: #MODS: Can you please start deleting these topics and suspending people who keep making them? This is harassment of another player and a clear violation of the "Naming and Shaming" of players set in the boards guidelines. I get he's a streamer and a popular guy but that shouldn't mean people can spam threads shitting on the guy. The circlejerk "Hate on NB3" fad has gone on long enough and you need to put a stop to it.
> [{quoted}](name=OneMustFall,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=ZGk4yrnd,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-06-17T01:47:22.362+0000) > > #MODS: > > Can you please start deleting these topics and suspending people who keep making them? This is harassment of another player and a clear violation of the "Naming and Shaming" of players set in the boards guidelines. I get he's a streamer and a popular guy but that shouldn't mean people can spam threads shitting on the guy. The circlejerk "Hate on NB3" fad has gone on long enough and you need to put a stop to it. Social justice warrior to the rescue!
8Belthazor8 (EUNE)
: >Cooldown needs to have a meaning here If they remove SoS it will do? If you only want to fuck over Riven (and some other toplaners) then say "Remove BC and SoS". Although they would buy ER so remove that too. Then cooldowns would have a meaning.... if we totally ignore that mages get billion cdr with every single item they buy. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
The ones who can build Spear are usually very strong even without it. {{champion:92}}, {{champion:24}}, {{champion:157}},{{champion:58}}, {{champion:67}}, {{champion:11}}, etc all have a good pool of items to abuse from and still remain relevant. Spear takes them over the top.
: > [{quoted}](name=Haze97,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LzIfHatv,comment-id=000d0000,timestamp=2019-06-18T14:55:52.228+0000) > > Pretty sure adc mains cry their ass off even when their role is the most balanced. Most top laners I've played with have been sensible people who are frustrated with how bad the state of the lane is. > > On the subject, I've literally never seen a top laner complain about getting ganks and I play jungler often. That’s almost all I heard from top laners before riot gutted junglers into the dirt. “Enemy jungler is always in my lane.” “Top lane is always being camped by enemy jungler” “Love how top lane is always a 2v1” And I haven’t heard adcs complain about anything (on the boards, not in game) since riot fixed the “god has left us patch”(the crit item rework).
The crit rework was a massive overhaul which changed the way people would look at marksmen. It took an entire class of late game carries and have them the ability to start carrying a game from the moment the turrets went down. Top laners have a legit reason to complain. Of the few things we ask for it's to make the lane less jungle dependant and improve melee vs ranged laning which are indeed huge problems which need to be addressed. Most top laners don't even ask for the role to be made more influential but just that we be allowed to play our lane without third party pressure being shoved up our throat.
: > [{quoted}](name=skills of luck,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LzIfHatv,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-18T08:00:47.772+0000) > > As a long time top lane player (4+ years now), a core quality to climb and succeed in the lane is to be able to absorb pressure, and making yourself useful while working with less gold. It's str8 up the least ganked lane, junglers usually only bother with it at lv3 after finishing their buff and happen to path up. > Each role has its general downsides. A lot of the times they are either all over the map ganking everything or nowhere really. Just from my observation from my games they either get ahead or behind and never inbetween. A vast majority of the time they put themselves behind by doing dumb invades and getting caught. Then sometimes they get put behind when laners do not defend an invade. Then theres the last case where they think its still season 4 and are afk farming the jungle. Because of those variables its hard to get a decent jg these days.
Agree. People don't wanna accept it but I've hardly found such ignorant junglers in the past seasons. It isn't even an elo thing. I'm playing above gold on the Singapore server and it's the same shit there.
: answer your own question. Play jungle for a week.
I used to play jungle. If you are going to gank a bot lane which didn't ask for it while your top lane is being camped heavily, you're going to have a very fed Jax/Riven/Nasus you can surrender due to.
