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JoroA (EUW)
: Is this what Riot wanted Rengar to be?
Too bad everyone still hates playing against him even more than before... Even ADC mains prefer old Rengar... That should speak volumes, how bad this rework actually is
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JoroA (EUW)
: Riot don't you think this is a bit too much?
I clearly pointed out a champion that i found was perfectly balanced ({{champion:14}} ) but as always the internet likes to exaggerate to no end. Just because i said they have too much VO does not mean i want them all to be like {{champion:1}}...
JoroA (EUW)
: Riot don't you think this is a bit too much?
I am not upset at all. Just pointing out something that i found completely unnecessary...
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: 1. {{champion:245}} this guy is the most overloaded champion in league...an assassin with tank assets multiple AoE cc effects. he has high burst, movement Steroids, percentage health damage (W passive effect for low hp) a dash AND a blink which BOTH can go over walls, AoE stun, AoE slow, reset ult with health regen and insane burst, amazing synergy with a lot of team comps, amazing waveclear, amazing jungle clear, strong as fuck roam potential and ganking power. if there is one champion that you put as the face of "this guy can do too much" then it is ekko 2. {{champion:268}} yeah you almost never see him These days and he certainly is in a very bad spot but the few people who do Play him are fucking Monsters. it does not matter what i do or who i Play, azir mains always find some way to win their laning phase, be it with E-Q baits, ulting me under their Tower, poking me consistently. there is NOTHING i can do vs azir Players no matter how much i prepare myself. i have to throw the game and buy 3 Counter items at least to just manage to get his face down the Floor of shame. azir is scary because he has this teemo effect. either the Player is utter trash on him or he is a 1v5 carry god. 3. {{champion:79}} he is somewhat self explanatory for me as an assassin main. he has damage reduction that with no cdr is on a 8-3 second cooldown, he has one of the longest dashes in the game being able to go through almost any walls except the very fat ones at the edge of top and bot lane, he has an AoE disengage that can be used like a beast to shoot you undertower, he has very strong sustain AND burst damage thanks to his low cooldowns and his high Q numbers. and there is no uglier feeling in the world than being oneshot by a fat, drunk, halfway passed out semi naked redneck 4. {{champion:34}} her egg....her fucking egg passive, her wall that can cockblock any champion relying on movement speed, her stupendously strong waveclear once she hits 6, she has AoE presence for the teamfights, she has zoning potential, she has strong as heck burst, her Q can be quick tapped to stun a melee champion. she has so much damage and presence and if it was not for the difficulty of her Q and ult placements and hittings she would be a total Monster, so much i would consider her an assassin mage on par with veigar 5. {{champion:82}} people underestimate him so much. you often see him and you think to yourself "mmm yummy, give momma some of dat feed" and suddenly you hear it....**BONK** and you are dead AND on their side now aswell. YOUR super fed vayne is now THEIR super fed vayne. what is most scary about him is how low his cooldowns are, he can already in the earlygame have both sustain and burst damage which is UNRIVALED if you manage to hit your skills and Q empowered AA. mordekaiser mains are terrifying because they can also get bonus stats from having the dragon on their side. and if used right his ult can give you both a dragon AND an enemy to participate as allies making this 5v5 into a 7v4. thought he can be kyted effectively, all you Need is to pack in stormraiders surge on him and manage to get a single Q hit on someone squishy to eliminate the one and only way of counterplaying you. people underestimate morde so much
> [{quoted}](name=Zed Bot Tacocat,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=v80iAcIG,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-04-08T12:53:47.453+0000) > > 1. {{champion:245}} this guy is the most overloaded champion in league...an assassin with tank assets multiple AoE cc effects. he has high burst, movement Steroids, percentage health damage (W passive effect for low hp) a dash AND a blink which BOTH can go over walls, AoE stun, AoE slow, reset ult with health regen and insane burst, amazing synergy with a lot of team comps, amazing waveclear, amazing jungle clear, strong as fuck roam potential and ganking power. if there is one champion that you put as the face of "this guy can do too much" then it is ekko > > 2. {{champion:268}} yeah you almost never see him These days and