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: Yeah because Jhin and Ashe aren't the best soloq adcs right now.
> [{quoted}](name=Freelo Robot,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4YrOp8Em,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-08-01T17:29:31.542+0000) > > Yeah because Jhin and Ashe aren't the best soloq adcs right now. i'm talking about frustration, not power you could win every game and still have a bad time
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: HF?
> [{quoted}](name=Lastboss42,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gdxzf3xE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-07-16T12:15:59.880+0000) > > HF? Have Fun
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: becuase he is an idiot that can't understand things. I am not mad. I am just pointing out that it is very hard to balance or work someone into pro play.
> [{quoted}](name=Marshbouy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4NoLnLwr,comment-id=00010000000100000001,timestamp=2016-06-28T23:04:25.702+0000) > > becuase he is an idiot that can't understand things. > I am not mad. I am just pointing out that it is very hard to balance or work someone into pro play. Sorry then i completely misunderstood (actually i even got a bug on boards visualization apparently: can't see who you replied to).
: because this guy is "special" it takes a lot of effort to balance her into pro play.
> [{quoted}](name=Marshbouy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4NoLnLwr,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2016-06-28T21:52:05.502+0000) > > because this guy is "special" > it takes a lot of effort to balance her into pro play. Idk why are you so mad and why is everyone so mad, i explicity said this topic is talking about competitive play, not magical soloQ land where people eat your Qs like nothing.
: https://champion.gg/champion/MissFortune 53.93% win rate and you're waiting buffs? Are you drunk? Why are you want competitive?
> [{quoted}](name=Akatsuki Deidara,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4NoLnLwr,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-06-28T20:38:39.978+0000) > > https://champion.gg/champion/MissFortune > > 53.93% win rate and you're waiting buffs? > > Are you drunk? > > Why are you want competitive? Why do you bring out soloQ winrates in a topic explicitly talking about competitive play.
Meddler (NA)
: We don't have any current plans for MF. We don't balance solely around pro play to begin with, even there though she's been picked a couple of times in the last couple of weeks (LPL and EU LCS) which suggests she's in a reasonable spot.
> [{quoted}](name=Meddler,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4NoLnLwr,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-06-28T19:54:35.264+0000) > > We don't have any current plans for MF. We don't balance solely around pro play to begin with, even there though she's been picked a couple of times in the last couple of weeks (LPL and EU LCS) which suggests she's in a reasonable spot. I mean i didn't even expect a comment so fast actually lol, so thank you in advance. Anyways, here's a link to a topic wich i wrote that went basically unnoticed but i thought it was a worth read http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/VgL0AUMQ-little-fix-to-miss-fortunes-skill-set-to-make-her-laning-less-oppressive-and-her-versatility-higher Maybe it' s a pile of crap or maybe it's half true, but it would be cool if you have time to tell me what do you think. If you haven't got time no problem.
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: Lol I'd have no problem with 'nonstandard ADCs' if they didn't destroy 'standard ADCs' in every aspect ever The only AA-centric ADC that's decent right now is Cait. Lucian is too dominant, especially with his 'korean build' that gives him way too much damage way too soon in the game, and he doesn't even fall off.
> [{quoted}](name=LaserDeathBlade,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gKZYk7bv,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-05-29T00:52:58.776+0000) > > Lol I'd have no problem with 'nonstandard ADCs' if they didn't destroy 'standard ADCs' in every aspect ever Lucian is broken and he's getting nerfed, but rest are (imho) kinda fine. What i'm saying is that people are saying Yomumu/BC/duskblade should get nerfed for rangeds, but this is BS: crit-AA itemization should get fixed/buffed instead.
: Tbh, I am not even sure what could (and should) be done with IE to give the crit-based ADCs a fix in their itemization. However, Black Cleaver on ADCs instead of Last Whisper is honestly something I do not think that should be punished nor discouraged, as it is a healthy anti-Armor option with its own merits and drawbacks, compared to LW items and Youmuu's.
