PCPolice (NA)
: Suspended for leaving lane with someone who started saying threatening things and hate speech
What do you mean by personal stuff they shouldn't know? Like assuming something that randomly was true about you, or something specific, that they couldn't possibly know or guess? If it's the latter this is problematic and you should contact Riot/law enforcements. Now I'm not sure how the riots detecting system exactly works in case of "inting" detection, but I assume it was your score together with your build + getting reported, that triggered it. Looking at your match history you always play Janna as it's supposed to and in your last game you go hurricane/vampric sceptre. However, since Riot has previously said that playing off-meta tactics is not punishable, and you were playing a normal game, so unless there is some proof of intentionally feeding/trolling in your game replay, I don't see why this should be punished according to the current rules. Also, are you sure they weren't punished for threats and hate speech? Seeing how insanely strict the chat-related detection system is, it's hard to believe they werent punished, if you reported them.
Saezio (EUNE)
: At first I thought it was just a funny way to spell bummer. But turns out it means Old person that doesn't like/is incapable of change.
It derives from "Baby boomers", basicly the grandparents generation of current USA (and western Europe?) teenagers, which is these days used as a meme by younger people to refer to someone older than them. Is this actually punishable too now...?
: What should validate a permanent ban?
My opinion, after years of playing and after being in this forum for a ~week now and seeing the current situation. Immediately increase the difference between the punishments for extreme toxicity and regular "banter". It's absolutely disgraceful, that racism and death threats get you permanently banned for 2 offences, while mild negative attitude can get you permanently banned for just few more offences. There should absolutely be a bigger gap between these two. Just increase the chat restriction punishments maybe? If they have been used for years now, I assume Riots stats sho they tend to help. I've seen many people here not agree with it, I personally do agree. At least someone who was usually punished for negative attitude, when I got tilted, chat restriction definately helped me focus more on the game than on the chat. I also don't really agree with the fact that this would ruin your teammates games somehow, if you think about your soloq games, how much of the text in chat is actually helpful/about teamwork and trying to win? You can use pings for anything immediate/important. It's not like its usual that players are writing out some long strategies in the chat. Overall I wouldn't mind the current punishments for extreme verbal offences, one warning should be enough before a permanent ban, if you tell people to kill themselves or something similar. I do think that punishing for mild stuff has crossed the line, in a game that has built-in chat filter and the possibility to mute someone with one mouse click, I don't agree that negative attitude (which is so usual in team sports) should be punished **that** severely. Definately change the way intentional feeding bans are being handled. I'm not sure how actively the support team is looking over unban appeals, if they are doing it, this might not be that big of a problem, but otherwise I see a huge issue with banning people for intentionally feeding just from their scoreline/builds/cs per minute or which ever stats. In normal games you can duo with whoever, so if a beginner duos with a diamond player, and gets to play against a gold for example, they could absolutely without any negative itention go 0/20, even if they really try to play defensive. And this could easily happen several games in a row. **Since you cannot duo like this in ranked, it would make sense to have this kind of automatic detection in ranked, not in normal** Also griefing. I have been banned from the game, but I can say I have never griefed/ran it down. I still think situatsion like the kindred player case ( https://streamable.com/j68wk ) should definately not be punished, at least **that** harshly. I play in similar skill level to his, and I see so often plays like that. Sure, it might come from being tilted and not focusing enough, but this to me feels nothing more than banning people for playing bad. Especially playing at night, I see these kind of things so often, someone is tired, decides to play one more game - finds out they shouldn't, because they are actually too tired - maybe getting autofilled aswell - what happens is they play **wayyyy** below their skill level. Sure they have maybe ruined someones game, but the average ranked player plays what, 400-500 games a year? Should someone be banned for playing really bad in **one** game? Makes no sense to me. Cheating? Permanent ban for first offence, I don't mind. As long as it's obvious/proven of course.
