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Araethas (NA)
: .
> [{quoted}](name=Araethas,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yRJnH6Er,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-01-28T12:28:40.951+0000) > > . good point.
Rioter Comments
: Who was the person on the balancing team who thought Jayce should had got a buff?
Probably the same person who designed yasuo or the same person who reworked kata or who designed camil .... someone at Riot really likes making strong champions with overloaded kits.
Ladrac (EUNE)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Ladrac,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=36Lp4AM1,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-01-17T14:32:32.794+0000) > > If you "play quite well," then why you re bronze II? I'm not , and I've never been in bronze that was just an example.
: Being matched via division would make lower elo cry more than they already do. Smurfs who play against bronze and silvers for more than 3 games are really bad smurfs then haha but if this was implemented then a smurf would play against true b2 or wherever they are and that would not be fair. Also this would kill higher elo where the number of people is extremely less than gold-
> [{quoted}](name=Live2LetDie,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=36Lp4AM1,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-01-17T14:23:13.164+0000) > > Being matched via division would make lower elo cry more than they already do. Smurfs who play against bronze and silvers for more than 3 games are really bad smurfs then haha but if this was implemented then a smurf would play against true b2 or wherever they are and that would not be fair. > > Also this would kill higher elo where the number of people is extremely less than gold- Actually any smurf would need more than 3 games to get out of any devision as you can only gain 30 lp max per game , so if they could make it like 50lp with a high enough mmr then smurfs would climb faster
: You don't seem to understand that your idea that people should only be playing against people in their rank, like bronze 2 vs bronze 2 incredibly limits the amount of people available for matchmaking, making que times overall worse. On top of that, if your mmr reaches that of a silver4/3 then the system thinks you are good enough to be matched with them, which may very well be the case. I smurf often and I see very little difference between Bronze2-Silver3. If a considerably higher ranked player is matched against your team, then chances are that person has been playing like dog shit and won't be playing too well. The system is fine.
> [{quoted}](name=Ad Vitam Aeterna,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=36Lp4AM1,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-01-17T14:18:44.366+0000) > > You don't seem to understand that your idea that people should only be playing against people in their rank, like bronze 2 vs bronze 2 incredibly limits the amount of people available for matchmaking, making que times overall worse. On top of that, if your mmr reaches that of a silver4/3 then the system thinks you are good enough to be matched with them, which may very well be the case. I smurf often and I see very little difference between Bronze2-Silver3. If a considerably higher ranked player is matched against your team, then chances are that person has been playing like dog shit and won't be playing too well. > > The system is fine. I'm not saying bronze 2 should only be faced with bronze but I'm saying the gap should not be that big.
Rioter Comments
: > too much escapes What. > low risk high reward You realize they removed her ward hop?
> [{quoted}](name=Titz n Ashe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yzPfyLLr,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-01-17T01:53:48.576+0000) > > What. > > You realize they removed her ward hop? She has more escapes with her resets than she ever did with ward hop.
ph1234k (NA)
: More than 99% of Kat's are bad.
> [{quoted}](name=ph1234k,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yzPfyLLr,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-17T00:16:35.105+0000) > > More than 99% of Kat's are bad. Then you're probably playing in bronze if you face that many bad kats, she does have a high skill base after all but so does yasuo and it's no reason to not give a champ counterplay . + most of her player base being bad is not an argument as she is over powered and broken in the right hand.
RexSaur (NA)
: Honestly Riven and yasuo arent anywhere close to being overpowered like kat is right now (yasuo is just a little bit, riven is not at all).
> [{quoted}](name=RexSaur,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yzPfyLLr,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-01-17T00:11:37.058+0000) > > Honestly Riven and yasuo arent anywhere close to being overpowered like kat is right now (yasuo is just a little bit, riven is not at all). True riven does not have the dmg kat gets at level 2 but I just added her cuz she's one of the champions that can only outplay themselves.
ph1234k (NA)
: No, so much is wrong here. She is an extremely high risk champ. requiring a TON of skill to succeed. This is the reason I LOVE when my enemy picks her, same with Yasuo, I get a free lane because they are so easy to outplay. Her damage and mobility rely on her daggers and resets which are easy as hell to control. You don't stand on them and they don't hurt you. Perhqps she knows how to play and actually leads with Shunpo and you still just move immediately and she deals no damage. EDIT: P.S. If you kill ANYONE, it is because they fucked up. Kills happen due to mistakes.
