Kai Guy (NA)
: Hey now, Dat why cant you just be nice. Show some sympathy and don't lie to players. Its not 1200 its 1203 games Get it right and stop spreading slander! Also if you use the op's total and that's going to be a maximum of 10,827‬ different players for teammates and allies. Why cant you see how riots Rigging the games by consistently controlling those 10K-ish Players and knows exactly how they interact with each other in game to manipulate game results. Have you not heard the boards. MM controls what happens **after **a lobby is made, it uses "stats and data" To accurately predict human behaviors. Its in no way shape or form the fault of the op, who is the only single consistent variable in his 1203 games. Learn some basic probability odds here Eedat!
> [{quoted}](name=Kai Guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=thv1JIbM,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-09-21T19:30:21.349+0000) > > Hey now, Dat why cant you just be nice. > > Show some sympathy and don't lie to players. Its not 1200 its 1203 games Get it right and stop spreading slander! > > Also if you use the op's total and that's going to be a maximum of 10,827‬ different players for teammates and allies. Why cant you see how riots Rigging the games by consistently controlling those 10K-ish Players and knows exactly how they interact with each other in game to manipulate game results. Have you not heard the boards. MM controls what happens **after **a lobby is made, it uses "stats and data" To accurately predict human behaviors. > > Its in no way shape or form the fault of the op, who is the only single consistent variable in his 1203 games. > > Learn some basic probability odds here Eedat! Congratulations. You win nothing. No skins. Nowt. Keep it up and meddler might drop you a hello.
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OhBilly (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=MundoSmashUrMum,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RJqVKopE,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-09-15T10:14:06.093+0000) > > Don't forget the ongoing sexism cases coming from RIOT HQ. Can't be an employee there unless you like making lewd derogatory comments to women as well. Its part of the macho culture there. Where is that coming from?
> [{quoted}](name=OhBilly,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RJqVKopE,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-09-15T11:23:46.172+0000) > > Where is that coming from? Google it. Its well known. But RIOT tried to enforce NDAs and suing prevention by building into employees contracts. Great company. Very ethical.
: > [{quoted}](name=JackMcCarry,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RJqVKopE,comment-id=000200000001,timestamp=2019-09-15T11:58:06.430+0000) > > Ironic comming from someone with your username. Hey now, ur mum ASKED to be smashed, and Mundo's doin' it politely and respectfully
> [{quoted}](name=10Tickler,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RJqVKopE,comment-id=0002000000010000,timestamp=2019-09-15T14:26:00.371+0000) > > Hey now, ur mum ASKED to be smashed, and Mundo's doin' it politely and respectfully Dayum straight. Preach it brother! (And I got breakfast after)
: OK but are you smoking 2 pounds of meth a week? We have standards at Riot!
> [{quoted}](name=General Esdeath ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RJqVKopE,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-09-15T09:36:38.367+0000) > > OK but are you smoking 2 pounds of meth a week? We have standards at Riot! Don't forget the ongoing sexism cases coming from RIOT HQ. Can't be an employee there unless you like making lewd derogatory comments to women as well. Its part of the macho culture there.
Unker139 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=MundoSmashUrMum,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RWu7MoPr,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-09-12T20:04:26.645+0000) > > Monkey jungler 0 ganks top. Feeds his ass off ignores objectives gives up 3 internals. I still almost carried the win. > > > Next game > > 3/0/0 12% kill participation. > My jungler is 16/1/1 I could literally have AFK'd and we'd have won still. > > > My impact in both games was next to useless. No matter how hard I carried we lost. No matter how little joined the TFs next game we won. > > > So how is the MMR system going to quantify my skill level with this amount of r%%%%%ed unbalanced matchmaking or is the MMR system unable to calculate my skill and that is actually the cause of this r%%%%%ed unbalanced matchmaking? > > Either way this game is a fucking joke right now. I get ZERO satisfaction for hardly any wins I get because matchmaking and MMR assignment is crap. You had two very different performances yourself in two games. How do you expect the matchmaker to predict how you are going to play let alone the other 9 people in the game.?
> [{quoted}](name=Unker139,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RWu7MoPr,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-09-12T20:08:33.631+0000) > > You had two very different performances yourself in two games. How do you expect the matchmaker to predict how you are going to play let alone the other 9 people in the game.? Wrong. My performance was the same. I tried to win in both games. The difference was in game 2 my jungler carried so hard I couldn't get to that same 53% KP. So how is this my fault? Your argument falls flat on its face. My play was consistent. My junglers plays were inconsistent. What part of that don't you get?
