: It's time to do something about Nasus.
Nasus is completely fine. He has 0 mobility and in a TF your team has to cover for the withered one. You can build against him easily (botrk). In early if he farms up jsut take a character that too benefits from lasthits. Counterpick him: Urgot wrecks hist ass hard. So nope, no nerf needed. Except maybe that his Q should not work on turrets and structures.
rujitra (NA)
: The shape of it is such that it’s very hard to aim and very easy to dodge. Pyke cannot gain more max health thus he remains one of the squishiest champions in the game who can be focused down at the beginning of a fight if you’re worried about him.
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nu1bgyQk,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-12T19:36:00.657+0000) > > The shape of it is such that it’s very hard to aim and very easy to dodge. > > Pyke cannot gain more max health thus he remains one of the squishiest champions in the game who can be focused down at the beginning of a fight if you’re worried about him. first: the Shablone is bullshit 90% of times. its not the least bit hard to hit because its not acurate. You can be right beside the X arms and still get killed. Second: He might be prone to hard cc all ins but everything else is absolutely fruitless. In lane without a Jungle you wont have enough lockdown time before he dashes/stealthes and heals up. The stun on his dash is over all the dumbest Idea ever because it makes him super safe and easy. Third: In later teamfights his stupid invis gives him 60%(!) movementspeed. He can just pick off one of the squishys before the fight starts, or you waste an engage on the enemy support and the whole enemy team just blows you up.
: Does meta even matter anymore
No. Tank meta was one season and since then Rito is so scared of tanks they gutted their items and dont dare to buff neither items nore tanks (small numberchanges dont really help. like Randuins.Its more ajoke than abuff)
: 3 Autofilled VS 0 Autofilled . Who wins ?
> [{quoted}](name=jng dif victim,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7gtxdws9,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-07-12T09:17:25.739+0000) > > Why this even exist ????? To lower queuetimes.
: After someone dodges in champ select.
Got absolutely no problem with it. Always get my mainrole. Dunno what your problem is. Oh wait everyone avoids beeing support..well sucks for you. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-rainbows}}
: Change Yummi Q
I dont know. its just a very brief slow and except for her ult she cant provide any other peel. i think its okay. You can still walk into the Q earlier to not get slowed and get only reduced dmg.
: a feels bad feeling
Fëalnort (EUW)
: Pool : Lux's spells visual revamp for better hitbox representation.
Abd when we are on it: They really should care with skins and their spells as well. I just laned dark star karma and there was NO clear indication when she uses her ult. Normaly you hear her Mantra all over the lane, not in dark star Karma skin.
: lux and sylas? eww
Yeh. the %%%%beard should just remain locked in that stupid tower XD
Fëalnort (EUW)
: Pool : Lux's spells visual revamp for better hitbox representation.
I think it would reduce the hate Lux gets so i agree. Maybe they could really throw two rings of light similar to ezreal e that remain on the targets hit
: Unpaid riot fanboys vs. reality
Still think the Tribunal is the better solution cause they actually play the game and know the environment.
Timik (NA)
: The game that made me quit LoL
Well with Mundo its not about penetrating his armor. His healthbar is the problem. So as vayne you should go like: {{item:3153}} {{item:3033}} then atackspeed and more lifesteal.
Lapis (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=kaijukitten,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eEsnGp0Z,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-07-10T09:29:18.931+0000) > > She needs some hella nerfs to her q, either scale down the dmg, nerf the range, or shorten or remove the slow. She's one of the safest supports with massive poke, it should be one or the other. > > Not sure the nerfs mentioned are actually gonna address what makes her so unfun to lane against but it's a step in the right direction. I agree she needs some nerfs to her Q. Which is why I'm baffled that they're nerfing her passive
> [{quoted}](name=Lapis,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eEsnGp0Z,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2019-07-10T10:01:56.425+0000) > > I agree she needs some nerfs to her Q. Which is why I'm baffled that they're nerfing her passive well her Q is the only thing she is good for in lane. If its on CD its on CD. Other champs have a hell of stronger poke. Lulu, Brand, Zyra (especially a good zyra can spawn a plant to stop the Q just a hint), Lux. And Yuumi and her carry are pretty bad against a real all in.