> [{quoted}](name=ph1234k,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yzPfyLLr,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-01-17T00:09:55.888+0000) > > No, so much is wrong here. She is an extremely high risk champ. requiring a TON of skill to succeed. > > This is the reason I LOVE when my enemy picks her, same with Yasuo, I get a free lane because they are so easy to outplay. > > Her damage and mobility rely on her daggers and resets which are easy as hell to control. You don't stand on them and they don't hurt you. Perhqps she knows how to play and actually leads with Shunpo and you still just move immediately and she deals no damage. You're probably playing against bad kats she is currently pick or ban and everyone knows it.
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=MisterJulia,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5Fvl6Kw1,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-01-16T23:20:17.954+0000) > > And having a jungler that would camp the shit out of his ftiends lane is not an advantage? No, because while 2 people on TeamSpeak benefits just them, everyone would take advantage of the knowledge of who's together if that were a thing. 5 people would have an advantage knowing who to target if they were trying to agitate a duo.
> [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5Fvl6Kw1,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-16T23:22:38.183+0000) > > No, because while 2 people on TeamSpeak benefits just them, everyone would take advantage of the knowledge of who's together if that were a thing. 5 people would have an advantage knowing who to target if they were trying to agitate a duo. Then the duo is the one who has to play around it as they chose to play duo and not the solo player. What you are suggesting is letting the duo have advantage and punish the solo player since he won't get the same attention from his jungler. And btw in most games by the time team fights start ppl most likely know if there's a duo in game cuz ganking a lane 3 or 4 times even though the jungler doesn't get anything from these ganks pretty much tells it .this information will only help the solo laner to prevent the first 2 or 3 ganks before he notices that they're a duo.
: No, this also gives you game advantage. If you *know* someone is part of a duo, you can easily target that enemy in game and bait his friend into coming to his aid, dragging his friend from where ever he is on the map.
> [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5Fvl6Kw1,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-01-16T23:17:18.350+0000) > > No, this also gives you game advantage. If you *know* someone is part of a duo, you can easily target that enemy in game and bait his friend into coming to his aid, dragging his friend from where ever he is on the map. And having a jungler that would camp the shit out of his friend's lane is not an advantage?
Rioter Comments
yoshi2790 (EUW)
: Rift Herald is.... Pretty... useless.
that's why you don't get Rift Herald unless you're ahead.
: Draaaaaven
he's no an assassin so it's balanced :3
Arakadia (NA)
: If this was true, his winrate would be like 20%. I've seen Talons and played Talon. He can burst you quite well still.
> [{quoted}](name=Arakadia,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=V1HAXUmQ,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2016-12-16T00:33:05.522+0000) > > If this was true, his winrate would be like 20%. I've seen Talons and played Talon. He can burst you quite well still. he can burst before the 20 min mark, but after that he just falls off hard even if fed. Talon does have damage but it's DOT and the condition to proc it takes too long that any decent player will have u killed before procing it.
Volcanuz (OCE)
: > you can't even 1v1 most ADCs if not all , besides only ashe i Think and that's only if she's alon without her supp, then maybe you have a chance maybe... Okay you lost me here. If you can't solo ADC with your full combo you are building wrong or just suck. Seriously the only ADC that should be able to stop you is Cait if she is ready for it, and Quinn. Everyone else is dead meat.
> [{quoted}](name=Volcanuz,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=V1HAXUmQ,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2016-12-16T00:36:49.483+0000) > > Okay you lost me here. > > If you can't solo ADC with your full combo you are building wrong or just suck. Seriously the only ADC that should be able to stop you is Cait if she is ready for it, and Quinn. Everyone else is dead meat. well then you can try it yourself and try to 1v1 an ezreal or a vayne , a draven .... and the list goes on . if the player is remotly decent have fun trying to reach them before you're dead.
Arakadia (NA)
: > With the current Talon I can go 20/2 kills and still die to a 4/7 ezreal wich is bullshit. That exaggeration is bullshit.