he certainly is in a very bad spot but the few people who do Play him are fucking Monsters. it does not matter what i do or who i Play, azir mains always find some way to win their laning phase, be it with E-Q baits, ulting me under their Tower, poking me consistently. there is NOTHING i can do vs azir Players no matter how much i prepare myself. i have to throw the game and buy 3 Counter items at least to just manage to get his face down the Floor of shame. azir is scary because he has this teemo effect. either the Player is utter trash on him or he is a 1v5 carry god. > > 3. {{champion:79}} he is somewhat self explanatory for me as an assassin main. he has damage reduction that with no cdr is on a 8-3 second cooldown, he has one of the longest dashes in the game being able to go through almost any walls except the very fat ones at the edge of top and bot lane, he has an AoE disengage that can be used like a beast to shoot you undertower, he has very strong sustain AND burst damage thanks to his low cooldowns and his high Q numbers. and there is no uglier feeling in the world than being oneshot by a fat, drunk, halfway passed out semi naked redneck > > 4. {{champion:34}} her egg....her fucking egg passive, her wall that can cockblock any champion relying on movement speed, her stupendously strong waveclear once she hits 6, she has AoE presence for the teamfights, she has zoning potential, she has strong as heck burst, her Q can be quick tapped to stun a melee champion. she has so much damage and presence and if it was not for the difficulty of her Q and ult placements and hittings she would be a total Monster, so much i would consider her an assassin mage on par with veigar > > 5. {{champion:82}} people underestimate him so much. you often see him and you think to yourself "mmm yummy, give momma some of dat feed" and suddenly you hear it....**BONK** and you are dead AND on their side now aswell. YOUR super fed vayne is now THEIR super fed vayne. what is most scary about him is how low his cooldowns are, he can already in the earlygame have both sustain and burst damage which is UNRIVALED if you manage to hit your skills and Q empowered AA. mordekaiser mains are terrifying because they can also get bonus stats from having the dragon on their side. and if used right his ult can give you both a dragon AND an enemy to participate as allies making this 5v5 into a 7v4. thought he can be kyted effectively, all you Need is to pack in stormraiders surge on him and manage to get a single Q hit on someone squishy to eliminate the one and only way of counterplaying you. people underestimate morde so much I agree with all your champions and reasoning, but i feel the way they are, is fine... kinda. Azir is also one of my most hated, lucky he is gutted. Honestly if my top 5 were deleted my list would very similar to yours!
: I'd just list all mage supports since they're ruining my life of tank supports :P
> [{quoted}](name=OurLestrade,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=v80iAcIG,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-04-08T12:35:24.851+0000) > > I'd just list all mage supports since they're ruining my life of tank supports :P I like when there is variety, the problem is that they have been too strong for almost 3 seasons and there are no viable tank supports unless they are overpowered.
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Tomosima (EUNE)
: Which pre reworked champion do you miss the most?
KnifeCat (OCE)
: Revert Rengar already. New Rengar is an abomination.
I love how i wanted him reverted since the start and i am either ignored or downvoted.... finally some people decide to actually use their brains
: Rengar Rework Idea: Revert rework
That works for me too... :D
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Ediarai (NA)
: So you're saying that a Rengar with full build jumping on you with full crit and damage, one shotting you in a matter of seconds was more balanced than what he is now? If you do, then you are overestimating Rengar by a large margin. If Rengar was reverted in the current meta, it would be really, really strong in my opinion.
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: This whole post sounds racist and I resent that. People have a right to migrate, even if its to play in a sports team. I bet if TSM went to a Korean League dojo for a year , become good and then return to take NA you wouldn't complain about it right? Instead of whining about these players you should be thankful for the chance to learn from them because they might actually raise the level of NA and EU leagues.
Y... you are joking right? ...right?
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dominusx (EUNE)
: Rengar rework was a failure.
I said it multiple times and i was either ignored or downvoted. I have said it ever since i tested him for the first time on the PBE version.
