Nea104 (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=LTK KoRo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1nQ5fh7u,comment-id=000600010000,timestamp=2019-10-21T18:30:35.721+0000) > > it's hilarious how you think support is braindead because it stopped being about SHIELDING AND HEALING, that's really ironic So you consider a game of moves and **counter-moves** a braindead system, and a mindless spam & burst based one a good one. Got it. No wonder this game is now for people like you ;)
if you seriously think that old lulu/janna with permament shield uptime were doing any "counter-moves" then i have bad news for you
: I think Braum is in a good spot right now, balancing between being good versus AP/healers, ranged comps, and against some tanks. Tbh, they should do something to move away from tank supports; they seem overwhelmingly superior to other options.
anytime when non-tank support is decent (read: mage supps) ADCs tend to whine so hard that sky falls. tank supps are the most healthy supps in the game, if we consider their competition are enchanter (pure toxic class for brain damaged people) and mage supps (whatever)
Nea104 (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=lane insurance,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1nQ5fh7u,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-10-21T12:15:31.655+0000) > > As someone who secondary mains Braum, he’s a very good soft counter to hook supports which are meta as fuck right now and I think he has room for minor buffs such as base resistance or small ability buffs. People saying Braum is cancer when he’s mostly disengage are apparently fine with a spell thief brand solo carrying bot lane lol True. This is because this great company totally destroyed the support role, especially for true tanks: _"hey let assassins and other burst roles (basically everyone in the game) one-shot the ADC going 1 vs 2 against their support too; just let's make supports another brai--ead role, but not actually someone who **SUPPORTS** his team, like protecting / saving / shielding / healing"_
it's hilarious how you think support is braindead because it stopped being about SHIELDING AND HEALING, that's really ironic
: I have nothing to work towards
but you know league is designed as a game where the only progression should be your own skills? League takes it as "improving is fun", and considering how big league is, i'd say the system works. Also btw, if you're a f2p player in f2p game, you're a a part of the content
: Because mages arent allowed to get qol changes.
that's why in 5-6 patches ago ori got a shield range indicator, yes?
: The reason a slower meta will always be better for viewership over a fast meta
counterpoint: in slow meta's we can skip like first 15 minutes of the game since they matter so low that pros don't attempt to do much since it's not worth it. I'd rather see 30 minutes game which is exciting all the time, rather than 50 minute game which is exciting only for last 20-30 minutes
: > [{quoted}](name=mack9112,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9X4omvJc,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2019-10-02T03:39:14.994+0000) > > I don’t understand how there can be a ‘ fast ‘ meta or a ‘ slow ‘ meta. Go watch the seasons 1-4 championship games.
: This is why I can't take complaint threads seriously anymore. The amount of people complaining about things as if the sky is falling when I remember patches and changes that could completely flip the entire meta and they're complaining about small number buffs. Freaking kids today, get off my lawn.
boarders are kinda dumb and they make whining thread about everything. If you want accurate balance discussions, try reddit, either r/lol or r/championmains
: It's really simple actually. There's no discussion around it because hardly anyone actually knows how to properly do those things. Everyone _talks_ about strategy and skill expression without knowing what those things actually mean. And since so few knowledgeable people even come to the boards, we never get real discussions.
because boards users think that strategy is clearing waves with anivia near inhib turrets, or doing malph+ori style combo and acting like it was a big outplay
: Mages are not allowed to be good or even playable in a melee assassin meta. Mages are supposed to be free gold for the melee assassins otherwise something is wrong and needs fixing.
melee assassin meta xd, nice joke buddy. There are two good assassins right now, Akali and LeBlanc.
: > [{quoted}](name=LTK KoRo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mvoHZhVz,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-09-21T14:00:38.967+0000) > > boards is a circle of "tanks bad pls buff" and "tanks op can't kill them". Next year we'll probably see the second complaint I think it's more of armor being completely and utterly useless, while MR makes mages useless as fuck
armor isn't useless by any means, and mages can ignore any amounts of MR due to void staff
: Why is my jungler camping bot and enemy jungle camping top?
because your jungler is aware that better bot ALWAYS wins, so he tries to secure his only win condition?
: Boards is also part of the "tanks bad pls buff" orgy party
boards is a circle of "tanks bad pls buff" and "tanks op can't kill them". Next year we'll probably see the second complaint
Saezio (EUNE)
: Yeah, I never said the boards were always right. All I said was that Riot do what they think is correct, and not what objectively is. And you started ranting for some reason.
i hate way how most of boards community act so im sometimes ranting. sorry.
