Rioter Comments
XPnut (NA)
: Champion pricing - Why?
*Unpopular opinion alert* but I think people need to stop complaining about this really. BE is a free in game currency and with little actual use. If you wanna get a champion, then play the game and save up to allow youorself to do so. It's not hard really. Every game they give you BE, albeit a small amount, but BE nonetheless. Not only that but since removing the level cap and giving implemementing rewards for levelling in the form of capsules that can give you multiple champs at a time at a discounted BE-price, I don't see why people have the grounds on which to complain? I just had 70K BE, idk if that's just me and I doubt it is, but all I'm saying is it isn't hard to get these. Even if the prices don't change with regard to their age and or play rate I wouldn't complain. Imma buy Aphelios on release and for champs that I think I'll enjoy in the future with 0 problems. I would be kinda annoyed if I saw this as an employee at Riot because not long ago I saw a post complaining that they have nothing to do with their BE. A quick side-point but wouldn't attatching prices to the play rate of champions make a clear indication as to which champs are in meta and which ones aren't? Something about that just doesn't seem right.
: Riot almost never balances properly. Sometimes you dont even need to nerf numbers to make things less or more powerful. Take Swain as an example. Imagine if his E gave vision from FoW and bushes when it caught a champion. Imagine being able to pull ALL targets stunned by it. What if it returned more quickly based on distance from Swain? Finally think what would happen if we added a recast to return it immidiately. We didn't touch a single number, yet the ability is now significantly more powerful than it was before. This is what Riot does. They make overloaded reworks and champions, then they realize you cant let a single ability have everything and opt for nerfing damage/healing/shielding instead of playtesting and finding a core problem to fix within those abilities. Futhermore, people balancing those champions dont have experience playing them. They have data and can say. Hey X, Y, Z champion heals for too much. Let's nerf those heals. But they dont realize that healing might not even be a problem, but it could be range and safe burst damage, but since they dont main champions they just take the easy route. Then, when items, runes and meta as a whole changes, champion X, Y, Z is left with butchered numbers and overloaded abilities that basically dont do anything.
> [{quoted}](name=CØulrophobia,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=V0Xdk03l,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2019-12-01T22:11:55.735+0000) > > Riot almost never balances properly. Sometimes you dont even need to nerf numbers to make things less or more powerful. > > Take Swain as an example. Imagine if his E gave vision from FoW and bushes when it caught a champion. Imagine being able to pull ALL targets stunned by it. What if it returned more quickly based on distance from Swain? Finally think what would happen if we added a recast to return it immidiately. > > We didn't touch a single number, yet the ability is now significantly more powerful than it was before. > > This is what Riot does. They make overloaded reworks and champions, then they realize you cant let a single ability have everything and opt for nerfing damage/healing/shielding instead of playtesting and finding a core problem to fix within those abilities. > > Futhermore, people balancing those champions dont have experience playing them. They have data and can say. Hey X, Y, Z champion heals for too much. Let's nerf those heals. But they dont realize that healing might not even be a problem, but it could be range and safe burst damage, but since they dont main champions they just take the easy route. Then, when items, runes and meta as a whole changes, champion X, Y, Z is left with butchered numbers and overloaded abilities that basically dont do anything. Really good point you've made here. 9/10 their quick fixes adresses numbers solely & I think it's the main reason that champs are either broken or unplayable. They need to put in more thought into how they nerf/buff champions on a much smaller scale than mini-reworks but with more regard to changes that increase / reduce a champ's QoL, making them more fair or fun to play against and keeping them relevant.
: > [{quoted}](name=AdamrCc,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=V0Xdk03l,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-12-01T04:01:14.047+0000) > > {{champion:24}}. > > Never thought I'd say he wasunderpowered but Riot's buffed most other meta champs to the point where even Yi 1v1's him these days. Jax spent the entire season being good to top tier in Top/Jungle, got Spear of Shojin removed, and is still doing fine Top/Jungle. He's still a stupid lane bully that outscales almost every other champion and has the skill ceiling of the subterranean.
> [{quoted}](name=Lord Dusteon,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=V0Xdk03l,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2019-12-01T04:49:06.025+0000) > > Jax spent the entire season being good to top tier in Top/Jungle, got Spear of Shojin removed, and is still doing fine Top/Jungle. He's still a stupid lane bully that outscales almost every other champion and has the skill ceiling of the subterranean. I hate Jax he's a piece of shit. Every time i see someone like him Yi or Garen (to name but a few), I lose interest.
