: > [{quoted}](name=IsaacgMfOrW,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=B3GxxmRL,comment-id=00000003,timestamp=2020-01-16T23:36:56.597+0000) > > Trundle was fine, scaled like a beast and dished out enough damage while having plenty defenses. He wasn't nearly the worst champ. Stop crying like he was. yet he has a 47% win rate in top lane, and a less then 1% pick rate and 0% ban rate
> [{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=B3GxxmRL,comment-id=000000030000,timestamp=2020-01-16T23:50:18.904+0000) > > yet he has a 47% win rate in top lane, and a less then 1% pick rate and 0% ban rate Akali has a 46% winrate so she must need buffs earlier than Trundle by your circle jerk. Yeah go figure.
: or maybe trundle has been one of the worst champs for a whole season and he needs some help to make him viable
> [{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=B3GxxmRL,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2020-01-16T16:44:38.236+0000) > > or maybe trundle has been one of the worst champs for a whole season and he needs some help to make him viable Trundle was fine, scaled like a beast and dished out enough damage while having plenty defenses. He wasn't nearly the worst champ. Stop crying like he was.
: Fixing the jungle seems to be something that is part of every post complaining about what's wrong with the game, but they'll probably just nerf ekko, olaf, lee sin soon. G fucking G
They need to be nerfed not gonna lie but in every game I have played so far the jungle and bot have been the weakest link. People who play LoL are fuckign stupid tho and it reflects in how the community handles things and doesn't ever accept the underlying flaws.
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rujitra (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=IsaacgMfOrW,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kWEMKJad,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2020-01-16T17:29:34.588+0000) > > Then why don't you provide your own? > > Perhaps we could be enlightened by your shitposting . There's nothing to provide. The person I responded to for one cannot read and understand basic English - and is manipulating words. They turned "the system attempts to match you with players of equal skill so that you have a 50%+/-1% chance of winning the game" into "Riot matches you with worse players to enforce a 50% winrate". No. Riot does not "enforce" jack shit. If there are not players in the queue they can make two even teams with a 50% each of winning, then the queue continues until there are. Period. That's the first of the misleading/manipulated statements, and all of the other ones follow from it. "Fruit of a rotten tree is rotten" - given that the premise is itself incorrect and deliberately so (it's not unclear - it's either a failure to understand basic English language or deliberate misinterpretation), everything that follows from that is also wrong.
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kWEMKJad,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2020-01-16T18:08:42.717+0000) > > There's nothing to provide. The person I responded to for one cannot read and understand basic English - and is manipulating words. > > They turned "the system attempts to match you with players of equal skill so that you have a 50%+/-1% chance of winning the game" into "Riot matches you with worse players to enforce a 50% winrate". No. Riot does not "enforce" jack shit. If there are not players in the queue they can make two even teams with a 50% each of winning, then the queue continues until there are. Period. > > That's the first of the misleading/manipulated statements, and all of the other ones follow from it. "Fruit of a rotten tree is rotten" - given that the premise is itself incorrect and deliberately so (it's not unclear - it's either a failure to understand basic English language or deliberate misinterpretation), everything that follows from that is also wrong. You're the personification of a garbage can.
rujitra (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=ElnyrJhodo,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kWEMKJad,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2020-01-16T09:17:14.825+0000) > > Riots matchmaking is insanely fucked. > > It attempted to give you a 50% win chance. So if you are a better player, you get worse teammates in order to enforce that win rate. > > This is why they say they have a 50% win chance per game, within 1%. Its forced. Its insanely fucking stupid, and completely inept. > > This in turn frustrates the entire player base and makes the game feel impossible to play, AND like an insane fucking grind. Which it is, because of the culmination of the above reasons. > > They will deny it, players will say its not true or they can climb easily. Sure ok, I'm sure some can. Especially when you are smurfing......................... > > Meanwhile I'm watching voyboy on his stream and he says, can I not get a game that does not feel 1v9. > > > You aren't a league boomer, there are just a lot of new players that suck and a system that does nothing healthy to actually create good games. In fact they tell us forced statistics and don't even realize there is actually something critically wrong. > > They've said in a dev video they are going to address the matchmaking issues, but not until next season. Fuck that. > > I don't think the playerbase can seriously take another dogshit season of this fucking shit. I've had enough, and I'm fucking narcissistic. > > > Right now, no new player will actually play this game seriously. You can't. If you are actually competitive and play to win- it'll just drive you nuts. Anyone that asks me if they should play league, I tell them fuck no. Run for the fucking hills. > > Great game, absolute shit matching and player management. > > They punish for fucking talk all the fucking day long while you have a mother fucking mute button. But the fucking @)#*$@#, pieces of shit don't do shit about players actually fucking the game over with play. They all think they are smart but have no brains. Obviously. > > Yes, I'm fucking bitter. I love this game, they love my asshole. Feels bad. At least buy me dinner fuckers. > > They aren't getting a dime from me until they fix their fucking garbage. There’s so much wrong here that I’m just going to LOL. Not only is your **starting** information incorrect, your logical analysis is so horribly flawed and illogical.
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kWEMKJad,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2020-01-16T15:22:33.891+0000) > > There’s so much wrong here that I’m just going to LOL. > > Not only is your **starting** information incorrect, your logical analysis is so horribly flawed and illogical. Then why don't you provide your own? Perhaps we could be enlightened by your shitposting .
: Why you asking for reports though?
: Let's talk about that ashe with smite tho lol
She wasn't intentionally feeding and every single person on the opponent team was trying to win. Let's not leave that out.