: Better jungler wins is still in effect. The balance team decided the best way to make junglers have less influence was just to make sure one of them gets facerolled per match. That worked.
> [{quoted}](name=Metal Janna,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RWu7MoPr,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-12T20:07:21.586+0000) > > Better jungler wins is still in effect. > > The balance team decided the best way to make junglers have less influence was just to make sure one of them gets facerolled per match. > > That worked. I have a strong suspicion RIOT deliberately have this jungler imbalance to enforce wins and losses.
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: I wouldn't call it a privilege really, it's more up to the jungler's determining on an optimal time in which to do so. Usually when the enemy has overextended and pushed their minion wave too close to the allied tower of any of the lanes, and they know that the fight would be a definite win. Of course, in Bronze it's more hit or miss as jg's in that elo tend to uhh... not really have a firm grasp of gank timing for the most part.
> [{quoted}](name=W is for Wombo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=q0uLwMW3,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-31T14:39:25.359+0000) > > I wouldn't call it a privilege really, it's more up to the jungler's determining on an optimal time in which to do so. Usually when the enemy has overextended and pushed their minion wave too close to the allied tower of any of the lanes, and they know that the fight would be a definite win. Of course, in Bronze it's more hit or miss as jg's in that elo tend to uhh... not really have a firm grasp of gank timing for the most part. Yet we never/rarely see lanes abused and pushed hard in high elo. Why? Because a high elo jungler will gank a pushed lane. That's why annoys me most of all about low/mid elo the jungler literally makes the difference. It shouldn't be this way there shouldn't be a random factor about a junglers skill at and above a certain elo.
Altiverse (EUNE)
: Top lane has become such a masochistic lane I'm queueing as support primary and still get top
What's most depressing about top is when you have a hyper carry top enemy (Jax/Fiora/Riven/Darius/Trynd) and the enemy jungler ganks top but yours considers it an irrelevant lane the entire.....fucking.....game ..... .... And you just know how it ends. After 20 minutes and 2/3 top towers down your team is screaming at you calling you a noob because.....you know...your bot lane that actually received ganks by your team jungler somehow still fed their asses off and couldn't then handle the hypercarry top laner 1 shotting them. Guess under those circumstances I lost top because I suck. Clearly I need my MMR dropped.
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Done25 (NA)
: Mundo lacks true damage tank buster, but pretty much yea beyond that. It's always been an issue between the two of them. One that hopefully gets fixed in Mundo's VGU.
> [{quoted}](name=Done25,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=W5Z5pAnT,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-25T19:18:08.669+0000) > > Mundo lacks true damage tank buster, but pretty much yea beyond that. It's always been an issue between the two of them. One that hopefully gets fixed in Mundo's VGU. Mundo lacks a tank buster? 20% HP from ONE Q cleave isn't tank buster enough for you buddy?
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: How can you guys still play ranked and not go insane ?
> [{quoted}](name=option paralysis,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fzP9hOIN,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-08-24T09:33:46.776+0000) > > > > What part of this is fun ? I don't get it. RIOT: "Buying skins?"
: > [{quoted}](name=MyTeamRDumbasses,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JFAAxGEA,comment-id=000c0000,timestamp=2019-08-21T20:10:19.783+0000) > > Ha ha ha ha it ain't random buddy. You're assigned based on whether MMR wants you up or down. Getting 1st or second pick several times on the trot is not random.... Never had any info that told me that's how it works.
> [{quoted}](name=14daysuspensionk,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JFAAxGEA,comment-id=000c00000000,timestamp=2019-08-21T20:37:57.226+0000) > > Never had any info that told me that's how it works. Have RIOT ever disclosed info on that? Or matchmaking in general. Or MMR workings? Nope.
: Is it just me or is new Pantheon pretty well balanced for a new champion?
He's fine. He's a HARD counter for fizz. People tend to take several months to understand a champions potential here. Alkali. Pyke. Sylas. Yummi. All were called useless here on the boards for weeks on release.underpowered. And then......
: Well sadly it's just how the system works, you get assigned to a random waiting position to pick in champ select and there's not much you can do about it.