: I had a game with no assassins...
I played a game with 0 Bruisers and tanks once. I would consider that pretty fun too.
: Master Yi doing 50% of a tanks health as True Damage what the hell?
I'm looking at the comments and the underlying arguement is that he's always done this... Sooo it's fine? I have been playing the game for 5 years and it's true, he has been a hyper carry that runs at you at mach speed while tearing down tanks and getting pentas, but why do we have to be ok with that? Why are we putting in the effort into playing harder champs with lesser of a yield (with the exception of Yasuo). I'm not going to lie, playing against champions that just scale is terribly unfun, it confines a winning condition into having to win early game and that is just unrealistic in a lot of cases. Why am I fighting against time because the same thing I do in terms of playing the game has more of a reward for you than I? Prime examples, Nasus, Veigar, Yasuo, Jax... I personally don't mind going against champions like Kassadin, Vayne, Kayle and a number of champions that do better in the late game as opposed to their early, because the difference is there is more counterplay and more room for error on their behalf, more often than not, those who do good late game on these sorts of champions are skilled or understand their champion, to the point where it feels like a skill matchup instead of a complete white wash because their champion out performs mine. I don't main any of those listed so it's not a case of bias and I agree, sometimes when I get one shot by a late game Kassadin I just think "W.T.F" but at least I understand that he is truly a late game champion and is otherwise fed as a result of mistakes that can be rectified in future games. He didn't just come back to lane with a {{item:3211}} / {{item:3057}} - (Nasus) and begin to start winning lane. He didn't back and get a {{item:3070}} (Ryze) and start outrading with 0 AP benefits... So it feels fair That's just my take tho...
: hes always done that and riot allows it cause they think its healthy then even have stated his gameplay is fine and healithier then old aatrox.
> [{quoted}](name=ZeroAgainst,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=r0TyPH0s,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-11-21T16:45:04.749+0000) > > hes always done that and riot allows it cause they think its healthy then even have stated his gameplay is fine and healithier then old aatrox. Wait ngl I hate Yi, he's a part of the list of braindead champs that scale regardless of what you do and while I acknowledge there are 'pro Yis' and there is a clear distinction between a good Yi and a bad one, is he not undeniably unfun to play against? It is a running joke between my friends that whenever we wanna win a game (norms / whatever), we say just pick Yi or Jax. On 3 occassions amongst my friends they've Yi in Arams and we've all joked saying free pentas and it happened! It is just that easy, I don't think I can look at Yi and say his gameplay is healthy regardless of whether his presence in pro-play / challenger is low.
Vonyalo (EUW)
: oh come on, are you gonna complain about free stuff, really?
> [{quoted}](name=Vonyalo,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=h25yeG9y,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-10-26T22:44:01.178+0000) > > oh come on, are you gonna complain about free stuff, really? I kinda agree with you here seems a lot of people are afraid of getting downvoted by argueing for your side though. I mean free stuff doesn't mean we should be treated like a dispensible community or a replacable one but I can vouch for both sides of this. One hand it's free, on the other I think people were expecting a lot more, especially for the 10 yr annivenrsary, getting a L-skin you didn't even know existed because it is so outdated and bad (not meeting the qualification for today's legedaries) does feel like shit lol. I got Alien Invader Heimer but I got +910 Orange essence from it so idm, if it auto added it to my collections I would be dissapointed, even if it was free. I guess that's the tradeoff for rng free stuff :/
: Mundo and Garen are both juggernauts.
> [{quoted}](name=AlienPrimate,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IUssF4MZ,comment-id=000800000000,timestamp=2019-09-23T01:46:33.626+0000) > > Mundo and Garen are both juggernauts. I don't see the fairness of tankiness & damage while still being able to have extreme chase potential. I don't even know how to go about arguing against Juggernauts, because people usually tend to simply say "oh they're juggernauts" & everything is ok all of a sudden, as if a class distinction means you're allowed to be broken.
: How to kill Cockroaches (100% guarantee)
1000 kills confirmed. Real shit right here.
: Never because a tank you can just walk away from. You can't walk away from getting 3 shot.
> [{quoted}](name=AlienPrimate,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IUssF4MZ,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-09-22T03:35:56.647+0000) > > Never because a tank you can just walk away from. You can't walk away from getting 3 shot. Except you can't... Especially when towers seem to not exist while Rammus, Garen & Mundo are hurtling towards you with movement speed steroids & a righteous glory.
