JuiceBoxP (EUNE)
: The reason i think tanks are bad right now.
Didn't know that Riven, Darius, Yorick, Nasus, Renekton, Fiora had the same amount CC as Nauti, Braum, Amumu, Malphite, Zac, Alistar, Maokai, Leona. Interesting. Tanks aren't played because playing tanks means having an actual team that kills the carries and follows your engages. Right now, tanks only work in competitive play. In S5 when it was "tank meta" tanks literally were played because they had CC, resistances/hp AND THE DAMAGE to kill carries. Now you are too dependant on 4 randoms in soloq.
: Riven counters Darius. Still mostly skill-based, but: bad riven > bad dar good riven > good dar good dar > bad riven Because her laning pattern is a more extreme version of Renekton's, and the in-out playstyle is good against Dar, especially when her E outranges and has a lower CD than dar's E. She statchecks better via conqueror abuse too, as the game goes on. Dar only counters her really late in the game, like lvl14 ish? Game is usually decided by then.
Key to beating Riven is 1) Out DPSing/bursting her 2)Cancelling/avoid her CC (knock up and stun) Darius should win if Riven doesn't have much pen and Darius has thornmail to negate her healing. After shock is all nice and good but you need to hit your E for that and a good Riven won't let you do that. I would say the best rune against Riv would be phase rush. Rivens trading pattern is that she "escapes" before the enemy can do anything, waiting for CDs and then trade again until she can safely all in you. She is strong because she has mobility, phase rush will keep up with the mobility just fine if used well. For early pressure ignite and she definitly shouldnt be able to win. Yet again, it highly depends on how aggressive the Riven is and how she uses her spells. Against Darius, a good Riven will definitly not waste a single Q to get in range and rather walk up to deal damage with Q1 and Q2 and disengage with E Q3. But I am by no means a Darius expert. I just had Darius players make laning hell with phase rush which always forced a pretty defensive playstyle. EDIT:Answered the wrong guy because of boards bug. Sorry about that one
: > The changes dropped her winrate. **But ~~you~~ it DIDN'T** https://youtu.be/Wf9FYqkyfIw?t=4
I mean I can't drop the winrate I have almost 60% winrate every season with her (I know that you mean the video lmao). Her winrates did drop tho. Across all elos. Significantly in low elo. Yesterday when I looked her up her winrate was below 50% until gold and got to 51% at platin. It was at something around 53% in platin pre nerfs as far as I remember.
: > [{quoted}](name=Wilk Rycerz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=seHZtAan,comment-id=000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-15T16:32:31.394+0000) > > https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/287799626168401921/600362423630823434/Capture.PNG > > ????? > > > Do you even read your own sources past the headline? > > And no, I don't main Riven. And no, I don't have any kind of personal bias. My argument comes from the fact that people like OP lie about stats, misrepresent the facts, and argue for extreme nerfs for a champion that for the most part is fine where she is, and the board's user base just doesn't like her since she can beat them, so instead of changing their play, they instead argue that she should just be nerfed instead. Guess who many people would consider her biggest Counter? Exactly, Renekton (51%) and Darius 52% WR. That's what I mean.
No single soul counts Renekton or Darius her counters. Darius back then, when he wasn't telegraphed (old Q) and when you couldn't dash out of his E, THAT Darius countered her. Now, Riven actually is a Darius counter since the rework. Even when he was completely busted, Riven would win the laning phase. Renekton is considered a skill matchup, even by Renekton mains. Renekton is a lane bully against a lot of champs but Riven IS a skill matchup. It's harder to face a non braindead Garen than a decent Renekton, simply because_how the kits interact._ But that's not the problem here. Her damage didn't do shit. Low elo players doesn't abuse that 1 sec and high elo players already timed their Qs to reset perfectly that she can throw out another combo. That one second was literally pseudo. Her E did hit her hard which just forced her to trade less. What Riven needs is 1)Deaths dance going through shields or the healing gutted 2)shojin removed 3)conqueror only stackable by autoattacks. If anyone here would play her and actually remember the switch from lethality/pen to DD+Cleaver would KNOW that glass cannon Riven is pretty much trash and extremely hard to pull off. Riven mains WANT lethality "I burst your entire team if did right" Riven back.
: Usernames for a Lux/Ahri main
Can't believe nobody mentioned that one: Ahri x Lux, I am sure rule 34 got a few things there hehe
Chiken138 (EUW)
: Revert the Riven buffs
The changes dropped her winrate. Anyway, dia is a bad way to doom a champ op. People are expected to stomp with their mains, especially if they are dedicated enough to get to dia with their main. Platin+ is a bit more reliable there.
: My point was, you can use the relative difference in queue times between roles to determine which roles are more popular. In my case, Top is highly contested.
