Rioter Comments
: Sorry i misread the part about the 10+ year's, I thought you said you have been dealing with riot for 10+ years on the current problem you have. And when you say read about the cold statistics what are the statistics you are talking about? All i have seen so far is riot trying to help you out by asking you for the discord name that got banned so they can see what was the reason it got banned so they could tell you about it. And also I dont really know why you have to tell me that you have acted the same in 10 countries with out any problems and 0 criminal charges against me. And then when you say things like " but I also think that you are capable of reading and understanding the parts you missing from that story." It comes off as you being a douche and it makes you sound like you are holding your self at a higher standard then my self Which i do not like at all. It almost sounds like you are calling me dumb and i am not saying that you are, But it sounds like it from the way you wrote about it. And i never said riot was a great and good company, But i am not saying that they are the worst company either. Also you keep talking about how am i on topic here and i am not talking about the current topic wrote about. I am rather talking along the topic of you responses to riot. And also if riot deleted something you wrote or locked a topic you wrote about or what ever they did. They have to have a reason for doing it, A large scale company is not going to single out one person and bully them for no good reason what so ever. If it upsets you to the point where you have to keep this topic going so much then try to get a hold of the highest riot employee you can. Write an email to them or such, and if they dont respond then well you obviously did something to make it happen and you can say you did not all you want and ask riot to email you the proof they have to Cause what they did because i am pretty sure they will be happy to show you the proof behind the reason of their doings.
> [{quoted}](name=Pigalishus,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=F8bHJqIU,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-11T01:03:46.237+0000) > > Sorry i misread the part about the 10+ year's, I thought you said you have been dealing with riot for 10+ years on the current problem you have. And when you say read about the cold statistics what are the statistics you are talking about? All i have seen so far is riot trying to help you out by asking you for the discord name that got banned so they can see what was the reason it got banned so they could tell you about it. > > And also I dont really know why you have to tell me that you have acted the same in 10 countries with out any problems and 0 criminal charges against me. And then when you say things like " but I also think that you are capable of reading and understanding the parts you missing from that story." It comes off as you being a douche and it makes you sound like you are holding your self at a higher standard then my self Which i do not like at all. It almost sounds like you are calling me dumb and i am not saying that you are, But it sounds like it from the way you wrote about it. > > And i never said riot was a great and good company, But i am not saying that they are the worst company either. Also you keep talking about how am i on topic here and i am not talking about the current topic wrote about. I am rather talking along the topic of you responses to riot. And also if riot deleted something you wrote or locked a topic you wrote about or what ever they did. They have to have a reason for doing it, A large scale company is not going to single out one person and bully them for no good reason what so ever. > > If it upsets you to the point where you have to keep this topic going so much then try to get a hold of the highest riot employee you can. Write an email to them or such, and if they dont respond then well you obviously did something to make it happen and you can say you did not all you want and ask riot to email you the proof they have to Cause what they did because i am pretty sure they will be happy to show you the proof behind the reason of their doings. LOL is the only game where I have been banned/suspended and punished, and I have been gaming for over 25 years and over 1000 games. <- Is it really me that is the problem when you read the cold statistics? <- Cold statistics Thanks for understanding you misread, I respect anyone who can admit misstakes. Nobody is perfect and we all make misstakes, some of us are better at understaning it then others. Glad you are one who understands. You understand that this thread is not about weather or not Im banned nor for what reason Im banned. <- Right? This is why I urged you to re-read. By the looks of things you have not. When he tells me he sees no evidence for something, Im very friendly and cooperative and bring forth the evidence, thats how nice I really am. Again, you are entitled to your opinion about rioters being nice. I have the totally different opinion, in fact quite the opposite. Reason for this might be the 4 accounts they ruined ingame and 5 accounts in these forums. Did you know I was once was braging about losing games? This according to riot-games. How did brag? I made a thread called "Help me end a loss stream!" <- Or something along those lines, In that thread I made 1 comment that they took out of context as proof that I had been braging, I was lifetime banned for "promotion of 3rd party services" <- But this is also offtopic, but a reponse to you. I tell you my game and life statistics/experience to show you and let you know that we have totally different experiences. <- Why this is I dont know...but if you miss vital partsof information like when a moderator says he sees no evidence, that might be a huge reason as to why we have such different experiences dealing with this companty and the people related to it. My experience and Im 