Falrein (EUW)
: Noxus vs Ionia, some stuff to take into account for round two
I'm supporting Noxus. They're definitely in the wrong and it would be horrible for all if they won, but I like them more.
Culinary (NA)
: If you wanted a champion(s) storyline to become a movie, which story would you want to see?
Ryze, probably. Because the search for the World Runes means he'd encounter loads of people along the way and more champions could be stuck in without ruining the plot. My villains of choice would be the Darkin, not the Voidborn. And my favourite protagonist would be Jax, not Ryze. But in terms of storytelling Ryze is the best choice.
: Are all Darkin in unique weapons?
Wouldn't be a pair of daggers. If a Darkin used both they'd get trapped in just one dagger. We do know that Darkin crafted and used their own weapons, so it wouldn't really be whatever they were holding. Probably all weapons are unique, because they made them themselves and so each one would have been different (eg, Aatrox uses a greatsword, another Darkin might use a rapier). The exceptions to that might be siblings, like Shabaka and Shabake, or Varus and Valeeva.
Rioter Comments
JPXtreme (NA)
: The Fifth Darkin, I think I know where it is
Just gonna wrap this all up: Aatrox, Varus, Rhaast and Valeeva are the four known Darkin, and they've all found hosts. The fifth Darkin has not found a host, and so it's just a weapon in a vault somewhere.
: > [{quoted}](name=Rathar Dashing,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=7FNEGE9X,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-02-22T11:23:31.827+0000) > > {{champion:104}} {{champion:222}} {{champion:18}} Jinx is one that came into mind. But somehow she seems to lack the "hard hitting" element. The satisfaction of...this is hard to explain. I know she uses bazookas and stuff but something is not right.
> [{quoted}](name=Zeppelins circus,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=7FNEGE9X,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-02-22T11:48:43.106+0000) > > Jinx is one that came into mind. But somehow she seems to lack the "hard hitting" element. The satisfaction of...this is hard to explain. > I know she uses bazookas and stuff but something is not right. Probably her high attack speed.
Jamaree (NA)
: Ever seen Avatar the Last Airbender? Maybe he bloodbends the innocent to his will?
> [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=7Euf2Efw,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-02-21T17:09:13.192+0000) > > Ever seen Avatar the Last Airbender? Maybe he bloodbends the innocent to his will? In Airbender, they aren't bent to that crazy old woman's will, she's just able to move their bodies. Vlad could easily do that.
Galiö (NA)
: Vladimir vs Galio
Well, blood magic doesn't mean much when your opponent can crush you. Probably just throwing soldiers at Galio or dragging them in front of him; Galio's unlikely to want to kill innocents.
: A List of Random Lore Questions
I can answer 3 and 4. The answer to 3 is yes, as confirmed in Vi's lore. The answer to 4 is no. He's an undead thing. For 2, I think so, but I've heard about "the Entity", a being stronger than Aurelion Sol.
Quepha (NA)
: The thing is that the lore was already out in the wild for people to become attached to while Riot ALWAYS has more new lore coming down the pipe. It's great that they want to create different lore to appeal to different people, but it makes no sense to do that by erasing something people have become attached to. When rewrites completely change core elements of a character it feels like they're flushing a healthy pet goldfish down the toilet because they found a new one with shinier scales.
> [{quoted}](name=Quepha,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=Qp97pA16,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-02-19T22:57:28.499+0000) > > The thing is that the lore was already out in the wild for people to become attached to while Riot ALWAYS has more new lore coming down the pipe. It's great that they want to create different lore to appeal to different people, but it makes no sense to do that by erasing something people have become attached to. > > When rewrites completely change core elements of a character it feels like they're flushing a healthy pet goldfish down the toilet because they found a new one with shinier scales. Agreed.
: Scathlocke's poor handling of character identity.
The Darkin retcon ruined them for me, sure, but some people loved the new concept. You're doing exactly what you accuse Riot of doing; saying "think like I do".
: > {{champion:245}} {{champion:222}} {{champion:254}} 's gang why is this shit still going around? pretty sure that was just a rumour during ekko's release which some headass added to the wiki back then. It was removed almost immediatly. Not to mention ekko currently being around 16 would have to be REAL young to be in a gang considering the gang takes place when vi was younger. seems like it was readded to the wiki... no ref to any evidence or confirmation from riot though. I'mma take it this is some more BS half the community takes for truth like jinx/vi being sisters. smh.
