: NEW RANK SYSTEM IS DESTROYING MY GAMES MORE THEN OLD SYSTEM
I don't see a single platinum/diamond player in any of your recent 17 ranked games. They are all bronze/silver. Why are you making a scene about nothing?
: This ranked by role thing is a fucking joke.
You don't acutally have to main every role, unless you want to play every role?
: Matching making at it finest, Bronze player get to be matched with gold player in ranked
The opposing team in your game also had a Bronze 1 player. Why aren't you complaining about that?
: 87W-0L Ratirl is currently in G2 terrorizing plat elo thanks to amazing MMR system
He inted a lot of games to get Iron 4 MMR (bottom 0.5% of ranked). Currently the account plays against Plat 1/Dia 4 players, so it's around that MMR. Rank doesn't increase as fast as MMR. Iron 4 is around 400MMR while Diamond 4 is around 1900 MMR. So he still climed around 1500 MMR in his winstreak.
: I'm in D4 and getting +10 for a Win and -20 for a Loss. This shit is so unbalanced it makes me fucking sick
But almost all of your recent games are against platinim players. Your MMR is platinum so the system tries to slow you down.
xAcidik (NA)
: Balancing Around Pro Play Sucks For Us
Some champions are balanced around low ranked solo queue. Master Yi {{champion:11}} for example. He isn't played in pro and he's bad in high ranks. If Riot would buff him to be viable in pro play or high ranks, he would be completely broken in iron/bronze/silver. Some champions are designed completely around pro play and are not viable in solo queue, while some champions are solo queue monsters while being useless in a pro game.
: > [{quoted}](name=Heraimish,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BNRcAiLO,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2019-02-07T22:37:10.957+0000) > > Well that's the main issue, you occationally end up with a player in your team whose MMR is incorrect. Nothing that can really be done about that. Absolutely. The problem is that it happens more than occasionally. ~~For some of us - for me - it's 9 out of 10 games on average, and I've been completely discouraged to queue up for another game after having similar experience 3 games in a row.~~ K I exaggerated it's not that often, but it's true it happens a bit too often to be neglected in my opinion.
I think RIot should look at how many games you have played in a queue. So if you are new in ranked, it places you against other new players and only after a while you get placed against experieced players. The only issue with that is going to be smurfs, but smurfs basically ruin the match making system anyway.
: > [{quoted}](name=Heraimish,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BNRcAiLO,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-02-07T10:27:36.231+0000) > > If you're getting matched with silver players, it means you have silver MMR. If your MMR is too high it will naturally lower if you play more games and if it's correct, you will naturally climb to silver. You could be right, maybe the OP does have too high of a mmr value. I do want to present another possibility though. Perhaps the OP does have low bronze/iron mmr, and he is in the rank he belongs, but silver players with silver level skills yet low bronze mmr show up in his game and made it miserable for everyone else. Happened to me, happened to many others complaining on forum, and this could very well be the case for OP as well. So here we are, in the rank and mmr we belong, but we're going to get stomped on anyway because other high league players' inaccurately low mmr values are still in the process of adjustment?
Well that's the main issue, you occationally end up with a player in your team whose MMR is incorrect. Nothing that can really be done about that.
Swedeso (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Heraimish,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=lzbVeEgd,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-02-06T21:49:42.453+0000) > > The only thing that you can do is send a ticket. Riot sometimes wavebans accounts that have used 3rd party programs and yours may have accidently been hit by that (if you're speaking the truth). why would i lie? I play because I love the game and it sucks when one play by the rules and still gets punished for something that i didn't do
Well, I'm not assuming that you lie, but sometimes people do lie about that. It's difficult, because online you can't always prove you're innocent. Riot probably saw something wierd with your account or something on your computer that caused them to say "that account used a bot". They won't tell you what it is, because they don't want to give real cheaters a way to circumvent their system. So now you're in this shitty hole of "you're guitly because our data shows us, and we won't tell you why". Best thing is still to send a ticket and hope they look into it again if they made a mistake.