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: rengar isn't worth the ban lol
Too bad he is almost 60% banned...
: Because now he is one of the few assassins that can still do that. Before people like Talon, Leblanc, Zed or Fizz were banned more because they had even less counterplay than rengo, but now that Zed and Talon are shit, Fizz is played less for some reason and Leblanc takes more time to burst people down, Rengo is one of the only assassins that can insta kill you without any counterplay.
Oh... well that makes sense! So in a sense he is the last of his kind... :( sad story
: He is annoying to play against an has no counterplay. If he jumps on you you are dead and you just have to accept it. It's not OP since he will get deleted by your team afterward but knowing I can play against a champion that just removes me from the game every fight makes me want to avoid him.
What is different than before tho? Before he could do that with even less reaction time, yet was less banned by 15%...
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463 (NA)
: Older season cause of nostalgia. Playing with full man normals with friends on skype was the best thing ever. Season 2, because of worlds, I was VERY hyped. Especially when they did innovative stuff like tank Rengar, at least it was innovative in my eyes I wasn't aware of it. I was super super excited during Season 2 worlds throughout the whole thing. After that, nothing really hit for me. Stacking gold items was pretty fun. Just gaining passive gold while you run around and roam. Also TPA won, pretty sweet.
I think it is not only nostalgia, back in season 2 it was still relatively new and had so much room to grow. After that it feels like it became stale.
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: I like the current version a lot. It fits the fantasy really well, particularly with taking a trophy from each enemy. From a fantasy perspective, the current Rengar is bar none the best. I also like it for balance. I feel it's easier to balance now, especially since his stealth is Camouflage. Imo, the only outstanding thing they should address is the guaranteed crit, but even then, it can be played against by having tanks sit by the vulnerable people.
But taking a trophy by itself is incredibly snowbally. Yes it is cool. Fact. But it creates massive problems for balance. And his camouflage does not feel like a utility, because everyone can guess with their positioning where you are and you rely on your crit to do damage, otherwise you do pitiful damage. (basically from a utility tool, his ult turned into a potential nuke that alerts them to your positioning). Also i really dislike that his Q is no longer an auto reset. I personally feel like it was a core part of him...
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: Thresh has poor base stats because of how good his kit actually is. If he were melee, he would lose the things that make him special, and they would have to rework his E entirely if he scaled any harder than he does right now (Thresh's E is savage in the right hands, active and passive alike). Being able to proc the execute on Relic Shield is already somewhat covered by his E, and turning him into a true melee wouldn't do him any favors. Aside from being painfully slow (which a melee champion can't be and have any hope), Thresh is designed to scale with souls anyway. He becomes a Tanky Nightmare if gathers enough of them one way or another. Increasing his scale would likely break him.
What i meant to say is his early and mid game feel like he is more of a utility support, rather than a tank and if he scales to super late game he becomes, like a different champion. So why not balance him around tank from the start. Early he is a lane bully with great utility Mid game he is a tanky support with great utility Late game he becomes the god of tanks pretty much with great utility.
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Octavia (EUW)
: doubt it is
Every streamer and i think on occasion a caster mention that it is and it will continue to grow for at least two more years before stagnating, but i see no evidence of this.
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: was an 8/10 read, but then you stated he was not op, when you are mistaken, he is blatently so. rengar is a stat check, nothing more and nothing less, you can either survive the burst or not. the kit is beyond flawed right now. (too much mobility from R, go ahead and chase an adc back to their base even though they started running back the moment the global ult roar was heard) guaranteed crit (which he should have to build for if he wants it) and the inability to take stacks away from him or properly punish him for making mistakes. riot hates free stats, this champion should be no exception and his free stats should be revoked for a better design.
I did not say it is because he is OP, i said that him OP is not the reason why he is hated. OP champs show up all the time and once they are nerfed they are OK. Current Rengar untill he is Gutted the non-Rengar players will not be satisfied. And the reason is his Kit, (That includes bonetooth)
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