> [{quoted}](name=Jerry SeinfeId,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dlITXayT,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2019-02-18T18:45:15.238+0000) > > why is this shit still going around? pretty sure that was just a rumour during ekko's release which some headass added to the wiki back then. It was removed almost immediatly. > Not to mention ekko currently being around 16 would have to be REAL young to be in a gang considering the gang takes place when vi was younger. > > seems like it was readded to the wiki... no ref to any evidence or confirmation from riot though. I'mma take it this is some more BS half the community takes for truth like jinx/vi being sisters. smh. I swear a Rioter said it somewhere, but okay, until I find a source I'll assume it's not a thing.
: How do you explain him looking "hot" after 15 years of imprisonment and starvation? Did you know he has the same face as Kayn?
> [{quoted}](name=KFCeytron,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=TEbO65RQ,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-02-18T09:36:58.796+0000) > > How do you explain him looking "hot" after 15 years of imprisonment and starvation? > > Did you know he has the same face as Kayn? Is that your opinion or is his face on his splash art actually just reused from Kayn's?
GenoXx (NA)
: Ekko, Jinx, and Vi were never part of the same gang.
> [{quoted}](name=GenoXx,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dlITXayT,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2019-02-18T08:12:05.718+0000) > > Ekko, Jinx, and Vi were never part of the same gang. No, they were, before Ekko started his own gang, Jinx went insane, and Vi lost her memory.
Terozu (NA)
: There's a reason he says 'C', as in, with audible quotation marks. Pretty clearly addressing her as 'C' with a bit of mockery for the alias.
> [{quoted}](name=Terozu,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dlITXayT,comment-id=00000000000300000001,timestamp=2019-02-17T06:26:44.544+0000) > > There's a reason he says 'C', as in, with audible quotation marks. > > Pretty clearly addressing her as 'C' with a bit of mockery for the alias. I agree, but the possibility is still there - it could be in the same way that disapproving parents might refer to friends of their kids they don't like.
: > [{quoted}](name=Terozu,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dlITXayT,comment-id=000000000003,timestamp=2019-02-17T03:31:25.293+0000) > > His quote means she's C. > > Her grandniece doesn't know what activities she gets up to. > > There is literally no other reason for him to bring up C to Camille. Camille could just be associated with C, in which case Swain would be saying "should I inform your grandniece that you're in business with C?"
> [{quoted}](name=HyperStanners,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dlITXayT,comment-id=0000000000030000,timestamp=2019-02-17T06:21:05.870+0000) > > Camille could just be associated with C, in which case Swain would be saying "should I inform your grandniece that you're in business with C?" Just for the record I think Camille is C, but I'm arguing for the other side until I'm no longer able to, after which I'll accept it as fact.
Terozu (NA)
: His quote means she's C. Her grandniece doesn't know what activities she gets up to. There is literally no other reason for him to bring up C to Camille.
> [{quoted}](name=Terozu,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dlITXayT,comment-id=000000000003,timestamp=2019-02-17T03:31:25.293+0000) > > His quote means she's C. > > Her grandniece doesn't know what activities she gets up to. > > There is literally no other reason for him to bring up C to Camille. Camille could just be associated with C, in which case Swain would be saying "should I inform your grandniece that you're in business with C?"
: Need information on material usage in ZAUN for an unreal engine environment art piece i'm working on
Warwick's champion teaser should be a good reference. EDIT: Ekko's, too.
: > [{quoted}](name=HyperStanners,realm=EUW,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=EKmKWV6h,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-02-16T14:20:13.474+0000) > > Ooh, I like it. > > because it gives me an opportunity to advertise > > on a very related topic because both involve Fiddle reworks I did [this](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/cEjfhEKt-fiddlesticks-rework-concept-discussion) > > But seriously, I like this. What would Fiddle's true form be? Thanks! I view fiddlesticks as an entity possessing a scarecrow, so in his true form I was thinking some sort of terrifying nightmare/ghostlike form. I read your rework idea too. very interesting! It’s crazy how different they turned out.
> [{quoted}](name=BloodMatrix,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=EKmKWV6h,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-02-16T16:16:30.173+0000) > > Thanks! I view fiddlesticks as an entity possessing a scarecrow, so in his true form I was thinking some sort of terrifying nightmare/ghostlike form. I read your rework idea too. very interesting! It’s crazy how different they turned out. Yeah, I view Fiddle more as the hivemind for entities possessing crows (similar to how I view Shaco as the hivemind for entities possessing toys). Mine focused on giving Fiddle domination over the map, yours seems to focus on multiple target burst.