> [{quoted}](name=Arakadia,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=V1HAXUmQ,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2016-12-14T08:11:48.883+0000) > > That exaggeration is bullshit. no exaggeration play the new Talon and you'd know . this is 100% true.
Rioter Comments
: @Riot Meddler Any plans on changing Talon or Zed
Talon is pretty much dead and riot just stopped talking about him so I don't think they're gonna look at him. But zed was always riot's most loved assassin so they'll probably do something about him.
Chroyo (NA)
: My first penta of the year was with Yasuo
what has been done cannot be undone.
Tukan Tonko (EUNE)
: Well, you can't judge champion just because he can't carry/ because he fall of late game. Talon is an early game assassin. You need to create a lead with him, you can waveclear with him pretty well, so if you can't kill your enemy on mid you should go roam to bot or top, so you can create advantages for your team. That's what he is all about, creating advantages. If you have good team and you get ahead, you will win. Sure, Talon will fall of, just like many other champions. He also dont have many tools to deal with tanks just like other assassins. But his mobility is insane. You need to consider your weaknesses and strengths. He is just a very balanced champion in a world of, well, you know, right? He may feel a bit weak, but not for me. When I play him I always get huge. And I have a lot of fun with him, so I don't really care if I lose when the game is good. I am not Talon main, so I can't really judge how he is right now. In my honest opinion I think he is good. Remember when he got reworked? Everyone said that he is OP and broken. Then players learned how to play against him and whoop, he is weak. I think it's just because people need to learn how to play him to his greatest potential as well. And it may take some time. And pros, well... we are not pros, we are average players. What works in worlds won't work in soloQ and vice versa. And you just can't judge champion because pro player lost a game with him. They lose as well. And Faker just lost against main support in 1v1 Yasuo mirror match. So we now know he is human, too. xD
> [{quoted}](name=Fasko,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=V1HAXUmQ,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-12-14T01:08:34.022+0000) > > Well, you can't judge champion just because he can't carry/ because he fall of late game. Talon is an early game assassin. You need to create a lead with him, you can waveclear with him pretty well, so if you can't kill your enemy on mid you should go roam to bot or top, so you can create advantages for your team. That's what he is all about, creating advantages. If you have good team and you get ahead, you will win. Sure, Talon will fall of, just like many other champions. He also dont have many tools to deal with tanks just like other assassins. But his mobility is insane. You need to consider your weaknesses and strengths. > > He is just a very balanced champion in a world of, well, you know, right? He may feel a bit weak, but not for me. When I play him I always get huge. And I have a lot of fun with him, so I don't really care if I lose when the game is good. I am not Talon main, so I can't really judge how he is right now. In my honest opinion I think he is good. Remember when he got reworked? Everyone said that he is OP and broken. Then players learned how to play against him and whoop, he is weak. I think it's just because people need to learn how to play him to his greatest potential as well. And it may take some time. > > And pros, well... we are not pros, we are average players. What works in worlds won't work in soloQ and vice versa. And you just can't judge champion because pro player lost a game with him. They lose as well. And Faker just lost against main support in 1v1 Yasuo mirror match. So we now know he is human, too. xD I didn't really care when I was unable to carry games with Talon even though I was super fed and I thought I just had to learn him more. But when I saw that pros/High Elo Players are having the same problems with him I saw how weak he's really is. When I get 20+ kills with anychampion at the 20 min mark I can expect to carry really hard even if I'm playing a soraka I'd expect to carry with that lead . Why not with Talon? if you play him you can't 1v1 and you can't TeamFight and you can't split push(like a singed or a nasus) the point is you add nothing to the team you're just there with 20+ kills doing nothing. I didn't say that he is weak cuz pros lost few games with him . But rather cuz they said he was weak. here's a riot employee's opinion on the matter https://clips.twitch.tv/leagueoflegends/BeautifulJaguarTinyFace
Tukan Tonko (EUNE)
: What's wrong with Talon? I find him fun to play and his damage is just allright. Why do you think he is bad?