Kai Guy (NA)
: Yes. All the stats get compressed into highly accurate precesion data for predictive match deciding. That's how it anticipated the OP going off onKat despite it being months of them not playing it in ranked? Or the Kah jungle with all of 0 ranked games. Or that 1 data point in normal must been the give away? The nasus pick being 1 prior game in normal and 1 in 12 of the top lane chapions is clearly predictable via stats. 0 Ranked games on it but who did not see this pick comeing right? Stats know all. No reply hazy here try again. Jinx could be anticipated right? Like 2 ranked games as jinx. Easy to predict shes gonna play jinx and not one of their mains {{champion:21}} {{champion:145}} Only the {{champion:111}} is fairly predictable in their picks. Yes... No doubt this is clear evidence that these accounts had a massive amount of data available for future predictive stat magic. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
I've played tons of games on this account What's your current complain again? The fact that I haven't played in a month? Well I still have tons of matches from prior to that and MMR doesn't decay until you've above diamond or so.
Kai Guy (NA)
: And you have Iron players who can just buy Diamond accounts. They get demolished when they play solo. If you lack the skill to back it up your Rank is irrelevant. Boosted/bought accounts are like getting Trophies from goodwill. At best you can lie to claim others accomplishments as your own. At worst your gonna be found out to be full of shit, like some one might peace together that your name is not Gregory and you never won a bowling tournament in 77 given that you had been born in the 90s.
If they do get carried in those diamond games their MMR will rise after said match. This isn't rocket science. It shouldn't be difficult to understand.
: > [{quoted}](name=IsaacgMfOrW,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FO5aAfP9,comment-id=00030002,timestamp=2020-01-10T19:24:34.202+0000) > > By looking at the statistics which you idiots don't seem to understand. You are literally skimping over the fact that Riot has the past match histories of every single player at their disposal along with their statistics and past rank. > > Don't bother asking such questions. It isn't a difficult one to figure out and yet I see people come to the boards to ask how anybody could possible re-invent the wheel. > [{quoted}](name=Nea104,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FO5aAfP9,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2020-01-10T19:16:29.332+0000) > > Like, collecting and re-elaborating data as any other automated system does in 2020? > > Or are we pretending that those 10 players were all brand new accounts? :'D Looking at an aggregate of stats will give an average performance for various skill levels of matches, which is what the system does. That is not helpful when it comes to determining how a player will perform in a given game; it can know only how a player will do across a set of games.
Except it doesn't. The system gives you MMR if you win, and costs you if you lose. You can feed your arse off and get carried and your MMR will rise. You can do incredibly well and lose and your MMR dips. That's how this system works. There's no mumbo jumbo aggregate which the system uses to try and understand your score. Stop making things up.
: You still have 9 games to go. And you shouldn't be placed Gold if you were silver last season.
I should be placed in bronze at the very least. Iron is unacceptable.
Kai Guy (NA)
: The placement is grossly lower then needed to compensate for demotion protection being massively higher then needed. Your going to need to lose 9 more games to keep that iron rank and even then its unlikely your even gonna have iron MMR.
Even if I win the next 9 games it isn't going to place me in gold or higher through placements alone. Iron is unacceptable.
: How is the matchmaking system supposed to know how people are going to perform in a given game?
By looking at the statistics which you idiots don't seem to understand. You are literally skimping over the fact that Riot has the past match histories of every single player at their disposal along with their statistics and past rank. Don't bother asking such questions. It isn't a difficult one to figure out and yet I see people come to the boards to ask how anybody could possible re-invent the wheel.
: You think if you had won 1 game it would have put you in high bronze, but because you lost . you were placed in Iron 2? Oh sweet summer child
There's no reason for it to place me in Iron when I was silver last season. Are you sure you understand how ranked works?
IVSakenz (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=IsaacgMfOrW,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FO5aAfP9,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2020-01-10T18:21:00.722+0000) > > The game matters more than your opinion because my account has now been placed in Iron while I was silver last season. > > If you've got nothing to add to the conversation then get out. > > The automatic placement for one match where I tried my hardest, did better than anyone else on the rift, and still got placed in Iron II due to my teammates is devastating and I don't deserve this. its only game 1 of 10...the iron 2 thing is a placeholder until all 10 of your promo games are played.
10 matches in Iron II and let's say you win the next 9 matches you're still going to be in silver. Winning a match automatically places you in high bronze and allows you to hit gold through placements alone should you do well. I am disadvantaged by a division and a half here despite having tried my 100% to carry the game. I didn't afk, and I played it till the very end. Two of my teammates didn't want to win and we couldn't carry the game. The result of it being I now need to fight my way out of Iron II and blow my placements in what could have landed my in at least the same rank as last season's. Do you understand now why I think matchmaking is a real issue? People who don't play at my level are playing with me and regardless of into being a toxic fuck who afks at the first sign of a loss it doesn't make a difference and instead I am being punished for trying to win the game. Season 9 was the last season for me but I am still dismayed at how this game decided to fuck me over despite it not being my fault.
: I no longer hate afkers.
Literally played my first match of season 10 and did amazing. Probably the best on the team (go look at my last match). Had a top and jungler who were absolutely useless and fed their arses off. I still lost the game coz they wouldn't participate in the match. I didn't go afk, I tried hard to carry but the result of that? We still fucking lost the match and got placed in Iron II for absolutely no reason. I should have gone afk and saved myself the headache because nothing but luck matters in this game.
: "I lost one game where I wasn't the reason we lost - this is not a rant I swear"
The game matters more than your opinion because my account has now been placed in Iron while I was silver last season. If you've got nothing to add to the conversation then get out. The automatic placement for one match where I tried my hardest, did better than anyone else on the rift, and still got placed in Iron II due to my teammates is devastating and I don't deserve this.
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