: Iirc Camille existence is only known by some higher ups at Ferros family and even they don't know what she does, only that she is the master of puppets and batman all in one.
> [{quoted}](name=Stars Shaper,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dlITXayT,comment-id=00090000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-16T15:31:25.557+0000) > > Iirc Camille existence is only known by some higher ups at Ferros family and even they don't know what she does, only that she is the master of puppets and batman all in one. I think you're right.
Sukishoo (NA)
: Im pretty sure it's {{champion:164}}
> [{quoted}](name=Sukishoo,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dlITXayT,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2019-02-16T15:21:05.139+0000) > > Im pretty sure it's {{champion:164}} Why?
: > [{quoted}](name=HyperStanners,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dlITXayT,comment-id=0008000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-16T12:41:54.557+0000) > > If Caitlyn is actually Camille's grandniece, then Caitlyn probably would. And Swain's interaction doesn't confirm much unless Cait is actually Camille's grandniece. As much as I would love that twist I think it's not happening. And Swain's interaction is there to hint toward Camille's and her grandniece's trust/relationship.
> [{quoted}](name=Camille Ferrøs,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dlITXayT,comment-id=00080000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-16T14:35:23.974+0000) > > As much as I would love that twist I think it's not happening. And Swain's interaction is there to hint toward Camille's and her grandniece's trust/relationship. So if you don't think Cait is Camille's grandniece, why is Camille's relationship with her grandniece important?
: Then I guess we can stay as this right now, Camille is both Cait grand-grandma and C. If you see, Camille character is built so she wouldn't bat an eye in going against her own family members if they do something that would hurt the family itself and Piltover.
> [{quoted}](name=Stars Shaper,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dlITXayT,comment-id=000900000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-16T14:19:11.547+0000) > > Then I guess we can stay as this right now, Camille is both Cait grand-grandma and C. If you see, Camille character is built so she wouldn't bat an eye in going against her own family members if they do something that would hurt the family itself and Piltover. Yup. She killed her brother. What's interesting is [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcbUT0XnYAo), which claims that Camille did it to increase Caitlyn's reputation because she deliberately allowed Caitlyn to save the day. I would say the main flaw with it, though, is that it assumes Caitlyn has no idea of Camille's existence (at least, no more than the average Piltie).
: Fiddlesticks should be scarier.
Ooh, I like it. because it gives me an opportunity to advertise on a very related topic because both involve Fiddle reworks I did [this](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/cEjfhEKt-fiddlesticks-rework-concept-discussion) But seriously, I like this. What would Fiddle's true form be?
EdgeLady (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=HyperStanners,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dlITXayT,comment-id=0003000000010000,timestamp=2019-02-16T08:29:13.614+0000) > > Do you think TF and Graves are associated with C, if C is Camille? Doubtful, although, as far as we know, they're the most successful criminals in Piltover, even more than Jinx. But, again, C isn't a card-leaving thief anymore. All of C's hidden behavior seems to point at Camille being C. Now, however, if the C affairs were to cross paths with Twisted Fate and Graves's affairs, or if they turn out to be a big threat, they might want to look into what it's all about (or at least, Twisted Fate might; I'm not sure if Malc would be as interested). Who knows what it could bring...{{sticker:sg-ahri-2}}
> [{quoted}](name=EdgeLady,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dlITXayT,comment-id=00030000000100000000,timestamp=2019-02-16T14:10:51.021+0000) > > Doubtful, although, as far as we know, they're the most successful criminals in Piltover, even more than Jinx. But, again, C isn't a card-leaving thief anymore. All of C's hidden behavior seems to point at Camille being C. > > Now, however, if the C affairs were to cross paths with Twisted Fate and Graves's affairs, or if they turn out to be a big threat, they might want to look into what it's all about (or at least, Twisted Fate might; I'm not sure if Malc would be as interested). Who knows what it could bring...{{sticker:sg-ahri-2}} League lore is static, so nobody knows. Probably Camille would either kill or evade them.
: I didn't follow Caitlyn lore, has it been confirmed that Cait isn't Camille grandniece?