> [{quoted}](name=Fasko,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=V1HAXUmQ,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-12-14T00:16:59.711+0000) > > What's wrong with Talon? I find him fun to play and his damage is just allright. > > Why do you think he is bad? if you play with him long enough you'll notice that you have no control over your games after the 20 min mark , it doesn't matter if you're crazy super fed you can in no way carry anygame , you can't even 1v1 most ADCs if not all , besides only ashe i Think and that's only if she's alon without her supp, then maybe you have a chance maybe... they improved his laning phase alot with making him less mana hungry with his W yet they removed his blink and reduced his MS making it impossible to dodge any skill shots + most midlane champs are ranged champs with cc and you're only engage tool is your Q that has small range(550) and a it's very telegraphed making it a dead sentence for you to engage with it against any decent player.They put all of his damage onto his passive wich is impossible to proc against any decent player since you need w+q+aa to proc it and w is very slow and can easily be dodged with the least amount of reaction. Not to mention his ult does 0 damage that most people just use it for repositioning now. So basicly he was left with 2 damage sources at most Q and passive besides that other abilities do no real damage. even bjergsen and scarra said he was weak, and it's the reason I think no pros are playing him anymore. I even saw a game of faker playing Talon where he was 11/2 and stomping early game really hard just to get dumpstered mid/late game and faile to carry the game and he ended with 11/8 I think.
Rioter Comments
Akenero (NA)
: It's just a matter of finding the right people to delete. Assassins have always had the same goal: Kill enemy carries, get out Talon does that better than anyone in my opinion, since he can wall jump.
> [{quoted}](name=Akenero,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MA1ncZYZ,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-12-13T08:29:00.348+0000) > > It's just a matter of finding the right people to delete. Assassins have always had the same goal: Kill enemy carries, get out > Talon does that better than anyone in my opinion, since he can wall jump. he can wall jump but he can't kill Any decent player after level 2.
: "Talons weak right now"
https://clips.twitch.tv/leagueoflegends/BeautifulJaguarTinyFace And he's just avoiding to say talon is shit .
: "Talons weak right now"
Bjergsen said he is weak , scarra said he is weak. I have a video with a riot employee being interviewed and he said :"Talon does not keep up with other assassins". But hey we have a silver player who never played Talon saying other wise so we must believe him.
MagÊ (EUW)
: What if Talon can't use his E while taking damage?
Riot said his e was about escaping and being hard to catch so I doubt they're gonna do that.
: Does new Kat now have a chance in lane against Talon or...
When did ever stomp kat, when did the reworked Talon stomp anyone in midlane?
Terumie (EUW)
: Talon is fun and frustrating
you can even have 20+ kills at the 20 min mark but after that you will be useless if not even feeding.
: You really have to look at things from a gameplay perspective. At the end of the day, League of Legends is a GAME and GAMES are intended to be fun. Challenges are supposed to have counterplay and opportunities to win. Most of the community had determined a while ago that dealing with a fed assassin isn't fun. When you feel helpless, you're not having fun, you're just getting frustrated.
> [{quoted}](name=Run Down Mid,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zjdxWghY,comment-id=00020000000000010000000000000001,timestamp=2016-12-12T23:54:08.277+0000) > > You really have to look at things from a gameplay perspective. > > At the end of the day, League of Legends is a GAME and GAMES are intended to be fun. Challenges are supposed to have counterplay and opportunities to win. Most of the community had determined a while ago that dealing with a fed assassin isn't fun. When you feel helpless, you're not having fun, you're just getting frustrated. dealing with any fed champion is not supposed to be fun , that's the whole point of being fed and among all the assassins Talon had the most counterplay if fed : you always know who is he going for, you know where he's going to land, he will porbably die after engaging, the goal of any Talon was to take someone down with hil cuz once you engage with Talon you are most likely dead, and if any ADC builds a single one defensive Item Talon can no longer one shot them, they can build A sterak's gage and 1V1 Talon if they want, the current Talon can't 1V1 an ADC even if he builds full ad and I guess that's what the ADC players want : the power to build full AD and not die when you're caught out of position.
Akenero (NA)
: I personally find him super fun, and play him relatively well in my elo
> [{quoted}](name=Akenero,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MA1ncZYZ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-12-12T23:29:42.884+0000) > > I personally find him super fun, and play him relatively well in my elo he is fun, but I can't imagine playing him in ranked, I had games where I went 28/5 or a similar score yet I can never carry with him.
Shaydrox (EUW)
: @Meddler - What do you currently think about Talon?