30+ years old is that LoL is theonly game that ever suspended me <- I have played well over 1000 different games. So if you play 1000 different games and you only get punished in 1 of them, like 30 times. <- Is it me or could it be something else that is the reason for why I get punished? <- This was the point I was trying to make. " It comes off as you being a douche and it makes you sound like you are holding your self at a higher standard then my self Which i do not like at all. " <- Okey thanks for letting me know, this is not the case and I am thankful that you brought this to my attention as this was not my intentions, in fact its a compliment from me to you. Peopel make misstakes all the time and once again, English is not my first nor my main language. <- This is whyritoers and others need to allow people to explaint hemselves so we dont missunderstand and creat a hostile enviorment out of missunderstandings... In this case thuogh, you did actually miss the part I was talking about, the part where Jikker talked about he didnt see any evidence for me being banned. <- "I am rather talking along the topic of you responses to riot. " <- Okey but this is really strange, if I have a conversation with a person, I dont really want anyone to jump in to that converastion, take it over, ask questions, potentially missudnerstanding etc, I dont think anyone wants this. It would be like a father is talking to his son about what they going to eat later that day, and I jump in and start talking about what Im going to eat, and I start asking them where they going to buy theirfood, and I suggest they go elsewhere etc... <- Thisis how I view that behavior. Again, maybe I missunderstand but I dont see how you are helping the thread not helpingme understanding the answer (noone provided) to the questions I posted. <- And that is what this thread is about. Its 2 questions, I still a have recived no answer to. If you want to discuss me, then make a thread about it and Im more then willing to cooperate. But as of now, you are in a thread that isnt about me, its about: 1. I dont think I can post more... but what was removed was not targeted towards anyone, it was a rant. So who did I disprect Jikker? (he was the one removing my content) 2. Also, why did you lock my thread? "They have to have a reason for doing it, A large scale company is not going to single out one person and bully them for no good reason what so ever." <- Well there are plenty of evidence against this. Tyler1 is a good one, you can google that name together with phreak and see what pops up, but once again this is offtopic. "If it upsets you to the point where you have to keep this topic going so much then try to get a hold of the highest riot employee you can. " <- They run away from me. Riot-Tantram is scared of me, I tried to reach out to him several times but he doesnt dare talk to me. You cant reach him in any way shape or form. The top riot employee I spoken to (facecam) was Dwayne Jenkins. He was head of support back then, no idea whathe does now...but I believe he was not truthful nor honest with me, I also got an account locked down for simply asking to speak with him, when I did the same thing: Requesting to speak with him,from a new account I got the chance to. <- this can be looked up. <- This is also offtopic I have written emails to tencent <- They own majority of riot-games, no response, cause they dont care and that is the reason riot-games and lol losing ~20% of their playerbase each and every year since 2014. No company in history have ever done this and still be alive for as long as Lol has. "and if they dont respond then well you obviously did something to make it happen and you can say you did not all you want and ask riot to email you the proof they have to Cause what they did because i am pretty sure they will be happy to show you the proof behind the reason of their doings." <- Not really, tencent doesnt know me and I only sent them 1 mail. Riot-games nor people related to riot have never cooperated with me. The closes anyone related to riot games came to cooperate with me was Deep Terror Nami <- He/she helped me make a thread once, and when I posted it he/she yelled at me because he/she didnt like the tone I was using...and I had copied the exact text he/she help me type. So when I do what Im being told I get punsihed as well... You can ask her/him about this, doubt they will confirm it but defently not deny it <- If they do I have evidence.
: So for me at least my favorite sport is hockey, And my favorite team is the San jose sharks. But i dont sit there and say that they are the best team what so ever in reality they are a decent team but i also understand that they can totally suck at time's. You have to see the good and the bad at the same time not just the bad by its self or the good at its self. And then from everything i have seen the riot memebers talking here is that they have been nothing but nice. For instance with the discord thing you talked about getting banned they simply asked for the name of the account that got banned so they can have proof that you really did get banned. And is riot a good company? They are not the best but they are not the worst company around town. And then the thing i said about a employee at a store yelling "Yoooooo what up dude" its not something you really should do. I dont know where you live at in the world, But at least where i live its not something that really happens and should not happen. When i walk into a store and hear an employee say that i dont get the best idea of the store. I see them more as a childish employee that if i was in the position of manager i would fire. I dont want my company being known by an employee that does something like that. I rather have my company known by employee's that are kind and respective. And if this has been going on for 10+ years then that is impossible, The game has only been out for 9 years almost 10 years this month.