: Mid has no downsides? How about being unable to push or be slightly aggressive at all when the enemy jungle isnt visible due to the lane having the most openings out of any lane in the game? Being the most central and easiest to path towards? Most junglers will end up looking at mid for that reason while also looknig at bot for being the most rewarding to kill. A longer lane doesnt matter when you can at least ward the entrances at some point to ensure some degree of safety, midlane has more of those than can be warded so when playing there you either wana freeze the wave at all times or play something with a high amount of range or waveclear to ensure safety from junglers. The upside of the lane however is having the best spot to roam from which can quickly win you games if it works out.
And it isn't even difficult when the jungler ganks. I play the mid lane. Shortest lane of all. You see the jungler enter you run under your turret in no time. It's top lane where you fear getting caught with your pants down with how long the lane is. You also don't lose much in case you die as it takes no time to run back to lane. Do the same top while your TP down and you can kiss your turret goodbye.
: I love how toplaners are litteraly never happy. “Junglers are camping top, it’s so unfair, I can’t even play the game!” Next week “Why does my jungler never gank top,? I can’t win my lane without his help!” And people say adc cries the most. No. It’s definetly top that cries the most.
Pretty sure adc mains cry their ass off even when their role is the most balanced. Most top laners I've played with have been sensible people who are frustrated with how bad the state of the lane is. On the subject, I've literally never seen a top laner complain about getting ganks and I play jungler often.
: Pentakill 3 ?
Oh please. Their older songs were amazing! Deadman's plate, Tear of the goddess, Deathfire Grasp were some of my favourites. These guys need to return.
: This game's a joke to be honest. 5 strangers are expected to rely on each other to achieve mutual success, but each person's idea on how to go about doing it is vastly different from the others. Top is jungle reliant? Then I guess we're screwed then, huh? Because if jungle doesn't win it for top then I guess everybody loses. You know something. Every time I play a game, it doesn't matter what role I play. I rely on my allies to NOT die ever 2 minutes so that victory can be obtainable. And yet, 4.9 times out of 10, I am on the receiving end of most or all my allies, regardless of role, doing absolutely everything incorrectly. And it isn't ALWAYS the jungle. So, maybe, climb off jungle mains' backs for a bit and do YOUR job without worrying too much about what they are doing?
Jungle doesn't need to win it for top. Jungle needs to help balance the pressure so top lane can win it for themselves. There's a big difference. Top lane is the only role which can carry when every other role is losing. But if your top laner spend the game scrapping for cs under his own turret then you better have an amazing bot lane which doesn't throw.
: I don't really get in what dimension you're living in, but I still get oneshot by bruisers and assassins that are 3 levels below mine and have 2 items, while I already have 4. If I could simply tunnelvision into anything WITHOUT giving the option to react, simply because any ADC gets deleted in less than 1s, then I'd be a Zed or Kayn main. So I can't really see what the problem is, since the ADC role has been underperforming or has been considerably harder than mid, jungle or top for about 7 (!) years. Just let that sink in. That's quite a long time.
> [{quoted}](name=Katana Prime,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OkYYMLVO,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-18T10:11:02.568+0000) > > I don't really get in what dimension you're living in, but I still get oneshot by bruisers and assassins that are 3 levels below mine and have 2 items, while I already have 4. > > If I could simply tunnelvision into anything WITHOUT giving the option to react, simply because any ADC gets deleted in less than 1s, then I'd be a Zed or Kayn main. In no world would any bruiser three levels below you 1v1 you as an adc. On top of that when half of you'll are more busy split pushing what do you expect? And to add to that you can and should be squishy. That's why you have a support to back you up and should learn to position yourself correctly. The damage most adcs deal in the mid game these days however is far too high for champs whose damage scales infinitely into the late game which is the point. > So I can't really see what the problem is, since the ADC role has been underperforming or has been considerably harder than mid, jungle or top for about 7 (!) years. Just let that sink in. That's quite a long time. ADC has been one of the strongest roles in forever now, along with mid lane. Honestly, at the moment the only people who get to call their roles 'underperforming' are top laners and perhaps jungle. No other role has that right. To add to that when it comes to the difficulty in playing a role, top lane and jungle blow anything else out of the water.
