56}} {{champion:555}} {{champion:107}} {{champion:35}} {{champion:91}} {{champion:238}} {{item:3147}} {{item:3814}} {{item:3142}} {{item:3155}} {{item:3111}} {{item:3140}}
FSRER (EUNE)
: 12 year old who does not know a thing about league whatsoever and some i guess "serious" players actually upvoted this thread.
I was being sarcastic.
Rioter Comments
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: February 15
Please put {{champion:43}} 's current passive to her R and give her a real passive.
: I adcize to stop listening to riot about everything. And think for yourself or now you are going to call: {{champion:412}} {{champion:53}} and others, hookers? Hahahah Riot also classifies Diana as a "diver". Gee I wonder what's the win rate for diver/ap bruiser Diana.... Hint she's an assassin the moment you stop playing her as one, your win rate will drop below 50% unless you are better than the enemies, basically surfing. Morgana is a mage, a mage that supports her team. Similar to Oriana, or karma or lulu or lux. she does damage, she provides cc and she can protect herself or her allies. Riot made up classes and identities themselves they can put whatever they want in whatever class. That doesn't mean they are right.
{{champion:53}} {{champion:412}} can be classified as tanks/vanguards/wardens. {{champion:131}} is a diver instead of an assassin because she lacks escape/disengage but there is no AP bruiser itemization so she builds same as AP assassins and has similar burst. There is a big difference between {{champion:25}} {{champion:61}} {{champion:43}} {{champion:99}} (mages) and {{champion:40}} {{champion:117}} {{champion:267}} {{champion:37}} {{champion:16}} (supports). {{champion:25}} {{champion:61}} {{champion:43}} {{champion:99}} have only one ability that helps their teammates and also have some cc but their main job is dealing damage to the enemy and they are decent duelers. {{champion:43}} and {{champion:25}} also have self only sustain. {{champion:40}} {{champion:117}} {{champion:267}} {{champion:37}} {{champion:16}} have minor damage and they are weak duelers. They are strong when there are other teammates to support near them because all of their abilities have utility and/or cc. Their sustain is also not self only and can heal their teammates.
: > [{quoted}](name=HP Crookshanks,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EpjYstZ5,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-02-13T13:11:12.075+0000) > > They gave up on Morgana's W and passive update and her R is also unfitting to an immobile and squishy mage like Morgana. Her kit is clearly outdated along with Karma. Because both of them don't have any identity. Morgana doesn't have any identity? Is that a joke?
Then what is she? Riot made up a class called 'catcher' and classified her as a catcher because they couldn't find anything to give her and everyone that has checked champion profiles/stats knows that Riot is terrible at classifying champions. Many champion can be classified as a catcher like {{champion:103}} {{champion:12}} {{champion:32}} {{champion:34}} {{champion:1}} {{champion:22}} {{champion:136}} {{champion:164}} {{champion:60}} {{champion:7}} {{champion:89}} {{champion:127}} {{champion:99}} {{champion:54}} {{champion:90}} {{champion:57}} etc. and many of them even better cathcers than {{champion:25}} .
Antenora (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=HP Crookshanks,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EpjYstZ5,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-14T00:25:47.994+0000) > > {{champion:30}} is going to get nerfed like {{champion:63}} and {{champion:143}} . > How often do you see {{champion:74}} {{champion:115}} {{champion:34}} {{champion:90}} {{champion:101}} {{champion:99}} are picked or banned? {{champion:157}} and {{champion:236}} are picked/banned in almost every game. > {{champion:103}} is more like an assassin than a mage but still {{champion:157}} and {{champion:236}} are ten times more popular than her. Ahri's a Mage.
She is assassin/mage hybrid. That's why she's a popular pick in mid lane despite being a mage.
: {{champion:161}} {{champion:63}} {{champion:143}} are basically the strongest supports {{champion:30}} jng is still busted af {{champion:74}} {{champion:115}} bot is still a thing. and for mid {{champion:103}} {{champion:34}} {{champion:90}} {{champion:101}} {{champion:99}} all have >52% wr (where are the _"Riot's bias towards Ahri, Anivia etc. really annoys me"_ posts there?), but there are much more viable.