> [{quoted}](name=Stars Shaper,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dlITXayT,comment-id=0009000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-16T13:12:01.308+0000) > > I didn't follow Caitlyn lore, has it been confirmed that Cait isn't Camille grandniece? No. The thing suggesting it is Swain's quote.
: Unless we get something solid that hints at Camille not being C we can't say that. It's still a possibility but it would be too far fecthed, why would Swain reap a secret that involves some1 that Camille knows instead of Camille herself? Swain quotes (as far as I know) directly involve the ppl he reaps shards from from.
> [{quoted}](name=Stars Shaper,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dlITXayT,comment-id=00090000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-16T13:01:11.599+0000) > > Unless we get something solid that hints at Camille not being C we can't say that. It's still a possibility but it would be too far fecthed, why would Swain reap a secret that involves some1 that Camille knows instead of Camille herself? Swain quotes (as far as I know) directly involve the ppl he reaps shards from from. Yeah, you're right. But I'm still not entirely convinced that Swain's quote directly confirms that Camille is C; if it's that reliable, why is C ignored by Riot nowadays? But assuming Camille is C and Swain knows, what does he mean by "your dear grandniece" if it's not Caitlyn?
: The high difference is that we have actual clues for Camille being C which are Swain interaction and the fact that her name **begins** with a C. Then we know that Camille acts in full secrecy. The only other theory I find worth following is the one linking C to the Zaun children gang because of their connection with roman numbers.
> [{quoted}](name=Stars Shaper,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dlITXayT,comment-id=000900000000,timestamp=2019-02-16T10:24:03.938+0000) > > The high difference is that we have actual clues for Camille being C which are Swain interaction and the fact that her name **begins** with a C. Then we know that Camille acts in full secrecy. > > The only other theory I find worth following is the one linking C to the Zaun children gang because of their connection with roman numbers. I just remembered that the thugs who attacked Caitlyn only acted by a **proxy** named C. Camille represents herself; she's the secret leader and the assassin of the Ferros clan. If Caitlyn isn't Camille's grandniece, it's actually pretty likely that Camille's grandniece is C. That's possibly what Swain means by his quote.
: > [{quoted}](name=HyperStanners,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dlITXayT,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2019-02-16T08:27:40.143+0000) > > On the other hand, why would someone as logical as Camille sign with her actual name? No one knows her name.
> [{quoted}](name=Camille Ferrøs,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dlITXayT,comment-id=000800000000,timestamp=2019-02-16T10:42:39.332+0000) > > No one knows her name. If Caitlyn is actually Camille's grandniece, then Caitlyn probably would. And Swain's interaction doesn't confirm much unless Cait is actually Camille's grandniece.
: C is Camille since everything we have right now points towards her. Unless we get new informations that point elsewhere there is no need to even ask. And honestly... the Jayce theory is really based on making up things. Jayce isn't obsessed with Hextech, he is just a standoffish Tony Stark who is battling against Viktor and his thugs. He doesn't want to have thugs and nothing pointed at him even hiring any1 to do the grocery. Also the fact that Jayce can hear the Brackern song from the Hextech crystal is most likely a sign of him being a sensible guy.
> [{quoted}](name=Stars Shaper,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dlITXayT,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-02-15T22:02:07.979+0000) > > C is Camille since everything we have right now points towards her. > Unless we get new informations that point elsewhere there is no need to even ask. > > And honestly... the Jayce theory is really based on making up things. Jayce isn't obsessed with Hextech, he is just a standoffish Tony Stark who is battling against Viktor and his thugs. He doesn't want to have thugs and nothing pointed at him even hiring any1 to do the grocery. Also the fact that Jayce can hear the Brackern song from the Hextech crystal is most likely a sign of him being a sensible guy. I wouldn't call Jayce sensible; he's selfish, reckless and brash. But yeah, he's not openly obsessed with Hextech. My theory on it being Jayce is definitely relying on making stuff up, but that's basically how all theories go. Even C being Camille.
