: Morgana is a problem.
So {{champion:25}} is a problem but {{champion:53}} {{champion:111}} {{champion:555}} {{champion:412}} are not?
Ekuro (NA)
: Skilled Champs vs. Braindead Champs
{{champion:115}} has the hardest skill shot to land in the game (Q) and all of his abilites are skill shots. I don't think he is braindead. Real braindead champions are {{champion:107}} {{champion:91}} {{champion:238}} etc. who get kills just by smashing their heads to the keyboard and doesn't even need to land their skill shots.
: the problem with AP bruiser items is that most mages can (and probably would) pick them up, and it would become a nightmare for the balancing team. NO ONE wants to hear MORE bitching on these boards. we already have enough of that.
AD assassins {{champion:141}} {{champion:121}} {{champion:64}} {{champion:56}} {{champion:555}} {{champion:107}} {{champion:91}} {{champion:238}} are building {{item:3071}} but no one is complaining about it.
: If we had AP bruiser items, Diana wouldn't be building full burst mage items
: The top 10 most played champs in mid lane: {{champion:157}} {{champion:517}} {{champion:103}} {{champion:238}} {{champion:61}} {{champion:7}} {{champion:4}} {{champion:91}} {{champion:142}} {{champion:39}} So that's: 2 Fighters 2 AD assassins 1 AP assassin 5 Mages Mages are *still* the statistical most likely pick for mid lane. Stop lying. Also, let's stop pretending that other champions were never played in mid lane. They always have been.
Also, let's stop pretending that {{champion:157}} and {{champion:238}} are mostly banned. Some mages have higher pick rate than some assassins/bruisers just because no one bans mages. If bans didn't exist, {{champion:157}} and {{champion:238}} would be picked in almost every game. Popularity = Pick Rate + Ban Rate {{champion:157}} : _**64.3%**_ {{champion:238}} : _**60.9%**_ {{champion:8}} : 35.1% {{champion:84}} : 33% {{champion:517}} : 26.1% {{champion:39}} : 24% {{champion:7}} : 23.9% {{champion:103}} : 18% Each mage ({{champion:34}} {{champion:1}} {{champion:136}} {{champion:268}} etc.) has 0-10% popularity. {{champion:103}} is also an assassin (partly a mage). If she were just an immobile mage her pick rate would be much lower like any other mage. You should figure out why assassins and bruisers are banned but mages are not.
GankLord (NA)
: Riot pushing champions into other roles
I miss the times when mages were played in mid lane. {{champion:1}} {{champion:63}} {{champion:74}} {{champion:43}} {{champion:30}} {{champion:99}} {{champion:25}} {{champion:50}} {{champion:161}} {{champion:115}} {{champion:143}} Now mid lane is dominated by overloaded bruisers and assassins. {{champion:157}} {{champion:238}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:91}}
: Best 1v1 champion in ARAM?
{{champion:238}} {{champion:236}} {{champion:126}} {{champion:80}} {{champion:133}}
Rioter Comments
: Riot needs a defensive item besides GA for adcs
PRoxy oQ (EUNE)
: Why is she only assassin without escape ?
: Why pick a mage when you just can pick Irelia mid ?
: Did Riot change ARAM matchmaking system in patch 9.8?
ARAM matchmaking is same as Normal matchmaking so it's terrible too.
: no because AP champs have ludens, an incredibly broken item and huge power spike compared to ANY adc item
{{item:3285}} is the stongest AP item but it can't be considered broken when {{item:3155}} and {{item:3147}} exist.
JuiceBoxP (EUNE)
: 95% of my games have AP champions. What are you actually on about? stop trolling with your troll account on the boards
Top 20 most picked champions are {{champion:145}} {{champion:81}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:412}} {{champion:64}} {{champion:111}} {{champion:99}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:59}} {{champion:222}} {{champion:236}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:25}} {{champion:120}} {{champion:267}} {{champion:51}} {{champion:202}} {{champion:92}} {{champion:141}} .Only 3 of them AP. One of them is support ({{champion:267}} ) and rest of them are mages that mostly played as supports ({{champion:99}} {{champion:25}} ). {{champion:238}} is not on the list because of his insane ban rate. He is the biggest reason why full AD comps are so popular along with {{champion:157}} . And the thread is not about rarity of AP champions, it's about how weak are HP and armor runes. Please learn to read before calling people troll.