: To Players Averaging 10+ deaths in 20-30 Min Matches...
Hell yes. When I started getting two digit deaths was like the greatest taboo. and nowadays? mid, Jungle, Top all going like 0/8 in 15 minutes. Dafuk is wrong with these people? I tried to play Veigar mid. in 10 minutes everyone was lurking on my lane, taking the farm and I begged them to leave and let me scale. But noooo they needed to fight, fight, fight and feed the enemy team high enough to survive my burst. What the hell?
Lapis (OCE)
: Bop and Block nerfs, this is how you get AFK Yuumis
You guys raging against Yuumi just dont know one bit how to play her. She needs to piss off the enemy with her Q, then she goes of and makes her AA+Aery. And if the enemy ignores her, she does another AA and another until the enemy goes for her, then you go back in. and let your Q and adc kill the fools.
JackMcCarry (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Kirika,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ApqaTXpp,comment-id=0006000100000000,timestamp=2019-07-10T08:38:34.404+0000) > > I never said he should not buy voidstaff. Of course he should when facing major MR on enemies. Just crying because you dont buy QSS against him is dumb. And somone just said its unfair to have a champ that forces to build an Item. I just pointed out this champ already aexists for ages. I didnt cry about having to buy QSS against him? Im pointing out the hypocracy of morde players on the boards screaming at everyone to buy an item to counter their ult, yet when their free magic pen is nerfed they say how he's now gutted and how MR will counter him, when they can just as easily buy void staff like every other AP user who faces MR stackers. That's besides the fact that not every champ can buy QSS, but morde can always buy void staff.
> [{quoted}](name=JackMcCarry,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ApqaTXpp,comment-id=00060001000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-10T08:54:09.200+0000) > > I didnt cry about having to buy QSS against him? > > Im pointing out the hypocracy of morde players on the boards screaming at everyone to buy an item to counter their ult, yet when their free magic pen is nerfed they say how he's now gutted and how MR will counter him, when they can just as easily buy void staff like every other AP user who faces MR stackers. > > That's besides the fact that not every champ can buy QSS, but morde can always buy void staff. You are wrong multiple times here. First: you wrote: 2Isnt it ironic all you morde players shout "JUST BUY QSS JUST BUY QSS" in every thread questioning morde's power, yet when you need to buy an item to counter others it's too far?" Thats pretty much crying. You even wrote in capitals my friend. Second: it is just not true that not everyone can buy QSS. They can. Its 1300 gold and lying on a usable slot the rest of the game untill you reach fullbuild. Where is the harm? and if its not morde ult you can cleanse other stuff AND you got some MR wich helps too. No problem. 3: Mordecaiser is a Juggernaut. Riot wants him to build tanky, thats why he gets the free Magic penetration. Like Darius. Just with Darius they dont nerf it, why? I dont know.
JackMcCarry (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Kirika,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ApqaTXpp,comment-id=00060001,timestamp=2019-07-10T07:48:07.634+0000) > > I dotn think so. Isnt it the same with zed? every stupid Zed main says "buy zhonyas" Well now zed mains can buy QSS to get out of Mordeult or be squashed. fiar is fair. Okay. So if you're against Zed buy Zhonyas. If you're against morde buy QSS. If you're against MR stackers buy Void staff. Or is morde an exception who doesnt need to invest gold into countering people itemizing against him?
> [{quoted}](name=JackMcCarry,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ApqaTXpp,comment-id=000600010000,timestamp=2019-07-10T07:51:40.654+0000) > > Okay. > So if you're against Zed buy Zhonyas. > If you're against morde buy QSS. > If you're against MR stackers buy Void staff. > > Or is morde an exception who doesnt need to invest gold into countering people itemizing against him? I never said he should not buy voidstaff. Of course he should when facing major MR on enemies. Just crying because you dont buy QSS against him is dumb. And somone just said its unfair to have a champ that forces to build an Item. I just pointed out this champ already aexists for ages.
