: > [{quoted}](name=Martensitic,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IPrjPAlj,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-06-23T20:16:42.891+0000) > > On behalf of the vast majority of Germans who don't behave like this internationally, I am really sorry. Apology not accepted . AT ALL .
The thing about diplomatic politeness my friend: You don't have to care if the other guy accepts the apology. ;-)
: Wait , Germans still use the same alphabet ? Wow
On behalf of the vast majority of Germans who don't behave like this internationally, I am really sorry.
: Sion actually has a large amount of lane bullying in his base kit, especially against champs that don't have mobility in their kit.
>especially against champs that don't have mobility in their kit. Which Akali (and Fiora, I forgot about her) have. Kayle is ranged. Jax builds Sustain. Nasus has sustain. All those (and other) champs can deal with Sions predicable damage output and bullying.
: The cheapest Sion build ever in every meaning of the word.
I wil definitely try that one, looks like fun =) That being said, I see a MAJOR downside to this build. **Absolutely, positively, zero chance to shut down your lane opponent. None, nada, silch, zero, nichts, nein** This is an inherent problem of Sion himself, but a build that focuses completely on acquiring basically passive damage, is making it worse. The jungle item alone is a HUGE setback on this front already, Redemtion and Crucible don't improve the situation either. If you have a scaling enemy toplaner, who profits more from farm than you do, this will get ugly very quickly. For example: {{champion:84}} or {{champion:24}} or {{champion:10}} are a Problem. {{champion:75}} is a HUGE problem. Imagine that Nasus, who heals more than you do, naturally, who won't go OOM, because he knows he doesn't have to fight you, who WILL outscale everything you build, who is magnitudes more threatening to your ADC, who dunks turrets like its nothing. That Nasus, played by a competent player, will easily farm 400+ stacks before even the 20 minute mark...and he has TP. He will outmanouver you, and kill your turrets in a single wave, even if he loses lane.
: hmm enter the thread i see 3 new post.. bet 50 euros it would all be from that pissed hater dude, fk ye i won , haters never disapoint. (well from your attention in this post and how much you spam you seem to care like more than your life xd)
It takes around 10 seconds off my schedule to reply to you, so no, this is not really bothering me. And your insults just confirm why **Riot was completely right to permaban you.**
: I'm still with it. There's no reason someone who doesn't know how to jungle gets filled... if not enough players want to play the role maybe you need a bigger overhaul of the roles stopping us from being able to reliably get our chosen roles though. Edit: SUpport and jungle are two pretty vital roles to other members of the team and I get filled to them all the time... Overhaul the roles.
>I'm still with it. I don't believe you. Plain and simple. If you had to wait 30-45min for ONE CHAMP SELECT (which doesn't necesarily result in a game, mind you), you would likely quit the game.
: Stop Forcing Supp Roles
>Forcing support roles encourages: trolling, tilting due to discouragement of not wanting the role, people that don't know how to support properly, support picks like Vayne, etc. And not forcing supp roles forces average wait times of 30minutes and more...mind you, that's just to get into a pregame...if then someone leaves champ select, you wait again. And just FYI my friend: Not so long ago, there was no role-chosing at all! You were put into a pregame screen, in a random QUEUE POSITION (not role, queue position). Whoever was first pick could pick whatever role he wanted, then 2nd pick, then 3rd...if you were unlucky and had 4th or 5th pick, you had to take what was left. So stop QQing. You have it AMAZINGLY better than we did.
: I got perma banned after 7 years of playing this game.
Your conditions are YOUR problem. They are not a free-pass to ignore the rules. If any medication makes it impossible to adhere to the behavior rules, its better not to play at all. When you make YOUR problem the problem of others, then there are consequences.
SorryGeton (EUNE)
: No nothing like this I wanan show this that the league system is not working that good at all.And no reason? Retarded players troll banning your pick and then smiling on your face is not pissing? Ruining your day while u wanna chill with your friend playing some flex? Where is the reason I don't see it (Sarcasm) Why there should be guys banning your champ and ruining your day and mood for seconds? But wait its not in game its in champ select I guess it doesn't count? Is that really how this system works?