> [{quoted}](name=Pigalishus,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=F8bHJqIU,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-10T23:39:13.617+0000) > > So for me at least my favorite sport is hockey, And my favorite team is the San jose sharks. But i dont sit there and say that they are the best team what so ever in reality they are a decent team but i also understand that they can totally suck at time's. You have to see the good and the bad at the same time not just the bad by its self or the good at its self. And then from everything i have seen the riot memebers talking here is that they have been nothing but nice. For instance with the discord thing you talked about getting banned they simply asked for the name of the account that got banned so they can have proof that you really did get banned. > Good for you, me neither. Btw how are you on topic here? I was makinga point that by the looks of things flew over your head (again, this is not to put anyone down, its a common expression for when someone didnt get the point one was making) <- I have to say this or it will be misinterpeted adn I will get punished for it. I disagree ( and I hope I am allowed to argue and disagree in thsee forums) . If you take everything in to account, then a bad person like the german leader of ww2 can look like a decent persron when reality is he was a really bad man. That is why you divide things and look at things individjually. <- you are allowed to have your opinion just like I am,but I dont see how you are on topic now. Its okey for you to think rioters are nice. I dont think its nice when another person is trying to speakfor me. <- There are actualyl history here from my culture where a person, often a child accuses a woman of being a witch. This woman is put to test where the only outcome is death. <- This is called a witch hunt and was very real and you can read up on it. Same thing happens here, when a person (in this case a rioter) speaks for me, they are also accusing me... In this case of not being genuine and in fact lying about my intentions. <- I dont think this is nice at all, I think this is borderline slandering and a witch-hunt... Again, the only outcome of a witchhunt is death of the witch. So again, you can have the opinion that people are nothing but nice but I have totally different experience. LOL is the only game where I have been banned/suspended and punished, and I have been gaming for over 25 years and over 1000 games. <- Is it really me that is the problem when you read the cold statistics? You make the claim that they only asked for my name, that was not the case and I urge you to re-read that message. I can absolutly take a print screen where I underline the parts you missed from that message, but I also think that you are capable of reading and understaning the parts you missing from that story. > And is riot a good company? They are not the best but they are not the worst company around town. And then the thing i said about a employee at a store yelling "Yoooooo what up dude" its not something you really should do. I dont know where you live at in the world, But at least where i live its not something that really happens and should not happen. When i walk into a store and hear an employee say that i dont get the best idea of the store. I see them more as a childish employee that if i was in the position of manager i would fire. I dont want my company being known by an employee that does something like that. I rather have my company known by employee's that are kind and respective. > > And if this has been going on for 10+ years then that is impossible, The game has only been out for 9 years almost 10 years this month. Again, you are entitled to your opinion, this thread is not about riot as a company, but sure... Riot is great, so great that they retracted an award that was given to a child with cancer. The award was to design his own champion <- He never got to do this becuase riot didnt want to honor their contract. These are just small things that makes me not believe in Riot as a company,but mainly its the toxicity from the top of the company down to the players who plays this game. <- But again,this isn ot really no topic. But dont you worry, moderators in these forums tend to not do anything about off-topic comments. I agree with you, that you shuold not say "YOOOO WHATS UPDUDE! " and I never done that, what my argumetn was is that you can absolutly treat a customer as a friend and a buddy, I have been doind that for years and been awarded for the way I express myself and how I handle customers. <- That was the point I was tryign to make, once again it looks like it did fly so high it went over everyones head. I live in Sweden, but I have acted the same in about 10 countries without any problems. I have 0 criminal charges against me. " When i walk into a store and hear an employee say that i dont get the best idea of the store. " <- To me this makes no sense and I have no idea what you are trying to express here,pretty sure you are offtopic though. "And if this has been going on for 10+ years then that is impossible, The game has only been out for 9 years almost 10 years this month." <- No idea where that comment comes from. Again, pretty sure its offtopic. To remind you, this thread is about: 1. I dont think I can post more... but what was removed was not targeted towards anyone, it was a rant. So who did I disprect Jikker? (he was the one removing my content) 2. Also, why did you lock my thread? If you want to talk about rito as a company I suggest you make a thread about it, to talk about different topics other then the 2 subjects I listed is actually you trying to ruin my thread, maybe its not intional, I can understand that... But that is the reality. I seek information, my goal is not to sit here and explain the points I make nor to bash the previous decisions of riot-games. I hope you can respect me and the forum-board culture enough to honor this request/suggest.