: How often have you been pissed b/c a champ was too tanky?
Every time I see this {{champion:86}} ABSOLUTE WASTEMAN! I have pledged to myself to never play him for as long as I play league.
Rioter Comments
: Because kindred is a shittier design? Zero counterplay statcheck that still kills everyone from lvl 3 on in an E and three autos? Basically a ranged renekton with less counterplay and thankfully unpopular which will change after buff
> [{quoted}](name=GayFluffyUnicorn,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NyklrmYW,comment-id=002b0000,timestamp=2019-08-20T16:42:56.814+0000) > > Because kindred is a shittier design? Zero counterplay statcheck that still kills everyone from lvl 3 on in an E and three autos? Basically a ranged renekton with less counterplay and thankfully unpopular which will change after buff I actually chose to main her because asided from being fun I find her balanced, clear weaknesses & powerspikes with certain builds. She's undergone a lot of changes since then & if you played her I think you'd find that she is pretty underwhelming, especially in comparison to the rest of ADCs & junglers (since she's a mixture of the two), her ganking potential is quite weak & very reliant on how your laners play & the mobility of the enemy champions & her kit is actually very conflicting. I could go on forever but you already made your opinions clear that you think Kindred is broken so it's just gonna be a circular arguement...
Laçez (EUW)
: no to excuse this Akali but I think old Akali is a lot more cancerous personally
> [{quoted}](name=Laçez,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=If9HQhUG,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-08-22T18:33:53.021+0000) > > no to excuse this Akali but I think old Akali is a lot more cancerous personally I only say that people find this iteration of Akali broken, Idk I like playing as and against her, it seems fair to me but I can see where people get annoyed with her shroud. I do find that people find any excuse to say she's broken even after countless nerfs & especially when they lose lane to her.
LH2RN2P2 (NA)
: Akali
no to excuse this Akali but I think old Akali is a lot more cancerous personally
: RIOT ARE BUFFING YASUO AND KINDRED
Why u hating on Kindred?
Terozu (NA)
: Oh I wasn't arguing with you, was just expanding in what you said lol.
> [{quoted}](name=Terozu,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HcEqEvln,comment-id=00000003000000010000,timestamp=2019-08-13T17:12:50.217+0000) > > Oh I wasn't arguing with you, was just expanding in what you said lol. oh lol, calm xd
Terozu (NA)
: Kat is stomped by anyone with cc that interrupts her ult. If you are as good at the game as Kat and you have a stun and aren't a support(and even if you are sometimes), you should slaughter her. Something like 90% of the roster counters her in some way. With like half of those being hard counters. I mean have you seen her flowchart?
> [{quoted}](name=Terozu,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HcEqEvln,comment-id=000000030000,timestamp=2019-08-12T18:58:53.450+0000) > > Kat is stomped by anyone with cc that interrupts her ult. > > If you are as good at the game as Kat and you have a stun and aren't a support(and even if you are sometimes), you should slaughter her. > > Something like 90% of the roster counters her in some way. With like half of those being hard counters. > > I mean have you seen her flowchart? I mean... I'm agreeing with you, I like playing against Kat. it doesn't feel unfair to me.
: *Wants to play Braum for the funsies* "Lemme just ban someone who pokes the shit out of me while being extremely safe/does a million dmg" *Lux exists* *Vel Koz exists* *Pyke exists* *Xerath exists* *Zyra exists* *Brand exists* Oh wait, maybe I should ban some OP mid laners. *Yasuo exists* (Don't even tell me he's weak, his supposedly "bad early" means once he hits lvl 3, he can kill you if you just misstep a teeny bit) *Zed exists* *Katarina exists* *Fizz exists* *Mordekaiser exists* Well, shit!
> [{quoted}](name=Tuition Fee,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=HcEqEvln,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-12T04:18:02.331+0000) > > *Wants to play Braum for the funsies* > "Lemme just ban someone who pokes the shit out of me while being extremely safe/does a million dmg" > *Lux exists* > *Vel Koz exists* > *Pyke exists* > *Xerath exists* > *Zyra exists* > *Brand exists* > > Oh wait, maybe I should ban some OP mid laners. > > *Yasuo exists* (Don't even tell me he's weak, his supposedly "bad early" means once he hits lvl 3, he can kill you if you just misstep a teeny bit) > *Zed exists* > *Katarina exists* > *Fizz exists* > *Mordekaiser exists* > > > Well, shit! Not gonna lie, Lux, Vel'koz, Brand, Kat, sometimes Zed/Fizz & Xerath are kinda manageable, but I fully agree with the rest.
