Kamille W (EUW)
: 4 premade, 1 support
i don't see how you being the support matters here.
: The void suit isn't black magic, it's biological evolution. So unless Vayne is an antivaxxer, she'd just ignore Kai'Sa since the void is just trying to survive
> [{quoted}](name=AngusBoomPants,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Bt3YIa4q,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-03-17T02:13:18.199+0000) > > The void suit isn't black magic, it's biological evolution. > > So unless Vayne is an antivaxxer, she'd just ignore Kai'Sa since the void is just trying to survive by that logic the monsters she hunts are just animals trying to survive. I think we need some definition of monsters, magic and the (maybe) the void before we can decide what is and isn't magic. aside from the obvious stuff like twitch's cbow ain't magic.
CLG ear (NA)
: So, say Vayne instantly tries to attack Kai'sa when she walks into the tavern, but Kai'sa and the tavern owner and his workers are able to subdue Vayne without killing her. She would have to listen to Kai'sa's story, then. Do you think Vayne would still hate her and want her dead?
> [{quoted}](name=CLG ear,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=Bt3YIa4q,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2019-03-17T04:49:17.670+0000) > > So, say Vayne instantly tries to attack Kai'sa when she walks into the tavern, but Kai'sa and the tavern owner and his workers are able to subdue Vayne without killing her. She would have to listen to Kai'sa's story, then. Do you think Vayne would still hate her and want her dead? she knew her "mother"'s story, didn't stop her. vayne's a bitch tbh.
: Post ITT and I'll tell you one thing I like and dislike about you.
Atleast try to think of something other then "idk who you are lol". Getting kinda stale.
: Question, does that dude have a chin? Also I think laughing fish is too big for a rod like that.
> [{quoted}](name=Fadkiller,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=JEnXhGqW,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-15T15:26:57.744+0000) > > Question, does that dude have a chin? Also I think laughing fish is too big for a rod like that. I can guarantee you nothing's too big for that rod.
Jamaree (NA)
: LOL, Rammus down there.
> [{quoted}](name=Jamaree,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=t9Pagd0g,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-03-14T06:41:22.516+0000) > > LOL, Rammus down there. a real man of culture
: Oof, you can't just go around throwing up Log Horizon gifs like that, it is bringing my longing for a season 3 back in full force.
> [{quoted}](name=Fondling Gems,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=hr8w5t7y,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-03-15T06:43:07.944+0000) > > Oof, you can't just go around throwing up Log Horizon gifs like that, it is bringing my longing for a season 3 back in full force. is there even any info around the future existance of a thrid season?
: Shen mains REJOICE!
.... this ain't a revert.
: "The Dragon Prince" nailed several of Vladimir's key tropes
I wanna start of by saying i absolutely despise vlad (gameplay) and have not seen this show and thus might have a warped view on this. I think the character is just in a much better position to be explored. If i understand this correctly he seems to be the main villain and thus the strongest foe the heroes will have to face. A person with a certain goal that i assume affects the whole world or atleast the country our heroes hail from. (as it's most often the case in fantasy) Vlad just doesn't seem to be in that position. Riot has been painting the void as the ultimate evil to runeterra, alongside the shadow isles (and veigar). Vlad surely seems to do certain questionable things, seems to have plenty of poltical influence and most likely isn't immortal by any "good" means. BUT he isn't a threat to a community/society. honestly i see vlad as a less rogueish Reaver from the fable series. With the whole selfportrets and eternal youth thing. But when vlad is at best going to get a short story while also having to be written outside of a main character position (as a main antagonist) the writers just aren't gonna have as much to work with as those on the show.
: Ofc is funny, jokes are always funny when they are at someone else's expense.