EdgeLady (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=HyperStanners,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dlITXayT,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-02-15T18:55:41.259+0000) > > Yeah, okay. Why do you think it's not Jayce, Camille or Twisted Fate, and do you think it's the gang leader of Vi, Jinx and Ekko's former gang? To be fair, **old** C was almost definitely Twisted Fate. New C doesn't seem to be a thief or leave behind cards or be so sly and witty. All the behavior and hints we know of new C point to it being Camille, capturing Caitlyn's parents to learn their technological innovations "for the greater good of Piltover" or however she sees it. How*ever*...Twisted Fate (along with Graves) are in Piltover now. They'd be much more keen to get invested in the money circulation of Piltover and Zaun than care about the Bilgewater drama going down right now. Hopefully they can stay in Piltover and get involved in their stories instead, pretty please. It would be much more awesome and fitting to their thematic. {{sticker:sg-lux}} > [{quoted}](name=Spideraxe,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dlITXayT,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-02-15T19:25:53.350+0000) > > Twisted Fate for me seems like a person who would only fight as a last resort, so I don't think he'd be the one to instigate conflict, since he does get captured but always escapes with his magic. And I don't think he'd have much opportunity to interact with the more comfortable people of Piltover and would probably be found at like a dive bar in Zaun or something. Although he's a thief, Twisted Fate is actually very rich, and since Graves is back in with him it's likely that they're sharing their pool of money again. They might go to Zaun if need be, but they can easily have enough dough to hang out in more high-end Piltover places. Hell, Graves is in a Piltovan bar trying out their wine in his short story. So I wouldn't rule them out of getting involved in Piltover's affairs, although it doesn't seem that new post-retcon C is Twisted Fate anymore.
> [{quoted}](name=EdgeLady,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dlITXayT,comment-id=000300000001,timestamp=2019-02-15T22:03:59.896+0000) > > To be fair, **old** C was almost definitely Twisted Fate. New C doesn't seem to be a thief or leave behind cards or be so sly and witty. All the behavior and hints we know of new C point to it being Camille, capturing Caitlyn's parents to learn their technological innovations "for the greater good of Piltover" or however she sees it. > > How*ever*...Twisted Fate (along with Graves) are in Piltover now. They'd be much more keen to get invested in the money circulation of Piltover and Zaun than care about the Bilgewater drama going down right now. Hopefully they can stay in Piltover and get involved in their stories instead, pretty please. It would be much more awesome and fitting to their thematic. {{sticker:sg-lux}} > > Although he's a thief, Twisted Fate is actually very rich, and since Graves is back in with him it's likely that they're sharing their pool of money again. They might go to Zaun if need be, but they can easily have enough dough to hang out in more high-end Piltover places. Hell, Graves is in a Piltovan bar trying out their wine in his short story. So I wouldn't rule them out of getting involved in Piltover's affairs, although it doesn't seem that new post-retcon C is Twisted Fate anymore. Do you think TF and Graves are associated with C, if C is Camille?
: It's pretty clearly Camille imo. That said, I also think it's a very loose nickname that anyone can "claim" to have for the sake of reputation, title, etc. Especially because Camille does nothing. Take the name of a famous composure and he might track you down to see who is stealing his reputation. Every new "C" is just another barrier between the truth that is Camille and every fake C. I could easily see Camille not only approving of but goading on people to claim they're C for the sake of making her life easier.
> [{quoted}](name=CaptainMårvelous,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dlITXayT,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2019-02-16T01:35:41.387+0000) > > It's pretty clearly Camille imo. > > That said, I also think it's a very loose nickname that anyone can "claim" to have for the sake of reputation, title, etc. Especially because Camille does nothing. Take the name of a famous composure and he might track you down to see who is stealing his reputation. Every new "C" is just another barrier between the truth that is Camille and every fake C. > > I could easily see Camille not only approving of but goading on people to claim they're C for the sake of making her life easier. Good point; C could easily be multiple people.
: It's pretty straight forward that C stands for Camille.
> [{quoted}](name=Camille Ferrøs,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dlITXayT,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-02-15T21:38:35.725+0000) > > It's pretty straight forward that C stands for Camille. On the other hand, why would someone as logical as Camille sign with her actual name?
: Tbh I like the Jayce theory the most even tho the most probable one is Camille
> [{quoted}](name=RyzeTheSmurfMage,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dlITXayT,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-02-15T20:13:44.615+0000) > > Tbh I like the Jayce theory the most even tho the most probable one is Camille I agree completely. It's actually completely plausible except the timing clashes slightly, but there's just not much to support it. That's why it's so interesting.