: > [{quoted}](name=MuteAllFromStart,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=F8bHJqIU,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-10T18:00:46.638+0000) > > Okey, I dont even understand the first part of this... its very... idk, strange to me. > "Giving a name would have been better from a logical standpoint" <- But that is not needed and you are hung up/focused on something that is totally offtopic. He made the claim he didnt see any evidence of something, so I provided evidence. As I previously said (and it is still not spamming, its repeating) it doesnt matter cause even if he got my discord name, he wont unban me, even if the ban in unjust... and that is not even related to this topic nor thread. You said to be more neutral, I am already neutral. Therefore, I cannot be more neutral. See, this is what I talked about in a later point. If I'm off topic for simply having the opinion a name would have been more effective than a picture; then you are equally off topic for posting the picture. A name was requested, not an image. So you deem my perspective off topic, but not yours? Sense my first response, I have only continued to mention it when asked about it. > > Yes parts, but do you understand what the 2 quesitons in this thread are? They are up there in the OP... There were no questions in the OP about discord, its just mention that one of his suggestions were totally useless and something he should have taken responsibility for. Since it was mentioned, in a sub thread of the thread, it became on topic for certain sub threads. > Again: this thread is not about why I was banned from their discord. And we aren't fully discussing that. Simply that you are and I gave him an avenue to learn why should Jikker desire to check it out because it is a topic in a sub thread on the post. > No: Im not asking anyone to unban me from their discord. <- This is really important that I say because if I dont people will think that is what this thread is about, its really not. What this thread is about I will allow you to answer because its up there in the OP, 2 quesitonsmarks that indicates what this thread is about. Never said you were trying to get unbanned from the Discord. I simply gave an avenue for people to understand why the ban was placed. As you don't need the reasoning explained, it doesn't need further mentioning; does it? > > Also, what is 4v5? (1 afk???) I have that swipe function enabled for texting/typing on my phone. Sometimes I type too fast and it thinks I did the swipe. Really should disable that. Sorry was a typo. > > That makes no sense, I want people to talk about the topic, not everything I mention <- Did you and the other 5-6 people who follow me around downvoting my comments get that so wrong? I have downvoted you 0 times as I am neutral. You have a general topic and then sub topics. We are on a sub topic now. If I'm off topic, so are you then. > No Im not talking down to anyone, Im defendign mylsef... something I was taught to do both from my parents and from my culture. If I dont defend myself I die, yes really I die. I have been targeted by slander before and been doxxed because people have attacked me and I have had limited chances to defend myself <- As I said, whether you are talking down to them intentionally or not, it can come out that way. Especially since I have not attacked you, and if you feel I have then there was a misunderstanding somewhere. Even my original comment of a "language barrier" comment wasn't meant as a slight. Given you speak/read 3 languages, you understand that people can still misunderstand things. Nuances for reading or even environment the person lives in can change simple meanings of things. > If you attack me and I defend myself.. dont come complaining that Im talking down to you <- That is rather... well Im not allowed to put the word on that but you know what it is, its not a very postive word. I could be wrong, and fully admit that. I simply gave my guess as to where the downvotes stem from. Some may just beinf doing it for a giggle since you have complained about them too, but that is neither here nor there. > > Okey, now I know that... again since Im not alloed to "talk down to you" ... the 90% - 10% .. hmm how do I explain this one without you feel i put you down or talk down to you... Okey how about this. If microsoft is worth 1 trillion dollars (google) and they lose/ignore 10% of their customers/market they will lose 100 billions dollars... For twice that you can buy/produce as much as Finland <- 10% is huge and should not be looked down upon, if anone did this they would lose so much, their stockholders would demand changes and people will get fired. Never said I took you as "talking down to me", as previously mentioned, just a theory on the downvotes. That is subjective though. Numbers and perspective matters when talking about percentages. If you win 50 million and have the option to pay 10% to keep anonymity, doesn't sound like a bad deal to me. Alternatively, if we talk about 10 people, 10% is 1 person and also seems small. I agree templates could use improvement. I do think it would be silly to keep a list of people who have been banned form the Discord just to send a specific one to them. Course that is my opinion and you may feel otherwise, which is fine. > > You are missing the point totally, the point is that Im the one losing things, its not a communist world we live in where my car is your car... we live in a captalistic market economy where my car is my car, I paid for it and Im paying for it. Im also responsible for it. So if the police takes my car away, it mainly affects me, not the other 4 people in that car <- Hopefully you understand now. I understood it the first time, there are still two things that cause issue though. First is still the fact that the "owner" was also participating (by mods opinion) in the misbehavior. At which point it was decided to lock the post/take the care. Second, the forum is free to use. No one has to pay a fee to post; so the only cost is time. Yes, everyones time is valuble but eh. > > Again: If you think Im talking down to you or you feel threatened or any other feelings about me interacting with you... it doesnt mean its reality. -snip-. Again, only my opinion and theory based on downvotes. I'm neutral. I look at data available and try to understand to the ebst of my ability.
> [{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=F8bHJqIU,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-10T21:22:06.218+0000) > I have downvoted you 0 times as I am neutral. You have a general topic and then sub topics. We are on a sub topic now. If I'm off topic, so are you then. No not reallt, if you want to discuss something that has nothing to do with this: I dont think I can post more... but what was removed was not targeted towards anyone, it was a rant. So who did I disprect Jikker? (he was the one removing my content) Or this: Also, why did you lock my thread? Then you should make a new thread about the topic you want, to kidnap someones thread and say "the topics are these and these" <- this is somewhat rude and in fact ruining the original thread. I want this thread to be about whats in the OP, not what you want it to be from reading comments <- Is this really too much to ask for? Yes I agree that Im offtopic, I have to be offtopic because moderators in these forums doesnt remove your content and they allow you to ruin my threads because they favorite you and hate me. This is nothing new. I had one dude talk about his teemo skins in a thread about my chat log <- Noone had even mentioned skins nor the character teemo <- No this did not just becoem a teemo thread nor a thread about skins, this is still not a sub-thread, these are comments and posts. Not sub-threads, posts/comments.