I understood your point. In your case it is highly contested. In my case, I get/get filled more top than any other role. I don't remember last time playing supp in a ranked because of fill. Probably because I am on EUW and in gold. Lucky you that you get the roles you want. I have met several people with the same problems in soloq
: I get 3 minute queues for Top or Mid. 30 second queues for jungle and 1 minute queues for Support or ADC. Top is one of the most popular roles.
The Q times are fine, it's just that I get my secondary role AFTER 20-30secs of waiting. Problem is that I don't get my primary role when I have top picked as second. Maybe it's because I am low elo (gold 2) and in EUW.
Yenn (NA)
: I've gone 14 consecutive games without getting my primary role. This is not acceptable.
Everytime I pick Mid/Top I get 90% top. It's a fucknig joke. People say jungle is the least popular role but it's definitly top. Everytime I pick mid/jungle I get mid almost everytime.
: Who are your top 2 champs per position? Please comment
Top: Riven/Irelia Jungle: practically anything but mostly J4/Eve Mid: Zed or Viktor/Syndra ADC: Cait/Lucian Supp: Pyke, and if I get filled and don't get Pyke --> Nami Everyone except Lucian and Zed are my "tryhard" champs. Really only playing them to ruin other peoples day. Especially Riven, Viktor, J4. Lucian and Zed are just too fun not to play :P
: ***
No, he didn't even get an assist. LB did all the damage.
GigglesO (NA)
: Assassins are too tanky for their mobility + damage.
So since the replay is very misleading and it really does look like Kayn is insanely tanky: I looked at your opgg and saw that not only was that Kayn insanely fed compared to your entire team, your bot (Ashe in particular) was inting as hell which means they were too behind to burst ANYONE. Kayn also build MAW and had cleaver too. So, on top of your mates/carries dealing 0 damage because they were pretty behind (from level too) Kayn also build against AP. The Sion is full tank which means he won't be dealing much damage anyway, especially since a point blank ult won't be charged enough for full damage. Also, correct me if I am wrong, but Nami healed Kayn too (can't see it properly tbh). And let's assume Ashe would be even with Kayn: She literally just ulted, used W, went into stopwatch because of LB and used one single AA, _as a champ that mainly deals damage with her AAs._ As much as I want blue Kayn to be nerfed, this isn't a good example :/ BTW: Lb killed your ADC, not Kayn. He didn't even get an assist.
Fizzfood (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=HopeStartsWithU,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=BgucT2JG,comment-id=000a00000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-07-09T10:55:06.653+0000) > > Damn my guy, this was about things that can tilt you (jgl missing smite is just one out of many). Not about how bad junglers are lmao. I play a lot of jungle myself and I tilt too when **I** fail smite. Why you gotta concentrate on that one sentence, ripping it out of context for whatever reason? > > Anyway, there is no comeback when 2 out of 5 people INTENTIONALLY (read OPs case again if you forgot) troll the game. There is no win condition. It's lost. Anyone in such a situation will agree. If you are 5v5 just losing by an inhib, NOBODY would FF in such a situation. OPs situation is a bit more extreme. > > You kinda missed the point of the entire post, sorry bro, happens I guess. BS I got screenshots of it in low elo. My team fed 68 kills. I contributed 8 of those deaths and carried as PANTHEON in a game that went 39 minutes which is well past where Panth begins to fall off.
Dude what I am saying is that we aren't on the same page. Your team obviously TRIED to win. Can't say that about OPs case. It happens, not very often but it does. You are commenting prob on the wrong guy lmao Games like you experienced happen in high gold/platin too but they are completely different cases.
Grým (NA)
: It def still happens when if the game closes on its own happens to me all time and let it close on it own every time.
I noticed it happens a lot less if you let the game close itself. But yeah, it does happen. This shit wasn't even an issue last season.
Fizzfood (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=HopeStartsWithU,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=BgucT2JG,comment-id=000a000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-08T16:30:07.368+0000) > >Losing the game because your jungler fail smited baron will tilt a lot of people pretty hard too. Sorry I missed on that 50/50 y'all forced me into there. Sorry I didn't hit FF with you after. No one's ever fended off a Baron buff before. Top 5 reasons why I leave game featuring me: 1.) Only got 15 minutes so let's make this quick. 2.) *FIRST BLOOD* "GG lane open FF at 15." 3.)"You took 2CS!" 4.) /allchat "I wouldn't be 0 and 6 pre 10 if our idiot JG would gank me!" 5.) "SMITE FAIL JG DIFF" Leaving games is dumb. Especially in low elo. The comeback potential is insane. You can save absolute gutter games with one solid play. Sometimes you take the L but I always like to know I did my best to salvage it.