: citation needed please. both of those sentences are pure opinion and conjecture
Lol your posts on this thread have been pretty funny to read, I must say. All you do is call out other people and their opinions asking for "citations", while contributing nothing to the conversation, not even with your own decently formulated personal opinions. > both of those sentences are pure opinion and conjecture First sentence of the persons post : > Except they just make new accounts and ruin the experience for new players. What kind of citation or empirical data would have to be provided to prove this? Isn't this absolutely obvious, that many banned people do make new accounts, therefore, matching up with new players, and since they have been banned before there is obviously a bigger chance they will be toxic in their games, and "ruin the experience for new players" as said. At least show some respect to people by actually thinking about what they write, before calling them out. And some data for you aswell if you need, the strawpoll posted above with over 5k reddit players answering. https://www.strawpoll.me/18054580/r According to that ~10% of players have been permanently banned **more than once** which means they have returned, and "ruined the experience for new players". Second sentence of the persons post: > The way bans are right now is not helping. Obviously a statement that does not contribute to the discussion much either, since the current ban system is obviously **helping**, if not being perfect and they are not offering an alternative way for bans to work that would be superior. However they have, in their first sentence, mentioned a potential flaw in the system, so having a critical opinion on it is definately warranted. Also, do you even think what you are asking for? How could people provide citations or proof of Riot's data, that they have not made public? Do you think in order to be allowed to post your opinions on the forums, you would have to first conduct your own research, which by the way would be pretty impossible to do in this case, without Riots data? It honestly seems like you scroll through the posts asking for "citations" on anything you might not agree with at first glance, or calling out "strawmans" while not even knowing what the word means.
: If he writes to Riot support to tell them he's a new player and only got matched with smurfs because he let his brother play on his account, then they're more likely to have the ban changed to a perma, as account sharing is against the tos and a bannable offense.
I very much doubt someone would manually permanently ban the account, when they can clearly see it's a new player and there was **one** game played by their brother. Wouldn't make much sense if this was punished more harshly than intentionally feeding, but yes I agree, he did break the rules and could be banned for it. But the fact that his brother played one game on his account doesn't mean it somehow justified the ban from the automated system, since it was for inting, not account sharing. He could just aswell be a new player and que up with his brother/friend who has high normal-game MMR and they will still get some players with very high MMR, which can result in "inting" score from him. And it's not like **that** big of a skill difference is needed to get extremely bad score. If I (low diamond) play fizz mid for example, against a gold player and manage to get 2 early kills, and he doesn't get much help from team, I can soon kill him over and over again and can easily result in 0/15 score or whaetever, with him never inting or giving up. And It has definately happened before, I honestly hope none of these players have been banned.
: Thank you so much! I guess I'll ask some of my friends to play with me. A fourteen day ban is fine, but even although I kept apologizing and improving in game, some teammates were kept treating me with toxicity. I really hope I can get better and same thing won't happen again to other new players in the future.
A fourteen day ban is **not** fine, and you should write to Riot support to get unbanned. They will definately see that you are a new player, not intentionally feeding. And you really have to do it, because how the punishment system works, you are now basicly "flagged". So for next offence, be it for a reason or not, you could get your account permanently banned.
: > [{quoted}](name=Kamakas,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EjJJA2Ee,comment-id=0008000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-12-04T13:15:52.314+0000) > >And since you were pointing out Riot is moving towards even stricter rules I'm not sure how this is the industry standard? never said it was the industry standard, i said the industry was trending that direction >could you maybe clarify with an example, how much further in the direction of stricter rules should Riot go? Maybe point out some phrase or action that should be punishable in future, that maybe isnt yet? i never said they should be stricter if you're going to keep trying to put words in my mouth to suit your argument then i see no need to respond further goodbye{{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
I don't understand why you are so defensive about it lol, just trying to have a discussion. Let me quote you then, if you feel im putting words into your mouth... > if anything they, and other giants of the industry, are moving in the exact opposite direction of what you are describing So you are saying that the industry is moving towards stricter rules..I'm not sure how else to understand this. > if you see this as a bad thing then idk what to tell ya And you clearly agree with this, and that's absolutely fine, I was literally just asking for clarification on what exactly your opinion is, and how much stricter the rules should be, in comparison to what I was punished for?