DalekZec (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=LTK KoRo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yUpNWjlk,comment-id=000000040000,timestamp=2019-09-21T09:51:15.444+0000) > > did you make a worldwide survey about that? if not, you're talking about your and maybe your friends opinion only Yeah in basic common sense, WE ALL LOVE GETTING ONE SHOT WITH NO COUNTERPLAY. I forgot it's our fetish!
yeah that's literally your opinion first: "WE ALL LOVE GETTING ONE SHOT WITH NO COUNTERPLAY." this is literally false. Nearly every champion have some kind of counterplay, and if you find yourself dead all the time, it means you're just worse player than your opposition second: you don't know what are people opinions about slower and faster metas. Right now we're in pretty fast meta, and i enjoy it much more than 40-70 minutes snoozefests where better adc won. So in your logic, i don't exist, because hurr durr common sense
DalekZec (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Wilk Rycerz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yUpNWjlk,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-20T17:32:55.385+0000) > > Likewise, if you are not enjoying the game, just stop playing. > > If nothing has changed, then that's a very good indicator that your opinions were not shared by any the League player base at large. > > You (not you specifically OP) do not have to always like the same game. Your tastes and wants will develop over time, and it could very well be that what you want is not what the majority does. And that's perfectly fine. > > What that doesn't mean is that Riot has to cave to your desires to make it how *you* want it. > > They will make the game towards what gives the most amount of players the most enjoyment. "They will make the game towards what gives the most amount of players the most enjoyment." I'm sorry, but none of us asked for a one shot clown fiesta, too strong snowballing, 2 second teamfights, toxic overloaded champions, lack of champ diversity where we feel like there are only 30 champs rather than 140+, near impossible to reach late game with a full builds, and other nonsense riot added that makes this game miserable. Please don't be naive on this one. Riot adds what they think is a good idea even if 100% of us say it's a bad idea, from iron to challenger and even pro players. None of us (Or most at least) want the game to favour us for the most part. What we want is a fair gameplay, with actual counterplay and a good thrill of a fight. Not one shots that you literally can't react fast enough. Only assassin mains enjoy that with flashy movements that makes them feel like they are Faker wannabes.
> I'm sorry, but none of us asked for a one shot clown fiesta, too strong snowballing, 2 second teamfights, toxic overloaded champions, lack of champ diversity where we feel like there are only 30 champs rather than 140+, near impossible to reach late game with a full builds, and other nonsense riot added that makes this game miserable. did you make a worldwide survey about that? if not, you're talking about your and maybe your friends opinion only
Saezio (EUNE)
: So? Does that make them incapable of error? Then why have we had reverts?
because they're capable of making error, but it doesn't mean everything which small boards community doesn't like is an error you guys keep whining like you have ultimate knowledge of what entire playerbase likes, but the truth is, there are like max. 200 people on these boards, and not every one even agrees with opinions like this thread
: As a Jungler what do you expect from laners?
i expect nothing from them tbh, not because "hurr durr laners BAD", just because with every lane position something can be done. Junglers aren't primary carries right now, so instead of laners playing around you, you need to play around laners positioning Laner is hard pushing? Try to set up a dive, wait for countergank, set up a lane gank, or go for some counterjungling Laner is getting pushed? We can try to do a normal gank. Laner is in the middle on the lane? Normal gank, or try to get vision control in river/near enemy jungle entrances. Obviously you're going to have some bad eggs who will push 24/7 without vision and complain about not getting any ganks, but i guarantee you, no matter how would you play around these, they would still whine. As a jungler, you cannot help all the laners anyway (unless a miracle happened and you're strongest player in the game)
GigglesO (NA)
: Stage a Protest?
yeah great idea, im sure with this movement Yasuo and Pyke banrates will rise by 0.0003%
: > [{quoted}](name=Posui Gart,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fAZp0czf,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-09-13T09:22:48.977+0000) > > {{champion:32}} is fine. If your team has some heavy AP damage, he is quite strong > {{champion:36}} jungle is rare, but when I see him, he is strong somewhy > {{champion:79}} is still fine if you are good on him > {{champion:33}} still does fine against ad heavy comps. Conqueror alone is not enough to handle him > {{champion:113}} is still picked by pros > {{champion:154}} , I still think his E is op, even if he is almost never picked > > Also, powerfarming jungle should never be rewarding. There should not be a world in which ganking is less rewarding than farming All of those champions (like almost every tank in the game) are performing poorly in solo queue.
because tanks, one of the most team-reliant classes in the game, aren't supposed to perform well in solo queue?
: Gold needs to be removed from all 30 plates.
...what would be the point of plates then?