Damn my guy, this was about things that can tilt you (jgl missing smite is just one out of many). Not about how bad junglers are lmao. I play a lot of jungle myself and I tilt too when **I** fail smite. Why you gotta concentrate on that one sentence, ripping it out of context for whatever reason? Anyway, there is no comeback when 2 out of 5 people INTENTIONALLY (read OPs case again if you forgot) troll the game. There is no win condition. It's lost. Anyone in such a situation will agree. If you are 5v5 just losing by an inhib, NOBODY would FF in such a situation. OPs situation is a bit more extreme. You kinda missed the point of the entire post, sorry bro, happens I guess.
Hotarµ (NA)
: > Except, that there is nothing wrong with AFKing in such situations. You aren't putting anyone behind nor does it negatively impact the game because the game is already done for. This mentality is the biggest problem with our community. _The game is not over until a Nexus explodes._ Does it suck to deal with some situations? Of course, I'm not a robot, there are plenty of games that I want to leave because my teammates are children or intentionally feeding. **But** when you accept the queue, you're agreeing to play the game out until it's _officially_ over, not because you're having a bad experience or a teammate makes a mistake. You don't get to pick and choose when to leave because the game isn't going your way, that's not how things work. >The surrender vote is made so you can actually give up when the game seems unwinnable. Yeah, and when the overwhelming majority of your team can't get the vote to pass, _you keep playing the game until it's officially over._ No player has the power or the right to single-handedly decide the outcome of a game against the wishes of 3-4 other people. >The case OP described doesn't happen in 90% of the games but it doesn't mean other games aren't as tilting. Losing the game because your jungler fail smited baron will tilt a lot of people pretty hard too. > The whole "no matter what, don't leave your game" thing is doomed wrong because the rules say so. Morally, there is really nothing left to do in such a game anymore and I NEVER leave a game. No matter how bad a game was, I have never left it. But I actually do understand the OP instead of playing the fake good guy. I have been hold hostage enough in my games, to the point that I raged and got myself a chat restriction. I wish I would have just left the game instead. Nobody is saying that the game can't be tilting, we're saying that AFKing isn't the right option. Morally speaking, you shouldn't AFK because you're doing a disservice to yourself, Riot Games, the League community, the allies _and_ the enemies on your team. Nobody is saying you have to put on a show and continue to be openly optimistic, frankly I think that's a stupid thing to do. If you're tilted, forcing yourself into a false state of mind can do more harm than good. _However_, you should be able to focus on the win conditions of a game and stay constructive rather than giving up at the drop of a hat.
You see, my opinion about this matter is that I wouldn't care/report someone who leaves the game in a situation like this. It is understandable. The whole "but uhhh ur mates/enemy/riot" thing doesn't make sense here. The enemy team doesn't care at this point of the game and most likely would report the trolls. The enemy team would appreciate someone going afk simply because they want the juicy LP. Riots system doesn't look at what others do, if you can live with leaver buster for 5 minutes because you left one game which was insanely toxic out of thousands then the system won't do shit nor will Riot as a company. Your mates that troll don't care and hope for you to leave so the game ends faster AND that the guy gets reported and eventually punished. The sane, morally good, guys in your team will hope that someone else leaves so they can at least stop sweating like maniacs for nothing. No human should be stupid enough to put up with such games, yet I, and many others, do because it is obviously the "right" thing to do. BUT I still wouldn't care if my mid would leave the game after 20 minutes struggling while your bot keeps inting and inting with troll picks. And to get more into your arguments: > But when you accept the queue, you're agreeing to play the game out until it's officially over, not because you're having a bad experience or a teammate makes a mistake. You don't get to pick and choose when to leave because the game isn't going your way, that's not how things work. I like that part of your text. You are technically right and it's like a contract: Don't keep up with it and you get punished. At the same time, if I have to put up with trolls every other game for, let's say, 100 games then someone else can put up with me leaving in the worst possible way a game could go after several surrender votes failing. And that would be just one game. Technically, the other guy has to put up with it because that's the rule. The game is over when 2 players out of 5 decide to ruin the game for 3 others. The 3 others can do what they can, _except surrender._ Winning is the least likely one, _especially when it's THAT easy to snowball the game._ I mean, I surely can see why you would think the way you do but I genuinely don't see any reason to not leave in such situations except for "Riot said so." Every other argument doesn't bring weight.