: > [{quoted}](name=MuteAllFromStart,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=F8bHJqIU,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-10T18:00:46.638+0000) > > Okey, I dont even understand the first part of this... its very... idk, strange to me. > "Giving a name would have been better from a logical standpoint" <- But that is not needed and you are hung up/focused on something that is totally offtopic. He made the claim he didnt see any evidence of something, so I provided evidence. As I previously said (and it is still not spamming, its repeating) it doesnt matter cause even if he got my discord name, he wont unban me, even if the ban in unjust... and that is not even related to this topic nor thread. You said to be more neutral, I am already neutral. Therefore, I cannot be more neutral. See, this is what I talked about in a later point. If I'm off topic for simply having the opinion a name would have been more effective than a picture; then you are equally off topic for posting the picture. A name was requested, not an image. So you deem my perspective off topic, but not yours? Sense my first response, I have only continued to mention it when asked about it. > > Yes parts, but do you understand what the 2 quesitons in this thread are? They are up there in the OP... There were no questions in the OP about discord, its just mention that one of his suggestions were totally useless and something he should have taken responsibility for. Since it was mentioned, in a sub thread of the thread, it became on topic for certain sub threads. > Again: this thread is not about why I was banned from their discord. And we aren't fully discussing that. Simply that you are and I gave him an avenue to learn why should Jikker desire to check it out because it is a topic in a sub thread on the post. > No: Im not asking anyone to unban me from their discord. <- This is really important that I say because if I dont people will think that is what this thread is about, its really not. What this thread is about I will allow you to answer because its up there in the OP, 2 quesitonsmarks that indicates what this thread is about. Never said you were trying to get unbanned from the Discord. I simply gave an avenue for people to understand why the ban was placed. As you don't need the reasoning explained, it doesn't need further mentioning; does it? > > Also, what is 4v5? (1 afk???) I have that swipe function enabled for texting/typing on my phone. Sometimes I type too fast and it thinks I did the swipe. Really should disable that. Sorry was a typo. > > That makes no sense, I want people to talk about the topic, not everything I mention <- Did you and the other 5-6 people who follow me around downvoting my comments get that so wrong? I have downvoted you 0 times as I am neutral. You have a general topic and then sub topics. We are on a sub topic now. If I'm off topic, so are you then. > No Im not talking down to anyone, Im defendign mylsef... something I was taught to do both from my parents and from my culture. If I dont defend myself I die, yes really I die. I have been targeted by slander before and been doxxed because people have attacked me and I have had limited chances to defend myself <- As I said, whether you are talking down to them intentionally or not, it can come out that way. Especially since I have not attacked you, and if you feel I have then there was a misunderstanding somewhere. Even my original comment of a "language barrier" comment wasn't meant as a slight. Given you speak/read 3 languages, you understand that people can still misunderstand things. Nuances for reading or even environment the person lives in can change simple meanings of things. > If you attack me and I defend myself.. dont come complaining that Im talking down to you <- That is rather... well Im not allowed to put the word on that but you know what it is, its not a very postive word. I could be wrong, and fully admit that. I simply gave my guess as to where the downvotes stem from. Some may just beinf doing it for a giggle since you have complained about them too, but that is neither here nor there. > > Okey, now I know that... again since Im not alloed to "talk down to you" ... the 90% - 10% .. hmm how do I explain this one without you feel i put you down or talk down to you... Okey how about this. If microsoft is worth 1 trillion dollars (google) and they lose/ignore 10% of their customers/market they will lose 100 billions dollars... For twice that you can buy/produce as much as Finland <- 10% is huge and should not be looked down upon, if anone did this they would lose so much, their stockholders would demand changes and people will get fired. Never said I took you as "talking down to me", as previously mentioned, just a theory on the downvotes. That is subjective though. Numbers and perspective matters when talking about percentages. If you win 50 million and have the option to pay 10% to keep anonymity, doesn't sound like a bad deal to me. Alternatively, if we talk about 10 people, 10% is 1 person and also seems small. I agree templates could use improvement. I do think it would be silly to keep a list of people who have been banned form the Discord just to send a specific one to them. Course that is my opinion and you may feel otherwise, which is fine. > > You are missing the point totally, the point is that Im the one losing things, its not a communist world we live in where my car is your car... we live in a captalistic market economy where my car is my car, I paid for it and Im paying for it. Im also responsible for it. So if the police takes my car away, it mainly affects me, not the other 4 people in that car <- Hopefully you understand now. I understood it the first time, there are still two things that cause issue though. First is still the fact that the "owner" was also participating (by mods opinion) in the misbehavior. At which point it was decided to lock the post/take the care. Second, the forum is free to use. No one has to pay a fee to post; so the only cost is time. Yes, everyones time is valuble but eh. > > Again: If you think Im talking down to you or you feel threatened or any other feelings about me interacting with you... it doesnt mean its reality. -snip-. Again, only my opinion and theory based on downvotes. I'm neutral. I look at data available and try to understand to the ebst of my ability.