: If it was the gang leader then I'd think they'd denounce Jinx, since she cares more about anarchy then bigger picture
> [{quoted}](name=Spideraxe,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dlITXayT,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-15T20:05:41.969+0000) > > If it was the gang leader then I'd think they'd denounce Jinx, since she cares more about anarchy then bigger picture Exactly. See, I think C might actually be directly trying to get rid of Jinx, or at least convince Jinx otherwise. Problem is, C can't be Caitlyn and almost certainly isn't Ekko or Vi, and I can't think of anyone else trying to stop Jinx. So maybe Vi and Jinx's rivalry is somehow caused by C?
: > Camille acts for the good of Piltover Not directly. Primarily she works to secure her clans position and power in Piltover. If that would require to kidnap influential people from one rivaling clan and blaming another rivaling clan for it, I think she'd be fully capable of doing that. But as you said, it's not 100% confirmed.
> [{quoted}](name=DerMangoJoghurt,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dlITXayT,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-02-15T19:42:12.860+0000) > > Not directly. Primarily she works to secure her clans position and power in Piltover. If that would require to kidnap influential people from one rivaling clan and blaming another rivaling clan for it, I think she'd be fully capable of doing that. > > But as you said, it's not 100% confirmed. I would say there's a high chance Camille is C, yeah, and good point about not acting for Piltover's good. But you're right, nothing's confirmed.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Shiwah,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dlITXayT,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2019-02-15T19:26:29.643+0000) > > Swain is referring to Camille's grandniece who was installed as a pupper leader of the Ferros clan, not to Caitlyn. Her niece is the pupper leader, from what we know. It's never mentioned that it's now the grandniece.
: Caitlyn just knows 'C' believes in her own justice. That in itself has to be Camille, with enough money to have an army of mercenaries in her disposal in the underbelly of Piltover. However, if we can find how the murderer's murdered murder selection was murdered; it should crack it right open.
> [{quoted}](name=Mega Audinoz,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dlITXayT,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-02-15T19:15:04.984+0000) > > Caitlyn just knows 'C' believes in her own justice. > That in itself has to be Camille, with enough money to have an army of mercenaries in her disposal in the underbelly of Piltover. > However, if we can find how the murderer's murdered murder selection was murdered; it should crack it right open. I don't think the updated C has killed anyone.
: Twisted Fate for me seems like a person who would only fight as a last resort, so I don't think he'd be the one to instigate conflict, since he does get captured but always escapes with his magic. And I don't think he'd have much opportunity to interact with the more comfortable people of Piltover and would probably be found at like a dive bar in Zaun or something. Jayce I don't think has any motives for messing with Caitlyn's family and was probably too busy studying and doing school stuff when Caitlyn's family was abducted. And I highly doubt that it was the same Progress Day, but lets just assume it was the same, Jayce was at a party with Viktor during one when Caitlyn's family was attacked so i think he has an alibi. Camille, i think is the most likely of the 3 being a shadowy figure of Piltover's aristocracy. But just from the the description of the scene of the crime from Caitlyn's bio, it seemed like a sloppy job which doesn't seem like Camille's calling card. Plus it was mentioned that the clan leaders were arrested, and I believe Camille's grand niece, the face of Clan Ferros, is still in power. So I'd rule her out maybe, tho it's possible since her family has had a very keen interest in Hextech. I think maybe its possible its the former gang leader, I'd like to see what the gang was up to since their childhood and see how the gang grew to make a better call on that.
> [{quoted}](name=Spideraxe,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dlITXayT,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-02-15T19:25:53.350+0000) > > Twisted Fate for me seems like a person who would only fight as a last resort, so I don't think he'd be the one to instigate conflict, since he does get captured but always escapes with his magic. And I don't think he'd have much opportunity to interact with the more comfortable people of Piltover and would probably be found at like a dive bar in Zaun or something. > > Jayce I don't think has any motives for messing with Caitlyn's family and was probably too busy studying and doing school stuff when Caitlyn's family was abducted. And I highly doubt that they it was the same Progress Day, but lets just assume it was the same, Jayce was at a party with Viktor during one when Caitlyn's family was attacked so i think he has an alibi. > > Camille, i think is the most likely of the 3 being a shadowy figure of Piltover's aristocracy. But just from the the description of the scene of the crime from Caitlyn's bio, it seemed like a sloppy job which doesn't seem like Camille's calling card. Plus it was mentioned that the clan leaders were arrested, and I believe Camille's grand niece, the face of Clan Ferros, is still in power. So I'd rule her out maybe, tho it's possible since her family has had a very keen interest in Hextech. > > I think maybe its possible its the former gang leader, I'd like to see what the gang was up to since their childhood and see how the gang grew to make a better call on that. Thanks for all this evidence and logic. So if you think it could be the former gang leader, what do you think of C's relation to Jinx, seeing as both antagonize Caitlyn?