: > [{quoted}](name=Heraimish,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=s3FuK4gH,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-02-06T21:33:04.315+0000) > > All your ranks are loosely tied together, so if you get to Diamond on top, your ADC rank will probably end up around platinum. Not even close. You get 3 LP as "splash LP" per win so say you won about 150 games to get to diamond on your main role your off role would have barely gone up a few divisions. You MIGHT be in silver.
> [{quoted}](name=REVERT EVE,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=s3FuK4gH,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-02-06T22:01:45.796+0000) > > Not even close. You get 3 LP as "splash LP" per win so say you won about 150 games to get to diamond on your main role your off role would have barely gone up a few divisions. You MIGHT be in silver. Yeah they are a little bit "too loose". Now it seems winning/losing in an offrole has pratically no influence over your main role. Riot should give/take more LP when you are autofilled to/from your main role. For example, if you are autofilled you get +18/-18 on your offrole and +9/-9 on your main role, instead of +3/-3
Ephixus (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Heraimish,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EiqiUHXs,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-02-07T10:40:59.019+0000) > > Very wierd. It looks like the ranked system suddenly decided to drop your MMR form platinum to bronze levels. You would expect that you would get massive LP gains to move you back to platinum. There's definitely something wrong, because you shouldn't just drop 600 MMR for no reason. more likely his mmr dropped by by 1k lol.
You would expect MMR to drop a little bit because of the reset, but to go from platinum MMR to bronze in a single game is insane.
EBL003 (NA)
: wtf is wrong with my account???
Very wierd. It looks like the ranked system suddenly decided to drop your MMR form platinum to bronze levels. You would expect that you would get massive LP gains to move you back to platinum. There's definitely something wrong, because you shouldn't just drop 600 MMR for no reason.
: > [{quoted}](name=Heraimish,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=s3FuK4gH,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-02-06T21:33:04.315+0000) > > All your ranks are loosely tied together, so if you get to Diamond on top, your ADC rank will probably end up around platinum. Not even close. You get 3 LP as "splash LP" per win so say you won about 150 games to get to diamond on your main role your off role would have barely gone up a few divisions. You MIGHT be in silver.
> [{quoted}](name=REVERT EVE,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=s3FuK4gH,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-02-06T22:01:45.796+0000) > > Not even close. You get 3 LP as "splash LP" per win so say you won about 150 games to get to diamond on your main role your off role would have barely gone up a few divisions. You MIGHT be in silver. Can you give some examples of players who have fastly different ranks across different roles?
: > [{quoted}](name=Janna Mechanics,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BNRcAiLO,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-02-07T05:31:54.782+0000) > > Keep in mind that you aren't matched based on your rank, you're match based on your hidden MMR. Your MMR sometimes isn't directly in line with your visible rank, which is what causes disproportionate LP gains/losses (Ex. +25 LP for a win, -12 LP for a loss). > > Just keep playing for a while and your rank and matchmaking will even out as the season progresses. I believe his point is that it shouldn't. It makes no sense to match based on mmr. mmr should be used to determine how fast a player climbs or drops after a win or loss, but shouldn't be used to determine the matchmaking. It makes a LOT more sense to match the teams based on their ranks.
Ranks change much slower than MMR (promotion series, demotion shields etc). MMR is much more effective to create statistically fair matches.
: Riot Your Ranked Matchmaking is Garbage
If you're getting matched with silver players, it means you have silver MMR. If your MMR is too high it will naturally lower if you play more games and if it's correct, you will naturally climb to silver.
Swedeso (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Heraimish,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=lzbVeEgd,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-02-06T21:41:07.335+0000) > > Did you level the account yourself or did you buy/got it from someone else? Myself
The only thing that you can do is send a ticket. Riot sometimes wavebans accounts that have used 3rd party programs and yours may have accidently been hit by that (if you're speaking the truth).
Supermook (EUW)
: How does the LP gains work?
it seems your current MMR is a bit below your rank, as you get placed mostly against bronze players it seems.
Swedeso (NA)
: Perma Banned for using 3rd party software ?!?!
Did you level the account yourself or did you buy/got it from someone else?
Enkoh (NA)
: New Rank System
Was it a ranked game where you got placed with master and silver tier players?
: LEAGUE RANKED system is stupid
If you lose more LP than you gain, it means that your hidden MMR is lower than needed for your current rank.