JuiceBoxP (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=HP Crookshanks,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4djQpAVf,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-05-08T11:50:28.213+0000) > AP champions are rarely played. {{sticker:sg-lux-2}}
Have you ever checked champion pick/ban rates?
Rioter Comments
: Glacial Augment/Twinshadows GLP Need HARD NERFS on champs like Ahri
But her already weak damage is even weaker with that runes+build.
Seoshi (NA)
: No, she was specifically designed to be played in both roles... Brand, Lux, and Velkoz were not.
She wouldn't have self only healing and really high damage on her R+Q if she was designed as a support. She's also a strong duelist unlike real supports because she doesn't have to support her teammates only because she has a shield.
Seoshi (NA)
: Being a Mid/Support main, I actually despise that Mid mages are being allowed to sit in the support role and Riot refuses to fix the issue Hate: {{champion:63}} / {{champion:99}} / {{champion:161}} / {{champion:412}} Love (playing): {{champion:43}} / {{champion:117}} / {{champion:267}}
But {{champion:43}} is an another mid mage played as support.
: Which support champions do you hate having on your team the most ?
: Why does every simple champ get reworked? Why does every champ I want to play get reworked?
Rioter Comments
: Have you even laned against a decent Morgana mid with Glacial Augment?
: And support Morgana is balanced. Morgana mid is what is too strong. Nerfing support Morgana is just not statistically justifiable.
: Morgana mid is strong (53% WR), support is balanced (50% WR), 9.9 hit support harder. Here's why.
Rioter Comments
Ànnìe (NA)
: Question about Yuumi's w
I tried it while Shen was using his ult and she teleported with Shen.
: ADCs are hard countered by armor
: adc? mages are the most powerful in the mode.
Not after the nerfs. Mages are also hard countered by MR.
heroikc (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=HP Crookshanks,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1UoZRpym,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-04-29T16:17:25.651+0000) > > Maybe because they don't even need it? {{champion:67}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:24}} Two of them can build {{item:3124}}, which has armor pen.
They are only examples. {{champion:67}} does insane amount of true damage and {{champion:24}} does mixed damage. They don't rely on armor pen to kill tanks.
: You cant stack armor pen on like 90% of the champs
Maybe because they don't even need it? {{champion:67}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:24}}
: VelKoz/Xerath are so hard to deal with bot lane
They are also easy preys for assassins.
Takazaki (NA)
: because the champions who build AP aren't suppose to be resistance tanks, ideally you're thinking about battle mages. click HP and AP and you'll notice a wealth of options.
{{item:1055}} {{item:3814}} {{item:3053}} {{item:3748}} {{item:3078}}
: Why is there only one armor item for AP?
Because Riot's biased towards AD and majority of players are AD mains.
: A 54.5% win rate is the wrong line to draw for champs needing nerfs.
A champion's pick rate, ban rate and difficulty also matters.
: New champ passive?
We don't know the numbers yet.
: Mana changes to mages affects their early game and item economy way more than riot thinks.
I find it ridiculous that mages have the worst mana pool out of all classes at level 18. _"BeCAusE tHey bUilD MAnA iTeMs!"_ What a silly explanation. Then AD assassins should have the lowest AD at level 18 because they build AD items.
: There is no such thing as different ban rates for different roles. If a champion gets banned there's no way to determine if and where that champion would've been played.
I think their pick rates for each role should reflect their ban rate for that role. Morgana is 18 out of 100 games played as mid so if her total ban rate is 54% then her ban rate for mid should be about 9%.
: There are different bubbles for different roles of the same champ. You can see Vayne has two right next to each other on the right hand side, and Hecarim has two together a little of the left of that. It's safe to assume Morgana mid is somewhere in the group of unlabeled bubbles on the left side of the graph.
No. Morgana Mid is over the OP line (she is on the right side) because she has the same ban rate as Morgana Support according to this graph. (Which is not true)
: Riot's OP line
What a senseless graph. For example,_** according to this graph both Morgana Mid and Morgana Support have 54% ban rate**_. But we all know that Morgana is almost always banned because she is played as support not mid. So she needs to be near Zilean who is under the OP line.