: I think its a currently non existing champ, I hope one day actually tells their story or makes them into a champ rather leave this plot line in lore limbo
> [{quoted}](name=Spideraxe,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dlITXayT,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-02-15T18:03:01.614+0000) > > I think its a currently non existing champ, I hope one day actually tells their story or makes them into a champ rather leave this plot line in lore limbo Yeah, okay. Why do you think it's not Jayce, Camille or Twisted Fate, and do you think it's the gang leader of Vi, Jinx and Ekko's former gang?
Moody P (NA)
: It stands for CVolibear
> [{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dlITXayT,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-02-15T17:36:41.066+0000) > > It stands for CVolibear I thought it was Graves' **C**igar.
Veigâr (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=HyperStanners,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dlITXayT,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-02-15T17:29:54.776+0000) > > I know, that's where some of the evidence for Camille being C is from. It doesn't actually confirm Caitlyn is Camille's grand-niece, or that Camille is C. In fact, if Caitlyn is in the Ferros clan, that makes it much, much less likely that Camille is C. What's most interesting is how Swain knows all of this, which makes me consider the Black Rose. I don't think it's calling Caitlyn Camille's grandneice, but it does imply that Camille is also known as C. Swain knows it because he rips out souls, that's why he also knows about Kassadin knowing about Kai'Sa, and why he knows about champions' pasts.
> [{quoted}](name=pm me veigar r63,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dlITXayT,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-15T17:34:21.605+0000) > > I don't think it's calling Caitlyn Camille's grandneice, but it does imply that Camille is also known as C. Swain knows it because he rips out souls, that's why he also knows about Kassadin knowing about Kai'Sa, and why he knows about champions' pasts. Possibly the soul thing, but he does have spies everywhere and that creepy bird of his sees everything. It does confirm that Camille is aware of C and knows C's actions, but C actually being Camille is still not fully confirmed. I'd say she's the top candidate, though.
: Cassidin Calista Cai'Sa Cezreal Colibear
> [{quoted}](name=Placentas,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dlITXayT,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-02-15T17:36:08.437+0000) > > Cassidin > Calista > Cai'Sa > Cezreal > Colibear of course it's so obvious now
Veigâr (NA)
: Swain has a quote towards Camille: "My my, does your dear grandniece know what 'C' has been up to?" https://youtu.be/IaGaqTW6QPQ?t=63
> [{quoted}](name=pm me veigar r63,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=dlITXayT,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-15T17:25:49.291+0000) > > Swain has a quote towards Camille: > > "My my, does your dear grandniece know what 'C' has been up to?" > > https://youtu.be/IaGaqTW6QPQ?t=63 I know, that's where some of the evidence for Camille being C is from. It doesn't actually confirm Caitlyn is Camille's grand-niece, or that Camille is C. In fact, if Caitlyn is in the Ferros clan, that makes it much, much less likely that Camille is C. What's most interesting is how Swain knows all of this, which makes me consider the Black Rose.
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: Slightly different idea to add to my clone suggestion. .. If there are no scarecrows within XXX units of Fiddlesticks, a clone splits from Fiddlesticks and moves to the targeted location. If there is a scarecrow within this range, it will reanimate into a clone and move to the targeted location. Doing either of these should still have a long cooldown so that you aren't controlling clones like Shaco does, but it would give him the ability to be more deceptive. Imagine seeing a Fiddlesticks walk from one bush to another, attacking it a few times, it doesn't move so you assume it is a fake, ... then after a minute you see it walk back ... now is it the real Fiddlesticks, or did he just command his clone to move again? Either way, he is nearby, but not necessarily in that bush. This would also help to limit the number of scarecrows that he can place within a given space over time. A general assumption for the enemy would be, if you see two scarecrows in XXX units, .. one of them is the real Fiddlesticks.