> [{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=F8bHJqIU,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-10T21:22:06.218+0000) > > You said to be more neutral, I am already neutral. Therefore, I cannot be more neutral. See, this is what I talked about in a later point. If I'm off topic for simply having the opinion a name would have been more effective than a picture; then you are equally off topic for posting the picture. A name was requested, not an image. So you deem my perspective off topic, but not yours? Sense my first response, I have only continued to mention it when asked about it. I have to divide this up because it is once again very hard to understand due to how you express yourself (once again, I have not put a value on "hard to understand" , him being hard to understand might be the cause of English not being my first language) <- I have to say this or else Rioters think Im harassing you , or you thinking Im talking down to you... This is not the case as I explained,but I should not have to spend all this effort and space to explain this. <- Shouldnt have, but I must if I am not to be banned (once again) "You said to be more neutral, I am already neutral. Therefore, I cannot be more neutral." <- This is really the words of a bias person. I am as neutral as I can but even I am bias. I can admit it without any issues. Im bias to the truth and science and will value both of those things above feelings, emotions and theories. " If I'm off topic for simply having the opinion a name would have been more effective than a picture; then you are equally off topic for posting the picture." <- This part, you totally lost me. Okey, now I got it... youthink there are "sub-threads" here, there are not. "Since it was mentioned, in a sub thread of the thread, it became on topic for certain sub threads." <- Thats not how it works. By your way of thinking here (and you are not the first btw): If I make a Thread "Whats your favorite food?" <- someone mentions mcdonalds, you see Mcdonalds and then think its okey to talk about how they underpay their workers <- Because Mcdonalds was mentioned in the topic... and now when you mentioned underpaid workers, I can start talking about how in Sweden we concider firefighters to be rather uinderpaid, and on that topic they also need better equipment... Ohh so I mentioned equipment, then we open the discussion and thread up for basically any and everything. Its important that you understand that when you go offtopic, like I believe you are now, you are in fact ruinign my thread. I previously asked you what you think this thread is about and I pointed to the OP where 2 questionmarks are pressent. You didnt quote any of the quesitons nor even touched upon them. <- Do you understand what this thread is abuot? Because its not about my name, its not about a picture, its not about me talking down to people nor me explaining things. Here I help: first question: I dont think I can post more... but what was removed was not targeted towards anyone, it was a rant. So who did I disprect Jikker? (he was the one removing my content) <- This is directed at a specific person. There is no need for you to answer or even interact with this. But noone is holding you back nor saying you cannot post,but if you are to post we(the clients) expect you to be ontopic or else you ruin the thread. The second question was: Also, why did you lock my thread? To my understanding you nor Jikker have tried to answer any of these questions that are the topic of this thread and OP. Again, if anythign this is a sub-thread of "discuss the board" <- This is not a subthread of : Contetnt removed , why?
: I don't think one can be more neutral than neutral. I'm not against your or the mods. I simply look at information available to me. This was bot missed by me, but was deemed as not the main focus. He wouldn't have evidence of it if a different name was the one the punishment. Giving a name would have been better from a logical standpoint as he could both see the evidence that you were banned and understand why. Part of the thread consisted on how you cannot take the topic to Discord and Jikker replied asking for information so he could understand it better. The thread is about topic being locked and inability to go to Discord. 4v5 The amount of downvotes most likely stems from the combination of speaking down to people, whether you are intending to or not; saying people are off topic if they don't talk about every single thing you mention; and/or referencing previous cases involving you. If the template works for 90% of the cases, why develop another for 10%? I get the idea of where you are coming from. I actually had a removal done durinf a clean up. Didn't violate any rules, but the context of the reply was lost so they removed it. No punishment or warning, but at the end it sill said "Review the rules" which could cause confusion. That could stand to change, but I know the template works in the other cases. Why did the police pull you over? It was just because you had that many people in the car. In the case of the post, you and the other poster's being uncivil. Again, because whether you intend to or not, it sounds like you are talking down to people in your replies.