: the underlying problem with ekko is that 99% of the ekko players can't actually play ekko. so yeah he's actually just fine the way he is.
> [{quoted}](name=preternatural,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Hf6dxtG1,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-11T18:55:28.784+0000) > > the underlying problem with ekko is that 99% of the ekko players can't actually play ekko. > so yeah he's actually just fine the way he is. I just went 20-7-16 after Akali got stolen from me in champ select, my penta got stolen and I basically hard carried, I do know how to play him & I'm doing so with one hand on a trackpad as I do with all the other champions I can just about manage to play. I'm simply outlining glaring parts of his kit that a lot of Ekko players who put enough time into him would find themselves experiencing. Am I saying he is bad, no but he doesn't stack up to the competetition when you play him as best as you can because of the things I mentioned above & some that I never even bothered to say. He will continue to be a mediocre champion that does little to impact games much like a good Vladimir would & he will continue too see minimal pointless buffs as a result of his kit being too volitile. QoL buffs are more helpful to Ekko than stat buffs & that is something we aren't seeing, thus I would argue that he isn't fine else I wouldn't have qualms with how he plays in the same way I don't have any for the way Akali plays.
Rioter Comments
Cräfty (EUW)
: Riot! Show Ekko some love, goddamnit! He's been waiting for almost 3 years, now...
I just stopped playing him after realising there is literally no point cucking urself playing an underwhelming champion that is albeit, pretty fun but useless or outclassed by a variety of champions. I tried to stick with him (racked up over 500k) but he's just not worth it. It sucks the life out of me because there are diminishing returns for almost everything you do in his kit & there is no real way to buff him without breaking him so I'll just see if they change his kit in any fashion in the future... Until then :p
: I love League, I played it for 10 years. But you make me want to quit.
I got flipping one shot by a full tank Rammus that wasn't even fed with aftershock & I was Vel'koz, so the damage of being an ADC that's reflected by Rammus wasn't even a factor. If I'm getting one shot by TANKS, then somethihg is wrong, their job should be to provide support through utility & to tank damage but instead they're one shotting whilst being amongst 5 opponents. I was left speachless... I hate tanks.
: Unhappy with the game/balance team ruining the game
I don't know if the game was ever balanced, especially when u think back to things like old poppy or Sion. It definitely did feel as though if something was wrong, people were understanding to the changes that needed attention. I would agree that the balance team has never been as bad as they are now everything is being ramped up with no real forthcoming consideration of their implications. Recent buffs on champions like Syndra, LB & Kha on the Pbe were never, I repeat - NEVER NEEDED! Soraka is getting a damage buff, (minimal) but the question is why buff her damage in any form when her main stat is utility. The recent Renekton buff is as stupid as can be, possibly added to the worst champ imaginable too, while it has had little overall affect on the game due to it being situational, it should'nt have been added. The way they're handling balancing is as though they find the worst possible solution & add that to the game instead of actually thinking and or listening to the community putting forth great work-arounds for the problems they face day in, day out as they play this game; just look at the way they handled aftershock, not nerfing the rune but changing the champions that were using it when the clear root of the problem was the rune itself. The game is spiralling into an abyss of cancer simply because of extreme incompetence that the balance team is exhibiting within their own game. That's not even the extent of the balancing problems in this game, especially where favoritism & popularity of champions is concerned. Prime examples - Riven, Yasuo & Vayne who are evidently immune to the effects of decent fair kits with a tempo that matches that of a champion deemed to be from league of legends. From immunity to disabling due to game breaking bugs, to compensation buffs so they don't fall off the popularity ladder, these champions encompass it all & they will continue to for whatever god forsaken reason that falls above the overall balancing of the game. The game is aids, I can't believe it has taken me this long to realise it. It is getting boring & will progress down that way if the same trends towards balancing this game persists. Yassuo has already dipped (although for other reasons), Stylish has voiced his concerns over and over again about multiple champions & while opinions are extremely subjective from peer to peer, when the same problems keep being voiced continuously unanimously & nothing is done, people just get fed up. *Edit: Grammar*
: Wtf is this Renekton buff
Remember when they gave Irelia a mechanic for withering shield's based off her passive?! I sure as hell do & this is somehow even worse. It has been established that the balance team really has no clue what they are doing to this game in order to fix it let alone push it in the right direction, in fact when a friend told me they buffed renekton on the Pbe I thought it was a joke, then he told me how they buffed him & I seriously laughed out loud in disbelief. This is the worst mechanic you can put on a champion & they chose to to give it to RENEKTON! it literally mitigates entire kits, similar to how Yasuo's windwall is hated across the entire game. I'm just making a conscious effort to stay tf away from top lane. A season ago I didn't think this game was complete cancer but I am so wrong to say otherwise now, this game has transcended cancer. Outstanding...
