Vartius (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=HellBell,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=xFbaFao0,comment-id=000900000000,timestamp=2018-11-20T01:22:36.454+0000) > > By this comment mostly I wanted to say not that her quotes are too sexuallized or something like that, but that it feels like she has some really disgusted feelings about most males characters. Just flip it on the other side if there was some male champion talking about how some female champions ugly or stink oe anything like that. Of course it would have blown up the boards. > > If Riot wants to be so really supportive, they shouldn’t overdo things like that. I know it’s hard to get everyone satisfied but personally I don’t like when people scream that people should stop being offensive to one group of persons, but allowing to offense the other and not seeing any issue with that. Quote from your post > Why does she have to tell in almost all of her interactions voice lines something like: Hey, look I am a lesbian. I mean, usually gay people are normal, they live and act like everyone else and they don't say that they are gay like every 2nd sentences like Neeko indirectly does. So yes, aside from pointing out the "stinky male" lines, you also point out that, in your opinion, she is in your face about her orientation... Which she is not. As for the stinky male lines, I commented on them already: 1. Some, for example Graves one, are very justified. Graves is probably stinky. 2. Turning into someone of the opposite gender, especially when you don't feel attracted to them, isn't exacly a nice thing for the person changing. 3. The line to Ezreal makes a ton of sense. She says he is "too pretty..." for a boy, because she actually sees him as attractive. No wonder that weirds her out. Like if a straight man saw another man and thought he was very attractive. In a lot of cases, that would weird them out. 4. If it wasn't for the gay lines, would care about those lines, or would you just pass 'em up to Neeko's personality? Because it honestly sounds like something a lot of teens would say. The "Ugh, boys are like, so GROSS!". 5. What Seta Kaoru said.
> [{quoted}](name=Vartius,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=xFbaFao0,comment-id=0009000000000001,timestamp=2018-11-20T01:30:41.954+0000) > > Quote from your post > > So yes, aside from pointing out the "stinky male" lines, you also point out that, in your opinion, she is in your face about her orientation... Which she is not. > > As for the stinky male lines, I commented on them already: > > 1. Some, for example Graves one, are very justified. Graves is probably stinky. > 2. Turning into someone of the opposite gender, especially when you don't feel attracted to them, isn't exacly a nice thing for the person changing. > 3. The line to Ezreal makes a ton of sense. She says he is "too pretty..." for a boy, because she actually sees him as attractive. No wonder that weirds her out. Like if a straight man saw another man and thought he was very attractive. In a lot of cases, that would weird them out. > 4. If it wasn't for the gay lines, would care about those lines, or would you just pass 'em up to Neeko's personality? Because it honestly sounds like something a lot of teens would say. The "Ugh, boys are like, so GROSS!". Yeah, i guess you are right in most things. The thing is that I needed people to discuss that so I could see where am I wrong or right. I wanted to see what do people think about that in general. Now I see. Probably gonna take it less seriously but I still think that some things should’ve been a tiny bit softer. Just what would have been if Neeko was a male, shapeshifting into, let's say, Illaoi and saying that she stinks or that some female other look ugly. Would it be the same? Or people would start spamming Riot that they hate women? I admit, some of my thoughts about this situation have changed into something better after reading comments, including yours, I guess now I need to know what people think about that.
: > [{quoted}](name=HellBell,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=xFbaFao0,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2018-11-20T00:22:52.029+0000) > > I am really glad that there are people that feel the same. I usually try to stay out of such discussions but I think that this time Riot have gone a bit wrong way. Trying to support ones, indirectly offending others, I guess. > Basically what I hear when listen to her is that everything is beautiful and gorgeous! Except men. (Not including {{champion:81}} . (she even specifies that he’s pretty for a BOY)) Some examples of obvious sexual heterosexual quotes/interactions: Rakan: "What do you want to do later?" Xayah: "I can think of something." Ahri: >>> Indulge me. >>> How tempting. >>> Don't hold back. >>> Tell me a secret. >>> Don't you trust me? >>> I know what they desire. Illaoi "Northman. There are motions I would like to show you." "I know you are strong. I wonder if you have stamina." "Finally, a man who won't break." Akali: "Kayn... Why are the hot ones always crazy?" Again, I don't really care either way. Whether or not League has a gay characters really does nothing to encourage me to play it more or think the game is any better. It's just always so amusing to me how there are such obvious examples of heterosexual sexualization in video games and the second anything that could even be misconstrued (or worse yet outright said to be) homosexual, all of a sudden you have all of this "I don't care about sexuality I just want it to be relevant!!! Don't be gay for the sake of being gay!!!" Where is any of this when it comes to female characters? "I don't care about boob size as long as there's a good reason for having big boobs!" If homosexuality makes you uncomfortable at least have the confidence to say that instead of trying to convince yourself that you're not a homophobe and "normally it wouldn't bother me if there was an actual reason"
> [{quoted}](name=Hella Gay Nerd,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=xFbaFao0,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2018-11-20T00:38:37.717+0000) > > Some examples of obvious sexual heterosexual quotes/interactions: > > Rakan: "What do you want to do later?" > Xayah: "I can think of something." > > Ahri: > > Illaoi > > "Northman. There are motions I would like to show you." > "I know you are strong. I wonder if you have stamina." > "Finally, a man who won't break." > > Akali: > > "Kayn... Why are the hot ones always crazy?" > > Again, I don't really care either way. Whether or not League has a gay characters really does nothing to encourage me to play it more or think the game is any better. > > It's just always so amusing to me how there are such obvious examples of heterosexual sexualization in video games and the second anything that could even be misconstrued (or worse yet outright said to be) homosexual, all of a sudden you have all of this "I don't care about sexuality I just want it to be relevant!!! Don't be gay for the sake of being gay!!!" > > Where is any of this when it comes to female characters? "I don't care about boob size as long as there's a good reason for having big boobs!" > > If homosexuality makes you uncomfortable at least have the confidence to say that instead of trying to convince yourself that you're not a homophobe and "normally it wouldn't bother me if there was an actual reason" By this comment mostly I wanted to say not that her quotes are too sexuallized or something like that, but that it feels like she has some really disgusted feelings about most males characters. Just flip it on the other side if there was some male champion talking about how some female champions ugly or stink oe anything like that. Of course it would have blown up the boards. If Riot wants to be so really supportive, they shouldn’t overdo things like that. I know it’s hard to get everyone satisfied but personally I don’t like when people scream that people should stop being offensive to one group of persons, but allowing to offense the other and not seeing any issue with that.
HellBell (EUW)
: Unpopular opinion: Neeko’s character feels kinda offensive.
I am really glad that there are people that feel the same. I usually try to stay out of such discussions but I think that this time Riot have gone a bit wrong way. Trying to support ones, indirectly offending others, I guess. Basically what I hear when listen to her is that everything is beautiful and gorgeous! Except men. (Not including {{champion:81}} . (she even specifies that he’s pretty for a BOY))
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