> [{quoted}](name=Serika Zero,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HATeiXEi,comment-id=000200020000,timestamp=2019-03-14T12:43:17.150+0000) > > Ofc is funny, jokes are always funny when they are at someone else's expense. yeah, that's kinda how they work. Sometimes you've got to be the punch line Sometimes you get to tell the joke
Lilithh (NA)
: I really wish adcs didnt make or break games
: LITERALLY inting on stream AND made a video about it. i reported him 4 times and still, no ban
ngl if it would make ap shaco top a thing again, revert shacman. as for shaclone, y'all care too much about a player most of you prolly never had in your game before. The people that get matched will report him and he'll get banned in time, then he'll make a new account and the cycle goes on. "but ID ban" cuz that stopped tyler right?
: Okay I'll be clear to the Udyr community...
okay I'll be clear to you... stop telling people how to play the game.
: Hey riot you should just leave this on the front page of the league client at all times.
Zapzya (OCE)
: The Shadow Isles are great
{{champion:30}} ain't evil tho.
: Can we have a blatantly "ugly" male/female in the game?
I genuinly don't get this obsession with ugly characters. Even if you want a somewhat monstrous character they don't have to be ugly, look at urgot who's a complete beast. There's no ugly champs in this game, they al look good. Most ugly champs back in the day were ugly because the art department was garbage compared to now. not to mention league is heavily stylized and you'd just end up with another goofy fuck like mundo. and your example is rek sai, who is ugly? except she isn't, she's just an animal/a monster. If rek sai is ugly then so are cho, koggers and kha. But they aren't. Rule 34 is just porn not wether some shit looks pretty enough for it. Turns out people would rather smash a human than a sandshark. i'm pretty sure the same thing applies to anivia even tho barely anyone considers her ugly. the only exception in this game is pug maw. that thing is genuinly hideous.
Jolt3d (NA)
: Riot is Holding You Back From the Rank You Deserve (UNDENIABLE PROOF)
: > [{quoted}](name=Jerry SeinfeId,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=h518j6KX,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2019-03-10T11:46:46.172+0000) > > Even on ezreal. I never liked tear. But double tear made it a little more meme and thus I started actually building it on ezreal. it was actually I and potatomine who made the double tear ezreal build. it didnt become popular untill the runes reforged and klepo. mainly due to it over cdr capping and the transcendence became a thing. after these things it got abused in korea, but it has been a thing forever amung lower ranking/ezreal one tricks like myself. but honestly, idc about tear build im just rush revolver and max W and land W and E in ignite AA proc electrocute and 1 shot my laner anytime they return to lane.
> [{quoted}](name=Its All Skillzz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=h518j6KX,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-10T20:40:32.278+0000) > > it was actually I and potatomine who made the double tear ezreal build. it didnt become popular untill the runes reforged and klepo. mainly due to it over cdr capping and the transcendence became a thing. after these things it got abused in korea, but it has been a thing forever amung lower ranking/ezreal one tricks like myself. but honestly, idc about tear build im just rush revolver and max W and land W and E in ignite AA proc electrocute and 1 shot my laner anytime they return to lane. i didn't even run klepto. I ran dark harvest lol. It got me off of my god awful (but fun) qzreal build where i'd pick pretty much every item that procs off his Q. I just don't like tear, it's just mana while my oponent got damage. but because it was kind of a silly build it appealed to me.
: When You're Up Against A Pro Sion
So just slowly walk away from him?
SatomiKun (EUW)
: She doesn't have to be ugly, but I think it wouldn't hurt to get an ugly female champion. Also, Baron Lenare you mention here is technically not the only named female Baron. In Urgots background story, we get the name of another, Baron Voss. There are probably even more female chembarons in Zaun and not every single one of them has to have a thing for classy beauty. There can easily be some which prefer to look cruel and scary. Or some which value efficiency for their chemtech augmentations over appearance. About upperclass Zaunites: A chembaroness can be an upperclass Zaunite, but that doesn't mean they have to be beautiful. Being rich and influencial helps here.