: Jax needs CD nerfs.
True, he's literally a grasshopper with a lamp that one shots you.
Rioter Comments
: X champion doesn't belong in Y lane
Meanwhile Yasuo is playable in every role...
: Ekko is just dumb. Nothing about a champion that has a button that says “ rito I fucked up, plz save me” is fun.
> [{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=92dOQHwz,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-06-05T18:35:28.189+0000) > > Ekko is just dumb. Nothing about a champion that has a button that says “ rito I fucked up, plz save me” is fun. For real, it doesn't feel fun when your a carry that relies on mess ups in a game than punishes that so heavily. It is especially not fun having very little ways to engage & even once you do, you make a minor impact.
: > [{quoted}](name=Laçez,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=92dOQHwz,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-06-05T17:34:08.095+0000) > > Have you played him? i wish i was a master with him but in my exp i seen his mains do crazy plays (he can zhonyas/W stun)
> [{quoted}](name=Corrector1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=92dOQHwz,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2019-06-05T17:38:03.952+0000) > > i wish i was a master with him but in my exp i seen his mains do crazy plays (he can zhonyas/W stun) Sorry if I seem arguementative, but I'm a main myself (560k points), I've explored every area of his kit with all its tricks & it's the main reason I have come to this conclusion :/ I mean I would at least like to know what Riot thinks about his kit.
: ekko is (if played efficently) is actually a master of ALL except healing others.
> [{quoted}](name=Corrector1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=92dOQHwz,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-05T17:07:12.458+0000) > > ekko is (if played efficently) is actually a master of ALL except healing others. Have you played him?
floo (EUW)
: For once I agree with you. If I can blind pick tahm top in autofill and go 7/0, only dying if I overstay and they have to group to kill me, there's something sincerely wrong with that champ. He's ridiculously strong atm.
> [{quoted}](name=floo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BrKJyW8t,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-06-05T14:50:56.515+0000) > > For once I agree with you. If I can blind pick tahm top in autofill and go 7/0, only dying if I overstay and they have to group to kill me, there's something sincerely wrong with that champ. He's ridiculously strong atm. Idk why people are downvoting you, it's completely true.
: > [{quoted}](name=Laçez,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BrKJyW8t,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2019-06-05T15:41:26.335+0000) > > I don't understand why this is being highlighted now, I'm not saying I support him being in the top lane but him being there has always been a one sided downhill battle when you're against him, I'm confused as to why people stopped playing it and why it is resurfacing now. Even then when I vented my thoughts about interacting with Tahm being an impossible task, I got downvoted & even told that he is a "juggernaut", (which makes everything Ok all of a sudden? I think not). Now it's come back to bite people in the butt & I cannot say I'm surprised. Because he is a "juggernaut" that does not need AD items and unlike mundo has actual CC and cannot be countered by executioners calling.
> [{quoted}](name=Zeppelins circus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BrKJyW8t,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2019-06-05T15:46:05.426+0000) > > Because he is a "juggernaut" that does not need AD items and unlike mundo has actual CC and cannot be countered by executioners calling. But that's the thing, he is a support. Much like Shen or Braum. He shouldn't be dealing damage but assisting his team in doing so. I'm completely on your side with how you feel about Tahm & it is ridiculous how Tanks are the ones that are dealing damage & stomping lanes. People are complaining about damage in every area of the game & it is 100% true. Aside from maybe... Yuumi lol
Rioter Comments
Moody P (NA)
: I repeat: Dumpster Tahm and rework him
I don't understand why this is being highlighted now, I'm not saying I support him being in the top lane but him being there has always been a one sided downhill battle when you're against him, I'm confused as to why people stopped playing it and why it is resurfacing now. Even then when I vented my thoughts about interacting with Tahm being an impossible task, I got downvoted & even told that he is a "juggernaut", (which makes everything Ok all of a sudden? I think not). Now it's come back to bite people in the butt & I cannot say I'm surprised.