Hotarµ (NA)
: > I mean in the end, what's more important? Upholding some arbitrary set of rules put into place to punish the trolls? Or your mental state? Sitting in a game where you are becoming a victim of a harmful ideology (never surrendur) or a victim of people who are abusing the system put into place (never leave no matter what even if the trolls are trolling) literally holds ***zero*** value for me or whoever is in the situation. Pushing through an extra 5-25 minutes in a game won't degrade your mental state to the point where it becomes problematic. If you're consistently running into those games, play with a premade and try to regulate or limit your exposure to the game if it's that much of a detriment. Realistically speaking, a few of these games every now and then isn't going to severely damage your mentality or health. > I don't care what Riot says, if I deem it healthier for me to just leave the game\* then there's nothing they can do to stop me, and as long as I am making sure to put a good chunk of time between my games that I leave, the system probably won't think anything of it. If you do it consistently, you're going to receive punishments. If you do it sparingly, yeah, I doubt you'll receive any severe consequences. Ultimately, my point is: Don't queue up for a game if you can't handle whatever is thrown at you. The overwhelming majority of games (90%+, probably more) end in about 30-40 minutes and if 20 minutes of that is enough to damage your mental health, you should probably limit your exposure to that game or multiplayer games in general. If your team agrees to continue playing, you _owe_ it to them to continue trying. If a duo is preventing the vote from passing, bite the bullet and play it out. It's unfortunate but that's the risk you run when you accept the queue. There's zero reason to AFK. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Except, that there is nothing wrong with AFKing in such situations. You aren't putting anyone behind nor does it negatively impact the game because the game is already done for. The surrender vote is made so you can actually give up when the game seems unwinnable. The case OP described doesn't happen in 90% of the games but it doesn't mean other games aren't as tilting. Losing the game because your jungler fail smited baron will tilt a lot of people pretty hard too. The whole "no matter what, don't leave your game" thing is doomed wrong because the rules say so. Morally, there is really nothing left to do in such a game anymore and I NEVER leave a game. No matter how bad a game was, I have never left it. But I actually do understand the OP instead of playing the fake good guy. I have been hold hostage enough in my games, to the point that I raged and got myself a chat restriction. I wish I would have just left the game instead.
Voluug13 (NA)
: No champion that has mana is more braindead that Zed. Its factually impossible, just for the fact that you have to actually manage a limited, slow regenerating resource.
I really thought about writing a long ass text about why your comment (and your bias) couldn't be more wrong. But then I realised I have been downvoted for saying Zed is,** IN MY OPINION**, more fun than Talon and at the same time siginificantly harder. At the same time some dude said "it's **factually** impossible" with the only argument being that Zed has energy instead of mana. Which, in fact, makes it harder to throw out MORE than one rotation compared to mana champs, especially important on assassin roles so they aren't useless even if they CDs are back up (and if you didn't understand: Zed still has to wait for his energy even if all of his CDs are up, Talon doesn't, he can just pull out another rotation of abilities). Meaning, no facts have been stated against my (provocative) opinion. But, eh, not worth the time.
Xavanic (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=DGAGAAsharpAGD,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Gj07TnzW,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-07T09:51:09.916+0000) > > There is no reason to pick Zed if Talon is open. but yet everyone goes zed instead of talon.....
Zed is a lot more fun than Talon. Talon is pretty braindead compared to Zed lul Btw that is just my opinion, I suck on both champs. But I like to play Zed a lot compared to Talon
: > [{quoted}](name=HopeStartsWithU,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EIEtoFYI,comment-id=000100000000000000000001000000010000000000010000,timestamp=2019-07-06T12:21:55.040+0000) > > No mana costs? Bruh, orange and Q eat his mana which is why he is so dependant on klepto and pots. Alright are we talking about GP at a high level or at a low level? Cuz high level GP's don't run Klepto, they run Grasp unless it's an easy as hell matchup and they want Klepto stuff. If he doesn't use W, he can use his Q a total of ~11 times when used spammingly at levels 1-4 and he really has no reason to use W since he also runs Revitalize, Corrupting, Biscuits and Bone Plating all for DR/Healing. Unless he's being all-inned, which means the opponent is getting hit with a barrel (which costs no mana) and his passive too. Purely from his Q alone, he can dish out 990 physical damage +44% of his maximum health magic damage from a safe distance over 55 seconds. Tell me who can outsustain that. This isn't even including barrel damage. And once he backs? Well now he has 350 extra mana from Sheen and rank 3 Q that deals more damage, is proccing Sheen and now costs 10 less mana. Have fun.
And thats assuming the ideal laning phase with the enemy toplaner doing nothing. Sustain, hp per 5 secs, enemy having also some sustain runes + armor, enemy actually stopping the barrels and punishing GPs barrel CD once he uses 3 barrels. https://www.probuilds.net/champions/details/41 High elos do pick klepto but they are FORCED to pick grasps simply because of how toplane works. Counter or get countered. GP doesn't have any major matchups that he stomps, unlike any other toplaner. He is uninteractive because one barrel behind his back is always his escape but he is not "OP" or his poke "too strong." He literally only farms and hopes for the enemy to start some random shit that will backfire badly. A Renekton will heal up with Q and all in him and will force the GP to use W. Riven can block major damage with her E and dash out of barrels with ease. Quinn/Kennen/Jayce/Karma can destroy barrels easily thanks to their range. Irelia/Yasuo can dash out if they watch the minions carefully. Tahm Kench will literally tank every single shit he does but that applies to almost every enemy TK faces. He will either poke you and has to go melee to farm or he will use his Q to farm/poke and will lose his mana quickly. Your math is nice but it won't apply to real life situations, especially not when GP uses his Q to farm once in a while since he can't just risk it all and go for the melee kills.