> [{quoted}](name=SatomiKun,realm=EUW,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=poZGdWGt,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2019-03-10T16:10:04.991+0000) > > She doesn't have to be ugly, but I think it wouldn't hurt to get an ugly female champion. > > Also, Baron Lenare you mention here is technically not the only named female Baron. > In Urgots background story, we get the name of another, Baron Voss. > > There are probably even more female chembarons in Zaun and not every single one of them has to have a thing for classy beauty. There can easily be some which prefer to look cruel and scary. Or some which value efficiency for their chemtech augmentations over appearance. > > About upperclass Zaunites: A chembaroness can be an upperclass Zaunite, but that doesn't mean they have to be beautiful. Being rich and influencial helps here. I really don't get the obsession with ugly champions. I genuinely can't think of a champ who is really ugly atm. Even trundle looks good. League's stylized nature doesn't quite allow for it without becoming goofy like Mundo. Moving away from classic beauty standards doesn't make something ugly. The main reason I brought her up is because if it were up to me we wouldn't be adding many more barons if any at all and she's by far my favourite Baron design. If there's 50 barons running around they lose their special status. The one you mentioned left and is replaced by urgot if I'm not mistaken.(correct me if I am he's one of the few zaunite champs I don't care much for. Don't really consider him as a zaunite champ). Her design is never shown either. I also never said beauty and wealth had to be related, just that we have no upperclass zaunite in the game rn. Which is why I'd rather see a classy lady Baron than female urgot. As barons should be "the 1%" of zaun. I just don't see why people seem to relate zaun and ugly so much. With all the body modification in zaun I think there's plenty to do. Singed has shown how much can be changed to your body in zaun. Surely someone would use these things to start a clinic in body modification that's not related to chemtech. And **then** wealth comes into play.
: An opinion of why targeted abilities can be healthy
Everyone knows this but then they'd have nothing to unconditionally bitch about marksmen.
SatomiKun (EUW)
: Hope the next released assassin is a chembaroness
While i'd love chembarons explored more I'd hate to see it be an assassin. Seems like it wouldn't fit. A shimmerdealer would befit an assassin better I think. As for ugly, idk why she has to be ugly. Zaun isn't about being ugly. https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/d/d4/Zaun_Baron_Velveteen_Lenare.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180904140333 The only female Baron named rn(and possibly at all as there's not supposed to be many of them) clearly has a preference for classy beauty. Which fits a lady in her position perfectly imo. It's also something we need. So far all zaunite champs have been either scientists or people from it's slums. We have no upperclass zaunite. Also vi is a zaunite and female. No matter where she lives and works. She's still a zaunite.
GreyfellD (EUW)
: Stop shipping for Riot please
> [{quoted}](name=GreyfellD,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qNyXy2qj,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-03-10T13:37:08.648+0000) > > Stop shipping for Riot please Or maybe you could actually look into the things you're complaining about? or post these in the appropriate boards: rant.
GreyfellD (EUW)
: The Introduction of the "Rant" board showcases Riot's arrogance in dealing with customer feedback.
Lad, we asked for these boards ourselves. The mods made those, not riot.
: It is on melee's. I have often considered going double tear on ad champions just to have {{item:3040}} mana buff up the damage for {{item:3042}} while getting a disgusting shield on {{item:3040}} and Cooldown to help get ad out of Transcendence
> [{quoted}](name=LordGeovanni,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=h518j6KX,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-03-10T07:36:11.183+0000) > > It is on melee's. I have often considered going double tear on ad champions just to have {{item:3040}} mana buff up the damage for {{item:3042}} while getting a disgusting shield on {{item:3040}} and Cooldown to help get ad out of Transcendence Even on ezreal. I never liked tear. But double tear made it a little more meme and thus I started actually building it on ezreal.
: It's not kled with actual gamebreaking bugs that cost you kills every game atleast once so i guess it will be fixed.
> [{quoted}](name=SuperTopLFBottom,realm=EUW,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=lEbpAEax,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-03-09T16:17:15.637+0000) > > It's not kled with actual gamebreaking bugs that cost you kills every game atleast once so i guess it will be fixed. any bug related to twitch's voice over is more gamebreaking than the game actually crashing every 2 minutes.