{{champion:30}} is going to get nerfed like {{champion:63}} and {{champion:143}} . How often do you see {{champion:74}} {{champion:115}} {{champion:34}} {{champion:90}} {{champion:101}} {{champion:99}} are picked or banned? {{champion:157}} and {{champion:236}} are picked/banned in almost every game. {{champion:103}} is more like an assassin than a mage but still {{champion:157}} and {{champion:236}} are ten times more popular than her.
: Yasuo
Yasuo deserves more nerfs than this but Riot is determined to keep their poster boy strong.
: Morgana's kit is basically fine tho. They said they're updating her W and passive. Her Q E and R are all fine. Also bias towards Yasuo lmao.
They gave up on Morgana's W and passive update and her R is also unfitting to an immobile and squishy mage like Morgana. Her kit is clearly outdated along with Karma. Because both of them don't have any identity.
Rioter Comments
: The Karma Rework Doesn't Solve a Problem
I thought they gave up on that support Karma rework. It's so sad for mid and top Karma. I hate it when they push mages like {{champion:43}} {{champion:25}} {{champion:143}} etc. into support role only. {{sticker:sg-ahri-1}}
: Maxing W vs Q
His Q has really low base damage compared to his W so maxing W is more effective.
: Shaco Should be AP
Why build AP when AD items are much stronger than AP items?
ExxonV (NA)
: So Yasuo is finally ACTUALLY broken now...
{{champion:157}} is Riot's poster boy and he's always been broken with his 2 passives, no resource, no cooldowns, insane life steal and OP wind wall.
: I had 4 mr items vs a full ap comp and i still died in 4 seconds.
If you had 4 armor items against full AD comp you couldn't even survive for 2 seconds.
: > [{quoted}](name=HP Crookshanks,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OZBmyYTp,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-02-10T19:14:05.977+0000) > > AP champions need more % magic pen not flat magic pen. Nah, stacking %pen with void is far too huge and can't say we need a 2nd void staff option when void is super powerful in stats and gold efficient. The only problem with pen itemization is mages flat pen are tied to boots which limits their itemization options, and morello which other then orb, is a situational item to finish due to only gaining grevious wounds.
Champions that have no MR get one shot by AP champions while high MR champions take almost no damage from them. Difference between low MR and high MR is huge because only % magic pen item is {{item:3135}} and it is not enough when enemy builds {{item:3155}} {{item:3111}} {{item:3194}} {{item:3065}} .
: I just wish there was an alternative to morellonomicon, the passives could be the same unique for all I care. Don't need grevious wounds that often.
AP champions need more % magic pen not flat magic pen.
: Why is lucian immune to nerfs ?
I would say many Rioters main {{champion:236}} if they played their own game.
Görgoroth (EUNE)
: Hexdrinker is too strong in early.
You are right {{item:3155}} grants too much stats for only 1300 gold but prepare to be downvoted because majority of boards are AD mains and most of them deny how OP is {{item:3155}} .
: how is armor useless ? if mages are so over tuned and their items are wouldnt MR be the most useless stat?
Single MR item is enough to shut down mages while even 300 armor is not enough against AD champions.
: {{item:3003}} {{item:3102}} {{item:3151}} {{item:3100}} {{item:3285}} {{item:3152}} {{item:3146}} {{item:3030}} {{item:3165}} {{item:3115}} {{item:3041}} {{item:3089}} {{item:2065}} {{item:3116}} {{item:3135}} {{item:3173}} {{item:3040}} you dropped a few here
You also missed some AP items because almost no one builds them that's why I didn't include items like {{item:3030}} {{item:3115}} {{item:3174}} {{item:3003}} {{item:3905}} {{item:2065}} {{item:3907}} same with AD {{item:3022}} {{item:3087}} .
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