: > [{quoted}](name=Laçez,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kgorEtXY,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-05-31T18:17:35.724+0000) > > I don't feel she needs nerfs. Leave her as she is. Statistic say otherwise. Feelings are irrelevant.
> [{quoted}](name=Hayaishi2,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kgorEtXY,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2019-05-31T18:56:52.692+0000) > > Statistic say otherwise. Feelings are irrelevant. K then look at Aatrox. Look at Akali. Statistics say otherwise but the balance team has gutted one & left the other untouched. I don't play Kai'sa, I'm simply stating when the enemy team has a Kai'sa & she's done well I can identify where our team has failed, that doesn't make her OP / busted in my opinion. ON THE OTHER HAND I cannot say the same for a number of champions that feed but don't fall off I.E - Yi, Yasuo, Vladimir. There is no clear indication of failure when they seem to start doing well, it is just they have broken kits & you're fighting against time because their kits are more lucrative & cost effective. I cannot say the same for Kai'sa because when I put her down, unless we throw & allow her back into the game, she doesn't automatically start doing better than my ADC who is actually fed. Feelings are irrelevant, true but the fact is she doesn't exhibit the pattern of a broken champion at all to me like these ones do.
: An age where a full AD team has nothing to fear from a team building Armor on everyone
I'm sorry but there is no way I'm cleaving to this statement. Everytime I go against tanks, say full AD vs full armour, there's very little that you're able to do, especially given the fact that tanks are also pumping out damage for some reason & have the ability to burst. Now it isn't out of the question to say that comps with champs like Vayne/Kog'Maw/Kai'sa/M-yi for instance can essentially bypass having a full armour comp but the rest of the roster doesn't allow this. Tank items aren't expensive, they're amongst the cheapest in the game. "Tanks" like Nautilus can build full defense but have the ability to 1v1 fed carries. I was always under the impression that having defense is your way of assisting your team to fight & henceforth forfeiting your ability to deal significant damage; a tradeoff of sorts but that isn't the case in league because the damage in the game is too high across the board. Not only this but the class of jUggErNautS, is a mix between the two - fighting & tank classes. They have mostly single target CC but for some reason assassin level burst. I always look back to renekton for this example because for the life of me, whenever I see him in game on my team or not, he has insane damage, a combo that barely gives you a chance to retaliate & tanky stats. The fact that juggernauts even remain a class annoys me to be frank & I do not think it is a fair spot to name a class this simply because they have OS level damage & Tahm Kench level Tankiness. A few more honourable mentions are Tahm himself (tank-support btw) & Aatrox - stomping in high level play with high play rate & high win rate, yet a champion like him is still able to dash over walls. Seems really dumb to me. I think the problem is tanks have lost their identity of being just that, Tanky! Instead they're dealing damage like everyone else & this game gives the impression (to me at least) that if you aren't dealing damage you are inherently useless, which shouldn't be the case but unfortunately is.
: Kaisa nerfs where Riot?
I don't feel she needs nerfs. Leave her as she is.
: dont list proffesor akali, hes just a view whore lmao
> [{quoted}](name=wilosonmeat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=r1K9AWaa,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-05-31T12:17:48.966+0000) > > dont list proffesor akali, hes just a view whore lmao Lol you right still xD
: You bought this akin and knew it could happen. Its your problem. Not theirs.
> [{quoted}](name=letsfeedtogether,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=r1K9AWaa,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-05-30T20:44:44.733+0000) > > You bought this akin and knew it could happen. Its your problem. Not theirs. Dunno y you assumed that I knew it could happen. In fact I thought they'd done their damage after all the nerfs they pumped out, which is why I started playing her - she was put in a spot where she wasn't any where near as broken as before but also playable.
: Why would they give you your money back?
> [{quoted}](name=letsfeedtogether,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=r1K9AWaa,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-05-30T16:00:38.095+0000) > > Why would they give you your money back? No shade but Idk if you've read recent patch notes, but they've nerfed her into oblivion, she may as well not even be considered a champion. It's more of a request from me than anything but I'm only asking because it was maybe a week before that I bought that skin before they announced the devastating nerfs. They aren't being fair to the people that play Akali as anyone can tell you this is the nail in the coffin after a sea of nerfs upon nerfs since she was reworked. I'm not angry at the fact that I probably won't get a refund, idm really, but they gotta do something about the games eco system because if someone like Yasuo can be parading around in the game, untouched, yet they're gutting Akali because of presence in pro-play. Something is up...