: Why is "Int Sion" a thing now?
Int Sion isn't new at all. Jg garen isn't new at all. adc ahri isn't new at all. JG leo isn't new at all. Tank Teemo isn't new at all. This post is useless, just cuz it's not the norm don't mean it's just for the meme. Tank teemo at one point was the best teemo build even. I play off meta plenty and have never been punished for it.
: So who is going to be your new Pokemon starter?
the bunny or the monkey. Honestly whichever one doesn't turn into a cereal mascot at final evo.
: Hardest Decision for Supports
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-W9WGLpXALOQ/VP79OjeAyqI/AAAAAAAAAH8/aST_7zPhdjo/s1600/tumblr_mjkoafjhL11s2ygxqo1_500.gif
: Don't gut AP ez just remove double tear
Building tear without building double tear is lame as hell tho.
Aamano (NA)
: Why does a Twitch Prime sub not give you a literal Twitch Prime skin
for the same reason league's icon on twitch still isn't twitch. ######it REALLY bothers me
: Neeko adc is literally more popular than AP
i didn't think much of it but then i had a botlane that fed a neeko morg duo and i was rooted for 6 years.
King Zeus (EUNE)
: Blood Moon Karthus
nevermind possible issues in china the skull just doesn't fit the bloodmoon line. It would and should most likely be replaced with an oni mask like most bloodmoon champs use. In fact idk why the artist went with the horns but then the regular skull. other than that it's dope.
SEKAI (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Jerry SeinfeId,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Vh7kQK0F,comment-id=00010000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-03-08T11:59:07.823+0000) > > i hate yasuo as much as the next guy, but 26 seconds is pretty long, longer than some ults. That is such a silly reasoning. Ultis with less than 26 second CD without even CDR simply shouldn't exist, ever (in fact, if there's an ulti that's able to reach less than 26 second CD at max level and CDR, it would already be something worth looking at); let alone being used as an argument to try and claim that 26 second CD on a powerful and literally game-changing ability is apparently too long.
> [{quoted}](name=SEKAI,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Vh7kQK0F,comment-id=000100000000000000000001000000000001,timestamp=2019-03-08T18:38:52.544+0000) > > That is such a silly reasoning. Ultis with less than 26 second CD without even CDR simply shouldn't exist, ever (in fact, if there's an ulti that's able to reach less than 26 second CD at max level and CDR, it would already be something worth looking at); let alone being used as an argument to try and claim that 26 second CD on a powerful and literally game-changing ability is apparently too long. "reasoning" all i did was say it's pretty long. saying it's longer than some ults just shows that it is actually quite long. Plenty of ults have 30-40 second CD too, if 26 ain't long then neither are those. or what do you expect? for them to turn windwall into a 40 second ability? that's not just silly, that's just dumb. I'd rather see changes to it's mechanics themselves. there's problems with yasuo, his wall CD ain't one of em.
: > [{quoted}](name=Jerry SeinfeId,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Vh7kQK0F,comment-id=00010000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-03-08T11:59:07.823+0000) > > i hate yasuo as much as the next guy, but 26 seconds is pretty long, longer than some ults. Doesn't it scale down to like 6s? Could be wrong don't play that crap lol I mean tbf I complain about tahm w being on a 28 second CD all the time but I recognize that eventually it's not that bad.... kinda
> [{quoted}](name=Minimac2000,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Vh7kQK0F,comment-id=000100000000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-08T18:32:41.437+0000) > > Doesn't it scale down to like 6s? Could be wrong don't play that crap lol > I mean tbf I complain about tahm w being on a 28 second CD all the time but I recognize that eventually it's not that bad.... kinda it's scaling brings it down to 18 so that's around 9-10 with max cdr. I have more problems with that shit starting inside of him so he doesn't have to time it than the cd itself.
: Am I the only one who doesn't mind positional ranking?