> [{quoted}](name=ProfDrDeath,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gKZYk7bv,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-05-28T23:26:29.097+0000) > > Tbh, I am not even sure what could (and should) be done with IE to give the crit-based ADCs a fix in their itemization. > > However, Black Cleaver on ADCs instead of Last Whisper is honestly something I do not think that should be punished nor discouraged, as it is a healthy anti-Armor option with its own merits and drawbacks, compared to LW items and Youmuu's. Exactly...like...everyone is saying BC is broken on ADCs like what?... 3 champions use that...MF, Lucian and (possibly) Ashe, and no one except Lucian is problematic.
: Nerf it for ranged {{item:3147}} needs to be melee only {{item:3071}} Has half max stacks on range champs {{item:3142}} is actually pretty fine,twitch still bought it even before the marksmen update
> [{quoted}](name=Derpyon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FA22xbgL,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-05-28T04:59:55.997+0000) > > {{item:3071}} Has half max stacks on range champs You're crazy, this would make MF terribad
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: You want to do bot lane a favor? Fucking nerf this new moronic caitlyn, lucian might be overpowered, but at least he's not a retarded piece of shit.
> [{quoted}](name=manbearswine,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=p4QR1PAk,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2016-05-15T16:13:52.516+0000) > > You want to do bot lane a favor? > > Fucking nerf this new moronic caitlyn, lucian might be overpowered, but at least he's not a retarded piece of shit. is your EUW Imnotoriginal7?
: @Meddler Are there any plans for Ezreal and Lucian?
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: 13 out of 18 adcs have a winrate of 50 or higher
Lucian's been unbearable: 54% pickrate and 50.5% winrate in diamond, and people tell me he's balanced kek. 200 less range on ult just wasn't enough, he's also got like 96% pickrate @ MSI and has been the most picked champion in competitive since preseason.
Zerolera (NA)
: At max CDR assuming you're hitting your combo perfectly. The vayne 2 seconds tumble without ANY cdr seems to disagree with you.
> [{quoted}](name=Zerolera,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6bvhQpt7,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2016-05-03T15:09:05.164+0000) > > At max CDR assuming you're hitting your combo perfectly. The vayne 2 seconds tumble without ANY cdr seems to disagree with you. Do you realize you get 40% CDR with 2 items + boots nowadays LOL. ER-shiv-ionian boots gives you 40% CDR, and this is 20 minutes into the game. I think Vayne's tumble has lower range tbh
Zerolera (NA)
: Graves definitely has Lucian beat by a mile in terms of burst heck tristana does too if she uses her skills correctly. In terms of mobility vayne ultimate tumble is much better at dealing with assassins and there's plenty of other adcs who have good or better mobility like tristana or ezreal.
> [{quoted}](name=Zerolera,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6bvhQpt7,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2016-05-03T14:56:09.959+0000) > > Graves definitely has Lucian beat by a mile in terms of burst heck tristana does too if she uses her skills correctly. In terms of mobility vayne ultimate tumble is much better at dealing with assassins and there's plenty of other adcs who have good or better mobility like tristana or ezreal. What? E is on a 2 seconds CD if played optimally dude, no one can beat that. E+AA+Q+AA and here you are you got your escape back right after you used it, it takes like 1.5 seconds at most
Zerolera (NA)
: The nice thing about Lucian (not a Lucian main by any means) is that he's quite flexible as an ADC. He's not the best in any area but he fits in quite well against anyone and with any team comp. Kind of like a jack of all trades master of none sort of thing.