: Wait, how are the turrets top more tanky when turrets gain defenses based on how many opponents are near them? Do bot turrets still not have the pre 5 min resistances?
yes, bot turret still doesn't have fortification passive. That's good, since plates by itself dont prevent laneswaps
: > [{quoted}](name=LTK KoRo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=99ds253A,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-09-06T17:07:20.735+0000) > > "Again, stop buffing Lee Sin everytime before Worlds" > > s7 worlds: lee picked very rarely, no bans > s8 worlds: lee picked sometimes, nearly no bans, not a priority picks > > boards: DAE LEE SIN OVERPOWERED, STOP BUFFING HIM HE HAVE 200% PICKRATE DURING WORLDS REEEEEEE HE;s still Op
he's still op because he have big pickrate and <50% winrate everywhere other than masters? sounds like really op champ man
: Again, stop buffing Lee Sin everytime before Worlds
"Again, stop buffing Lee Sin everytime before Worlds" s7 worlds: lee picked very rarely, no bans s8 worlds: lee picked sometimes, nearly no bans, not a priority picks boards: DAE LEE SIN OVERPOWERED, STOP BUFFING HIM HE HAVE 200% PICKRATE DURING WORLDS REEEEEEE
Áery (NA)
: Literally none of these champions have no reasons to run exhaust as they are already good in team fights with their huge AoE. Exhaust isn't even meant to be a team fighting ability it's meant to be a single hand use on a specific champion in order to negate their damage. This is why in the past most mid laners ran this against assassins specifically as assassins burst the most. However there's no use as ignite out trades any exhaust user at all stages.
you missed the point, Moody said it's good VERSUS these champs, not on them. He have a good point
: This post is like a boards steak. It’s low quality meat and obviously wrong but people keep eating it.
league boards could swap places with r/leaguecirclejerk (it's actually r/circloljerk if anyone wants to join) and nearly no one could tell the difference tbh
: Shields are the only skilled way of protection. Let's face it. Healing is a bit too easy. Shielding however requires good timing. You give it too early, and enemy simply halts the damage until ends. You give it too late, and damage already done. I would put all shields into 2 types. Currently they are too weak to truly protect from all-in, and too expensive to work against pokers for the long run. I would simply make most shield refound mana, if it absorbs damage, or make their cost into similar ratio to damage. That way they could be great anti-poke tools.
> Shields are the only skilled way of protection. current shields? Maybe. Old lulu/janna shield with 100% uptime? fuck no > Currently they are too weak to truly protect from all-in and this is BS, since shield values are pretty decent right now
GilxeN (EUW)
: Whole morde rework is rigged for me, with overtuned kit.
: > [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wUYBgdPo,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-08-25T19:03:58.316+0000) > > But don’t you know? He’s a bruiser. And bruisers are always weak even if they are fucking every other class into the dirt. > > But but but, this one time a guy played Darius and got bullied by a vlad. :c how can he be broken? > > No for real. I’ve been saying this for months. Kiting does not work anymore. When every bruiser has a dash, or in this case 900ms, you can’t and won’t ever kite them. Troglodytes downvoting you becuase they cant read the sarcasm font {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}}
or people are downvoting him since they see through that shitty sarcasm and just disagree with it (especially when you have non sarcastic opinion about darius having 900 ms)
Lozrael (EUW)
: New Trundle skin
traditional is way too good anyway
Anatera (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=LTK KoRo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ocgNqyrI,comment-id=000e0000,timestamp=2019-08-17T16:25:52.584+0000) > > since when assassins destroy tanks I didn't mention tanks anywhere. Want to try again?
hm i think i commented on a wrong comment then, my bad
: It annoys me to see Garen getting a partial
idk fam, Trundle is perfectly fine right now and his kit offers a very clear idea of him being good/bad vs certain comps. He's one of these old champs which don't need any modernization
Anatera (NA)
: Riot can't have that because it would interfere with all the 12 year old assassin mains and their desperate need to fulfill their power fantasy.
since when assassins destroy tanks
: Kalista loses all attack speed on slows - make slows make her jump less far, not slow motion float
sure, what should kalista give up for having uncounterable kiting? i suggest cut her AA damage to 30% total AD, or make her rend to cap at 2 spears, or nerf her ult 'rescue' speed+make her oathsworn fully targetable during ult channel
Cerash (EUW)
: Apply this same mechanic to everyone and see how quickly either all players would leave or the problem would get fixed. Too bad we can't do anything about it. Imagine if slows actually increased cooldown times, autoattack delays, or channel speeds.