>I wanan show this that the league system is not working that good at all. The inter got permabanned. I would say that works absolutely perfectly. >And no reason? Retarded players troll banning your pick and then smiling on your face is not pissing? You being pissed is not a reason. >Ruining your day while u wanna chill And because your day was "ruined" (How is a day ruined by losing one computer game?) you decided to ruin the game for 9 other people, 8 of which had NOTHING to do with your problem? If that is your understanding of Justice, then I am glad they banned you.
SorryGeton (EUNE)
: Perma ban for 1 game inting running down mid
Good decision by Riot. Glad you got what you deserve. \#nomercyforinters
: I hear Tiger Woods found a way to make it fun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRV5RLp6L1Q Something about using your 9 iron to get a "hole in one" I hope this doesn't get deleted for the video featuring a suggestively dressed female.
> [{quoted}](name=Irelia Bot,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=EKZNisyP,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-06-23T04:32:54.448+0000) > > I hope this doesn't get deleted for the video featuring a suggestively dressed female. Lets see what else is in this game: http://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/img/champion/splash/MissFortune_3.jpg https://%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Riven_3.jpg http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=1073914 https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/7/74/Lux_ZauberinSkin.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/694?cb=20140730121950&path-prefix=de https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JOMFF6N-TC8/V0TRe6DBEyI/AAAAAAAAPa0/4sCpGv8cQdIgYvIAOzuJxg34AOpWKpgEgCLcB/s1600/Nidalee_BewitchingSkin.jpg https://u.pomf.is/twtxlw.png Don't worry my friend, your picture is in good company :D
: Getting ddos
Learn what a DDoS actually is, before writing such BS.
: " Your chatlogs contain multiple insults, report threats, blame, belitteling and similar toxic content. Wheter or not you agree on that assessment is completely irrelevant." nothing of this is contained in my chatlogs and is free for watch. xd threats for report? lol so if you see an intentional feeder troller etc wastign your time i bet you honor him you dont advice everyone in the game to report him lol As it seems it really bothered you xd thus all this nonsense spam. Assesing something wihout arguments isnt assement is facism which means just because i have the power to do something i don't care to present valid reasons or explantions.
>nothing of this is contained in my chatlogs I know it doesn't matter to you, because you don't see it that way, but here is everything in your chatlogs that was toxic: >[9:40] [All] Almal1bre (Kassadin): grow up xd [13:23] [All] Almal1bre (Kassadin): why u talk about silvers ect [19:26] [All] Almal1bre (Kassadin): no silverino to tryhard in troll normals xd [19:59] Almal1bre (Kassadin): ur ape [20:40] [All] Almal1bre (Kassadin): he is the antifun kind of troll [25:40] [All] Almal1bre (Kassadin): he is trolling [30:10] [All] Almal1bre (Kassadin): rep gp srly [30:32] Almal1bre (Kassadin): grow up kid [30:39] Almal1bre (Kassadin): and realsie the truth [30:45] Almal1bre (Kassadin): i dont care if he is ur 5ys old premade [30:52] Almal1bre (Kassadin): ye h etrolls [31:05] Almal1bre (Kassadin): i dont go 0-100 and troll like him [33:22] Almal1bre (Kassadin): lee trolls too hard [34:31] [All] Almal1bre (Kassadin): ntio much u can do with two hard trollers [34:50] [All] Almal1bre (Kassadin): rep gp and lee [34:52] [All] Almal1bre (Kassadin): *bg Almal1bre : if only i had two jgs as well Almal1bre : gj jg Almal1bre : 1v9 hard Almal1bre : 1v9 Almal1bre : silver Almal1bre : eo Almal1bre : elo Almal1bre : rep fiddle wastign ou rtime Almal1bre : lol exactly i care about my firts game of the day in a troll normal with silver sure bud Almal1bre : i juts hate trollers like u Almal1bre : since u get so hammered at leats push ur lane lol Almal1bre : no fillde isnt troll Almal1bre : try minecraft Almal1bre : appropriate game for low prem Almal1bre : holy fk these toxic premades,non stop spamming Almal1bre : rep them jesus Almal1bre : the lvl of toxicity on this fiddle is somethign unseen Almal1bre : rage all game and afk Almal1bre : cute premades waste each other time xd Almal1bre : ashe patch is 7.11 Almal1bre : ur behind two three patches Almal1bre : rep premades hard flamers xd Almal1bre : u hsould be mad as well for the trollers wats eur time Almal1bre : ur dreaming. i took all objective and pushed all lanes while having a feeder troll duo mid Almal1bre : but wt u r silver i dnt expect u to undertsandx d but u played good too Almal1bre : u cant even reach dia lol wtf u talk about Almal1bre : grow a pair Almal1bre : if only i had a jg Almal1bre : u blind or