vyoda (NA)
: {{champion:350}} — my Yuumi afk attaches all game, making lane phase a virtual 1v2 (1v3 even, since she’s absorbing exp); enemy Yuumi pokes proactively with Q and AA’s. :/ Maybe I just haven’t come across someone who’s willing to play her well yet
> [{quoted}](name=vyoda,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ghnaJrHP,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-10T07:48:19.282+0000) > > {{champion:350}} — my Yuumi afk attaches all game, making lane phase a virtual 1v2 (1v3 even, since she’s absorbing exp); enemy Yuumi pokes proactively with Q and AA’s. > > :/ Maybe I just haven’t come across someone who’s willing to play her well yet I play Yuumi often and think she is agreat supporter. i usually go like 3/5/22 or something
JackMcCarry (EUNE)
: If you have problem with enemies with MR, buy void staff like every other champ who needs to cut through MR. Isnt it ironic all you morde players shout "JUST BUY QSS JUST BUY QSS" in every thread questioning morde's power, yet when you need to buy an item to counter others it's too far? Also, he's out for 2 patches, he was already hotfix nerfed and still remained at 53%-52% WR with the highest pickrate in toplane on a newly released champ.
> [{quoted}](name=JackMcCarry,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ApqaTXpp,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-07-10T07:28:31.089+0000) > > If you have problem with enemies with MR, buy void staff like every other champ who needs to cut through MR. > > Isnt it ironic all you morde players shout "JUST BUY QSS JUST BUY QSS" in every thread questioning morde's power, yet when you need to buy an item to counter others it's too far? > > Also, he's out for 2 patches, he was already hotfix nerfed and still remained at 53%-52% WR with the highest pickrate in toplane on a newly released champ. I dotn think so. Isnt it the same with zed? every stupid Zed main says "buy zhonyas" Well now zed mains can buy QSS to get out of Mordeult or be squashed. fiar is fair.
LTK KoRo (EUW)
: > R.I.P {{champion:40}} {{champion:117}} Its just hilarious how much Riot hates his supports (except {{champion:555}} ) imagine being so delusional that you can say it with a straight face, pyke got much more severe nerfs in his short lifespan than any enchanter support, but whatever, TWO CHAMPIONS being able to counter shields is suddenly a end of the game`
> [{quoted}](name=LTK KoRo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KgyviZTm,comment-id=00030002,timestamp=2019-07-09T19:17:26.152+0000) > > imagine being so delusional that you can say it with a straight face, pyke got much more severe nerfs in his short lifespan than any enchanter support, but whatever, TWO CHAMPIONS being able to counter shields is suddenly a end of the game` Pyke...nerfs? They just removed his waveclear to make clear: He is a support not a toplaner. But in fucking return they make his invisible escape even faster and buff the shit out of that already insane ultimate of his. nerfs my ass.
: > [{quoted}](name=kaijukitten,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KgyviZTm,comment-id=000200010001,timestamp=2019-07-10T00:34:04.287+0000) > > They're already hard nerfing Kench tho, so if that's the case, severely unneeded. Didn't Nerf his eat Big Gulp op #BenchTheKench
> [{quoted}](name=CaptainAntiHeroz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KgyviZTm,comment-id=0002000100010000,timestamp=2019-07-10T01:28:31.744+0000) > > Didn't Nerf his eat > > Big Gulp op #BenchTheKench the eat in itself does not need the nerf. The hard nerf is: if you stun someone with the tongue you remove all stacks from the target. So no permastun+eat. Either stun OR eat. and you dont get stunned right after beeing eaten just to get stunned again (Ty 40%CDR)
Kelg (NA)
: Morde nerfs are too much
Its jsut because all the idiots are crying about him, refusing to build QSS.
: Qiyana, An assassin with a stun...
Assassins should have a stun! But a single target one. Let me explain. I dont just play LoL but Dota aswell. In LoL playing against Assassins has a high frustration factor cause they burst you in like one sec and got too much escapes. In Dota its different. In Dota Assassins actually have ONE stun or something similar to lock down a SINGLE target. They got one gapcloser/Escape (they need to think which they choose, either close the gap OR get to safety.). That way an Assassin can easily kill a single ADC for example but as soon as there is someone else to protect the adc it needs a lot of feed or clever play for an Assassin to take both or even the desired target. This way playing against assassins is enjoyable because sometimes you can lock them down and save your carry + kill the atacker. Its satisfying.