I think he needs more than buffs , his total rework need to be rethought, they focused too much on how to make him reach his targets faster without actually giving him anything to kill his target , like you're there u reached your target now what, how do you actually get in melee range of them before they escape you have no MS so they will outrun you and you can't dodge skill shots cuz of the MS again and you have no gap closer exept for Q wich is a death sentence if they have cc and if they don't they can just walk away from you when you Q them since the w slow won't apply untill the w is coming back and it is more than easy to dodge , and honestly even if you land all of your spells you can't expect to kill anyone with that weak damage ,and this is only in a 1v1 situation, in a team fight you are completely useless might as well let your team 4v5.
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: > [{quoted}](name=MisterJulia,realm=EUW,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=miruKe0Q,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-12-11T19:03:35.589+0000) > > Talon? really , are we playing the same game. Talon is shit right now, you might wonna check his win rate http://na.op.gg/statistics/champion/ , he's number 125 at the end of the list with Kalista and Azir, and all the dead champions. I'm _Talon_ you bro, this joke is over your head!
> [{quoted}](name=theArtifacts,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=miruKe0Q,comment-id=00040001,timestamp=2016-12-12T03:44:31.053+0000) > > I'm _Talon_ you bro, this joke is over your head! didn't see I was in the memes section xD mb
: I feel like too much power is in his passive... like for real, shit does too much damage and needs to be put elsewhere imo. having 2x more dmg at level 1 than you get with ult is kind of crazy.
> [{quoted}](name=EndlessIsolation,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zjdxWghY,comment-id=001a,timestamp=2016-12-12T21:37:56.250+0000) > > I feel like too much power is in his passive... like for real, shit does too much damage and needs to be put elsewhere imo. having 2x more dmg at level 1 than you get with ult is kind of crazy. that's only cuz his ult does no dammage like an aa does more than his ult + there's no way to proc your passive off against any decent player everyone can easily dodge the w comeback.
Dengeden (EUW)
: Talon was pick/ban in high elo before dropping off the radar. I suggest you give it time and not use champion.gg's shaky statisitcs to justify buffing him.
> [{quoted}](name=Dengeden,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zjdxWghY,comment-id=0012,timestamp=2016-12-12T20:10:29.901+0000) > > Talon was pick/ban in high elo before dropping off the radar. I suggest you give it time and not use champion.gg's shaky statisitcs to justify buffing him. Talon was never pick or ban in any elo not after his E silence nerf at least wich was like in season 3. And if you played Talon before you would know why he was not played in high elo Talon was good at punishing mistakes, wich high elo players don't tend to do much + no matter who you are laning against in midlane there's no way you get a kill in a 1v1 unless your enemy laner made a mistake. So what people did with talon was waiting for mistakes from their enemy laner like missing a skill shot and over extending while their skill shot is on cd.
Cloud273 (NA)
: Hecarim is played more, banned more, and wins more than Yasuo...
I would Still rather play against a team with a Hecarim + vayne + blitz than play against a Team that has a yasuo.
: I just figured out why I hate Talon, Kat, and Darius
Talon? really , are we playing the same game. Talon is shit right now, you might wonna check his win rate http://na.op.gg/statistics/champion/ , he's number 125 at the end of the list with Kalista and Azir, and all the dead champions.
: See people like you, we call you *cough* bronze
> [{quoted}](name=Jargon Wan,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4KiuKWeP,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-12-10T20:27:08.537+0000) > > See people like you, we call you *cough* bronze Oh the irony xDDDD
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Rioter Comments
: Is it possible to get S with support morg?
I got S+ on Morg alot of times by getting more kills than deaths and having +30 assissts, meaning u need some kills to get your S.
: Isn't diamond eu like gold 3 in na?
> [{quoted}](name=Sorakas Tits,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bZPecHB0,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-12-04T20:30:59.763+0000) > > Isn't diamond eu like gold 3 in na? nah it's the other way around.
Jon1174 (NA)
: I find the best counter to zed is to kill him,works well for me
> [{quoted}](name=Jon1174,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BNU44YAE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-12-04T22:10:46.799+0000) > > I find the best counter to zed is to kill him,works well for me but so is every other champ in the game don't u think? xD
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Gladiore (NA)
: Fizz Very weak?
fizz is weak? are we playing the same game? o.o
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