: the industry is trending away from allowing toxicity on their private platforms, that's not opinion, that is fact. and by industry I mean all video games, did you even bother to click the link i posted? literally hundreds of developers have signed on...RIOT, Epic games, EA, Blizzard, etc. **"for gaming professionals and companies to work together to develop and share best practices in encouraging healthy communities and awesome player interactions in online gaming. We envision a world where games are free of harassment, discrimination, and abuse, and where players can express themselves through play."** if you see this as a bad thing then idk what to tell ya
I didn't argue with the fact that not only gaming industry but rather all public platforms have moved towards more strict rules, I was simply asking for clarification, since from my personal experience I have never been or seen anyone get punished for something similar to what this thread was made about in any other online games. And since you were pointing out Riot is moving towards even stricter rules I'm not sure how this is the industry standard? You clearly agree (I assume) that the chatlog I posted should be punishable, could you maybe clarify with an example, how much further in the direction of stricter rules should Riot go? Maybe point out some phrase or action that should be punishable in future, that maybe isnt yet?
: lol that's where the industry is trending, like it or not
Where exactly is the "industry" trending to, to a point you could get banned _more_ easily, than calling someone dumb? Also by industry I'm not sure what you are talking about exactly. Sure hardcore toxicity, racism etc is bannable pretty much everywhere on internet, however I have never been punished in any other game for being tilted in a game, showing some negative attitude and calling someone "dumb".
Prandine (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Clockwork Mouse,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EjJJA2Ee,comment-id=00080000000100000000,timestamp=2019-12-03T18:51:39.669+0000) > > Yes "people" have decided that, sure. It is not large corporations that you are talking about here. This is just a way to censer what people say disguised as some kind of moral good. I disagree. People are still allowed to voice their frustrations and criticisms but aren't allowed to start throwing things like insults, name-calling, hate speech and death wishes around. That kind of stuff is unacceptable and is just a very poor way of getting ones point across in general. I fail to see how expecting people to exercise some basic levels of maturity, respect and decency and holding them accountable if they refuse to do so is wrong. Freedom of speech =/= freedom of speech consequences after all. >We all saw what happened to Blitzchung for his hurtful, biggoted words to the Chinese, what a toxic man. I definitely agree that Blitzchung's case was handled very poorly by Blizzard, and he shouldn't have received the punishment he got.
As I see this thread has transformed into discussion about whether _anything_ should be bannable at all, which is kind of irrelevent in my opinion, since this is not about some certain industry, this is pretty much the global norm, that death threats, racism etc will get you banned from the platform, be it games, social media or anything else, and the vast majority of people have no issue with it. The problem in this case is creating an automated system of punishment, where certain type of "soft" negative behaviour can get you punished/banned (not **that** much differently from the most extreme form of verbal abuse) from the game "if you do it often", or if you have been punished before etc, while producing vague enough information to the customer that people can easily get punished for something they are not aware is punishable. And I'm not saying it to protect negative behaviour of this kind, it's just one of the two most basic objectives of punishments - to prevent people from doing something that is deemed punishable.
: this is, 100%, guaranteed, without a doubt, **NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!** first of all is just a terrible idea 2nd RIOT has recently joined with hundreds of other developers to fight AGAINST toxicity, if anything they, and other giants of the industry, are moving in the exact **opposite** direction of what you are describing, https://fairplayalliance.org/
I would be very unpleasantly surprised if Riot moves _further_ in the direction of implementing rules to reduce toxicity, if you can already get banned for calling someone dumb. Even more than that would honestly cross the line of absurdity.