I didn't mind the idea behind it as someone who doesn't main a specific role. Seemed neat to see how far I'd get in each. But I didn't have it so the implementation might've been bad. Not really my problem tho, normal draft is much more enjoyable either way.
: When you defeat an enemy who was BMing all game
You foolishly believe that will stop my bm? {{champion:27}}
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Jennifer420,realm=EUW,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=la6XYEGE,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-03-08T00:19:22.057+0000) > > can be said about trumps entire mindset. No politics on boards! Mods, get em outta here.
: Gnar is a special case by having bullshit as fuck design. No champion should have that much durability, mobility, CC, and damage in one kit. Also, "Too bad"? Don't you mean "Thank fucking god he sucks right now"? Gnar is the Heimer of toplane.
> [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nfy4XR9d,comment-id=0005000100000000000000020000,timestamp=2019-03-08T12:26:56.962+0000) > > Gnar is a special case by having bullshit as fuck design. No champion should have that much durability, mobility, CC, and damage in one kit. > > Also, "Too bad"? Don't you mean "Thank fucking god he sucks right now"? Gnar is the Heimer of toplane. Heimer is the heimer of toplane. And nah. Too bad he's awful due to pro play. Him having to rely on his team not being braindead and being gutted makes it worthless to pick him.
: Old league lore was bad, like really bad.
atleast bandle city wasn't pretty much smurf town.
: I dont think anyone hates old lore as us MF mains (Sona tho) Every single game in which I dont use GGMF: >SuRe YoU cAn HaNdlE mE, sUmMoNeR ?
> [{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=9chvtwMp,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-03-07T22:20:47.080+0000) > > I dont think anyone hates old lore as us MF mains (Sona tho) > > Every single game in which I dont use GGMF: SuRe YoU cAn HaNdlE mE, sUmMoNeR ? well? can you?
Moody P (NA)
: Garen is an icon of LOL but a person who only spectates pros would never know he exists
> Why are we okay with this? cuz idc bout pro play? why would anyone watch pro play but not play the game? the fuck kinda degeneracy is that?
: Moody P, here are the statistic of Top lane Bruiser AKA supposed to be suffering against ranged...
> Well Malphite can only go top that's just plain ignorance or you're lying. aside from that, If afaik these (op.gg) statistics are korea only. Thus they are based on korea's version of the current meta. While his position barely changes on the toplane tierlist (19&18) teemo does go up in winrate by 2% globally in plat+ dropping to the winrate you provide in masters+.
: Not sure why you were downvoted. Zhonya’s is a self applied stasis that has a TWO MINUTES cooldown. Windwall is just some AoE basic ability with an ultimate’s power that barely has a cooldown considering how impactful it is.
> barely has a cooldown i hate yasuo as much as the next guy, but 26 seconds is pretty long, longer than some ults.