> [{quoted}](name=14daysuspensionk,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JFAAxGEA,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2019-08-21T19:38:45.614+0000) > > Well sadly it's just how the system works, you get assigned to a random waiting position to pick in champ select and there's not much you can do about it. Ha ha ha ha it ain't random buddy. You're assigned based on whether MMR wants you up or down. Getting 1st or second pick several times on the trot is not random....
: > [{quoted}](name=BeatzBoyFTW,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=r4jzq2oH,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-21T06:04:42.125+0000) > > By putting On-Hit on his E, does that mean he's able to proc {{item:3077}} at every tick....? if you mean garens able to proc multiple tiamats ticks in the same area with his new e then yes he can. but realistically you'd never see multiple enemy champions standing ontop of each within range of garens e.
> [{quoted}](name=On My Kill List,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=r4jzq2oH,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-08-21T06:15:08.580+0000) > > if you mean garens able to proc multiple tiamats ticks in the same area with his new e then yes he can. > but realistically you'd never see multiple enemy champions standing ontop of each within range of garens e. Nobody above bronze should be that closely grouped. If they are doesn't matter if on hit or not they're foolish and will die.
: Because the buffs he's getting are fucking massive?
> [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lA116uvB,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-21T12:36:15.649+0000) > > Because the buffs he's getting are fucking massive? Tell you what. I'll trade the old pre juggernaut 'rework' Garen for these buffs. Deal?
: Why does garen need a w nerf to compensate for the planned changes?
> [{quoted}](name=Tychusfindlay918,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lA116uvB,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-08-21T12:19:47.731+0000) > > I didn't realize he'd be so over the top that you had to revert his W all the way back to the initial cap of only 30 resists, especially considering how easy to obtain shred for both resists are these days. > > The champion SUCKS BALLS. There's no need for a compensation nerf. > > Also as a sidenote you should make Garen's LONG ASS Q animation at least scale with AS or something if you're going to try to encourage some wonky Tri-force Bork build to be viable. You're absolutely correct. But it's a placebo nerf so don't worry. Its simply a paper 'nerf' so that people don't go crazy calling Garen all kinds of broken/busted. It makes 0 difference to lane phase. Garens core problems still remain. If he can't all in the enemy then the enemy can all in him. Like you say his Q animation still sucks. His q silence is still nerfed. His movement speed is still nerfed. His ultimate still has a slow cast time. He can be aggroed still from behind minion waves. He has no gap closer. The only good thing about this buff is he can now ult anytime which will be useful for ganks and with his passive he can maybe survive a little longer under his tower farming. Otherwise....meh......
: Considering Wither does nothing to Yasuo's, Kai'Sa's, Xin's, Jinx's, Kayle's, or Jhin's AS scalings, it's unlikely Wither will affect Garen's.
> [{quoted}](name=Darkdemon653,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iMfnuqE2,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-20T10:17:32.244+0000) > > Considering Wither does nothing to Yasuo's, Kai'Sa's, Xin's, Jinx's, Kayle's, or Jhin's AS scalings, it's unlikely Wither will affect Garen's. Its been proven on the PBE it does though
Juice (EUNE)
: There are so many champs that make me feel like I'm playing on Nightmare difficulty
Same here. It used to be if you were countered there was a 60% chance of a loss 40% chance you could outplay. Now it's 95% chance loss. 5% outplay. And then there's the random X factor. When you're the counter the enemy jungler runs to lane cheese ganks you for 80% health so you have to give up all lane priority or feed. It does feel like there's very little player skill involved anymore. People just faceroll with OP champs and feast or famine to victory. Its soul-destroying...............
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: So I actually got around to going on my PBE acc to get a better look at Eternals
careful. the MODS will shut this thread down for violating some board rule they'll vaguely tie it to,.
Sherogarth (EUNE)
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzAZWT0rcvo The problem is that in current form this rework is quite busted. His E applies all on-hit effects... its really funny to see him apply {{item:3748}} 3 times in one sec.
> [{quoted}](name=Sherogarth,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0BUIuRJc,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-08-17T10:34:24.439+0000) > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzAZWT0rcvo > > The problem is that in current form this rework is quite busted. > His E applies all on-hit effects... its really funny to see him apply {{item:3748}} 3 times in one sec. No. Th problem is you have a world top tier akali main streamer playing against lowbies on the test server. Don't assume it's broken, 27 kills is godly by even pyke standards,
: Instead of fixing the damage meta, they make Garen a bruiser, not a tank anymore.