trolling? Almal1bre : y he is hard flmaer too Almal1bre : dont owrry our 0-1-0 14min trolling nunu will carry u syndra Almal1bre : u have issues Almal1bre : or ur really bad Almal1bre : one fo the two Almal1bre : i mean i saw ur elo but still Almal1bre : u have no hope Almal1bre : no point in wasting ur time Almal1bre : i know players like u xd Almal1bre : told u i know kids like u Almal1bre : im never worng when i see u Almal1bre : rep nunu after Almal1bre : veigar riven juts flaming trol premades Almal1bre : nunu rage and afk Almal1bre : who knows what u possibly have in ur brain and think thats funny Almal1bre : in ur elo its nrmal Almal1bre : ww ur soemthing else Almal1bre : so i can fail like u Almal1bre : whater muted ur waste of time Almal1bre : have u ever played sup before Almal1bre : actually whats ur div Almal1bre : actually funny Almal1bre : now sup mid and adbot solo Almal1bre : stya with ur sup mid lol its not hard Almal1bre : since ur the one premades flaming non stop and trolling and intning wastign our time Almal1bre : ive seen enough from u Almal1bre : the fun time when u play with 4 premades..4 Almal1bre : meanwhile 30 mins now Almal1bre : vlad why u int You constantl belittled and insult your team, and probably the enemy team as well, and you call for reports, which in this context is toxic behavior. #It doesn't matter if you see it that way. We, the community see it that way, and so does Riot. You don't decide what's toxic...we do. We decided, and you got banned. Justifiably so. >Assesing something wihout arguments isnt assement is facism which means just because i have the power to do something i don't care to present valid reasons or explantions. The reasons were explained to you over and over and over again. This is the last post I write in response to you, so I will make this clear one more time: #Insulting belitteling and calling for reports is toxic behavior. The ban is valid, and will not be lifted. Have a nice day.
: it's advice for ya, you seem dieheart hater commenting non stop ,you lossing your credibility
>you lossing your credibility With whom, with you? Don't worry, I don't care how credible I seem to some permabanned guy.
SanKakU (NA)
: why the spacebar? LoL app in overwolf
>And they check scoreboard more often than they use their ultimate abilities? Keeping the neemy teams builds in mind is more important than trying to GET KEEEEEELLLS by pressing ult everytime its up.
: Nor am I saying that Riot should have to do that. But if more frequent awareness on that detail could prevent toxicity, then why wouldn't you want to make players more aware?
Because its more fun to the non toxic people, to see the toxics suffer, cry and rage about their lost bling bling :D
: > On the contrary, that's exactly the point of this thread. > > You want part of a punishment lifted, for no better reason than saying "I do not want this part of the punishment." > > As I said before: Punishments are not meant to be convenient for the punished. Um, no it isn't? I have effectively 4 and half months to reform, and if we use last year's "deadline" as a model, it reads: > Players issued a ban of seven days or more in the three months prior to the end of the season (from August 7 on) are ineligible for this year’s rewards. Which means this has nothing to do with my situation. But, prior to my offense, it did not occur to me that I could be denied those rewards. Why? Because it is never mentioned until the end of season rewards are announced, and by that time, it's too late to reform in time to receive said rewards. And when you've never had problems with disciplinary action against your account, you tend to not notice that detail because it doesn't matter to you. It's never been relevant. > Say you play again next season...You lost this seasons end-of-season rewards...will you be more careful come the end of next season? Okay, since you seem to think this is about me: I will be careful all the time from here on forth, yes. Is that what you wanted to hear? And no, I'm going to be careful all the time, not just near end of season. Besides caring about my end of season rewards and not wanting to lose my account, I'm a perfectly fine player in all my games. It just so happens that one instance of misbehavior was enough to trigger a suspension. But, the reason for stating that it should be reminded to players at least at some point in the season (maybe not necessarily near the end of the season), is that like in my case, they may forget that they can lose out. So I think it would be nice to be made more aware of that angle of the punishment system, and it can also prevent some toxicity anyway, so what's the harm in notifying others again? You just said reducing toxicity is good if an offending player stops playing, so I presume you simply want toxicity to go down. So why not remind people a little more often that being toxic can deny them rewards?