Hotarµ (NA)
: > Honestly this feels patronizing at this point lol, not to mention straight up false from the statistical point of view, you could easily make pretty accurate assumptions about the whole western playerbase from lets say the answers of 100 people, in this kind of yes/no question. Sorry if it came across as patronizing, that wasn't my intent. My point was that the Boards are impossibly small compared to Reddit and Twitter, using that as a platform for gauging a public perception won't give you good, accurate results. > Although I obviously have not conducted any research on "how many people would agree this warrants a ban" (although this very post was to have an idea about it) and I don't have some empirical data to present to you, I have been playing this game for years, I can't see how anyone else playing in similar environment could not see, that the average player _definately_ is not aware you can be banned for calling someone dumb and being negative to the extent I demonstrated in my last game. >I have not even opened a ticket and I have said very clearly I am not trying to get the ban revoked, how would you like me to _take responsibility for my actions_? My past offences are not relevent to my behavior, if i did not know you can get punished for this - again, this is why i made this post, to see if I'm the extreme minority here or not. _________ That responsibility comment was directed towards this part of your reply when you said: >"Yes, I did get the "Any continued negativity will result in a permanent ban." statement, but because I wasn't aware how easily you can get punished, it didn't prevent me from getting banned." I wasn't talking to you in particular, I should have made that more clear and repeatedly using "you" was a horrible idea. My point was that if someone is trying to say the warning(s) aren't enough, that's not really fair or correct to say as that excuse can only take someone so far. Receiving a 10 or 25 game chat restriction is understandable, mistakes happen, but most people will never go further than a 14-day suspension because at that point the system isn't to blame, they're the ones violating the rules that have been made clear to them on multiple occasions. Even if you look at some of the actual surveys/posts conducted, most players have no issues understanding the rules. [**Twitter post by Nasteey with about 300+ entrants.**](https://twitter.com/Nasteeylol/status/1191784038740049920) [**Reddit post by user Aszelee with almost 5,000 votes.**](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/bt1kgr/poll_have_you_ever_been_banned_from_league_of/) [**Strawpoll results from the above post**](https://www.strawpoll.me/18054580/r) If you didn't understand that and/or the punishment system as a whole, that's fine and no disrespect to you. But I'm just answering the main question of your post.
> Receiving a 10 or 25 game chat restriction is understandable, mistakes happen, but most people will never go further than a 14-day suspension because at that point the system isn't to blame, they're the ones violating the rules that have been made clear to them on multiple occasions. I understand what you are trying to say, but that's the whole point I'm trying to make, it isn't this black and white if players don't have clear understanding of what is considered violating the rules and what is not. If someone gets punished for saying get c****r, they will have a clear idea that this is not tolerable, next time they might get punished for calling someone ape (this was my last ban, ape in gameplay context tho) and find out this is considered punishable aswell. Then next time they say dumb they could be permanently banned, while not being aware _at all_ they are breaking the rules. Same goes for negative attitude. Is saying ff punishable? Can typing out someones score or calling out (without toxic words) get you banned? Saying _you have to do it often_ makes no sense to me. It should either be punishable or not, so people could actually follow the rules and play accordingly, not have this vague idea of "I wonder how many games out of 100 am I allowed to get tilted and show negative attitude in". The strawpoll you linked only illustrates my concern further. According to that, 37% of the people have been **banned** at least once. I would expect the reddit playerbase to be much more toxic than the average, but these numbers are insane, 10% permabanned at least once? 8% on more than one account? Sure, most of these people are probably toxic and have refused to change their ways, but this honestly seems to illustrate the fact that there might be a very considerable number of people who either get softer punishments or also permanently banned because of Riots vague ruleset. Now obviously Riot couldn't just publish the "101 of getting banned" of words and phrases that are not tolerated, since it could help people avoid punishment, but there certainly are ways to make the lines clearer.