: The sensitivity....
Why did you use the chat in the first place? Its where you get roasted. {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
: It is only 5 seconds which amounts to nothing when you encounter any form of CC
> [{quoted}](name=JotaroAlbane,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nsOlhegY,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-07-08T22:27:25.237+0000) > > It is only 5 seconds which amounts to nothing when you encounter any form of CC merc treads + tenacity rune. CC lasts at most 3 seconds. with these two minus 60%. How much cc did you want a team to have thrown at him so he doesnt just faceroll toplane down to the inhib?
Barkley (NA)
: Why Yuumi is a bad champion
She is fun to play. You can annoy people, listen to a purring cat, watch the map and coordinate the whole team cause you got the time to do so. she is really awesome <3
: kaisa runes/build
My build is in your other post. For runes I go with Hail of blades to stack the passive fast (especially usefull with Rageblade that needs to stack up first) a,d I take defenetly ravenous hunter for more lifesteal on Q (I often get people asking me how the fuck i can heal from 10% to halflife in a fight). I personally go for the precision tree second. More dmg when i am low on health (normal state in a TF) and tenacity. I hate beeing cced too long^^
: kaisa build
I actually build her completely different. {{item:3146}} for anasty early all in with w + r + Active + Q (kills almost every squishy instantly). Then I go for {{item:3006}} {{item:3133}} {{item:3124}} by that time you should almost have every skill evolved. then I build the hammer into {{item:3813}} for the insane Q healing that keeps one alive in TF. After that I mostly go for situationals. {{item:3153}} {{item:3031}} {{item:3156}} {{item:3139}} {{item:3085}} {{item:3026}}
: Let's discuss Ashe W Spam with 40% CDR (Trinity Force build)
yep 0 chance to poke, or trade. you will loose. Always. If she has a poke support you eat more dmg than her, with shield the same and with heal she has more hp after a skirmish aswell. So ye..it leaves no window open. + she can start with 10% cdr and scaling with level another 10% for free
: > [{quoted}](name=Kirika,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KgyviZTm,comment-id=00040001,timestamp=2019-07-09T13:34:37.691+0000) > > Gets nerfed next patch....hard so being buffed is being nerfed now? you know flat damage reduction alongside percent damage reduction are better tank stats then just armor and magic resist? the upcoming changes means leona is effectively immune to damage over time effects. and because its flat damage reduction it can't be cut through by shred and armor pen. overall she'll actually feel tankier now. this also means things like minion chip damage will be severely reduced. allowing leona to be far more aggressive and more braindead then she already is.
> [{quoted}](name=On My Kill List,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KgyviZTm,comment-id=000400010000,timestamp=2019-07-09T16:15:21.073+0000) > > so being buffed is being nerfed now? > you know flat damage reduction alongside percent damage reduction are better tank stats then just armor and magic resist? > the upcoming changes means leona is effectively immune to damage over time effects. > and because its flat damage reduction it can't be cut through by shred and armor pen. > overall she'll actually feel tankier now. > this also means things like minion chip damage will be severely reduced. > allowing leona to be far more aggressive and more braindead then she already is. You know what PRE-Mitigation means right? It means before armor is applied. so she loses a LOT of tankines towards enemy laners with her w. Then the Stun duration is down and her ultimate no longer gives her enhanced AAs. What a BUFF O.O OMG wish they'd Buff Yasuo like that. pls inform yourself before you talk.
: > [{quoted}](name=Kirika,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KgyviZTm,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-07-09T11:00:38.725+0000) > > R.I.P {{champion:40}} {{champion:117}} Its just hilarious how much Riot hates his supports (except {{champion:555}} ) sona gets nerfed, leona gets nerfed to the ground and all shield supports wether its just for defense or for further strengthening a carry get nerfed indirectly. Again by the way. lulu is fine, you can take her into other lanes thanks to her mobility, sustained damage, and cc
> [{quoted}](name=Hammermancer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KgyviZTm,comment-id=00030001,timestamp=2019-07-09T14:43:16.922+0000) > > lulu is fine, you can take her into other lanes thanks to her mobility, sustained damage, and cc True but That will lead to more frustration top and mid because people dont like laning versus Lulu+I dont think riot really wants her on another lane XD
WiFilter (OCE)
: cant wait for the janna and lux mains to cry more. #babyrage
> [{quoted}](name=WiFilter,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KgyviZTm,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-07-09T14:38:22.275+0000) > > cant wait for the janna and lux mains to cry more. > #babyrage Lux main here and I dont care. No need for a shield to blast your ass to the moon!