> [{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=F8bHJqIU,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-10T17:40:07.919+0000) > > I don't think one can be more neutral than neutral. I'm not against your or the mods. I simply look at information available to me. This was bot missed by me, but was deemed as not the main focus. He wouldn't have evidence of it if a different name was the one the punishment. Giving a name would have been better from a logical standpoint as he could both see the evidence that you were banned and understand why. Okey, I dont even understand the first part of this... its very... idk, strange to me. "Giving a name would have been better from a logical standpoint" <- But that is not needed and you are hung up/focused on something that is totally offtopic. He made the claim he didnt see any evidence of something, so I provided evidence. As I previously said (and it is still not spamming, its repeating) it doesnt matter cause even if he got my discord name, he wont unban me, even if the ban in unjust... and that is not even related to this topic nor thread. > > Part of the thread consisted on how you cannot take the topic to Discord and Jikker replied asking for information so he could understand it better. The thread is about topic being locked and inability to go to Discord. 4v5 > Yes parts, but do you understand what the 2 quesitons in this thread are? They are up there in the OP... There were no questions in the OP about discord, its just mention that one of his suggestions were totally useless and something he should have taken responsibility for. Again: this thread is not about why I was banned from their discord. No: Im not asking anyone to unban me from their discord. <- This is really important that I say because if I dont people will think that is what this thread is about, its really not. What this thread is about I will allow you to answer because its up there in the OP, 2 quesitonsmarks that indicates what this thread is about. Also, what is 4v5? (1 afk???) > The amount of downvotes most likely stems from the combination of speaking down to people, whether you are intending to or not; saying people are off topic if they don't talk about every single thing you mention; and/or referencing previous cases involving you. > That makes no sense, I want people to talk about the topic, not everything I mention <- Did you and the other 5-6 people who follow me around downvoting my comments get that so wrong? No Im not talking down to anyone, Im defendign mylsef... something I was taught to do both from my parents and from my culture. If I dont defend myself I die, yes really I die. I have been targeted by slander before and been doxxed because people have attacked me and I have had limited chances to defend myself <- If you attack me and I defend myself.. dont come complaining that Im talking down to you <- That is rather... well Im not allowed to put the word on that but you know what it is, its not a very postive word. > If the template works for 90% of the cases, why develop another for 10%? I get the idea of where you are coming from. I actually had a removal done durinf a clean up. Didn't violate any rules, but the context of the reply was lost so they removed it. No punishment or warning, but at the end it sill said "Review the rules" which could cause confusion. That could stand to change, but I know the template works in the other cases. > Okey, now I know that... again since Im not alloed to "talk down to you" ... the 90% - 10% .. hmm how do I explain this one without you feel i put you down or talk down to you... Okey how about this. If microsoft is worth 1 trillion dollars (google) and they lose/ignore 10% of their customers/market they will lose 100 billions dollars... For twice that you can buy/produce as much as Finland <- 10% is huge and should not be looked down upon, if anone did this they would lose so much, their stockholders would demand changes and people will get fired. > Why did the police pull you over? It was just because you had that many people in the car. In the case of the post, you and the other poster's being uncivil. Again, because whether you intend to or not, it sounds like you are talking down to people in your replies. You are missing the point totally, the point is that Im the one losing things, its not a communist world we live in where my car is your car... we live in a captalistic market economy where my car is my car, I paid for it and Im paying for it. Im also responsible for it. So if the police takes my car away, it mainly affects me, not the other 4 people in that car <- Hopefully you understand now. Again: If you think Im talking down to you or you feel threatened or any other feelings about me interacting with you... it doesnt mean its reality. Again, if I greet you and say "Hello" and you feel threatened and harassed about it, its not the reality. Its your feelings that are playing tricks on you. Thats why it is really important that you allow people to explain themselves. In this case, Im not talking down on anyone, Im trying to explain in a simple way to avoid missunderstandings. <- Im trying to be nice, and this you and others see as me trying to harass you... you see how this is a problem for me and you? If you allow me to explain my genuine thoughts and you then believe them, it helps us all. For you to mistrust me at all points and thin kthat everything I say is lies or alternative motives... liek how can you build up any good relationship with anyone with taht kind of mentality? We need to allow people to explain themselves and talk for themselves <- Stop pre-judge people , stop label people.