: If you actually have mana costs on GP your doing something horribly wrong lmao. He gets soo much free mana from Biscuits Corrupting potion and sometimes even manaflowband that he literally never runs out of mana.
80 mana on W is low I guess. 60 mana on a poking ability is fine I guess.
Zeyphel (NA)
: 2 options: 1- You don't play Gangplank. Therefore you don't know the spamming Q meme. 2- You play Gangplank and are completely Biased. And yes, his Q has almost no mana cost and he even starts corrupting potions most of the times so he can spam Q on you infinitely.
1) I don't know it exactly. Because that shit was before his rework when he literally just pressed Q. His Q damage is a joke. 2) I barely play him because I am too rusty on him. I am a filthy biased Riven main tho. Almost no mana costs, yet so dependant on potions, runes (klepto and biscuits) and if really needed: mana crystal/dorans as a beginning. You can call me biased or a bad player but a champ dependant on so much definitly has enough mana problems. Btw, his W also costs mana, starting at 80(!). His Q starts at 60, which IS a lot. You wanna know who has no mana problems? Xerath and that WITHOUT any additions from runes.
: If you actually have mana costs on GP your doing something horribly wrong lmao. He gets soo much free mana from Biscuits Corrupting potion and sometimes even manaflowband that he literally never runs out of mana.
Well, thanks for saying the same thing I said, I guess? The "free mana" comes from runes. Which means he is sacrificing other runes for sustain. Which, again, is a solid strategy against lane bullies which toplane is full with.
: His early is trash? My guy he spams barrels and Q on CD with no mana costs at all which sends you back to base after 3 Qs. Where is his early game bad?
No mana costs? Bruh, orange and Q eat his mana which is why he is so dependant on klepto and pots. Early lane bullies like Riven and Rene destroy him. His early compared to other toplaners IS bad. And if you get hit by early barrel then don't play toplane anymore. His barrels are trash pre 7, even setting those barrels up is hard work because not a single smart toplaner would even allow GP to trigger his combo. There is so much cancer on top like Tahm Kench, Urgot, Kennen, Karma, Quinn, Pantheon, Riven, Renekton and you say GPs early is fine? Sorry bro, but GP really isn't a problem here.
: > [{quoted}](name=HommeGoujon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EIEtoFYI,comment-id=00010000000000000000000100000001,timestamp=2019-07-05T20:01:10.340+0000) > > Not to be picky but on that link, it says GP's WR is 51.61%, not 49%. And 52.87% WR vs Renekton. Playing Renekton vs GP is not fun at all. It's not the worst but I place this matchup into my "toxic" matchup list (personal opinion). > > That's all :) I use u.gg and not op.gg since the first one is more reliable. Also you refer to overall WR, Renekton can roflstomp Gangplank, as I usually do. It is not that fun, but getting a Kill everytime he goes for Q makes it worth it.
The problem with GP is the same as Kayle: His early is insanely trash and he is easily beaten BUT if you know your champ (GP) and have the right combination with runes (sustain, graps etc) you can go EVEN with every enemy. GP may be trash but he has the capability to make a lane very uninteractive. But definitly not at Karma/Kench level
: Played Grasp GP, Boneplating, Corrupting Pot and Ignite Top. Was funny tho.
> [{quoted}](name=SuicidePlank,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=beqWHrTu,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-03T04:11:00.043+0000) > > Played Grasp GP, Boneplating, Corrupting Pot and Ignite Top. > Was funny tho. swap out ignite for exhaust and see Riven mains cry how OP gp and how unkillable he is lmao and then write in all chat "lul u just trash bruh" plus some jungle ganks and boom afk Riven
: Nerf Kaisa
https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Kaisa/ADC/ Doesn't look that bad. A Hyper-Carry is supposed to deal tons of damage. Her getting fed is on you (or on your team), it's pretty easy to shut her down before she gets all her upgrades.
: Can you clarify exactly what you mean? I know it's just a meme, but it can be hard to get all the info at once. From what I remember, Clash failed because servers were crashing. Isn't TFT just having crazy long queue times instead?
it has such a long Q time SO THE SERVERS WONT CRASH. Not because Riot actually thought about server stability. The mode launched unprepared.
MLG Katt (NA)
: Am I the only Yasuo player that want's him nerfed?