: Okay. So what solution do you have to it then?
> [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zEjnEE2B,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-09T14:24:01.222+0000) > > Okay. So what solution do you have to it then? Well to behonest? I for one dont mind longer wait time to get a team where everyone play the role he wants instead of ruining the whole game for everyone because he cant or simply doesnt want his role. Remove Autofill and make people wait longer. Easy. And if it takes toolong for some maybe they actually care to learn another role to get in faster.
: > [{quoted}](name=CaptainAntiHeroz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KgyviZTm,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-07-09T13:25:04.073+0000) > > We need a hashinshin loop of "buff leona " maybe riot will listen shes honestly so bad. I have no idea how she hasnt gotten buffed, or put on the rework list. Its pretty simple to make her usable. Increase Zenith Blades missle speed by a small amount. Slap unstopable onto Zenith Blade. Rework her ultimate from a stun into a residual slow field(Like Anivas ult). Except instead of a glacial area, itd be a solar beam crashing down, dealing damage and slowing. Same use as anivias ult, just slap a fixed duration on it and a longer CD. there you go, Leona is playable.
> [{quoted}](name=PhearBunny,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KgyviZTm,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2019-07-09T14:09:08.803+0000) > > shes honestly so bad. I have no idea how she hasnt gotten buffed, or put on the rework list. > Its pretty simple to make her usable. > Increase Zenith Blades missle speed by a small amount. > Slap unstopable onto Zenith Blade. > Rework her ultimate from a stun into a residual slow field(Like Anivas ult). > Except instead of a glacial area, itd be a solar beam crashing down, dealing damage and slowing. > Same use as anivias ult, just slap a fixed duration on it and a longer CD. > > there you go, Leona is playable. Instead riot thinks its cool to take away her amor and Mres (partially) on her w and add PRE-mitigation flat dmg reduction fromm 8 to 24..... Oh nad the enhanced autos after her Ult will go too and...the shield cooldown goes down (yay) so it can have even less CC time. 0.75, thats like nothing at all with merc treads...
Rioter Comments
: Meanwhile Leona: Still - the useless, easy to play, autofilled support pick.
> [{quoted}](name=PhearBunny,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KgyviZTm,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-07-09T12:44:13.323+0000) > > Meanwhile Leona: Still - the useless, easy to play, autofilled support pick. Gets nerfed next patch....hard
Antenora (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Kirika,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KgyviZTm,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-07-09T11:00:38.725+0000) > > R.I.P {{champion:40}} {{champion:117}} Its just hilarious how much Riot hates his supports (except {{champion:555}} ) sona gets nerfed, leona gets nerfed to the ground and all shield supports wether its just for defense or for further strengthening a carry get nerfed indirectly. Again by the way. Shielding needed counterplay.
> [{quoted}](name=Antenora,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KgyviZTm,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-07-09T11:40:46.647+0000) > > Shielding needed counterplay. For real? The shields fade, are weaker and most of them arent even big enough to block afull autoatack. What the fuck are you taling about???
: Blitz breaking shields in 1.14
R.I.P {{champion:40}} {{champion:117}} Its just hilarious how much Riot hates his supports (except {{champion:555}} ) sona gets nerfed, leona gets nerfed to the ground and all shield supports wether its just for defense or for further strengthening a carry get nerfed indirectly. Again by the way.
: Because you can stack Crit Items too much. You get comparable damage from going 3-4 Crit items, and on top you get a lot of nifty bonuses like Energize proc, PD shield, ER mana sustain, Hurricane AoE... I wonder what would happen if Riot hard-capped Crit Items to a maximum of 2 per champion.