Rioter Comments
: Then "why the fuck" are you even complaining about junglers? Live with it and stop being a whiny bitch about it then. Most, if not all, of the people who even bother to jungle for you aren't even going to read your post. So, if you want to keep doing your own thing then try not feeling so fucking insulted when someone else wants to do their own thing.
He's playing top lane and giving you a top laner's perspective. If he was playing jungler you wouldn't hear him type that page long post out. You do realize there exist different roles in the game? Yeah, somebody needs to fill in each of those roles. Telling him to play jungle isn't going to make top lane any less jungle reliant.
: The fact that there is a locked in meta for botlane is the problem.
This, and the crit changes were the worst thing to happen of late which only the ADC mains themselves approve of. That's because how brain-dead it makes playing the role. Back in the days when you had to purchase two items and an {{item:3031}} in order to hit your 'late game powerspike', it actually made sense because most marksmen are supposed to be late game carries. However as someone who plays top/mid I hate the fact that ADCs hardly need to wait till late game in order to be able to start carrying teamfights. This makes it very difficult for me as a solo laner to keep up with should my bottom lane lose turret and give away a couple of kills because now by 14 minutes we'd already have an ADC doing enough DPS at two items to match most top/midlaners. Albeit a bit squishier. There's no such thing as a 'late game carry' marksman anymore. The window of a weak early game which they had just doesn't exist and I 100% blame the crit rework for it. The items were fine but since Riot loves catering to ADC mains, here we have a meta where the winning bot lane takes over the game the moment the turret goes down.
: Hashinshin: MR items are weak, Armor items are too strong
He's also the person who thinks {{champion:55}} is overpowered while {{champion:24}} isn't. On the topic of armor vs MR however, he cannot be more wrong. When was the last time you saw {{item:3075}} protect someone from a Jax or Master Yi's enslaught? On the other hand building one {{item:3065}} will drive any mage to wait between cooldowns. And that's to say the mage will still try to build a lot of magic penetration while I hardly see dinners and skirmishers try to build any armour pen other than the occasional BC and still tear down tanks.
heroikc (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Haze97,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=l7ksZiZK,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-06-17T05:32:40.132+0000) > > You're better off going Triforce into DD these days. > > Bork doesn't give WW the tankiness he needs. Triforce and DD give you everything he could ask for and considering how easily he heals you're going to shrug that 30% from DD in no time. First or after tiamat item and cinderhulk? Just would like additional strats, just in case.
I took it you were going for a bruiser build since you mentioned Bork. When building jungle Warwick bruiser I don't bother completing the jungle item. I stick to a hunter's machete and go Tiamat into Sheen, then complete my Triforce. Warwick takes a while between Qs so the Sheen proc adds up neatly. Triforce is one of the best items on him and Triforce + passive W attack speed is overkill. You don't need Bork. In fact you don't even need life steal on this guy. My usual build is {{item:3078}}, {{item:3748}}, {{item:3053}}, {{item:3742}}, and {{item:3065}}. Whatever boots you prefer. Run sorcery second with Transcendence and Gathering Storm for that 40% CDR.
heroikc (NA)
: I can't really tell because his early build (the one I use most often) primarily focuses on health; haven't built items like BotRK in a long time...
You're better off going Triforce into DD these days. Bork doesn't give WW the tankiness he needs. Triforce and DD give you everything he could ask for and considering how easily he heals you're going to shrug that 30% from DD in no time.