Nerfs won't do anything. He needs a rework. Maybe a reload style system on his E to restrict his mobility. But nerfing numbers won't change anything. Akali is "like that" because it's worthless picking her unless you are a god on her. A gutted Yasuo would be still annoying to deal with simply because of his mobility. The only similarity between Yasuo and Akali is that the player base is full of edgy weebs.
: yea eat dick riot
Lmao 27 days ago bruh. but ye eat that d riot! And to not meme around: this bug doesnt happen if the game closes on its own rather then quitting it right after the victory/defeat screen.
Rylalei (EUNE)
: Well, funny thing, Zed's lowest win rate is in Bronze at 50.07%, that's the lowest win rate Zed has, and it's also the highest play rate at 16%. His highest win rate and lowest play rate are in Challenger. So yes, Zed is actually more successful in games where people group, punish splitpushing and the dos and don't of playing against an assassin. But the thing is not that he's more successful there, but that his lowest win rate at that damn high playrate is 50%. Zed is actually at the moment a good "pick up and play" for the general player base, and most it's due to his passive.
You forget that people in bronze can't play against most champions. They are straight up bad. Being succesful with "complex" champs is easier down there. Obviously it's also easier to fuck up with said champs. If you observe some Zed haters here on the boards you will realise that the majority is silver. An elo in which people hardly understands counterpicks/counterplay.
Rock MD (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Dope Solo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EWRw90A9,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-06-19T01:53:30.951+0000) > > 1. Worth it, meaning no other single ban has more capacity for making a match fair/playable. Yuumi, lmao. Champion is gross and chokes out games when she's even. > 2. No other champ has the same capacity for roaming and wrecking an entire game all by itself. Talon > 3. Riot deletes anti-Zed posts. You mean like the Zed/Yasuo posts that go up to +50 once a week? > 4. Counterplay in league exists, just not on Zed who's been welfare pumped time and again into some rioters faker wet dream. He still has the same counterplay, including dodging his shurikens, Zhonya's, QSS, teamfight, and keep track of what shadows he's used. He also has no lane presence for the first 3-4 waves so you can set up massively for him. > 5. His range + damage on Q is toxic and shouldn't exist. It's on a long CD, it's very easily punishable as he no longer has tools to control the wave, and buying armor goes a long way into making it not very much damage. > 6. His escape capacity is extremely toxic and shouldn't exist. It's got a 20+ second CD and can't be used if he's using it for his "toxic damage". > 7. His wave clear is extremely strong for ZERO mana. His waveclear also forces him to get into melee range of the wave, making him a very easy target for skillshots. It is strong, conditional waveclear and when he activates that condition it's very easy to punish him. At the end of the day you can ban whatever the hell you want but none of these points are good. EDIT: was writing this half afk. QSS doesn't work on Zed ultimate.
Solid tips, well written but still downvoted. I have a bad feeling people are just here to cry rather than improve. Anyone who thinks Zed is broken is prob silver. Checking OPs op.gg shows that he is indeed silver. What a freaking coincidence.
Morbys (NA)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Morbys,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8h9EE9eK,comment-id=0000000200000000,timestamp=2019-06-17T19:18:01.285+0000) > > And yet EVERYTHING you listed isn't bannable, picking a certain champion isn't bannable, playing a strat your team doesn't like isn't bannable. As long as you are trying to win, it ISN'T BANNABLE. This seems to be a concept you mongoloids don't seem to grasp. How you react to what a player is doing, IE threatening, afking, and then getting your team to make a false report. That is bannable. Grieving your mates IS bannable. Leaving your role for another role IS trolling. A support ONLY supporting the mid other than every other lane IS trolling. Practically AFKing on BOT AS A SUPPORT IS TROLLING/GRIEVING. Stealing the XP OF YOUR MID AND PUTTING HIM BEHIND IS TROLLING. Your ADC will most likely get killed by their JGL and BOT while that Teemo desperately "supports" against a Midlaner who usually has the waveclear/range to just hold the lane, WHICH YOUR ADC C A N N O T do. Stop it. You are making a fool of yourself. You obviously wouldn't want that guy in your team, as YOUR support. You also wouldn't copy his playstyle knowing damn well that you would abandon your ADC alone to die on bot. And your dumb argument "he tried to win" guess what? I could go Zed ADC and act if I really tried to win and even if I win I am damn sure it won't be because I carried the game. The guy has a 47% winrate on Teemo in OVER 400 games. This isn't "trying to win" this is just trying to have fun in a competitive elo. He is Masters because of the other champs he play so well, not because of his braindead Teemo pick. Your summoners code argument literally makes zero sense because the summoners code says grieving is toxic which leads to bans. His team didn't like playing with him. Pros, High elo players, Streamers ALL complained about this guy months ago and reported him several time. NB3 was the final nail. Stop defending this idiot already.