>But, prior to my offense, it did not occur to me that I could be denied those rewards. Why? No one is required to spoon feed you information that is freely available on the internet.
: Your account is not secure if you chat to strangers online.
>I just think it's comedic how Riot gives you one single game to "reform" lol. No, they don't. After the 14day ban, you get ZERO games to reform. Either your behavior changes IMMEDIATELY, or you get the perma. Because the purpose of the 14day is not to give you more lenience, its to tell you that you get one last chance, before they decide that you have no place in this community. Your behavior did not change, therefore: #COMPLETELY JUSTIFIED BAN.
: And you are basing all of that on what? I know toxic people who play the game. They've been punished, their behavior doesn't change. Hell, one of them has been permabanned, he just got a new account and kept on being the same person. He doesn't care. If anything, they just adapt their behavior so it's harder for them to be perceived as "toxic". The "rewards" and "punishments" do not hold enough interest in their minds to keep them from not being mean to others. Keeping "rewards" from those who care is fair incentive to have them behave when they otherwise wouldn't, yes, but the idea that a person can never get something they were going to earn because of timing is counterproductive to that idea. I thought the idea we were going for is player reform? If you gave me 2 weeks off and brought me back but I can't get what I want for the time spent playing the game prior to the offense, then what reason do I have to care about the rules? I can be good for 3 months, 6 months, a year, still won't get what I had earned. I'm reformed, yet it doesn't matter to Riot, so why should the rules matter to me? All I'm saying is, punishment is fine, but extreme punishment does not help a person behave, and the idea of what is "Extreme" is subjective and based on circumstances, in my opinion. Using the hypothetical I presented, as someone who absolutely hates ranked and only plays 50-200 games of it per season just to get rewards, yes, I think it's an extreme response, which I consider problematic, thus this post. Quick Edit: Just so we're clear, the point of this thread is not me saying "Don't punish me". The very last paragraph in the first quote I had written makes that point clear. This is like Day 4 or something of me waiting out suspension, and I know I won't see key frag drops for a while. I'm not complaining about that. I accept punishment for breaking rules. I just want punishment to be reasonable and fair.
>And you are basing all of that on what? On the fact that misbehavior deserves punishment. All of society works that way. >I thought the idea we were going for is player reform? A little thought-experiment: Say you play again next season...You lost this seasons end-of-season rewards...will you be more careful come the end of next season? Of course you will. Because now you not only know, but EXPERIENCED first hand what happens if you don't. And should a punished person decide not to play league at all because of such an experience, well...in either case, toxicity in the game was reduced. >then what reason do I have to care about the rules? Quite a simple reason actually: If you continue to go against the rules, you get permabanned, and lose not only the End Of Season rewards, but your entire account. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}} >Quick Edit: Just so we're clear, the point of this thread is not me saying "Don't punish me". On the contrary, that's exactly the point of this thread. You want part of a punishment lifted, for no better reason than saying "I do not want this part of the punishment." As I said before: Punishments are not meant to be convenient for the punished.
: REQUEST: Tell Us When Misbehavior Can Deny Us End-Of-Season Rewards, or Change the Policy
>who is unlikely to repeat the behavior Actually, if you do not get punished, you are MORE likely to repeat it. >I'm a first-time offender Doesn't matter, neither does the age of the account. If anything, going from nothing to a 14day ban speaks against you, because being escalated to the 14day suspension immediately, means you really messed up. >If I were to be told that hours and hours of my ranked efforts were wasted because I wasted 15 minutes of another person's time, I would heavily consider not playing League anymore. Please don't expect anyone to care. >Why take away something that can never be earned again Because its called a "PUNISHMENT". Punishments are supposed to be inconvenient for the one who is punished, that's the point. >Option #2) Add a pop-up notification prompt agreement thingy You already agreed to punishments being implemented, when you clicked "I Agree" under the terms of service. No further notice is required. The fact that End-Of-Season rewards are dependent on good behavior, isn't a secret either, it has been that way for 2 seasons now. And by the way my friend, being nice to others should not be something that people have to be told to do. It should be a given.
: i did..My ping is low as normal...No need to say that in these 3 hours ive spent about 30 minutes entering and exiting the client just to get it started properly...I cant even see my stats or my profile..