: > [{quoted}](name=Haze97,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=l7ksZiZK,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-17T04:33:31.239+0000) > > I don't usually build him tank. > > I go with {{item:3078}} -> {{item:3748}} -> {{item:3053}} as my offensive items. > > Throw in a {{item:3742}}, and a {{item:3065}}, and whatever boots you want. I've been running transcendence + gathering storm as my secondary lately to hit the 40% CDR. If I didn't need that I'd go with {{item:3158}}. > > Warwick stacks hella fast with this one. In fact one set of AA,Q,AA gives you three set of stacks instantaneously and he isn't dying anytime before getting 5 stacks on reliably. Warwick abuses conq amazingly. That looks like a "hey I'm ahead" build. What happens if your behind.
Surrender XD. Lol jk. When behind I build tank with {{item:1401}} into {{item:3748}}, into {{item:3742}}. AA,Q,AA,Titanic gives you 4 instant stacks on conq. You need only 5 stacks to proc the healing and true damage.
: > [{quoted}](name=Haze97,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=l7ksZiZK,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-06-17T01:28:03.555+0000) > > I'd rather take the new Conq on him. Makes his drain-tank like playstyle much stronger than flat out PTA damage. you wont make to 5 stacks as current warwick. maybe if they switched his base attack speed with his W passive over then yes it will work. but currently its way to slow to be used practically.
I don't usually build him tank. I go with {{item:3078}} -> {{item:3748}} -> {{item:3053}} as my offensive items. Throw in a {{item:3742}}, and a {{item:3065}}, and whatever boots you want. I've been running transcendence + gathering storm as my secondary lately to hit the 40% CDR. If I didn't need that I'd go with {{item:3158}}. Warwick stacks hella fast with this one. In fact one set of AA,Q,AA gives you three set of stacks instantaneously and he isn't dying anytime before getting 5 stacks on reliably. Warwick abuses conq amazingly.
: The whole point is to punish smurfing and make you suffer for wanting to make a smurf account.
So I just but a new account and fuel an illegal business. This is the war on drugs all over again.
Barso55 (NA)
: WTF is not leashing your jungler or protecting buffs the new meta? (SEA Garena)
Stop playing on that shit ass third party bullshit. Especially after that Indonesia merge with SG (where I used to play) I now play on EuW with three times as much ping and the people here are far less child-like and selfish.
: have you tried lethal tempo or hail of blades? (if your into that off meta playstyle)
I'd rather take the new Conq on him. Makes his drain-tank like playstyle much stronger than flat out PTA damage.
: i found fighting morde as a top laner fun?
Morde is one of the most balanced champion with a new kit which they've released of late. He has set windows through which you can easily punish him. He can be countered by building the right items (played Renekton against 3 Morde's so far and building {{item:3091}} was an instant win). And he has specific matchups which he excels against while having very clear cut counters. He is for reference, amazing against assassins but terrible against juggernauts and divers who can keep up the sustained damage. I do expect his winrate to fall eventually.
Pyrosan (NA)
: Would you like to see new champions stop being made and others improved on quality?
Slow down and release maybe 1-2 new champs year please. We have over 140 champs now, and hardly 50 of them are even viable to play. Riot seems to love to push a quantity over quality gameplay and that leaves the game in an undesirable state for anyone wanting to improve .
: Talon needs some attention
Those tier guides are fucking useless. It showed Katarina as A tier the last time while I recall she only had 50%+ winrate in masters +. Also on the lethality thing -No, assassins aren't meant to counter armour. On the plus side, I could definitely get behind him getting better wave clear tho. Tiamat seems like an awful item to build on him.
: My leblanc,my baby
No, thanks.
: To be honest camping a lane wouldn't be so effective if time wasted not farming camps was a trade off at all. Nerfing jungle camp exp means sapping lane exp is the superior option, so might as well camp that lane as well.
You'd be as high at a level as the support by merely sitting in the bush. That's not any different from what your jungle camps would get you. The gold lead however would need things up.
Rioter Comments
Nar7ia (EUW)
: Yep meanwhile men run around shirtless and nobody bats an eye.
Kanzler (NA)
: Do you think some fatty is ripping the chains off the wall?