> [{quoted}](name=John Westlin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0BUIuRJc,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-17T05:02:51.489+0000) > > Instead of fixing the damage meta, they make Garen a bruiser, not a tank anymore. Garen has neither been a bruiser or a tank for 4 seasons.
Moody P (NA)
: Garen rework misconceptions
I have 2.4 million Garen points. I know the champ pretty well. Garen's core was always a lane bully who fell off late, even MarineRevenge who was one of the biggest Garen names back in S5 quit lol for a time because of the BS juggernaught rework. His tankiness and E was his straenght but RIOT seem hell bent on switching his power to his Q and not understanding Garen's identity. The W nerf is a placebo nerf to stop lowbies crying. Has no relevance lane phase, too long to stack. The E buff could be a game change...I'm undecided I think late game it won't make a difference because Garen's telegraphed attacked will be countered before he gets a chance to make use of the buff especially with slightly lower W stats. The R buff I like. For me and my playstyle that thing will be beautiful. Can't wait. Should notch my lane win rate up 10% or so. can't wait.
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Kai Guy (NA)
: So... If you MM by win %? A bad player would Have to be put on a good players team to make each team have a Fair WR yes? Why the fuck do you feel that some one who has say 80% WR being kneecapped with a 20% teammate to get the team average to balance out would be better MM. That's literally rigging MM and rewards weak players and harms good ones. As it stands RNG distribution is fair when MM range is tight enough that it does not exceed a class interval. That's why exceeding the Standard deviation results in Rating changes to new class intervals. How come your not account for Skill gaps? Like WR is expected to change when some one is outclassed... Its not magicaly gonna sink them prior to playing games. They lose or win vs the range MM uses off their MMR value so they shift to reflect the probability expectations. So.. a 1200 Rated player only keeps that if they stay in with in the standard Deviation expectations (σ) for the probability modle used. Ea. 1200 constantly loses to 1200 they drop in points until their Score = Their win % with the context of who they play. Lose 3/4 games to a 1200 players? In Elo's OG that would end up set you to a raiting of 1000. Also there is a finite population in a game so there will be a Mode you can use to build your mean averages. Gonna be represented in the starting MMR value on all accounts. You cant say above average or below average if theres no average to use for that comparison. (sorry silver players, I know that can be rough for yall.) Where do you discuss in your rank the impact low # of games makes? some one with only 1 match has either a 100% or a 0% WR. Any reason you think streaks matter? Or set 3 as a value of any meaning? Like... lets use 50% odds. here is a [visualization ](https://www.random.org/coins/?num=100&cur=60-usd.0025c-ga)of that for you. Behold how often something is in a streak of 3 or more. Any coin that's not 1 or 2 with out change is part of a "streak" Now set 10 as a streak and see how it almost never happens. Then set 20. Crazy how much change in # of streaks and % of results that are part of a streak change when your Value for a streak increases. Also MMR is a balance WTF does a streak have to do with anything? The order the come in is irrelevant. WWWL = WlWW = LWWW =WWLW. W and L are win and loss but they represent a numeric variable of change. That change would be the same any time the K and WE variables are identical so the order is irrelevant. Lets say W=5 and L= -7 5+5+5-7= 5-7+5+5= -7+5+5+5 = 5+5-7+5. how shocking! apparently if you solve the for the equation you find that 8=8=8=8. And why would you expect to win with a weak team. Like your on a streak... ok. Regardless of how long it is, when you get folks who do badly... you should expect to lose yea? Everybody on my team was by far the better player this game and that's why we lost. In what world would that be logical? Please educate yourself on the topic befor you go around telling folks this is how it is. The excuse of Elo hell or Rigged matchmaker gives stuck players an excuse to just give up and roll over in games and that's a net negative for gameplay. Don't encourage halfass players. Also I did like you asked and checked your op.gg and I cant say i am really impressed by you being rated as 10th that jhin loss with a score of 0-6-0.