>My ping is low as normal The ping is irrelevant. traceroute the riot servers and post the results (you may mask your own IP if priivacy is a concern).
: Thank you Riot
>great work guys...Best servers.. Tell me, if its the servers that are to blame, why aren't the boards flooded with similar complaints? If its the servers which cause the problem, we ALL would see the same problems, because we all connect to the same game servers.
: "Game the System"
Why should such posts be left standing, if they... * promote toxic behavior and... * ...are simply wrong. Because inting and feeding is punished daily, in fact its punished on the same level as racism and hate speech (instant escalation to 14day/permaban). You not acknowledging this fact, doesn't make it any less true.
Zozzi (OCE)
: You can't deny that this system is unfair towards players that get tilted off their team mates and have the human reaction to get annoyed, people just have triggers and riot bans them for being human. Bruh.
The system doesn't have to be fair towards people who get "tilted" and become toxic themselves. The system is in place to prevent toxicity...ALL TOXICITY. Do you think I don't get toxic morons in my games? But I do what a grown up does: I mute them, report them afterwards, and laugh privately when they get banned.
Zozzi (OCE)
: So they're are allowed to tilt him off the face of the earth and provoke him to say things that are only mildly toxic and then he gets permanently banned? Riot needs to start getting real about things.
If someone behaves toxic, he gets punished, period. This is not Kindergarten..._"he started it first!!!"_ doesn't count, and neither does _"but he hit me first so I HAD to punch him back!!!!"_. This is the grown up world. People here can be reasonably expected to keep their cool, even when facing morons in chat. If someone is toxic in chat and tries to "tilt"his teammates, mute that person and report him afterwards. If instead someone replies to him in kind, BOTH get punished for toxicity.
: Dude you do realise looking at your comments all around my post(spamming hate comments non stop xd) it screams that you're just a hater because i made fun of your very first comment bottom of the page earlier with your "really interesting reallife work example" xd,chill take a beer and lay back. Sorry i made fun of you but you were asking for it with your trollie hater behaviour xd LoL Now im insulting OTHERS too here lol what are you on, wait were you one of the trolling premades that gone 1-14?xd cause def you sound like one :P My chatlogs dont say otherwise thats why i posted them,and yes i agree toxicity isnt accepted thats why ban didnt have grounds for it without real arguments.
>Sorry i made fun of you but you were asking for it Oh I'm sorry, are you under the impression that your comments bother me? Because I assure you, that's not the case. >My chatlogs dont say otherwise thats why i posted them Your chatlogs contain multiple insults, report threats, blame, belitteling and similar toxic content. Wheter or not you agree on that assessment is completely irrelevant.
Arduno (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Martensitic,realm=EUW,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=OEcLTyQI,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-06-21T14:23:34.792+0000) > > > Unlikely. > The ancient egyptian writing system was inconvenient and clumsy even at the time it was used. Technological advancement would have seen it replaced by an Alphabetic system like the greeks were using at the time. https://blog.hutong-school.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/closer-hanzi.original.png If thats right why does this still exist? mehehehehehehehehe
> [{quoted}](name=Arduno,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=OEcLTyQI,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2017-06-21T14:57:51.247+0000) > > https://blog.hutong-school.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/closer-hanzi.original.png > > If thats right why does this still exist? > mehehehehehehehehe That's a very good question, and guess what: Every Chinese IT guy, who has to suffer through the compatibility issues between ASCII 0-127 (which is used in coding) and the Chinese script (which requires either UNICODe or full blown UTF-16)... ...is asking himself that same question, every single day of his life
: GET over it, just see your solo comments all around this post. Must have been around 10 at least xdlol
So? And if I write 100 comments in a particular thread, that's my business.
: chill find some other post, your time here is over xd ,lol 3rd section comment within a single post really shows your intentions brother xd
>your time here is over You have no authority to tell me where to write, about what, and in what thread.