Well many fatties do tend to be a lot stronger than most bodybuilders you'd come across who starve themselves before competitions. Who do you think would win in a weight lifting competition? Eddie Hall or Arnold Schwarzenegger?
: So implying that he's not being fed by the jailers at all while he's incarcerated? Even in IRL prisons, they give prisoners enough food to not waste away. Furthermore, he's not bulky, he's toned. So I could understand your point if he was looking like Arnold Schwarzenagger, but he doesn't. He's lean, which is feasible if you're being fed enough to keep you alive. https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/3/35/Sylas_Render.png/revision/latest?cb=20190111200704
You're comparing American prisons with a prison from anywhere else. Your prisons are business and feed people coz prison owners in the country literal earn from not letting prisoners go or die.
: TMW The Top Laner Joins their Losing Team in Fights and Turns It All Around
While the adc still dies and continues to feed throughout the match.
: Well, while his physique is a pretty big stretch, he did spend his year shackled with giant rock cuffs, so attempting to lift them over the years would have given him a pretty decent workout. Once he had managed the strength to lift them, he could then work on other exercises using them as weights, because what else was he gonna do while locked in a cell?
Lmao no. Unless those rats gave him like a 100 gram of protein every day, he'd actually grow weaker by training for more than his body could repair. That's not how bodybuilding works.
: Because Riot wanted a sexy shirtless guy. Same reason why Ashe wears a bra and miniskirt and Miss Fortune looks like a coed in a sexy pirate Halloween costume.
She is one of the least sexual champions around. Stop bullshitting, most women wear a bra and a mini skirt's primary function isn't to make men drool. I can get behind MF's design, however.
: Why is Sylas so ripped?
Demacian rats must be protein rich af.
: Tbh, I think Ahri belongs to KD/A / Popstar universe while Kat belongs more to Pentakill, if there's a Kat's pentakill skin one day. (But still, it actually looks good)
My thoughts exactly. Pentakill suits Kata so much more and I'd love to see her in a band more metal/rock based than Kda.
The Gaza (NA)
: K/DA Kat concept (creator unknown)
As much as I love the art, let's just place her in a band that's more metal than 4 pop stars trying to sell low-effort prestige skins. Amazing art though and I hope to see more from the artist.
: For one, I don't watch competitive; shits boring and I don't really care enough about any of the teams. For two, competitive is not comparable ever to soloqueue, which is where we are right now. Soloqueue and competitive will always be different because the four other monkeys you get queued with for a team are complete strangers usually; you haven't lived with and trained with them for months. You don't usually have communication with them. You haven't had time to build synergy. Even low elo competitive is vastly different from soloqueue for these explicit reasons. For three, if late game scaling doesn't win games anymore, that's an issue that should still be addressed about the game as there are situations like I mentioned above where the only thing you can do is play for late game. Luckily, in solo queue, late game scaling is actually something that does win games if you and your team know how to stall. Its especially plausible in low elo where people don't know how to close games.
He was being sarcastic. Late game scaling can and does win games even in pro play. Yeah that shit is boring and I hardly ever watch Lol esports but I've watched a couple of matches and IG did lose to TL hard because they chose a strict early game comp and simply got outscaled hard.
: Bot lane is the glass cannon lane dominated by adcs and enchanters. Their task is to control the late game if they manage to scale up. This is an intentional design from riot. So I play healer supports to avoid loosing bot lane and it works. In my experience top and jg are the main source of feeding, especially jg make horrible decisions these days. Not just in my team, but also in enemy team.
I used to play jungle. I don't play it anymore unless autofilled in which case I don't mind playing it. I'll agree with you, must junglers I find these days are utterly clueless on how the role works. However I rarely see top lane feeding unless the top laner gets camped all match. Most top laner and support players I come across are usually sensible people. It's the adc and jungle mains who are careless little fucks these days.
Zahtar (EUW)
: The League needs another archer.