: Ranked Roles
All your ranks are loosely tied together, so if you get to Diamond on top, your ADC rank will probably end up around platinum.
: Why Is This happening in most of my ranked games
Some players are lower/higher ranked then their MMR.
: Im getting 13 LP per win
You're playing with players around bronze 3-1. Since you're silver 4, your rank is higher than your acutal skill, so you get less LP.
: Remove position ranks. It's 10 times worse.
You know that you will lose increasing amounts of LP on your main role if you keep grieving?
: My opinion on the new ranked system (NA/KR)
It sounds like they have to make splashing stronger. So for example if you play mid and you get autofilled support, you still get +10/-10LP for midlane. So it's more impactful and you have to be serious about it and you can't say 'oh why care, I only lose 3 LP on my main?'
: > [{quoted}](name=Heraimish,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=LEP5Tp9L,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-26T19:15:59.587+0000) > > and 10 games isnt that much. If you truely play well enough to be silver you'll get enough LP to climb back. yeah i dont think ill play 100 matches to gain silver back you dont realise what teammates you get put with
> [{quoted}](name=TYDorGaminGG,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=LEP5Tp9L,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-26T19:17:31.103+0000) > > yeah i dont think ill play 100 matches to gain silver back you dont realise what teammates you get put with Try playing about 30 games and see where you end. You have an entire season to climb.
: > [{quoted}](name=Heraimish,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=LEP5Tp9L,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-26T19:12:49.476+0000) > > I think your acutal mmr was below silver 4 so you ended up lower after placement matches. {{sticker:zombie-nunu-tears}}
> [{quoted}](name=TYDorGaminGG,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=LEP5Tp9L,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-26T19:13:47.328+0000) > > {{sticker:zombie-nunu-tears}} and 10 games isnt that much. If you truely play well enough to be silver you'll get enough LP to climb back.
: > [{quoted}](name=Heraimish,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=LEP5Tp9L,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-26T19:10:03.286+0000) > > Did you win any games? Normally you start placements 1 tier below your old rank, which would be Bronze 4 and then you can get a better rank in the rest of your placement matches. Maybe your MMR was really low? i won 3 games out of 10 and idk about the mmr stuff
> [{quoted}](name=TYDorGaminGG,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=LEP5Tp9L,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-26T19:11:03.674+0000) > > i won 3 games out of 10 and idk about the mmr stuff I think your acutal mmr was below silver 4 so you ended up lower after placement matches.
: > [{quoted}](name=Heraimish,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=LEP5Tp9L,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-26T19:07:28.638+0000) > > Did you finish all your placement matches? i did all 10 matches
> [{quoted}](name=TYDorGaminGG,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=LEP5Tp9L,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-01-26T19:07:59.545+0000) > > i did all 10 matches Did you win any games? Normally you start placements 1 tier below your old rank, which would be Bronze 4 and then you can get a better rank in the rest of your placement matches. Maybe your MMR was really low?
: why the hell did i get iron
Did you finish all your placement matches?
: No, it's not... All the account that I play against have no history from last season which means they're smurfing (in silver elo). This could be bad for low elo player who's trying to finish their placement because their game will be fill with smurf lv 30 accounts
you smurf and you complain about smurfs. How are you not part of the problem?
: Why Not Just Track The MMR Of Each Position Behind The Scenes? Why Position Ranks?
That's what they're doing. They track your MMR over different positions and your rank/LP reflects your positional MMR.
: Why don't I get chest for S in ranked?
1. you don't have chests available or 2. you already have a chest for that champion. 3. I dunno probably a bug
Nadiri (NA)
: New ranked system is garbage.
You were silver 4 last season, don't act like bronze 2 in only 8 games is the worst that can happen. You only have to promote 2 times and you're back to your old rank.
: The Fill Role in the new matchmaking system
They should increase the splashing effect when you play fill so you rank up all your roles about evenly.
Ada Wong (NA)
: You can get banned from positional matchmaking?
If you get assigned a role (top for example) and you don't want to play that role, you can ask your teammates to switch. If they don't want to switch and you still go to another lane (mid for example), that is considered trolling and you can get punished for that. So as long as the person you switched with agreed with it, you shouldn't be punished. It's only when you play on someone else's position without consent that you can get banned.