: It took Riot less than a couple hours to Ban a player at a Streamers Direction.
Everyone on these boards that hate on NB3 are literally the same guys who would spam the boards and say "why is matchmaking so shit, too many trolls." The Teemo player obviously doesn't just play Teemo. He loses the majority of his games with Teemo and compensates with other champs as seen in his op.gg. Pro players even agreed and supported NB3 because of how many games this Teemo guy ruined. The Rioter even ADMITTED that he heard about that guy already and would look more into it. Everyone here likes to ignore that part from the discord chat. High elo players (and pros who directly work with Riot) reported the guy several months ago and nothing happened. NB3 was just the last report. And to the ones saying he didnt do anything wrong: Wanna be white knights, who obviously lie lmao gtfo none of you would play with this dumb teemo. You hypocrites just push that shit because you hate on NB not because you want that Teemo unbanned. Stop that shit, it's tiring.
Dasdi96 (NA)
: Tahm kench has 280 base damage, 70% slow on a 4 second cooldown.
Pyke with conq is probably the best matchup against him, ignoring his shield, pretty much more sustain after extended fights and can disengage with E instantly. Until they fix him either ban him or Pyke him
: > [{quoted}](name=HopeStartsWithU,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=e4EtT18A,comment-id=000b0000,timestamp=2019-06-15T08:18:05.107+0000) > > There is a difference between playing a role with an off meta champ and getting a certain role AND NOT PLAYING ON SAID ROLE. This is what the Teemo guy does. It's the Singed situation all over again except that the Teemo guy doesn't necessarily win his games. The ADC has to play 1v2, the others gradually lose XP and they are all put behind because of that one guy. NB3 may be an asshole but he at least wins his games, even with shit picks, can't say that about the Teemo dude > > Also Riot said the last time that it would be fine if the team agrees for your off role playstyle. Same with "open mid" when everyone agrees to do that. So about those ToS that say you have to ask your team because I'm really trying to see wtf that is.
> [{quoted}](name=OtakuBurrito,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=e4EtT18A,comment-id=000b00000000,timestamp=2019-06-15T11:12:04.521+0000) > > So about those ToS that say you have to ask your team because I'm really trying to see wtf that is. Sorry, I didn't clarify it enough I guess. So, when you swap roles with someone, both of you agree to do it. In other words, it's fine if you go mid instead of top and he goes top instead of mid. It's not written in the ToS but it's legitimate because, obviously, nobody is offended by that decision. Nobody can hold you accountable because IN CHAT, everyone AGREED that it's fine. In this case even proplayers like doublelift said that they didn't like the Teemo dude and wanted him banned for months. The lol subreddit has some more insight to it if you want to read more about it. Fact is, people side with Teeto main because it's NB3 ranting. 99% of the league boards wouldn't want that guy in their team. Especially not the ADC that is supposed to play 1vs2 for the entire laning.
: Wait wait wait what? Where in the ToS does it say you have to ask your team is it okay to do an off-meta pick? If that's the case then NB3 needs to banned yesterday for all the off-meta jungle strategies he does and doesn't ask are okay. For a game that prided itself of letting players choose they sure don't give us much choice.
> [{quoted}](name=OtakuBurrito,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=e4EtT18A,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2019-06-15T06:00:26.872+0000) > > Wait wait wait what? > > Where in the ToS does it say you have to ask your team is it okay to do an off-meta pick? If that's the case then NB3 needs to banned yesterday for all the off-meta jungle strategies he does and doesn't ask are okay. > > For a game that prided itself of letting players choose they sure don't give us much choice. There is a difference between playing a role with an off meta champ and getting a certain role AND NOT PLAYING ON SAID ROLE. This is what the Teemo guy does. It's the Singed situation all over again except that the Teemo guy doesn't necessarily win his games. The ADC has to play 1v2, the others gradually lose XP and they are all put behind because of that one guy. NB3 may be an asshole but he at least wins his games, even with shit picks, can't say that about the Teemo dude Also Riot said the last time that it would be fine if the team agrees for your off role playstyle. Same with "open mid" when everyone agrees to do that.
: Thank you for openly discriminating against Yasuo players and insulting them. Your post has been reported.
That doesn't make sense lol I am agreeing with you.
Terozu (NA)
: A lie is an intentionally false statement. A liar is someone who tells a lie. I didn't say anything false let alone intentionally. So no I'm not a liar. Also not 'talking shit' so... Maybe don't interject into an already finished convos to insult someone?