Saezio (EUNE)
: You can't refund? I think you should be able to if it's not too long ago you bought it
> [{quoted}](name=Saezio,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=r1K9AWaa,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-30T15:50:23.012+0000) > > You can't refund? I think you should be able to if it's not too long ago you bought it nah unable too unfortunately.
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Goldxperienco,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=X8qZLx0F,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-05-23T13:09:43.546+0000) > > Ryze ,azir, kalista , all are fine if played well and they are not bad especially on the hands of true mains , in ther other hand akali is getting gutted thanks to the passive hard nerf , at this point the energy restore nerf is fine but ad+ap ratio nerf will affect both her laning phase and power in general at all points of the game , at this point just revert the champ she was way more healthier intsead of making her into the new ryze. She was always a stat check, just like Jax and Yi. Are they healthy? Akali has no energy costs, since everything in her kit procs her passive and restores energy, on top of that her W does that by default. Take her against a melee champ, you can just Q into passive for ages. Since he is slowed and has lower range he will never come close. But your Q CD will prevent you from spam...nevermind.
> [{quoted}](name=Laufplanke,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=X8qZLx0F,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-05-23T13:27:24.066+0000) > > She was always a stat check, just like Jax and Yi. Are they healthy? > Akali has no energy costs, since everything in her kit procs her passive and restores energy, on top of that her W does that by default. > Take her against a melee champ, you can just Q into passive for ages. Since he is slowed and has lower range he will never come close. > But your Q CD will prevent you from spam...nevermind. Expect you'll find that she does in fact have energy costs, you can't face plant & do whatever you want. Yes her W restores energy, as does her passive but her W has a 25 -13 second cooldown, you need to utilise her kit well enough to manage the energy costs she has and that comes with mastery. Really from what I can see you're another clown speaking out of their ass because you don't really have any clue how the champion works, that & you compared her to the likes of Yi & Jax. You want a champion that has no energy costs but gets more based off just simply using abilities, then look at renekton. He just recieved a buff too, so say what you want but it's clear these nerfs are eminating out of pro play & nothing else - because she is suffering when you look at her from any other standpoint in the game.
mack9112 (NA)
: Akali deserves to be a difficult champion to play or the rewards she offers. These nerfs help push that fact.
> [{quoted}](name=mack9112,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hXs4xepu,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-05-23T16:00:04.433+0000) > > Akali deserves to be a difficult champion to play or the rewards she offers. > > These nerfs help push that fact. Except, as of now that is the case. Maybe even to a fault, as her winrate isn't idicative of that fact. In challenger she has a sub 50% WR & in Lower Elos that trend continues. The only reason she is getting nerfed is her appearance in pro play, even then she wasn't played on the patch of her most recent nerf. Gut her main source of damage and you'll find that there is no real point to playing Akali. Your trades will be extended to a point of redundancy. The nerfs displayed here are not only stupid because of why they are doing it but also because of the fact that other champions of a stronger caliber aren't being nerfed either, it's only highlighted because of pro play. If you play Akali you learn of her weaknesses, the same goes for all other champions outside of just playing against them & from what I've found while playing as her, is that she has clear weaknesses & ways to be rendered a less efficient / useless based off the enemy's playstyle. A reduction in damage or any nerf as it stands right now is a way to see her gutted as Azir was. I've taken the time to play Akali & learn her, she has a long TTK, jher teamfighting has a high skill cap & you really need to pay a lot of attention to how you path to proc your passive & make the most out of her kit, from what I see here, there will be no point into doing any of this because her passive will simply be of little worth & her damage doesn't source or rely on much else in her kit aside from her ult.