> [{quoted}](name=Zerolera,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6bvhQpt7,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-05-03T14:50:34.305+0000) > > The nice thing about Lucian (not a Lucian main by any means) is that he's quite flexible as an ADC. He's not the best in any area but he fits in quite well against anyone and with any team comp. Kind of like a jack of all trades master of none sort of thing. He's got by far the highest burst of any ADC and the highest mobility (no, Kalista **kites** better, but hasn't got instant mobility to deal with something like Zed/Fizz for example)
: Over te course of like 1~2 years, I've seen Lucian rise to rise to top, fall, rise up again etc without Rito even touching his kit. The meta is just doing it's thing as always, I'm not even shocked at this point. Best case is some outside factor, such as the upcoming mage reworks will indirectly shove lucian outa favor...again
> [{quoted}](name=LeagueSrsBsns,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6bvhQpt7,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-05-03T14:41:27.325+0000) > > Over te course of like 1~2 years, I've seen Lucian rise to rise to top, fall, rise up again etc without Rito even touching his kit. The meta is just doing it's thing as always, I'm not even shocked at this point. Best case is some outside factor, such as the upcoming mage reworks will indirectly shove lucian outa favor...again "without even touching is kit" ok but he got huge buffs with ER. fervor (keystone) and ult buffs, i wouldn't exactly say he wasn't actually buffed
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: No high elos main her since she has incredibly boring game play at the moment. Her overall power is fine, if you know how to use her Q bounce properly in lane.
High elos don't give a fuck about boring game play lol they would main Yorick if he was good
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: Patch Chat 6.7 - Playtesting 101
Hi guys maybe i'm a little late but i'll try anyways Is MF getting something soon? Honestly those nerfs felt like you nerfed everything without addressing the main issue: E max is still the best way to play her. The E nerf completely removed the only viable playstyle without replacing it with something as viable (Q max or W max ARE NOT options, despite people thinking otherwise, the numbers are clear and they say E max wins way way more than Q max). Let me remind what happened with MF: - Rework, she's pretty busted and HP nerfs are deserved - Slow nerf on E and AS nerf on W, and this is where it starts to become weird: while the AS on W was too much (and it's still a pretty good steroid), the E nerf made absolutely no sense to me, since it was supposed to be a one-point wonder, while she has no more one point wonders now. - Thunderlord gets buffed, precision gets buffed, and MF becomes broken due to E max: at this point you should have realized that E max was the problem, but then E slow nerf needed to be reverted: this way you just gutted the only strong playstyle and MF got nothing but a gutted E max now. Honestly i feel like It needs to have either more slow or some AD scaling or both, you just don't gut the most viable playstyle and leave it at that like nothing happened (nerfed the passive too btw, i really don't know why since her laning is already pretty weak after the E nerf). Let's put it this way: let's say you nerf Janna's shield really hard like 20 AD and 200 base, well you will STILL max it, there is just no choice, Q and W are bad spells to max, so you are forced to max a gutted spell, and this makes her as a whole incredibly weaker. This is exactly what happened to MF, E max is still the best and most viable choice, the nerf did absolutely nothing but gimp her as a whole. No one in their right minds thinks Q is a good spell and no one in their right minds maxes Q or even thinks about building her around her Q until you seriously do something about this spell. Honestly, it's really frustrating, every single FOTM ADC gets weak nerfs and MF gets nerfed super hard every time she's strong. On top of that, it's even incredibly hard to play her due to the meta. I want to stress this out: E max and play pattern is frustrating, i'm not denying this, but then she needs to have something else wich is better than a gutted E max wich is both frustrating and bad.
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: > [{quoted}](name=Curling Veigar,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bkLdRx9R,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2016-04-02T21:20:36.839+0000) > > now it's {{champion:81}} {{champion:202}} {{champion:236}} {{champion:96}} > > cycle continues > > other adcs aren't GARBAGE but these outshine them by a lot The gap is definitely way, way, way smaller than it was before. Hell, adc choices in pro play this season are easily the most diverse I've ever seen, although the resurgence of Sivir as top tier has started to ruin that. I hate when Sivir is good because she forces the game into a teamfight meta whenever she's top tier and makes the game really stale. If you can't survive a Sivir ult engage, you're not viable. Sucks, but that's how it is.