Hotarµ (NA)
: > Although, I feel if many people find in this particular case, that the punishment is not warranted, there is a gap between what players know is punishable and what Riot is punishing for. Well, remember that the Boards are an incredibly small portion of the community (not even 1% most likely), everyone here could agree that the punishment was unwarranted but that still wouldn't be indicative of there being a gap in the public knowledge. Also, while I'm currently a Specialist on the Boards, I knew about the punishment ladder long before I even started posting here. When I got my first 10 game chat restriction on my now-permabanned main account, it took maybe 15-30 seconds to figure out how the system worked. The information is readily available and even if it wasn't, you already received three prior punishments for this same behavior. > So if this kind of behaviour, calling someone dumb/showing negative attitude in-game, is punishable, then looking at the standard ladder of punishment you showed, 4 games like this can get you permanently banned from this game. Looking back to my games and the players I know, I honestly think most of the community is not aware of this. I mean of all the cases I have seen from reddit or elsewhere about players being toxic and getting banned, I can't remember anyone getting banned for calling someone dumb in-game. Just to clear up any misconceptions, that's not all you did. You asked for reports, called someone out for their score and inability to perform, had a negative attitude, and argued (albeit briefly) with your teammates. That being said you also did this 3 times in total, playing through a full 35 games with your chat restricted, waited out a full 2 week suspension, and received reform cards every step of the way. Even if someone doesn't necessarily agree with the rules, that's ample time to understand what behavior is punishable and change it accordingly. > So the system of punishment for chat related offences is currently like this: for the worst toxicity/racism/death threats you get 1 warning - 2 week ban before a permanent ban. For calling someone dumb/showing negative attitude, you get 3 warnings before a permanent ban. This kind of punishment system honestly seems dumb do me and should be improved. IMO it's fine, I think it's lenient enough on people and receiving more chances really wouldn't change anything. If you feel differently, that's your opinion and you're welcome to have it. > Anyways, as I wrote in my first post, I'm not here to try to get the ban overturned or justifice my own actions, just ask the people if they think it's warranted and to see if they are aware this kind of behaviour is bannable. Yes, I did get the "Any continued negativity will result in a permanent ban." statement, but because I wasn't aware how easily you can get punished, it didn't prevent me from getting banned. No disrespect, I think at that point you should take responsibility for your own actions. You received a notice that explicitly stated any further negativity (such as the three prior punishments you received) would result in a permanent ban. You really can't get much more transparent than that, and as mentioned previously the information was readily available for you to research.
> Well, remember that the Boards are an incredibly small portion of the community (not even 1% most likely), everyone here could agree that the punishment was unwarranted but that still wouldn't be indicative of there being a gap in the public knowledge. Honestly this feels patronizing at this point lol, not to mention straight up false from the statistical point of view, you could easily make pretty accurate assumptions about the whole western playerbase from lets say the answers of 100 people, in this kind of yes/no question. Although I obviously have not conducted any research on "how many people would agree this warrants a ban" (although this very post was to have an idea about it) and I don't have some empirical data to present to you, I have been playing this game for years, I can't see how anyone else playing in similar environment could not see, that the average player _definately_ is not aware you can be banned for calling someone dumb and being negative to the extent I demonstrated in my last game. > No disrespect, I think at that point you should take responsibility for your own actions. You received a notice that explicitly stated any further negativity (such as the three prior punishments you received) would result in a permanent ban. You really can't get much more transparent than that, and as mentioned previously the information was readily available for you to research. I have not even opened a ticket and I have said very clearly I am not trying to get the ban revoked, how would you like me to _take responsibility for my actions_? My past offences are not relevent to my behavior, if i did not know you can get punished for this - again, this is why i made this post, to see if I'm the extreme minority here or not.
Arcade Lulu (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EjJJA2Ee,comment-id=00000002000000000000,timestamp=2019-12-01T21:36:31.237+0000) > > Yes. That is the case. There is no published "ruleset" for this because it is based on your behavior after those warnings. > > Your honor being "unlocked" happens very quickly after the punishment - but regaining honor levels takes longer. > > It's easier because you haven't fallen down in the "warning" pathway as described above - thus the prior punishments are still factoring into your account standing. Is someone downvote botting you or something? All of your recent comments have -20 etc 21 downvotes in 12 minutes is pretty suspicious
I was wondering the same lol. I swear it's not me.