: probably is a cait bullet can be blocked by such a thing its listed as a champion.
Broken {{champion:157}} 's broken wall can also block it.
: strongest passive in the game? (just the passive, ignore other aspects)
Strongest: {{champion:63}} {{champion:55}} {{champion:10}} {{champion:45}} {{champion:8}} {{champion:157}} Weakest: {{champion:103}} {{champion:74}} {{champion:96}} {{champion:102}} {{champion:62}} {{champion:26}}
: when will ahri get reworked?
I think her W and ult need a rework because she relies on her ult too much to do something and her W is one of the most boring and weakest abilities in the game. By the way, girls can do anything guys can do.
SnupRawr (NA)
: yeaaah but so many female sups{{champion:43}} {{champion:37}} {{champion:16}} {{champion:40}} {{champion:117}} {{champion:267}} {{champion:25}} I like female supports, but i feel like the only cute male supports are {{champion:497}} and {{champion:201}}. Maybe {{champion:12}}. please give us a cute male support! EDIT: I am talking about champions that are in the support role, not champions that play other lanes but can also serve as a support.
{{champion:85}} {{champion:17}} {{champion:45}} {{champion:115}} can be played as supports too and how are {{champion:201}} and {{champion:12}} cute? {{sticker:sg-lux-2}}
: Everyone complaining about Riven,Zed,Vayne,Jinx,Heca or whatever else but Ahri is still untouched
Why would someone complain about her? Ahri is one of the easiest champions to play against. Her kit is too binary and she's useless without her ult. No one even bans her.
: I disagree that she is a mid laner by design. Yes, back then when she was created, she got called a mid laner by them. But this doesn't necessarily mean that she has the kit of a mid laner. Support as a role is mostly defined by being pretty independant of gold income. This can either be achieved by - alot of utility in the kit, so it is useful without high damage numbers - high base damages, so they are a threat even without many items (then there are special cases like Pyke, who work with gold, but get special interactions in their kit to funnel additional gold into him even as a support) Look at Morganas kit now. 3 out of her 4 spells are utility. Root on Q to catch/disrupt enemies, AoE stun on ultimate and a shield (which she can give to an ally) which prevents CC. It's pretty obvious that such a kit will end up in the support role.
Compare the real supports' ({{champion:40}} {{champion:117}} {{champion:16}} etc.) kits with {{champion:25}} 's. Real supports' kits are all about utility (shielding/healing/buffing/protecting teammates) and have low AP ratios while {{champion:25}} has _**self only healing**_, **_wave clear and high AP ratios_**. Her only supportive ability is her E. By that logic {{champion:43}} {{champion:99}} {{champion:61}} aren't mid laners too because they have shields. {{champion:25}} 's passive, W and high AP ratios proves that she's a mid laner and she relies on hitting her Q (skill shot), E (only protects against magic damage and has really long cd) and R (delayed stun) to protect her teammates while real supports' kits are much more reliable.
: Dueling mid laners?
AD assassins ({{champion:91}} {{champion:238}}) and AD fighters ({{champion:39}} {{champion:126}} {{champion:236}} {{champion:157}} ) are the strongest duelists because of AD's much better and wider itemization. (especially {{item:3155}} ) AP assassins ({{champion:103}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:245}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:38}} {{champion:55}} {{champion:7}} ), battle mages ({{champion:34}} {{champion:136}} {{champion:69}} {{champion:43}} {{champion:127}} {{champion:90}} {{champion:25}} {{champion:13}} {{champion:50}} {{champion:112}} {{champion:8}} ) and AP fighters ({{champion:131}} {{champion:10}} {{champion:517}} ) are also good duelists if their enemy doesn't have too much magic resist. {{champion:131}} {{champion:10}} {{champion:13}} {{champion:517}} {{champion:8}} are the strongest AP duelists.
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HanSwift (NA)
: Exact Differences and Similarities Between Ranked and Normal Games
Ranked matchmaking is bad. Normal matchmaking is awful.
Critty92 (EUNE)
: Which roles deserve buffs the most?
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