S3 had way more diverse botlane picks than S6, just look at the numbers
: > [{quoted}](name=Mood in blue,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8YKxbgZv,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2016-04-01T20:50:28.817+0000) > > I still got no idea what you're talking about. > > No one ban ADCs except Graves (wich is not played botlane) and Jhin. > > Once Graves and Jhin are banned you can still pick Sivir Ezreal Corki Kalista Lucian, yet Lucian's pickrate is from twice to 6 times their pickrate. > > Hell, Lucian is even banned more than Kalista right now. You are probably the stupidest person I have ever witnessed. Whatever get a new pair of glasses because I don't think you are seeing straight at all.
http://champion.gg/statistics/#?roleSort=ADC&sortBy=general.banRate&order=descend Tell me where do you see a high number of ADC bans. Sivir, wich you said "is banned every game", has 0.23% ban rate, Kalista has 1.04%, Corki has 3.47%. No one is even close to being permabanned.
: > [{quoted}](name=Mood in blue,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8YKxbgZv,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-04-01T20:45:22.947+0000) > > Who the hell bans those guys except corki lol? > > Kalista got super hard nerfed why would you ban her. Just proves my point that there is only few meta adc's right now jhin corki sivir ezreal Lucian usually sivir kali corki are banned so you have 3 choices. You must not play kali right if you think she is a bad ban
I still got no idea what you're talking about. No one ban ADCs except Graves (wich is not played botlane) and Jhin. Once Graves and Jhin are banned you can still pick Sivir Ezreal Corki Kalista Lucian, yet Lucian's pickrate is from twice to 6 times their pickrate. Hell, Lucian is even banned more than Kalista right now.
: What other choice do you have when kali,corki,sivir are banned every game
Who the hell bans those guys except corki lol? Kalista got super hard nerfed why would you ban her.
: Better than Vayne every game. He is still gated by cooldowns (that is the point of building CDR) he still has bad range because RFC only works for the first shot and his ultimate has never been bad. Lucian is not the problem. When Riot wants a champion to be played it will happen, so when Riot decides it's time; bot lane will be diverse, until then we'll keep the same cycle of having one ADC with over 30% pick rate.
The fact that having Vayne every game was bad (her pickrate was still lower than what Lucian has now) doesn't mean that having Lucian every game is good. And Lucian's problem is not a balance problem (maybe, not so sure about that), the problem is that he is too safe and does everything too well.
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: I highly doubt it. If they do plan to do anything, they might finally fix her e ( if they are at the end of the circle but still in side it they dont get hit/slowed), and maybe w buff/rework. her reset on love-tap is pretty cool, but its useless mid-late game. Her sound on hitting minions of the bleep-bloop situation might get fixed also. right now it only does bleep-bleep. (used to do bleep-bloop)
Idk i just want to know, maybe some Riot employee can tell us yes/no i like how a straight question gets downvoted randomly tho lol
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: It's a shame that we're transitioning into a tank meta then, eh? How you feeling about Sejuani becoming a thing again?
: Trundle, Malphite, and Nautilus are all extremely popular top laners and can all interrupt your ult from range while also being impossible for you to escape from without significant help. Lux, Zed, Ahri, Leblanc, and Yasuo are the 5 most popular mid laners. Lux can instantly delete you if you dare to plant long enough to get a decent ult and the other 4 can easily kill poor immobile MF. Yasuo can even windwall your entire ult, making you practically useless. The top junglers are all tanky initiators with displacements or tanky anti-carries, both of which counter MF. Ezreal, Lucian, and Vayne are the 3 most popular adcs and all do well against MF by outdueling her and having the mobility to avoid her E and ult. The supports are probably the least problematic of the bunch, although the popularity of Braum makes your ult far less effective that it could be. Point is, the rift is absolutely littered with champs that make MF's life very difficult right now and I would expect her to struggle just on that fact alone. The fact that she's still performing at an acceptable level is rather impressive.
tbh this is a common misconception: she works very well vs assassins post rework because even if she has no dashes, even just 2 ticks of ult + E (with Thunderlord wich you obviously take, don't be a noob that goes for fervor) brings them to 1/2 HP. She doesn't work vs Yasuo for obvious reasons (he isn't even that popular in high elo?....he's 8th overall), but vs Zed, Ahri, LB it's rather easy unless stupidly fed, because you're not reliant on autoattacking to do damage so the burst is not that useful since you press E-R and you did your job mostly. The old MF didn't work that well because the ult didn't do so much damage, but the new one just needs 2 ticks to heavily damage any assassin/squishy. It's tanks who are problematic.