> [{quoted}](name=ProfDrDeath,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MAgU5oOj,comment-id=0032,timestamp=2019-07-09T06:02:09.534+0000) > > Because you can stack Crit Items too much. You get comparable damage from going 3-4 Crit items, and on top you get a lot of nifty bonuses like Energize proc, PD shield, ER mana sustain, Hurricane AoE... > > I wonder what would happen if Riot hard-capped Crit Items to a maximum of 2 per champion. I tell you waht would happen. {{champion:157}} {{champion:23}} would be laughing so hard into your face
: With damage at an all-time high, armour does literally nothing in the game. This game has been in a Damage meta for a long time now, if you aren't building damage then you are costing your team. I've been preaching this for a long time, The incredibly high damage in the game needs to be addressed before anything about the game can even be considered for balancing.
> [{quoted}](name=Packun Flower,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MAgU5oOj,comment-id=002f,timestamp=2019-07-09T03:20:00.739+0000) > > With damage at an all-time high, armour does literally nothing in the game. This game has been in a Damage meta for a long time now, if you aren't building damage then you are costing your team. > > I've been preaching this for a long time, The incredibly high damage in the game needs to be addressed before anything about the game can even be considered for balancing. But...but..but ESports, proplay, Streams $_$ must be faster, spectacular! (rito minds)
PB4UAME (NA)
: the only tank META League has ever seen was in season 5 before the Juggernaut Patch (5.21). Season 3 was an Assassin META, that was nicknames "League of Cleaver" due to how many people purchased The Black Cleaver, and how at the start of the season it didn't have a unique passive, and Zeds and Talons literally built 4-5 of them and boots as their only items.
> [{quoted}](name=PB4UAME,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MAgU5oOj,comment-id=000500010000,timestamp=2019-07-09T00:40:14.028+0000) > > the only tank META League has ever seen was in season 5 before the Juggernaut Patch (5.21). > > Season 3 was an Assassin META, that was nicknames "League of Cleaver" due to how many people purchased The Black Cleaver, and how at the start of the season it didn't have a unique passive, and Zeds and Talons literally built 4-5 of them and boots as their only items. Thanks. As I said I dont remember clearly anymore. I just know I abused Leona a lot. Was fun matches though
: I still have Vietnam flashbacks where the enemy mages who have voidstaff get VASTLY out damaged by the adc despite me having {{item:3047}} {{item:3143}} {{item:3110}} and only {{item:3065}} as my mr item. While the mages had {{item:3135}} And the adc ({{champion:18}}) didn't have lord dominiks...not even full crit yet.. (all of her damage still came from basic attacking) No, im not joking....I know mages arnt supposed to do a lot to tanks but this is best case scenario for them to hurt me more than the adc and it disgusts me that none of these factors matter. And the lack of adcs needing to build armor penetration has been a thing for 2 seasons ATLEAST.
> [{quoted}](name=Tahminatrix ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MAgU5oOj,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-07-08T16:19:19.659+0000) > > I still have Vietnam flashbacks where the enemy mages who have voidstaff get VASTLY out damaged by the adc despite me having {{item:3047}} {{item:3143}} {{item:3110}} and only {{item:3065}} as my mr item. > > While the mages had {{item:3135}} > > And the adc ({{champion:18}}) didn't have lord dominiks...not even full crit yet.. (all of her damage still came from basic attacking) > > > > No, im not joking....I know mages arnt supposed to do a lot to tanks but this is best case scenario for them to hurt me more than the adc and it disgusts me that none of these factors matter. > > > > > And the lack of adcs needing to build armor penetration has been a thing for 2 seasons ATLEAST. Riot has nightmares of strong tanks. There was one season where tanks wher like unkillable. (3 I think) Where you could just walk with Leona from enemy base to your own while beeing hit and follwed, CCed and slowed by the full enemy team. I think they are afraid of something like that happening again if they buff tanks even in the slightest. (miss you {{item:4401}}
Soulave (NA)
: is renekton really going to make it out of pbe like this?
: I'm confused, because you just agreed with me while sounding like you were disagreeing with me.