Tioym (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=D357R0Y3R,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AQmiZB2W,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-05-23T12:36:20.966+0000) > > "oh no!! they're nerfing my champion because of pro play!!" > "nerfing a X% win rate champion" > > Akali is incredibly overpowered when played by a skilled player. Don't try to get statistic, don't try to search further than what it is. Akali mains that played the champion hundreds of times above master have like 60%-70% win rate on her. > > It's like {{champion:268}} over and over again, where people refuse to get good on the champion and blame high elo/pro play for nerfing their broken champion. > This is not going to change, {{champion:268}} was always like that and will remain like that. Akali is an other example of a champion balanced around skilled players > just like how {{champion:35}} {{champion:40}} {{champion:86}} {{champion:83}} {{champion:19}} are balanced around low elo and got nerfed despite never being OP in pro play. > > People need after so many years to understand that in every moba, you have characters balanced around different tiers of MMR. 6.86 Arc Warden in dota2 had 30% win rate and got nerfed because of fucking Alexthefool who had **94% WIN RATE ON HIM** in high MMR. > > If you want to play Akali, don't complain about her nerf and try to become better at her. Who are these Skilled Players you speak of? Winrates do not mean EVERYTHING but Let's still have a look because they are more reliable than someone's Opinion. If Skilled Players are **Challengers** then How do you explain this: **Kennen 4.7% Pick Rate Roughly 60% Winrate** **Sona 7.2% Pick Rate Roughly 59% Winrate** **Akali 7.5% Pick Rate Roughly 45% Winrate** I DON'T SEE A HIGH WINRATE LOL. The Trend should be that her winrate goes up as you go up the Ladder but that's not really happening. There are DOZENS of champions in challenger that have a considerably higher winrate than Akali. Heck she has one of the lowest winrates even in Challenger which is just stupid if you bother to think about it. All you do is Whine how "SKILLED" Akali Players are unstoppable but the Stats don't show it. You're pulling stuff out of your arse. She does not win in Low-Elo and she does not win in High Elo. The Only reason she's actually getting a fucking nerf is because she's Pick/Ban in Pro--Play. That's why Akali Players are Raging: Once again Riot is Balancing the game for Pro-Play and not for the Miliions of players that actually play the damn game.
> [{quoted}](name=Tioym,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AQmiZB2W,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2019-05-23T17:53:07.261+0000) > > Who are these Skilled Players you speak of? Winrates do not mean EVERYTHING but Let's still have a look because they are more reliable than someone's Opinion. If Skilled Players are **Challengers** then How do you explain this: > **Kennen 4.7% Pick Rate Roughly 60% Winrate** > **Sona 7.2% Pick Rate Roughly 59% Winrate** > **Akali 7.5% Pick Rate Roughly 45% Winrate** > I DON'T SEE A HIGH WINRATE LOL. The Trend should be that her winrate goes up as you go up the Ladder but that's not really happening. There are DOZENS of champions in challenger that have a considerably higher winrate than Akali. Heck she has one of the lowest winrates even in Challenger which is just stupid if you bother to think about it. All you do is Whine how "SKILLED" Akali Players are unstoppable but the Stats don't show it. You're pulling stuff out of your arse. She does not win in Low-Elo and she does not win in High Elo. The Only reason she's actually getting a fucking nerf is because she's Pick/Ban in Pro--Play. That's why Akali Players are Raging: Once again Riot is Balancing the game for Pro-Play and not for the Miliions of players that actually play the damn game. ^facts snm
: Nerfing Akalis is needed, I think that the ones that dont play the game are the Gameplay Boards
> [{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hXs4xepu,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-23T12:54:15.482+0000) > > Nerfing Akalis is needed, I think that the ones that dont play the game are the Gameplay Boards Go play her as it is right now, she isn't in a broken / OP spot, what this is right now is overkill. Given her lack of defence aside from her W, there would be no reward into performing in teamfights, or solo kills because of her low TTK & reduced damage, I gurantee everyone is going to begin building tank Akali with Conqueror & more nerfs/ changes will be heading her way in the future.
Rioter Comments
: This is why I don't like facing Vayne
I agree with you. Some champions just benefit too much off specific items, e.g. {{item:3124}}{{item:3078}} and of recent, that dumb item {{item:3161}} synergizing with passives making them op, so win or lose you're never irrelevant and have a higher than average chance of getting back into a game. It goes for a lot of champions other than Vayne like: {{champion:11}} {{champion:83}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:24}} & {{champion:75}} {{champion:45}} (because of their infinite stacking bs). I would say though that Vayne is the least worrysome out of them all because she needs team work to excel. The rest seem to do just fine on their own or require specific team comps which counter them. I find that blatantly unfair & a bias that they aren't in the same league of other champions and you're either cucking yourself by not playing them or choosing a team composition to deal with them exclusively. They require a different focus in game and divide it to the point where you feel as if you are in a 5v6 where the 6th player is the clock. You have to watch them in the sidelanes and you can't even push lanes early if it means they can free farm safely and work towards those items. The inability to fall off is one thing in itself but having a clear and unfair advantage over so many other champions is another. When I'm fed as Kindred (steam rolling games), I'm not one shotting people like an underfed Vayne would and I lose quite easily to champions like Yi despite playing a lot better. Of course there are counterpicks to certain champions but damn, sometimes it is unplayable because of how other champions work.
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