: > [{quoted}](name=Jerry SeinfeId,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=B1wEWzjY,comment-id=000a00000000000000010001000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-07T16:43:09.190+0000) > > No mistake in moving a champ towards what she should be. She was played as a bruiser or assassin pre rework and her kit is still largely the same. Yeah, and her old playstyle was considered absolutely toxic, which is why the core part of her kit that made her a “bruiser”/assassin was tossed in the dumpster. > You see disengage, i see engage. You don't have to use her ult to peel, you don't have to use her Dash as peel. You can perfectly use those as engage and lockdown which isn't strange for bruisers. She also has sticking power in her Q. > On top of that she has crazy Ad Scaling akin to someone like gnar who also mixes offensive with defensive items. I see CC. It’s main purpose is utility. Her ult is usually best used as peel, sending 1 or more targets asay to their base. Only the snapcast is used otherwise. But it’s purpose was peel. Her dash can be used as engage, yes. Never said it couldn’t. But it’s better when you can hit near walls. It also moves the target away from the team, which is why I put it more under peel than straight engage. Compared to Ornn’s E CC, which knocks the enemy up where they’re at if he hits terrain. She gets 90% bonus AD on Q and initial ult hit, 50% bonus on E. Nautilus and Maplphite have similar ratios but AP, does that make them mages or AP “bruisers”? > I could argue Ekko was designed to be a tank because his original best build was tank. And Riot corrected that. Riot never said he was a tank, they said he was an assassin. Poppy was stated to be a tank. > all of which are discribed as vanguards, champions who lead the charge and when looking at the whole bunch include the likes of Gnar and graggy who are by no means full tanks as they both mix tanky stuff with offensive stuff. Graggy is one of the few ap bruisers in this game even. > But then look at Nautilus, he's a real tank. He ain't build to do damage, poppy is. Things do change over time. If Poppy is to be a fighter, they need to announce that. Gragas they moved into an AP build because he was doing too much with both AP and durability. Gnar is in a weird spot because he also has to manage his non-tank form. Poppy is no more built to do damage than Nautilus. Nautilus can do damage if he builds the AP, same story with Poppy. Doesn’t change the core of their kits. > Maybe the one that corresponds with her original playstyle? afaik you had Bruiser and AP and full AD prerework (only played bruiser). Again, the original playstyle that was considered toxic and scrapped? No, the main reason higher damage builds worked with old Poppy was her insane Diplomatic Immunity, where she could build almost pure damage and take no damage back by ulting the weakest target. > And that's all you really need to be the most barebones def of a bruiser. > Which is why you can refer to beefy/heavy bruisers which include the likes of garen/darius/poppy/old shen. > Just your average bruiser like vi or xin who balances their mix quite evenly. > Light bruisers who favour Full damage but imo should still have 1-2 defensive options. And this is where the issue comes in. Because it’s such a broad and vague term, you can never really claim something for “bruisers”, because there are so many different types of champs that fit. If you say bruisers need buffs, well, who do you mean? Champs like Xin? Darius? Jax? Trundle? It’s too vague. > not always true, JAx functions just fine on a mix of triforce, titanic and tank gear too. Was even his best build for a while. > Even Yi can use SV or Deadmansplate. > Riot has just added a bunch of crap that makes em go glasscanon. > however I'm pretty sure there were times when xin prefered full damage builds too. You’re right, they do, or at least can, go mix, my bad. I was mainly thinking of all the Yi’s and Jax’s and them that I’ve seen run pure/mostly damage at least by the time the game ends, like Trinity, Shojin, Sterak’s, GA Jax.
> You’re right, they do, or at least can, go mix, my bad. I was mainly thinking of all the Yi’s and Jax’s and them that I’ve seen run pure/mostly damage at least by the time the game ends, like Trinity, Shojin, Sterak’s, GA Jax. this is why i personally don't like the direction they're taking bruiser items. to me a bruiser should mix items or pay for it. I believe this is because of how the current class system either makes you a bruiser or a tank and things that are supposed to be inbetween (like poppy or shen) end up being put in the tank side while they imo should be a mix of bruiser and tank. when i started yi i build statik into ie into Deadmans and SV, jax i played steraks trinity into mixed based on what i need. But the new items make those bad builds. idk how to solve that tho, maybe add a jugg equivalent to tanks. I'm gonna leave poppy for what it is. I feel like this is mainly just a difference of opinions. I just think bruiser poppy should be preserved as that's the main complaint about her rework i've seen.