> Apply this same mechanic to everyone and see how quickly either all players would leave or the problem would get fixed because other champions totally have a dash-per-autoattack mechanic, yeah sure, sounds fair. Kalista players dont understand that their champion in old state was wayy too forgiving and really ridiculous in terms of kiting
Qïyanaa (EUNE)
: Cus better jungler wins duh
you misspelled bot
1IIIII (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=LTK KoRo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Gzk2oLNX,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-08-10T08:20:43.004+0000) > > great idea to ruin the game buddy, the best thing which balance team can do is to NOT listen to these boards Who told you the community was just the boards? I said people who listen in general. How about outside the boards where people have been talking and giving feedback to riot about the state of the game? Where do you give your feedback as a player ask yourself and should your feedback be ignored too? What happens when they buff the adcs again like Kaisa, Xayah and ignore all feedback about her?
yeah, but balance team does listen, but to a valuable feedback. For example when small reworks happen, like recent Swain, some rioters go for feedback on r/ChampionMains and collect it here. About overall health of the game, they ask pros, analysts/coaches and challenger tier players. They aren't asking average player about balance because average player have no idea when something is balanced. Point is, Riot shouldn't ever listen to community as a whole, because average community member have no idea about balance. And when it comes to listening to people who actually know what about they are talking about, they listen. > Where do you give your feedback as a player ask yourself and should your feedback be ignored too? What happens when they buff the adcs again like Kaisa, Xayah and ignore all feedback about her? I'd say yes, my feedback should be ignored because when it comes to ADCs im fueled by hatred, so i could always claim they're too OP and should get nerfed
: How would YOU bring balance to the game?
gut all enchanters and kai'sa/corki/xayah/tristana and game is suddenly at it's best
1IIIII (NA)
: Change the balance team with people who listen.
great idea to ruin the game buddy, the best thing which balance team can do is to NOT listen to these boards
: Wishlists For Season 10
why do you even nerf conq for melees while buffing it for rangeds, geez, rangeds have everything too easy anyway
: Yeah yeah but where are the MF buffs so I can stop playing 3c3 rankeds and go back to play Rift Jokes asides I'm sad that they are removing TT, I've always liked it.
i used to play ranked TT in season 3/4, but now it's whatever for me tbh. Also i heard funnel is running rampart here, so it being gone is good for me
Madz (NA)
: Current Jungle Problems and PLEASE NERF ASSASSINS
> You should definitely balance around solo queue, not pro scene. anyone who claims that is a clown tbh
: Azir has the most broken design out of all champs in the game. All nerfs are welcome until they rework the monster they should have never green lighted in the first place.
hm im curious why hybrid of control mage and ADC is broken :thinking emoji:
: Adcs good, Boards Bad
: God, ADCs can't do ANYTHING, can they? Seriously, on these boards at least, if an ADC does literally anything, be it go to a different lane (and fail, apparently), or build anything other than a single line of items, it's an immediate beg for nerfs. Kai'sa went mid for one game, should she have every bone shattered to pieces by the nerf bat? But when ADC players complained about mages bot, people said that they should just adapt or pick a mage themselves. So, how about instead of complaing about an ADC going someplace other than bot, why don't you try picking an ADC to counter them?
god you are special piece of ADC main arent you? ADCs are still dominating bot, bot is still most important role in the game, and you have the audacity to whine that "ADCs can't do ANYTHING" while ADCs are doing the most in the current meta. Meanwhile Tristana rose up and now she dominates 90% of midlane/toplane matchups and ur crying that it's fine because ADCs can't do anything despite being the most powerful role in the game.
Barkley (NA)
: Boards: meta is stale (People pick new and interesting adaptations) Boards: new and interesting adaptations are broken OP Rito please nerf (Rito nerfs new and interesting adaptations) Boards: meta is stale.
yeah cool, but there's one problem with that. Tristana top/mid isn't an interesting adaptation, it's a fucking hypercarry adc who dominates tons of sololane matchups. Imagine if lane bullies scaled like a monsters, and then u get the tristana
GigglesO (NA)
: one shot metas are stale.
tank metas or adcs meta are stale too but whatever
: Doesn't even feel like I can compete playing Ashe anymore. Sustaining a stream of damage is unreasonable against champions that burst you before you can even make 3 attack moves. Kiting is a thing of the past. Just stand there and take it and hope your stat checking pans out. Unless you get fed early, she feels more like a support champion.
because ashe is on a supportive side of adcs, i don't think there's any reason why she should be able to duel anyone with amount of her utility
Durzaka (NA)
: Thats not how it USED to be. Thats the point.
there are a lot of things which got changed, and more than 90% of them were good changes. Less vision overall was one of them.
huhndog (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Pyrosan,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5PfEW1NY,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-07-30T06:39:37.518+0000) > > Let's make jungle even worse by making vision uptime ever higher, it's not like ganking or living in the jungle is hard enough already It would change such a heavy ganking meta to counterjungling. Honestly I'm getting really tired of this meta
big vision makes counterjungling way too risky, there's no point in counterjungling if jungle entrances are warded all the time
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