: Your thread was easy to read, but I don't agree. The difference between Mordekaiser and say Irelia, Akali, Zoe, or Sylas is that he is what he is at face value. He doesn't have the mobility that they have, their safety, their absurd outplay potential, or the ability to just one shot players. He has all these free stats because he's a juggernaut that's meant to overwhelm you. You're supposed to compare him to someone like Darius, who gets free AD, armor pen, dot dmg, and so on. Going by the fact that his banrate is low in comparison to Darius, I think he's fine.
> [{quoted}](name=R0ses R Red,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4lMtvWer,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-08-28T05:54:56.248+0000) > > Your thread was easy to read, but I don't agree. The difference between Mordekaiser and say Irelia, Akali, Zoe, or Sylas is that he is what he is at face value. He doesn't have the mobility that they have, their safety, their absurd outplay potential, or the ability to just one shot players. > He has all these free stats because he's a juggernaut that's meant to overwhelm you. You're supposed to compare him to someone like Darius, who gets free AD, armor pen, dot dmg, and so on. Going by the fact that his banrate is low in comparison to Darius, I think he's fine. Mordekaiser can turn a losing match into a winning one with his ult, so he's got a game changing ability that can shift the tide of a match if he just uses it on the carry, while the rest of your team can demolish them. But then again you're right about him being a juggernaut and if the only matchup that he loses is to Darius then that's not healthy for top lane.
: Mord's passive has always been manageable. The problem is his shield. The longer the fight goes on the better the chance Mord has at winning it (usually), but the shield is too reliable at making sure that the fight goes as long as he wants it to. Just pick Ren and Mord should shatter.
> [{quoted}](name=BlackKnightJack,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4lMtvWer,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-28T02:06:03.442+0000) > > Mord's passive has always been manageable. The problem is his shield. The longer the fight goes on the better the chance Mord has at winning it (usually), but the shield is too reliable at making sure that the fight goes as long as he wants it to. Just pick Ren and Mord should shatter. It's manageable but not really that manageable if you understand what i'm saying. His E makes sure that he closes the gap, and his passive makes sure that the gap stays closed.
: Mordekaiser has 0 mobility, and once you have a zhonyas or sash you make his ult near useless. Of course he should have good natural base stats across the board. Do you expect Illaoi to also have terrible base stats even though she has no mobility? They need something going for them. Champions like him get fed off of you making plays, they hardly have playmaking potential like other extremely mobile champions.
> [{quoted}](name=Slim Gragas,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4lMtvWer,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-28T02:02:48.295+0000) > > Mordekaiser has 0 mobility, and once you have a zhonyas or sash you make his ult near useless. Of course he should have good natural base stats across the board. Do you expect Illaoi to also have terrible base stats even though she has no mobility? They need something going for them. Champions like him get fed off of you making plays, they hardly have playmaking potential like other extremely mobile champions. That's the thing, they have their gapclosers, such as Mordekaiser's E, and his passive which grants him move speed, making it impossible for you to get away from him. As for Illaoi, she doesn't need her mobility as she has a slow from her, that also spawns her tentacles which deal damage, and also gives her another tentacle from her R. A lot of tentacles
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: Irelia nerfs were kinda warranted because of her pro dominance I guess, but it does feel like shit when you put in twice the work and get half the reward compared to a champ like {{champion:24}}. I'd rather play against Irelia than Riven any day, she's all skillshots and has to manage her passive, which gives you opportunities to go in. Riven is hard because it's hard to get her animation cancelling down, but that doesn't really provide inherent counterplay against her if they do know the combos.
> [{quoted}](name=5or6stores,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YasH9Z8x,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-27T22:31:23.455+0000) > > Irelia nerfs were kinda warranted because of her pro dominance I guess, but it does feel like shit when you put in twice the work and get half the reward compared to a champ like {{champion:24}}. I'd rather play against Irelia than Riven any day, she's all skillshots and has to manage her passive, which gives you opportunities to go in. Riven is hard because it's hard to get her animation cancelling down, but that doesn't really provide inherent counterplay against her if they do know the combos. Pro dominance shouldn't relate to solo queue performance. If anything Riot should compare the two and see where the fault is.
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: This would be incredible and I think most of your picks fit really well, good stuff. Also thinking: Gluttony(relates to overindulgence in general): {{champion:36}} and {{champion:6}} (Pain/experimentation) Sloth(One definition refers to a person that lacks feeling towards others): {{champion:202}} and {{champion:56}} (Completely apathetic as to whom they kill) Lust: {{champion:69}} (described as a manipulative temptress when she was human (could also easily be greed) Pride: {{champion:91}} and {{champion:55}} ("The three deadliest blade masters in all of Valoran are bound to the house of Du Couteau: myself, my father, and Talon. Challenge us if you dare." - Katarina Du Couteau) Wrath: Nobody is mentioning how hilarious/awesome {{champion:150}} would be? Greed: {{champion:238}} Killed his mentor/father figure, Kusho, and most of the Kinkou for the black box. Envy- Can't beat {{champion:101}} {{item:3802}} Wyrin Mythos {{item:3802}}
> [{quoted}](name=Wyrin,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=2VIcKIjz,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-04-08T17:48:14.812+0000) > > This would be incredible and I think most of your picks fit really well, good stuff. > > Also thinking: > > Gluttony(relates to overindulgence in general): {{champion:36}} and {{champion:6}} (Pain/experimentation) > > Sloth(One definition refers to a person that lacks feeling towards others): {{champion:202}} and {{champion:56}} (Completely apathetic as to whom they kill) > > Lust: {{champion:69}} (described as a manipulative temptress when she was human (could also easily be greed) > > Pride: {{champion:91}} and {{champion:55}} ("The three deadliest blade masters in all of Valoran are bound to the house of Du Couteau: myself, my father, and Talon. Challenge us if you dare." - Katarina Du Couteau) > > Wrath: Nobody is mentioning how hilarious/awesome {{champion:150}} would be? > > Greed: {{champion:238}} Killed his mentor/father figure, Kusho, and most of the Kinkou for the black box. > > Envy- Can't beat {{champion:101}} > > {{item:3802}} Wyrin Mythos {{item:3802}} really good picks but let's hope riot gives this concept a chance
: {{champion:223}} for Gluttony?
> [{quoted}](name=4 Step Cadence,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=2VIcKIjz,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-04-07T21:38:01.002+0000) > > {{champion:223}} for Gluttony? lol i forgot about tahm but yeah that's like the best choice for gluttony
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: I honestly think the Irelia nerfs are overdone, I didn't think she was that big of a problem after her damage reduction nerfs, she already had like a 47% WR in soloQ, too bad she got gutted like Galio because of competitive. She's easily bullied out of top lane, it's mid Irelia that's more of the problem.
Mid Irelia is more of a risky option, and perhaps they nerfed her because of mid Irelia's high-risk high-reward style, but honestly she has a below than 45% wr on both lanes and people still complain which is stupid because once you bring that up they start saying stats don't matter when they clearly do.
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