Yes, let's break the stereotype and get an archer who hardly uses bows and arrows and has an ult which rival's {{champion:82}}'s. https://media.tenor.com/images/91c39bcdc60e0ed2016b09c506186264/tenor.gif Of course he'll be played top lane and still have a negative winrate against Tahm Kench.
: Can we finally get a teenage kid Champion?
You do have{{champion:245}}.
CLG ear (NA)
: what if Riven was my gf
> [{quoted}](name=CLG ear,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=tnJ1aGtj,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-06-04T04:54:25.777+0000) > > what if Riven was my gf You'd have aids coz that's what she is.
: It definitely feels like shit when some of your team gets completely blown out of the water, but honestly, every role can play a part in the success of their bot lane. If your bot lane is getting smashed, odds are they are pushed in pretty hard, which means: - Top can TP in - Jg can gank - Mid can roam One, two, or all three of you can come crashing into the enemy bot lane and stop the bleeding. I cant count the number of times I've been in a game where i've been tower dove by 3 or 4 enemies on 2 or 3 occasions, hobble out of lane completely crippled, then have my teammates ask, "WTF Bot lane" I get that lanes will get smashed, but if the enemy team is being proactive about ganging up on your bot lane, then you either need to take equivalent advantages on the opposite side of the map, or you need to position to protect your bot. If you dont do either of those things in response to the enemy ganging up on your duo lane, then I really cant sympathize with your complaint.
I understand what you're trying to say, but how often do you guys ever make the same exception for top lane and mid? I've literally never heard anyone tell a bot lane player to 'roam top or mid to help' when either the top or mid laner have been having a bad day. It's always the other roles who are told to lay a secondary role in order to help the bot lane. This just goes to show how influential bot lane is and has always been. It's also a pity that Riot does nothing about it, whether it be making dragon steals less game changing or attempting to make supports well more supportive and getting those damage dealers such as Brand or Veigar out of the lane in order to make the lane less influential should it go down and lose priority.
Dealth (NA)
: I hate to be the one to break it to you, but if a lane is consistently losing, you might just have a losing lane.
: unless you were going for this anyway none of those are a good score anyway except top laner all that shows is you didnt feed but who knows what you gave up to not feed 70% of your farm, Drake, Red buff.
That isn't a bad score either. It just goes to show how influential bot lane is at typing the balance.
Fízz v2 (EUW)
: Top probably needs work imo because its the worst role but has the strongest champs on average. Theres so many fun champs that Id like to play but they are top laners so... Id rather not xd
True that. Most top laners when ahead with 1v2 any comp with ease, but it is the least influential role in game.
SirEnds (NA)
: What tilts you the most?
When I can see the opponent jungler in my top lane warded bush and the dragon miraculously disappears into the opponent team's hands. Bonus points if my jungler's busy prioritizing the krugs at that point.
Moody P (NA)
: "I am counterpicked but I'm playing safe and letting him push. Surely my jungler will help me soon"
This feeling's the worst when playing against a {{champion:223}} or {{champion:8}}. Additionally if you're playing against a Nasus and their jungler decides to camp your lane, kiss your game goodbye.
: That's kinda unaccurate considering that the counters to Tahm Kench Top are mostly melee champs He's a bit too strong, and I hope he gets a slight nerf, but obviously toplaners are overreacting
Here comes an ADC main to enlighten us on the state of top lane.
: How does a melee that plays as a juggernaut is like Viktor Top lmao
Tahm is a melee champ? Oh I'm sorry I must have missed it due to how easily be pokes me from beyond AA range.
: Conq gives heals, is easier stacked, gives true damage. PTA doesn't give that much shit. Riven is busted since the release of conq.
Riven was always busted. Stop downvote answers and go try playing her with PTA Death's dance rush. She's still broken af and so is Jax. Conq has been nerfed to the point where I don't even bother running it unless the opponent team has more than two tanks.
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