> [{quoted}](name=SuperLuigiLXIV,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eln0xjkE,comment-id=000700000000,timestamp=2019-07-08T20:11:17.138+0000) > > I'm confused, because you just agreed with me while sounding like you were disagreeing with me. Well you got me thinking with what you said. I think I agree with you and wanted to add the Lifesteal problem. And now I am thinking that Sona doesnt deserve her hard nerf T.T meh boeard make me miserable
: The cynical side of me would like to point out that Riot shits on tanks because any time they're in a good place, the game's too balanced and Riot actually hates balance, since it hurts LCS viewership. They'd rather have pointless flashiness, which is why the meta's gone to hell in a handbasket. The optimistic side of me says that tanks don't get a high-impact item because what they build has to change per game. AD assasins will always want Duskblade, regardless of their situation. ADCs will always want IE regardless. And so on. With a tank, if you're against a four autoattacker comp, Thornmail is your high-impact moment. If you're against Teemo top and Malzahar mid, Adaptive Helm is your high-impact item. Yasuo mid and Trist bot? Randuin's. High burst mixed damage comp? Gargoyle's. Can't siege the enemy team down because of waveclear? ZZ'Rot. And so on, and so on, etc etc etc.
> [{quoted}](name=SuperLuigiLXIV,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eln0xjkE,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-07-08T19:22:51.824+0000) > > The cynical side of me would like to point out that Riot shits on tanks because any time they're in a good place, the game's too balanced and Riot actually hates balance, since it hurts LCS viewership. They'd rather have pointless flashiness, which is why the meta's gone to hell in a handbasket. > > The optimistic side of me says that tanks don't get a high-impact item because what they build has to change per game. AD assasins will always want Duskblade, regardless of their situation. ADCs will always want IE regardless. And so on. With a tank, if you're against a four autoattacker comp, Thornmail is your high-impact moment. If you're against Teemo top and Malzahar mid, Adaptive Helm is your high-impact item. Yasuo mid and Trist bot? Randuin's. High burst mixed damage comp? Gargoyle's. Can't siege the enemy team down because of waveclear? ZZ'Rot. And so on, and so on, etc etc etc. Sorry but Tanks in general are shit atm. I mean I dont want to go back to Season 3 or when it was. (well maybe I want) Where a tank could go from Base to Base slowed and continously atacked by the whole enemy team. BUt at the moment its a dmg festival and event Tenks just melt down thanks to lots of penetration and uncounterable amounts of enemy lifesteal (Some characters just heal agsint grieveious wounds..)
: > [{quoted}](name=Kirika,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oOHEeRP2,comment-id=00130000,timestamp=2019-07-08T19:39:05.784+0000) > > Kited hard with a spin on 3.5s cooldown? When did you last play against him? Season 2 where people could actually build armor against him? Tryndamere shouldn't be surviving more than 3.5 seconds pre ult in a teamfight environment. Other champions have mobility, CC options, and the option to juke his slow a % of the time, and if they can't, they shouldn't be getting caught out of safe pockets against tryndamere in the first place. Not to mention, Tryndamere doesn't exactly stack check everyone, he's on the slightly weaker side of laners in most matchups and some champions with more mobility than him, renekton and riven have trades he can't reciprocate with and others can stat check him and do his job, as a splitter better but with more utility and better scaling. Champions like irelia, Jax and ekko Not to mention, his spin is quite slow, and if he wants to cancel the animation to make it instant, he has to use flash to do so and that reduces his range. The higher you go up the ladder, the quicker and more precisely you can click, the less sticky tryndamere is going to look.
> [{quoted}](name=1 516 735 3508,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oOHEeRP2,comment-id=001300000000,timestamp=2019-07-08T19:43:01.726+0000) > > Tryndamere shouldn't be surviving more than 3.5 seconds pre ult in a teamfight environment. Other champions have mobility, CC options, and the option to juke his slow a % of the time, and if they can't, they shouldn't be getting caught out of safe pockets against tryndamere in the first place. > > Not to mention, Tryndamere doesn't exactly stack check everyone, he's on the slightly weaker side of laners in most matchups and some champions with more mobility than him, renekton and riven have trades he can't reciprocate with and others can stat check him and do his job, as a splitter better but with more utility and better scaling. Champions like irelia, Jax and ekko > > Not to mention, his spin is quite slow, and if he wants to cancel the animation to make it instant, he has to use flash to do so and that reduces his range. > > The higher you go up the ladder, the quicker and more precisely you can click, the less sticky tryndamere is going to look. But I am not up the ladder and I wont get up the ladder. I am not a young chicken my reflexes will probably just get slower. i get Tryndamere in every second match and he just crushes tree people in a TF because the toplane thought its okay to go 0/8. Since he goes for the precision tree )conqueror or the atackspeed thingy) he gets reduced cc time (30%+boots maybe) so keeping him CCed until his ult wears off is kind of an audacious task. And if a team really manages he can still just pick up a mercurial.