rujitra (NA)
: How do you suggest it can be improved? More warnings? Riot tried that - they found that people who do not reform before a permanent ban tend to not reform (much over 95% of them continued being toxic and just got permabanned eventually anyway). Give a "second chance"? Again, it's been tried (twice now) and failed. I think most people here are more than open to hearing ideas on how it can be improved - but it will not be "improved" if your ideas of improving serve only to help yourself at the cost of releasing more toxicity from others in the game. Riot cannot make special rules for you - nor can they have an employee sit with you and watch every single game to "monitor" you. They must apply the rules and standards to everyone equally - meaning giving you another chance also gives 19 other players (if we assume 95% to 5% ratio) the chance to ruin more games before they are punished again. You were referred to the Summoner's Code - which makes quite clear what behaviors are punishable. You also seem to understand that your behavior in this game was not acceptable. You're now saying you weren't aware how 'easily' you can get punished - but you understood yourself that your behavior like this was not okay. I'm not sure how much clearer a warning they can give that **any** further misbehavior would be a permanent ban - but again, open to hearing your suggestions.
I'm glad you are open for suggestions but unless you work for Riot I don't see how it can help. From the top of my head though: Put more emphasis on the chat punishments, for chat-related offences. Maybe first warning chat restriction, second warning a temporal chat mute, third warning permanent chat mute and fourth offence of any kind permanent ban of account. This would make much more sense, while not being less tough at all. And as someone who has been chat restricted I can say (and im sure riots statistics would confirm) that they actually do work - certain amount of games without the ability to type much _does_ make you focus more on the game and less on the chat. And if you mention that I was referred to the Summoner's Code and should know the rules - the fact is, as I have stated before, very many people of this community _are not_ aware that you can be punished for a chat log like I have posted.
rujitra (NA)
: You're still wrong, although I concede that my numbers are not exactly appropriate. Being racist twice would get a permanent ban. **Getting 4 punishments without "reduction" would also**. You don't get a punishment for one game like you did on your first offense. And not even on your second offense. You don't get a chat restriction for one game like this unless it is either *incredibly* toxic on its own or you have had prior punishments. It's not 2 to 4. Most punishments for what you call "minor" toxic behavior take 3 games of displaying that behavior in. So it's 2 to 12. And that doesn't include the fact that there are also likely dozens of games you had one or two toxic lines in that also played a role in your punishment. But regardless, sure, if that's what you want to believe. As I said before, consistent bad behavior is just as bad as one time "very" bad behavior.
What do you mean without "reduction"? Are you implying there is a mechanism for those first "warnings" to go away if you don't break the rules for a while? Would like to read about that. Since this ban for calling someone dumb came when I was not under the effect of any past punishments, I was not chat restricted and my honor was unlocked. Also how do you know that it's easier to get punished when you have been punished before? Has Riot announced this somehow?
rujitra (NA)
: This isn’t really minor toxicity though. This is you thinking it’s acceptable to spend over half a game demeaning your **TEAM**mates. Yes, of course something like this is worthy of punishment. My problem is that it took quite a number of games until you were finally punished and leave the game. *edit to clarify*: And this is where your statement falls apart: >If I am right, being extremely racist is considered the same as saying "ok u are dumb" in Riots eyes. No. Being extremely racist *in one instance* is considered *just as toxic* as being "standard toxic" *over dozens of games*. Just like how you speeding once is going to get you a ticket - but speed 10 times and your license is getting revoked and/or jail time - just like DUI once. No, they aren't the same if done once each. They are the same if you repeat the "small" offense a lot.
This is false, look at the post above by Hotarµ. The correct analogy with your example would be - being extremely racist _in two_ instances, is considered _just as toxic_ as being "standard toxic" _in four_ instances.