> [{quoted}](name=Elite4Runner,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=cEjfhEKt,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-12-21T19:15:39.782+0000) > > Slightly different idea to add to my clone suggestion. .. If there are no scarecrows within XXX units of Fiddlesticks, a clone splits from Fiddlesticks and moves to the targeted location. If there is a scarecrow within this range, it will reanimate into a clone and move to the targeted location. Doing either of these should still have a long cooldown so that you aren't controlling clones like Shaco does, but it would give him the ability to be more deceptive. > > Imagine seeing a Fiddlesticks walk from one bush to another, attacking it a few times, it doesn't move so you assume it is a fake, ... then after a minute you see it walk back ... now is it the real Fiddlesticks, or did he just command his clone to move again? Either way, he is nearby, but not necessarily in that bush. > > This would also help to limit the number of scarecrows that he can place within a given space over time. A general assumption for the enemy would be, if you see two scarecrows in XXX units, .. one of them is the real Fiddlesticks. I just redid his E entirely with some of your suggestion, so now the way he can be attacked when it's cast is different and he can also use it to create new effigies.
: an idea to help with the global ranges in the kit is to just give the global abilities a very large range like Bard, Xerath, Sol, Tahm ect lov this by the way hope Riot does something similar
> [{quoted}](name=FlameHalbrdOkido,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=cEjfhEKt,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-12-30T05:08:37.021+0000) > > an idea to help with the global ranges in the kit is to just give the global abilities a very large range like Bard, Xerath, Sol, Tahm ect > > lov this by the way hope Riot does something similar Thank you! And yeah, that's basically what I meant by the global range. Guess I didn't express it clearly.
: Slightly different idea to add to my clone suggestion. .. If there are no scarecrows within XXX units of Fiddlesticks, a clone splits from Fiddlesticks and moves to the targeted location. If there is a scarecrow within this range, it will reanimate into a clone and move to the targeted location. Doing either of these should still have a long cooldown so that you aren't controlling clones like Shaco does, but it would give him the ability to be more deceptive. Imagine seeing a Fiddlesticks walk from one bush to another, attacking it a few times, it doesn't move so you assume it is a fake, ... then after a minute you see it walk back ... now is it the real Fiddlesticks, or did he just command his clone to move again? Either way, he is nearby, but not necessarily in that bush. This would also help to limit the number of scarecrows that he can place within a given space over time. A general assumption for the enemy would be, if you see two scarecrows in XXX units, .. one of them is the real Fiddlesticks.
> [{quoted}](name=Elite4Runner,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=cEjfhEKt,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-12-21T19:15:39.782+0000) > > Slightly different idea to add to my clone suggestion. .. If there are no scarecrows within XXX units of Fiddlesticks, a clone splits from Fiddlesticks and moves to the targeted location. If there is a scarecrow within this range, it will reanimate into a clone and move to the targeted location. Doing either of these should still have a long cooldown so that you aren't controlling clones like Shaco does, but it would give him the ability to be more deceptive. > > Imagine seeing a Fiddlesticks walk from one bush to another, attacking it a few times, it doesn't move so you assume it is a fake, ... then after a minute you see it walk back ... now is it the real Fiddlesticks, or did he just command his clone to move again? Either way, he is nearby, but not necessarily in that bush. > > This would also help to limit the number of scarecrows that he can place within a given space over time. A general assumption for the enemy would be, if you see two scarecrows in XXX units, .. one of them is the real Fiddlesticks. It's a good idea, but I feel like it would take away the crow stalker feel of his kit and give him more of a demonic scarecrow feel. Which is fine, it's just not what I'm going for.
: Drain in its current form is already an obnoxious ability, and your suggestion of making him untargetable for its duration takes away one of the two counterplay options from it. In current form, you can cc fiddle and ruin him, or you can run out of range. In your form, they're left ONLY with retreat. I don't think that's fun to play against.
> [{quoted}](name=ChaosReyn,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=cEjfhEKt,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-12-21T20:27:10.942+0000) > > Drain in its current form is already an obnoxious ability, and your suggestion of making him untargetable for its duration takes away one of the two counterplay options from it. In current form, you can cc fiddle and ruin him, or you can run out of range. In your form, they're left ONLY with retreat. I don't think that's fun to play against. Please reread it. Retreat isn't their only option, their basic attacks still work, and the cooldown is much longer.
: I was in the middle of adding the edit, so check it again.
> [{quoted}](name=Elite4Runner,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=cEjfhEKt,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-21T17:28:21.075+0000) > > I was in the middle of adding the edit, so check it again. Dang. Well, depends if the brush is a better idea than the clone...what do you think about the brush with a one-minute cooldown?
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