> [{quoted}](name=Kai Guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7nxXMkx4,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-08-16T18:42:18.090+0000) > > So... If you MM by win %? A bad player would Have to be put on a good players team to make each team have a Fair WR yes? Why the fuck do you feel that some one who has say 80% WR being kneecapped with a 20% teammate to get the team average to balance out would be better MM. That's literally rigging MM and rewards weak players and harms good ones. As it stands RNG distribution is fair when MM range is tight enough that it does not exceed a class interval. That's why exceeding the Standard deviation results in Rating changes to new class intervals. > > How come your not account for Skill gaps? Like WR is expected to change when some one is outclassed... Its not magicaly gonna sink them prior to playing games. They lose or win vs the range MM uses off their MMR value so they shift to reflect the probability expectations. So.. a 1200 Rated player only keeps that if they stay in with in the standard Deviation expectations (σ) for the probability modle used. Ea. 1200 constantly loses to 1200 they drop in points until their Score = Their win % with the context of who they play. Lose 3/4 games to a 1200 players? In Elo's OG that would end up set you to a raiting of 1000. > > Also there is a finite population in a game so there will be a Mode you can use to build your mean averages. Gonna be represented in the starting MMR value on all accounts. You cant say above average or below average if theres no average to use for that comparison. (sorry silver players, I know that can be rough for yall.) > > Where do you discuss in your rank the impact low # of games makes? some one with only 1 match has either a 100% or a 0% WR. > > Any reason you think streaks matter? Or set 3 as a value of any meaning? Like... lets use 50% odds. here is a [visualization ](https://www.random.org/coins/?num=100&cur=60-usd.0025c-ga)of that for you. Behold how often something is in a streak of 3 or more. Any coin that's not 1 or 2 with out change is part of a "streak" Now set 10 as a streak and see how it almost never happens. Then set 20. Crazy how much change in # of streaks and % of results that are part of a streak change when your Value for a streak increases. > > Also MMR is a balance WTF does a streak have to do with anything? The order the come in is irrelevant. WWWL = WlWW = LWWW =WWLW. W and L are win and loss but they represent a numeric variable of change. That change would be the same any time the K and WE variables are identical so the order is irrelevant. Lets say W=5 and L= -7 5+5+5-7= 5-7+5+5= -7+5+5+5 = 5+5-7+5. how shocking! apparently if you solve the for the equation you find that 8=8=8=8. > > And why would you expect to win with a weak team. Like your on a streak... ok. Regardless of how long it is, when you get folks who do badly... you should expect to lose yea? Everybody on my team was by far the better player this game and that's why we lost. In what world would that be logical? > > Please educate yourself on the topic befor you go around telling folks this is how it is. The excuse of Elo hell or Rigged matchmaker gives stuck players an excuse to just give up and roll over in games and that's a net negative for gameplay. Don't encourage halfass players. > > Also I did like you asked and checked your op.gg and I cant say i am really impressed by you being rated as 10th that jhin loss with a score of 0-6-0. You're such a little RIOT fanboy aren't you?
: I used to think this conspiracy shit was real but it's really not. Everything comes down to individual skill and adaptability. Why do you think smurfing is a thing? Smurfs can get unreal winrates even if players INT or AFK and still carry. If anything the game is matching you with players of similar mentality or personal skill and it's dicking you over so you say its matchmaking when really it's just conflicting personalities & Better shotcallers.
> [{quoted}](name=Demon King Maou,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=V85quBAp,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-15T20:05:23.286+0000) > > I used to think this conspiracy shit was real but it's really not. Everything comes down to individual skill and adaptability. Why do you think smurfing is a thing? Smurfs can get unreal winrates even if players INT or AFK and still carry. > > If anything the game is matching you with players of similar mentality or personal skill and it's dicking you over so you say its matchmaking when really it's just conflicting personalities & Better shotcallers. Hogwash. The system is as fixed a gambling arcade in a casino. The MMR system rates you and matchmaking drives you there. MMR gains from say carrying to a win as Kat or Zed or Pyke with a 15/20 kill streak rewards yours MMR far more than winning whilst securing the most towers, CS and dragon/elder/baron/herald objectives resulting in more wins and LP gains. Systems shit.
: > Chainbuffed him You mean, right after they hard-nerfed him out of solo lanes, also taking out his 15% extra damage on non-charge Q?
> [{quoted}](name=Academy Kayn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n2v0pKHE,comment-id=00050001,timestamp=2019-08-15T04:06:56.092+0000) > > You mean, right after they hard-nerfed him out of solo lanes, also taking out his 15% extra damage on non-charge Q? Oh no they nerfed his q which punishes melees....in top lane....and had 0 effe t on ranged ADCs....in his primary lane.... Oh no.....
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5050BS (NA)
: How can they be Diamond and 45% win rate and Im in Silver with 50%?