Arduno (NA)
: The Egyptians conquered the world instead of the Romans
FYI: The Romans did not "conquer the world". My ancestors are from scandinavia, my recent ancestors from northern Germany. _"North of the Rhein"_ was were roman legions went to never be heard of again ;-) >Would we be writing in glyph's? Unlikely. The ancient egyptian writing system was inconvenient and clumsy even at the time it was used. Technological advancement would have seen it replaced by an Alphabetic system like the greeks were using at the time. >Would we all believe in Ra? Do we believe in god? Most people in western cultures either don't really give a damn about religion, or are agnostic/atheist. I doubt that would have changed if our ancestors prayed to Ra instead of Jupiter. >Would our days be the same? Fun story, yes they would, because our time system which divides each day into 24 hours was developed in ancient egypt :D Its based on the way egyptians used to count numbers with their hands...using the thumb to run along the segments of the other 4 fingers. Each finger other than the thumb has 3 segments...so 4 x 3 = 12, and two hands = 24.
Glîtchy (NA)
: How exactly was I toxic?
>as a "lack of communication" report That report doesn't even exist any more, and even while it did, it was a placebo that didn't do anything. And yes this is confirmed by Redposts. I am too lazy to google right now, if you want the proof, google it yourself.
: Why did i get banned?
Chat logs, or your case is not even worth discussing.
: it's about the right time and right place. (where the troll premades will happen) privilages of late night playing.
Oh I got threatened with reports by premades more times than I can count. Still nothing happened to me, because I do not insult or belittle my fellow players, or threaten them with reports.
: He didn't gave answers nor arguments, toxicity didn't continue (if you read above and below you would see), and it isn't my opinion,,you dont even wanna know about my personal opinion. Here we speak about justice and terms that are universaly accepted. Hhm the community..interesting so you enjoy a system where reports of actual inters and trollers (possibly underage as well since no grown up would behave that way unless is mentally "challenged") that waste your time you actually want to be given serious gravity. Interesting and dangerous. lol your the same dude with the below troll comment.. ha we found a hater xd
>toxicity didn't continue Your own chatlogs say otherwise. >Here we speak about justice and terms that are universaly accepted. Exactly. And toxicity is universally not accepted. The permaban was a just decision. >interesting so you enjoy a system where reports of actual inters and trollers (possibly underage as well since no grown up would behave that way unless is mentally "challenged") You do realize, that you are not helping your case here, right? If you can't even stop insulting others here on the boards, how is anyone supposed to believe that you changed your behavior?
: So the only way to play this game is disabling chat completely. Gj riot for totally ruining a good game with this bullshit system
I chat all the time, including jokes and strong language. And yet, here I stand, not banned. Wanna know how I do it? Manners.
: Post chat logs when you get them in your email. It's not very likely a rioter will post on here.
Chat logs are no longer sent out via EMail, they can only be accessed by logging into the game client. Link: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/MgXB3cYb-got-permaban-without-flamingriot-shows-no-evidence?comment=000500000000
Kartagia (EUNE)
: This gets downvoted: Meta is a lie
>This gets downvoted ...because its on the wrong board.
: Basically, when i asked for gank he immediately said kys, i will fuck up your lane and I wont gank, his premade defending him all the time, etc.
And you think the misbehavior of others excuses your own? Becaus...no, it doesn't.
: Unfair permaban
>innocent player gets banned Literallyevery other line in that chatlog was either an insult, belitteling, QQ or a report threat. Innocent? No. #BAN DESERVED.
xVnFEmma (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=MgXB3cYb,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-06-20T18:20:30.030+0000) > > You're posting a single chat log. 3 were given in your reform card, so you should post them all here. You are negative/harassing in over 25% of all your games. > > You were 14-day banned not long ago, and warned that the next would be a perma. > > I can certainly post all of the games were in your reform card here, but you've already seen them all. Rito is banning the shit out of everyone who is actually talking in the chat. Write more than 10 lines per game and you will be punished at some point.
Strange, I talk in chat all the time, including joking and strong language. And yet, here I am, not banned.
: > Well i did receive one only in my email, thus why i posted only this one We don't send chat logs to email anymore. The only way they are viewed is by attempting to login and viewing them on the reform card screen. > What my 14day has anything to do with the last one? There is an escalation ladder. 10-game CR, 25-game CR, 14-day ban, perma-ban
>We don't send chat logs to email anymore. Ahhh...okay. It wouldve been nice to put that fact on display somewhere...this would have resolved a lot of confusion in the discussions over at the EUW boards... {{sticker:zombie-nunu-bummed}} In case you did put it out, and we just overlooked it, sorry, mea culpa.