: > [{quoted}](name=Jerry SeinfeId,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=B1wEWzjY,comment-id=000a000000000000000100010000,timestamp=2019-03-07T15:50:40.230+0000) > > And yet riot tried to push her back to more offensive builds by changing her stats. A mistake. You don’t give a champ a kit like she has and then put power into her offense damage. That’s what happened to Ornn. Seems Riot doesn’t know what they want. Then again, they’ve had a recent trend of buffing tanks damage and decreasing defensive and CC power. Trinity is one of few offensive items lolalytics shows for her with a decent enough pickup and winrate, but her full tank builds are still more consistent. Plus..her kit is still a tank’s kit. > I've heard people refer to garen and singed as tanks, neither of em are. and i'm pretty sure they were also labeled as tanks before the current class system was in place. > Tank is just as vague as bruiser then. If you ain't full tank you ain't just a tank, imo. I’ve heard Singed referred to as one, it’s considered his main class, but his playstyle just doesn’t fit it. Garen has almost always been a durable fighter since I’ve been around, which was season 5 before subclasses started. I believe old system he was fighter/tank. The difference is you can judge a tank by their kit and item focus. Poppy has a lot of utility and CC, focused on peel and disengage, like a Warden. Her most consistent success is in tank builds. Her kit is in the same vein as Ornn, Maokai, Nautilus. And again, Riot gave two differing views on her rerelease: “one offensive item” and “teamfighting tank” were both used to describe her. So which was she actually intended to be? Meanwhile, you look at the term “bruisers.” People use it to describe from Jax to Camille to Xin Zhao to Garen to Darius. So, what defines a bruiser? Melee damage dealer...that’s all that those champs share. Is a bruiser mobile? Can’t include Darius and Garen then. Do they build lots of health and tankier items? Not really, Jax and them go pure offense. So what is it? This is why I say it’s vague. It’s a term people use to describe fighters as a whole, but then randomly discount one or another for other reasons. Edit: just went through Poppy’s patch changes. None refer to shifting her to be a “bruiser.” Only thing close is when Q went from 80% bonus AD to 90% bonus AD, saying they were just improving more aggressive builds, but that doesn’t mean that’s what she is, just that she *can* go that way. Her only other key damage increases was 7.22, when runes reforged started, but everyone got changes that patch and no “bruiser” context given. Most of her other damage changes were nerfs except 8.4, but no context given to those buffs, and even then those were minor damage numbers.
> A mistake. You don’t give a champ a kit like she has and then put power into her offense damage. That’s what happened to Ornn. Seems Riot doesn’t know what they want. Then again, they’ve had a recent trend of buffing tanks damage and decreasing defensive and CC power. Trinity is one of few offensive items lolalytics shows for her with a decent enough pickup and winrate, but her full tank builds are still more consistent. Plus..her kit is still a tank’s kit. No mistake in moving a champ towards what she should be. She was played as a bruiser or assassin pre rework and her kit is still largely the same. > Poppy has a lot of utility and CC, focused on peel and disengage, like a Warden. You see disengage, i see engage. You don't have to use her ult to peel, you don't have to use her Dash as peel. You can perfectly use those as engage and lockdown which isn't strange for bruisers. She also has sticking power in her Q. On top of that she has crazy Ad Scaling akin to someone like gnar who also mixes offensive with defensive items. > Her most consistent success is in tank builds. I could argue Ekko was designed to be a tank because his original best build was tank. > Her kit is in the same vein as Ornn, Maokai, Nautilus. all of which are discribed as vanguards, champions who lead the charge and when looking at the whole bunch include the likes of Gnar and graggy who are by no means full tanks as they both mix tanky stuff with offensive stuff. Graggy is one of the few ap bruisers in this game even. But then look at Nautilus, he's a real tank. He ain't build to do damage, poppy is. > And again, Riot gave two differing views on her rerelease: “one offensive item” and “teamfighting tank” were both used to describe her. So which was she actually intended to be? Maybe the one that corresponds with her original playstyle? afaik you had Bruiser and AP and full AD prerework (only played bruiser). > Melee damage dealer And that's all you really need to be the most barebones def of a bruiser. Which is why you can refer to beefy/heavy bruisers which include the likes of garen/darius/poppy/old shen. Just your average bruiser like vi or xin who balances their mix quite evenly. Light bruisers who favour Full damage but imo should still have 1-2 defensive options. > Jax and them go pure offense not always true, JAx functions just fine on a mix of triforce, titanic and tank gear too. Was even his best build for a while. Even Yi can use SV or Deadmansplate. Riot has just added a bunch of crap that makes em go glasscanon. however I'm pretty sure there were times when xin prefered full damage builds too.