> [{quoted}](name=XXXMurderPenguin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Q3u7I7fa,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-10T20:30:04.342+0000) > > How can they be Diamond and 45% win rate and Im in Silver with 50%? It's because you don't actually climb based on wins but on the MMR number hidden but linked to your account. RIOT have developed a system whereby you climb not just by skill but also with the help of matchmaking linked to MMR. Trust me, I know. I've deliberately gone on loss spree from gold to bronze then I play properly for a few games and then suddenly for the next 10/20 games at least I climb even with a sub 50% loss streak. You see the MMR system decides your rating and matchmaking attempts to drive you to its corresponding league rank.. And that's the fundamental issue with league the player doesn't really have sole responsibility for climbing or falling. Really it needs a total overhaul but RIOT don't have the skills to do that I mean just look how buggy the game is you can't see all these bugs some longwithstanding and believe their MMR system is thorough and robust, it's not. A player can pick kat and facerolll to gold whilst missing all objectives but a player that gets all objectives baron and dragons etc but picks a champ that doesn't 1 shot so doesn't carry gets gets punished by the MMR system, even if they don't feed. It's a lotta crap tbh.
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Eedat (NA)
: No.
> [{quoted}](name=Eedat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EsM2zfnX,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-08-07T21:40:56.611+0000) > > No. Tragic. Almost cult-like in your delivery.
Eedat (NA)
: Yeah but what does this have to do with gameplay?
> [{quoted}](name=Eedat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EsM2zfnX,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-08-07T20:49:21.211+0000) > > Yeah but what does this have to do with gameplay? Savvy. think Meddler will gift you a skin for that comment?
: PSA / Newsflash / Educational information: Garen is NOT a tank!
I'm losing the will to live... How old are you people?
Arcade Lulu (EUNE)
: I mean, the smartest move is to always wait until the end of the event to spend tokens But like...... that sounds like a you problem
> [{quoted}](name=Arcade Lulu,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EsM2zfnX,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-07T19:53:30.756+0000) > > I mean, the smartest move is to always wait until the end of the event to spend tokens > But like...... that sounds like a you problem So what you're saying is what's on offer I shouldn't buy because RIOT may suddenly release more? Remind me who is morally reprehensible in this scenario?
: Darius cant soak either, he has to land a very slow Q that any bit of mobility can allow people to dodge it (or you just slow him to death). The juggernaut rework is showing its age just like the tank rework is (minus Sej and Zac who got mini-updates, so its only Mao). Garen, Skarner, Darius, and Mao need a good chunk of work done to them to fix them. Villain takes too much power out of Garen's kit, Skarner's kit is just old and hes mainly a ult machine until Qss, Mao can't tank for shit even if he gets passive procs off, and Darius just lanebullies but falls off hard since slows and mobility exist everywhere.
> [{quoted}](name=Ragnaveil,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=B9ofGv7l,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-07T18:57:10.893+0000) > > Darius cant soak either, he has to land a very slow Q that any bit of mobility can allow people to dodge it (or you just slow him to death). > The juggernaut rework is showing its age just like the tank rework is (minus Sej and Zac who got mini-updates, so its only Mao). Garen, Skarner, Darius, and Mao need a good chunk of work done to them to fix them. Villain takes too much power out of Garen's kit, Skarner's kit is just old and hes mainly a ult machine until Qss, Mao can't tank for shit even if he gets passive procs off, and Darius just lanebullies but falls off hard since slows and mobility exist everywhere. Darius has in built sustain via Q. He absolutely can soak. gets more HP per lvl than Garen and seeing as only one defense item is ever required before diminishing returns I'd say that qualifies him as a soaker. He also has cc. Hard cc. And true dmg. But I don't mean to focus on just him, there's others too. I'm simply highlighting the huge misconceptions around Garen.
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: He needs a level 1 buff ONLY. Unless he loses his true damage ultimate on villain he doesn't deserve anything else imo
> [{quoted}](name=Eybdoog,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VJtxBFeq,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-05T20:11:42.076+0000) > > He needs a level 1 buff ONLY. Unless he loses his true damage ultimate on villain he doesn't deserve anything else imo I'd be happy for the villain mechanic to be removed for an overall QOL buff. It's a gimmick, unreliable, of no use to the players skill expression. Like I say I don't want Garen to be broken OP strong what I want is Garen to be Garen, he is the honourable opposite of Sion, charging into battle taking licks for the greater good. But what he is, is a little tower humping pussy who enjoys a 5 min mid game spurt of usefulness then drops into obscurity.
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