: > Now that it's become very easy to beat tanks in arms races Tryndamere Cannot Beat Any Tanks in the game After 2 Armor Items . specially if they have ability to deal damage like {{champion:75}} {{champion:36}} {{champion:78}} {{champion:54}} Too . > If Trynd didn't have access to **easy **40% CDR EASY ? 40% = {{item:3508}} {{item:3078}} That is literally 7k Gold . What Defines Hard in ur mind ? This thread is so pointless man. u guys have no clue about how game works
> [{quoted}](name=jng dif victim,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oOHEeRP2,comment-id=00280000,timestamp=2019-07-08T05:05:50.456+0000) > > Tryndamere Cannot Beat Any Tanks in the game After 2 Armor Items . specially if they have ability to deal damage like {{champion:75}} {{champion:36}} {{champion:78}} {{champion:54}} Too . > > EASY ? > 40% = {{item:3508}} {{item:3078}} > That is literally 7k Gold . What Defines Hard in ur mind ? > > > This thread is so pointless man. u guys have no clue about how game works Tankitems are worthless against him. i rushed a bramble and wardens mail to slow his atacks and get less dmg, Ninjatabi but it die not help cause of glorious truedmg on every autoatack.
: > [{quoted}](name=Mc Raton,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oOHEeRP2,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-07-07T00:42:53.675+0000) > > Gotta love to face a Tryndamere only to get splitpushed all game and if you dare to oppose him he press R because nothing can stop him from pressing R anyway.. oh also the new meta build is the 40% cdr type so he have ult every single time...{{champion:23}} {{item:3508}} {{item:3031}} {{item:3077}} {{item:3078}} ... Rework this fucking braindead champion already. People can say whatever of him, that he is only good in soloQ etc, he still remain frustrating and mostly ridiculously easy to play as. Actually, tryndamere is weak right now because almost every champion lanes favorably against him and has a better kit than he does. You also aren't obligated to fight a "braindead" tryndamere who doesn't have good spacing, dash dancing or input buffering. If a tryndamere has bad damage foresight, he's not going to recognize lethal or be able to take good trades. Tryndamere has to probe for crits and fury, if he isn't allowed to prepare that, he can't trade. Tryndamere has to build damage, and is very inflexible. Tryndamere needs very expensive items. Many champions can outsplit tryndamere. Tryndamere gets kited hard. Tryndamere's W is unreliable vs skilled players. Tryndamere has a very weak 2v2 in a 2v2 lane.
> [{quoted}](name=1 516 735 3508,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oOHEeRP2,comment-id=0013,timestamp=2019-07-07T14:21:44.961+0000) > > Actually, tryndamere is weak right now because almost every champion lanes favorably against him and has a better kit than he does. > > You also aren't obligated to fight a "braindead" tryndamere who doesn't have good spacing, dash dancing or input buffering. > > If a tryndamere has bad damage foresight, he's not going to recognize lethal or be able to take good trades. > > Tryndamere has to probe for crits and fury, if he isn't allowed to prepare that, he can't trade. > > Tryndamere has to build damage, and is very inflexible. > > Tryndamere needs very expensive items. > > Many champions can outsplit tryndamere. > > Tryndamere gets kited hard. > > Tryndamere's W is unreliable vs skilled players. > > Tryndamere has a very weak 2v2 in a 2v2 lane. Kited hard with a spin on 3.5s cooldown? When did you last play against him? Season 2 where people could actually build armor against him? And his W is not unreliable. It ALWAYS reduces enem AD.
: Why are tanks the only role without a high impact item?
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He gets buffed on PBE. Tons of Basedmg on his skills-
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