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: what a 5 000 000 mastery player thinks about his champion ( the worst champion in game actually)
: > [{quoted}](name=Jerry SeinfeId,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=B1wEWzjY,comment-id=000a0000000000000001,timestamp=2019-03-07T15:22:46.357+0000) > > she's supposed to opt into an offensive item before going tank. Kinda like garen and the gang used to do. > > Her rework page even states it. She's supposed to be a tanky bruiser, sadly people seem to have forgotten being somewhat tanky is part of being a bruiser and thus there's quite some different between bruisers. > > Sadly tank builds (IBG opposed to BC/TriForce builds) outperformed her bruiser builds, riot has pushed her in the direction of bruiser by nerfing her tankyness and buffing her damage. But then tank community started using it as an example of "riot's crusade against tanks". I only noticed one line that refers to an offensive item, but the overall nature of her kit and how the insights seem to explain building her, as well as her classification from the getgo, was tank. So unless the vague “bruiser” title includes tanks now..she was always meant to be more of a tank in the rework.
And yet riot tried to push her back to more offensive builds by changing her stats. I've heard people refer to garen and singed as tanks, neither of em are. and i'm pretty sure they were also labeled as tanks before the current class system was in place. Tank is just as vague as bruiser then. If you ain't full tank you ain't just a tank, imo.
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: > [{quoted}](name=Jerry SeinfeId,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=B4LRja3N,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-07T15:14:27.037+0000) > > I've been going {{item:3115}} > {{item:3124}} > {{item:3116}} / {{item:3085}} finishing off with deathcap. > > Seems good enough once you get there. Getting there's real hard and feels shit though. Lethal tempo seems ideal for late with these items but pta feels better during lane. I tried conquerer but i didn't really pay much attention to it. > going gathering storm in secondary. > > feel like i'm giving up waaaaay too much early game though, might try with fleet or sustain secondaries. She just feels real weak. why rylais? it doesn't work on her autos does it? i mean unless you count that 1 E u get...and her q already slows.. i wouldn't even bother getting the nashor's.. she needed the cdr before to stay ranged full time, but now she just gets it automatically at 11. if i played her, i'd just go straight into gunblade then guinsoo only real problem i see is how long a c/d her ult has without cdr. could get nashor's 3rd i guess? shrug. it's doubtful she'd ever make it to a third item tho. I'd love to build her the same way EZ builds, but i don't see that ever happening. too much of a suck fest.
For starters it's one of my favourite items. And it works on everything her waves hit, the E AOE, Q and on her ult too i suppose. Offers some beefyness which is nice too. Once i apply it, you ain't runnin anymore, it's like mallet teemo/gnar. nashors is still the most AP+AS on one item and offers extra AP scaling onhit which synergises with both runaans and rageblade. I've experimented on dummies switching out runaans for gunblade, i ended up having about the same dps but one offers sustain while the other offers "aoe". But yeah, like you said, GL getting to a third item. I also ended up jungling once and Stormrazor feels solid so i might try taking her back to the jungle.
: People are not understanding how Kayle works now. She is a hyper carry. She has a GOD AWFUL, GARBAGE DUMPSTER FIRE early game. You have to play safe until you at least hit 11, because otherwise, you are easy prey. Every Kayle I played with ignored my warnings about this, and ended up feeding like a charity in a third world country because they were impatient. Learn how to play Kayle. Riot's ball cupping of other hyper carries like Vayne and Kai'Sa has made you all forget that hyper carries are supposed to be very weak early game.
this shit feels worse than playing jinx during the "adc2k17lul" meta but hey i'm sure ppl are gonna reach that fantasy land you call lategame plenty. I can play safe till 11, that doesn't stop my teammate from going 0/8 during that time. nor do i have any agency on preventing it.
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