: I have made many points in my text above which you seem to ignore,on purpose or not, you haven't gave answers to any of it. i know the process i didn't ask that, the point of escaltion is the continuation of same behaviour which obviously wasn't,i asked with many points the justice behind it. Unless your system is like robotic and not actual judgement system so in situations that are more "colourful" than your black and white enviroment then the system goes nuts and have no idea how to handle it. And as you can see by my post i have updated the chat logs as well here to show you that they aren't chat logs for someone that should have been permabanned. Review my points and tell me where am i wrong exactly.
>I have made many points in my text above which you seem to ignore,on purpose or not, you haven't gave answers to any of He answered all the questions. You just don't like the answer, but that's not his problem. >is the continuation of same behaviour which obviously wasn't Toxicity continued. I call that "continuation of behavior". >they aren't chat logs for someone that should have been permabanned. That may be your opinion. Its the opinon of the community that decides what is okay and what is not.
: bro you re totallly out of discussion either use correct and complete arguments on the topic or stop the spam
Still waiting for the 23 examples. Oh and, you spam your own thread, so you don't really get to tell me what to do.
: > http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1022160/More-Science-Behind-Shaping-Player > > Here is a talk given by Jeffrey Lin (aka. Riot Lyte) himself about how Riot _"leverages machine learning to "learn" at massive scale **what players believe is OK or not OK in the community** and deliver feedback to players, and how these cutting-edge techniques can be applied to curate any online community. "_ The key word there is "leverages". The communities opinions are leveraged against Riots. Riots opinions will always be superior. Also, notice the phrase "what players believe". The community tells Riot what they "believe". Riot then decides what to do. > https://spark-summit.org/2017/events/combating-abusive-language-in-chat-with-apache-spark/ It is hard to get past Riots wall of bull shit. The first problem I noticed when they started talking about context. They used the awful example, "I am out of". That is a horrible example of context clues because it provides very little context. All a machine would do is tell you which words most likely fit. It does not determine context. "So the word defect model is a neural model that actually takes these contexts and **TRIES TO PREDICT THE WORDS THAT BELONG IN THEM**." There is a slide, "words similar to GJ". All of those words are programmed by Riot. The community did use those words. Riot decided the intent though. They even admit it when they get to the "rekt" part. They use the computer to guess at the meaning of a word. Then we get to the "golden data set". Hand picked words by Riot. > and yes, it is thus the community that decides which behavior is toxic, and which isn't. Riot has the only vote. The community can lobby for a decision, Riot still has the only vote. If you don't understand by now you won't ever.
>The key word there is "leverages". The communities opinions are leveraged against Riots. Riots opinions will always be superior. Assumptions backed up by nothing. >Also, notice the phrase "what players believe". The community tells Riot what they "believe". Riot then decides what to do. Picking words to make up for non existent arguments. >It is hard to get past Riots wall of bull shit. Riot is in charge? Riot is talking bullshit? Make up your mind. >Riot has the only vote. The community can lobby for a decision, Riot still has the only vote. If you don't understand by now you won't ever. Trying to sound tough wont hide lack of arguments either. --- --- I am done here. You have presented no arguments, no evidence, nothing to back up your assumptions. Bye.
: If we do not set an example for those less civil than us, how do we expect them to ever know better?
If we set a civil example even in the face of people who intentionally do not, we open ourselves up for defeat. Its the same with tolerance, and I quote Benjamin Franklin: _"In defense of Tolerance, Intolerance cannot be tolerated."_
: Physical violence should not be compared to verbal violence. Especially when you have a mute button. Yes, it's shitty when others are toxic to us, but retaliating and fighting fire with fire is out of line.
>Physical violence should not be compared to verbal violence. I am not. You are missing the point. Decency is, similar to respect, dependent on the actions of more than one person. It is not something that can be taken for granted.
: Respect is earned, however common decency is owed.
Decency is owed to those who are decent themselves. I do not find it decent to punch people in the face. However, if someone attacked me on the streets, I would punch him without a moments hesitation.
: Dude after lvl 7 nasus just shits on riven if he hasn't died
I know that. Most rivens don't :-)
: Compassion and success
I fully believe in being compassionate towards others. However, I also believe in banning toxic morons who make this game a living hell for others, because compassion is not something that any sentient being is automatically deserving of, its something that is EARNED, same as respect.
: Would it be possible for riot to change the wording for suspensions?
"Locked" doesn't have the connotation of "not available because of something you did". You don't get "locked out" of school, you get "suspended" from school. There is a big difference there.
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