Hotarµ (NA)
: Something everyone is glossing over is that while OP's punishments may not have been for anything severe, they were still punishments all the same. When you receive any punishment, you're warned that further offenses will lead to more severe punishments down the line, up to and including a permanent suspension. On the 14-day suspension reform card, it explicitly states that "_Any_ continued negativity will result in a permanent ban." Imagine you're in a store with 2 other people, the shopkeeper and another customer. The other customer pushes a rack over ruining a bunch of merchandise and making a mess of the place, they're immediately kicked out. You disrupt a customer, the shopkeeper asks you not to do that again. You do it again, the shopkeeper asks you _again,_ a little more sternly, to not do that. You do it one more time and the shopkeeper shouts, telling you that the next time you bother a customer, you **will** be kicked out. _Any_ disruption **no matter how big or small** will get you kicked out, or in this case, permanently banned, because you have been warned multiple times and you're on your last straw. Your account was pretty much hanging off a cliff, you exhausted all your chances and Riot specifically said "Hey, if you do this again, you're out." It's unfortunate that you got suspended, but even these short logs have problematic elements in them like asking for reports, giving up early/begging your team to FF, and insulting or disrespecting other players (namely "what a joke", calling out the score differences.) >The problem in my opinion is the automatic system of punishments. Once you have been punished before, the next punishment seems to automatically be harsher than the last one, in a strick defined line. **(cont.)** >If I am right, being extremely racist is considered the same as saying "ok u are dumb" in Riots eyes. That is not correct and not how the system functions. There are two separate ladders for punishments, we're going to focus on the chat related one. The standard ladder is as follows: [](https://.) ##10 game chat restriction > 25 game chat restriction > 14 day suspension > Permanent suspension [](https://.) When you violate the rules with "standard" toxicity (swearing at other users, calling for reports, etc.) you gradually move up the ladder until you reach a permanent suspension. When you use **zero-tolerance** language (term used for any racist, homophobic, sexist, or other discriminatory slurs + death threats) you immediately receive a 14-day suspension, one step away from a permanent ban. The end result is the same, yes, as both players are permanently banned, but being extremely racist is treated with much more severe, immediate punishments. "Ok you are dumb" is not on the same level.
Thank you, that actually answers my question about the punishment severity between "standard" and "extreme" toxicity, I didn't know that. At least there is _some_ difference. Although, I feel if many people find in this particular case, that the punishment is not warranted, there is a gap between what players know is punishable and what Riot is punishing for. So if this kind of behaviour, calling someone dumb/showing negative attitude in-game, is punishable, then looking at the standard ladder of punishment you showed, 4 games like this can get you permanently banned from this game. Looking back to my games and the players I know, I honestly think most of the community is not aware of this. I mean of all the cases I have seen from reddit or elsewhere about players being toxic and getting banned, I can't remember anyone getting banned for calling someone dumb in-game. So the system of punishment for chat related offences is currently like this: for the worst toxicity/racism/death threats you get 1 warning - 2 week ban before a permanent ban. For calling someone dumb/showing negative attitude, you get 3 warnings before a permanent ban. This kind of punishment system honestly seems dumb do me and should be improved. Anyways, as I wrote in my first post, I'm not here to try to get the ban overturned or justifice my own actions, just ask the people if they think it's warranted and to see if they are aware this kind of behaviour is bannable. Yes, I did get the "Any continued negativity will result in a permanent ban." statement, but because I wasn't aware how easily you can get punished, it didn't prevent me from getting banned.
: > [{quoted}](name=Kamakas,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EjJJA2Ee,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-12-01T18:58:00.271+0000) > >If I am right, being extremely racist is considered the same as saying "ok u are dumb" in Riots eyes. Yo man, just do what I do and spam emotes/pings at people. Never been banned for excessive spamming of emotes/pings before. Been doing it since emotes were released. And I EXCESSIVELY spam them. :D
Funny thing I actually uninstalled the game 4-5 days ago, and decided to quit it. (taking too much time since I'm in school) Now today installed it back to play a little, and found I was permabanned. I think the universe is telling me I should keep it uninstalled :D
: what aren't you showing...surely saying someone is dumb isn't the trigger.
That's really all there is. Only had 1 chat log and copied the whole thing here.
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