: I don't think you know what "quite bad" means. MF is, at her very worst, slightly below average, and only at high elo. Champs like Warwick, Ziggs, Vlad, and Illaoi are "quite bad". MF is merely a bit below average in a meta where the most popular champs in every position counter her. Honestly, it's a testament to her strength that she's doing as well as she is in such an unfavorable climate.
I don't know dude....at "high elo" she's just legit bad and has been since the nerfs, she's barely stronger than a gutted Kalista, and all of this while Kali's playrate is 9 time hers. I mean Vayne (a high skillcap champion) with 19% playrate vs 1.5% playrate wins more. Below yeah she's decent-mediocre. P.S. wich champs? The only one i can think is Nautilus and Braum (maybe Alistar but he's nerfed), rest is manageable P.S.2 WW Iliaoi Vlad are all listed for an update and i guess Ziggs will get something during the mage update.
: Only on the boards will people ask for buffs for a champ just because they're not god tier in an unfavorable meta.
Froggeer (NA)
: One day I will win...
: It's a positive winrate and almost a 5% pickrate. That's significantly better than a lot of top laners. MF doesn't need to be OP. She's fine.
in plat honestly i don't want even her to be OP, just slightly better than very mediocre wich she is right now, i'm not asking for like 100+ damage on Q
: Her winrate is fine. She is not consistently picked because she's a very specific ADC- most of the time you don't need or want a combo-ADC. She's not the best ADC in the game. There's nothing specifically wrong with her. I don't see a reason to buff her.
> [{quoted}](name=disregardable,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=v4wXrajr,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-03-27T14:25:09.325+0000) > > Her winrate is fine. She is not consistently picked because she's a very specific ADC- most of the time you don't need or want a combo-ADC. 1.3% pickrate is really too low to justify "niche" arguments or "fun factor" arguments. http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/adc/diamond Being a legit pick only 1 time out of 100 and stil winning <50% of the games is honestly just absurd, only Varus with 0.8% has a lower pickrate and that champion is a joke as ADC since ages (still good as midlaner). I'm strictly talking about high elo here, and even in plat+ http://champion.gg/statistics/#?roleSort=ADC&sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend 10th overall with a lowish pickrate is really not too hot.
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137434 (NA)
: The AD from Janna's shield is not the reason why people are picking Janna at the moment. Also Alistar is getting nerfed as well in this same upcoming patch.
Alistar's nerf is a complete joke and won't change anything ,and Braum got no nerf at all Janna does not become overbearing to play against in an unhealthy way, nor does she have little to no counterplay. She is exceptionally powerful because of her ability to punish SoloQ mentalities (miscommunicated engages, bad coordination, covering for her own teammate's errors). It is also a plus that she has strong lane match-ups against most of the current meta supports. This has ALWAYS been true, throughout all of Janna's history. That said, Janna is something that definitely needs to exist in some form or another in the league of legends dynamic, if we are to value style diversity and strategic counterplay. To simply call it "overpowered" because it has a strong statistical showing in the cesspit of SoloQ, resulting in targeted nerfs that may affect her competitive relevancy, is detrimental as a whole to league of legends. Obviously there is wiggle room here, and I'm not at all opposed to some nerfs here or there, but I think we approach a dangerous area when we simply label high win-rate SoloQ champions as inherently overpowered instead of examining WHY they are overpowered. This attitude could lead to a barrage of unwarranted nerfs ( hi swain, hi karthus) and lack of appropriate nerfs for the biggest offenders of competitive variety. (hi Lucian, hi Corki, hi Braum)
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