: I've Played League for 4 Years and I Still Don't Know my Role
If positional ranking gets introduced in EUW you can finally see what role's your best!
Totenau (EUW)
: Placements Question
You end up about one whole tier below where you ended last season. I ended Silver 4 and after 1 placement game I'm Bronze 4. You still have more placement matches before you get your final rank and you can't lose LP during those matches.
: > [{quoted}](name=Heraimish,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=R6A89OVj,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-01-24T18:53:57.282+0000) > > In previous seasons you could win 10 placement games and still end up a whole tier below your old rank (from gold 5 to silver 5 for example). This season it's much better. Could =/= did. You always had some players complain about dropping in rank significantly despite going 8-2, meanwhile others could go 5-5 or 6-4 and stay in the same division or even move up. I finished s7 in gold 4, and went 6-4 in placements to get gold 3 last season. It all depends on MMR. In all likelihood OP had lower MMR than his rank at the end of S8. In contrast at the end of season 7 I had Plat 5 MMR despite only being ranked gold 4, so while technically my rank went up, it actually still went down a little (based on MMR) as expected.
> [{quoted}](name=ValyrianBlade,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=R6A89OVj,comment-id=00030001,timestamp=2019-01-24T19:42:28.746+0000) > > Could =/= did. > > You always had some players complain about dropping in rank significantly despite going 8-2, meanwhile others could go 5-5 or 6-4 and stay in the same division or even move up. > > I finished s7 in gold 4, and went 6-4 in placements to get gold 3 last season. > > It all depends on MMR. In all likelihood OP had lower MMR than his rank at the end of S8. In contrast at the end of season 7 I had Plat 5 MMR despite only being ranked gold 4, so while technically my rank went up, it actually still went down a little (based on MMR) as expected. yes it was a bit wierd, depending on if your MMR was too high or low. Now you only play 1 game and you see the rank you get if you go 0-10. It feels more fair than 10 games and being unsure where you'll end up.
Deeto (EUW)
: What the actual F*ck?
In previous seasons you could win 10 placement games and still end up a whole tier below your old rank (from gold 5 to silver 5 for example). This season it's much better.
Pirkka (NA)
: New Ranked System opinions?
I feel it's healthier to put new players at the bottom and let them climb up, instead of putting 50% in a boosted rank they will drop out of. I hope positional ranks are recieved well so they ship it worldwide.
Semasu (NA)
: Where do you think i'll be placed after my first game?
Nadiri (NA)
: New ranked system kind of suks.
All your ranks are tied together so you can't be bronze in mid and diamond in top, at most you can be platinum mid and diamond top. Unless there's some wierd bug.
: so i went from +21 - 18 to +27 -14 all of a sudden
From reading some other posts, it seems Riot changed the requirements to enter specific ranks, making some players get much more LP then before. Either that or it's another bug?
FSRER (EUNE)
: Incoming Kayle rework.
Recently got autofilled jungle in a ranked game, switched to top and played Kayle (I normally play adc). Got shit on in lane by Aatrox, managed to survive laning face (although i was 2 levels behind). I ended up getting a quadra kill in a teamfight when the enemy team ignored me and i could just right click away. Fun champion. :)
: 2W-7L Bronze 3 Player in Upper Gold/Low Plat MMR Ranked Game.
Doing a little sneak peak on op.gg. It appears the Bronze player was gold in season 7. They lost a few games, but since their account was already ranked before, their MMR doesn't drop a lot form only 7 losses.
AORVAL (NA)
: The Plat Experience
You have won 44 out of your last 80 ranked games, according to your op.gg. That's a 55% winrate. So overall you're still climbing. Maybe because you play against better players now it's harder to carry a team that doesn't play too well.
: Just played a 5v5 draft against "Bup", a grandmaster with 582 rank, i'm silver
From what I can see on op.gg this Grandmaster player is playing normal games with 3 premade friends, who are around bronze/silver. I think the system puts them around silver level because of the premade instead of inflating their MMR.
: Can Riot explain ranked logic too me?
Your MMR is higher than your rank, so you get placed against gold level players. It takes your rank some time to adjust to your MMR.
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