First of, you are right I should have let the convo just died and ignored it. But at the same time, in a game that changes every 2 weeks either to the better or to the worse, picking up stats from over 6 months ago is just manipulating others who don't check stats. Or lying over stats to fit a highly biased opinion. You obviously KNEW that because only an idiot would think the game wouldn't change in 6 months (that is from preseason to midseason btw). I assume you are not an idiot. There is NO reason to add such a comment other than fuel the Yasuo hate. The point the post is BS stat wise and that people, like you, lie to fit this BS post, be it with false statistics or just bias.
: Riven should lose Blade of the Exile when she uses Wind Slash
That won't do anything. They just have to revert the recent changes, slightly nerf E CD and take out some damage from her passive and maybe even W. Thanks to conqueror she just deals too much damage early on and that shitty rune also gives her the sustain she lacked from the very start. Biggest issues are passive damage, E CD (which was nerfed and is fine rn), conqueror.
Terozu (NA)
: You... Don't know what lying is.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/lying I don't know brother, tell me. What does lying mean? Inaccurate statement? Knowingly saying untruth? You obviously knew that after 6 months (you can guess how many patches and changes these are) the meta changes. But downvote as much as you want. And talk shit as much as you want too, if it makes you feel any better.
Terozu (NA)
: Plat+ stats are less than like 20% of the games stats and going entirely by them is a huge mistake. Furthermore, I said last I checked, last time I checked was over 6 months ago. Don't go acting like an arrogant jack.
It's not a huge mistake. Dumping a champ just because people who can't play the game complain makes zero sense. If you intend on climbing, you should also intend on understanding match ups. Plat+ is the perfect sample size plus the right elo to measure how OP champs are because at high gold/plat people become better mechanically. Also picking a statistic from over 6 months ago just shows your bias and how wrong some posts are. It's not valid which means it's making up numbers to validate your biased opinion. You sir, are a liar.
: How does he have a sub 50% winrate mid then? https://www.op.gg/champion/yasuo/statistics/mid
Because they are all biased and blame their dumb decisions early game on a mobile champ.
: mid is the most contested role currently
It always was but I don't mind waiting more than a minute to get my primary role. Just giving me the secondary role after 20 seconds doesn't make sense.
: I mean, I keep getting top 24/7. Kinda tells you how much no one wants to play the role anymore. And sad thing is, I main top and I cant disagree with that.
There is just too much aids. Admittedly, I myself play aids (Riven most of the time) but honestly man, I can't deal with that shit anymore. I genuinely wait 40 secs max and still get my secondary role.
Rioter Comments
CD8 (NA)
: Anyone else find it odd that Qiyana is AD?
Honestly Ezreal being mainly AD always bugged me too lmao
: > [{quoted}](name=Hethalean,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AqYrANAF,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-10T15:58:27.211+0000) > > What does Nexus Blitz have to do with autochess? How can Riot profit off of a game mode that isn't theirs for a game that isn't something they own? Are they now making an auto chess mode? They are. It's still ridiculous to assume that Riot would cancel Nexus Blitz just because they want to develop another mode. Fact is that Nexus Blitz wasn't popular enough after missions for it ended.
> [{quoted}](name=DerMangoJoghurt,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=AqYrANAF,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-06-10T16:01:12.492+0000) > > They are. It's still ridiculous to assume that Riot would cancel Nexus Blitz just because they want to develop another mode. Fact is that Nexus Blitz wasn't popular enough after missions for it ended. always wanted to say: i like your name. geil :P
: TK top needs to be hotfixed
Pyke and maybe Sylas work fine against him. Aatrox CAN do well but it's harder than it looks like. Until they fix him you kinda have to ban him even tho there is more aids on top than TK actually is (trynda, irelia, riv) Not even his damage is the problem, it's just the insane amount of CC the guy has now. There is no escape against him, not even with Riven lol
: >It's childish and it's really not worth it but... And that's exactly why a Board called "Player Behaviour" shouldn't **encourage** a philosofy of "you banned my champ I'm gonna fuck the game as a revenge" >I would ruin the entire laning for this ADC and I mean it. This is actually worse than banning your teammates holded champ, you are literally griefing
well, just griefing the ADC, who griefed first. Not gonna throw away the game, just gonna make it more enjoyable to me and still try to win. Even if it means that one guy is gonna regret banning MY champ for the duration of that game. Instead of defending people who ban others champs people should encourage people to actually communicate. You are part of the problem. A jungler who gets flamed by one lane the whole time can tilt easily but that tilt can be stopped by someone else chiming in and saying "dont listen to this dude." Sorry, but acting like this situation is black and white won't solve the problem. Just because my ADC wants Janna as a support doesnt mean I will submit, I will still play what I want. You can call it "off meta" if you want to (implying that nobody is gonna int/troll the game or at least the 3 other players)
Show more

HopeStartsWithU

Level 221 (EUW)
Lifetime Upvotes
Create a Discussion