: Oh my god... your gonna make me seriously do this because of your lack of ability to retain the information for what you said and how that ties to my response. I am going to make this as easy as i can for you so that you can understand where all my responses are coming from. Here we go: [1] Your statement: "_I have heard that if they tell me their age they are afraid I will hack them._" My response: "_First off, if they can hack, im sure its easy for hackers to get your info and age easily but thats irrelevant._" Your response: "_Yes it is, yet you bring it up._" **yes i mentioned it because YOU brought it up** [2] Your statement: "_To make it easy: there are 8 billion people in the world. Meaning that if you are 15 years ago, there are about 150.000.000 - 200.000.000 other people in the world of the same age... its not that personal._" My response 1: "_Second, having or using numbers base on the common info such as age does not determine if they are personal or not_" My response 2: "_Ask someone or anybody if having the same age as lot of people makes their age not a personal info to them._" Your response 1: "_Noone even made that claim, so you are arguing vs noone atm_" Your response 2: "_Again, noone made a counterargument to this, you are once again arguing vs arguments that never has been presented... You are also giving me useless information that is not based on anything that I have written here_" **You made that claim, i am arguing against you, nobody else. Its base on information that you WROTE.** [3] Your statement: "_No it doesnt need context to be approrpiate, its important that we dont label anyone we just meet as evil <- We should be openminded and if someone asks me a quesiton my first thought shouldnt be that "He asks me this cause he wants to harass me" - My first thought should be "He asks me this because he needs this information for something" <- And then I can ask him what he needs the inforamtion for... to label him before asking him is rather destructive beahvior._" My response: "_I dont personally think that asking me for my age is going to make me think that your a "evil person" and i am pretty sure thats the last thing they think about_" Your response: "_Its good that you let them know that you dont think it is, I dont think it is neither... so yay we can agree on something_" **The point i was making here is that nobody they just met is going to think that they are evil unless you are obviously showing some sort of signs.** [4] My comment: "_First thing that would come to my mind is why you would want my age and yes context matters because that wouldnt have been my first thought if you were to ask me that in a job interview. _" Your response: "_Then allow yourself to ask the question "Why do you want to know my age?" and allow me to explain why I would like to know your age... communiation is a wonderful thing if done right._" **You just completely forgot the whole point you were making for your self and the main argument that i was making. I dont even know where to begin with this one without going back to the start. LIke im just not gonna bother because i would have to go back to the beginning.** [5] My comment: "_You knowing this, its better that you let the person know your intent._ " Your response: "_Not really, I have tried this method and it doesnt work.. people just think Im behaving really weird and wants to cooperate less with me if I put all the cards on the table at once._" **You having to go around about way is behaving more WERID than being straight with the person your talking to. People would be more comfortable if you were to ask like this, "If you dont mind, i would like to get your age or general idea in order for me to get a better perspective and understanding of where you might be coming from". Do you see what i did there? I asked politely, and i also let the person know the reasons for why i would like to know their age. Your method of going about asking strangers for their age without context or good reason, will be for the most part, offensive. It is untactful and insulting because you want to put yourself in the "same level" as them as if your insulting their intelligence as well as making your self out to be in the superior position. You said communication is a wonderful thing, yes you right so USE IT PROPERLY.** [6] My comment: "_You mention being open minded, well, maybe you should try that and understand where the other side is coming from,_" Your response: _"this is really hard when the part that isnt me doesnt want to talk to me and doesnt want to explain nor answer questions... I cant do all job and I shouldnt have to to do all the job._" **I dont even know if your capable of being open minded at this point. I understood you loud and clear so you dont need to bother explaining your self. In fact i am the one thats doing all the job making this easier for you to understand. If your not even able to follow remotely what i have laid out here for you, than please go read some more book to help increase your level of comprehension. ** [7] My comment: "_especialy as something as asking for their age to a complete stranger._" Your response: "_But that goes 2 ways, maybe you missed that? To think that "He is asking my age because he wants to harass me" is rather negative thinking and not very productive nor humanitarian._" **Do you even understand what your saying? It doesnt go two ways, what are you smoking, God Bless Your Heart. Your asking the stranger for their age dude. When i said you need to be open minded, i am saying to put your self into their shoes and understand how asking a stranger for their age can be offensive and there for your chances of getting a defensive response is really high. With that in mind your approach needs to change base on who you talk to and the context of the situation.** [8] My comment: "_I dont think i said you were offensive, im pretty sure i said asking for peoples age without context can be offensive._" Your response: "_But riot games did, no its only offensive if you think its offensive, just like if you greet me with "hello" I can take offense to that too, doesnt mean its offensive nor offensive in its nature._" **Where do i begin, my GAWD. Actually im done**. Somehow i feel i gotten more stupid by the end of this. This has been a mental drain with lot of patients and restraints. I dont care at this point if you were able to follow any of what i have just explained. If you got it, great! If you didnt than forget about it and move on with your daily life. Continue to think that you are open minded and you didnt deserve the punishment you were given. I'm not even gonna reply to this thread anymore. Take care.
> [{quoted}](name=ExcaliburX,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=eOwyAj3n,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-10T14:11:00.820+0000) > > [8] > > My comment: "_I dont think i said you were offensive, im pretty sure i said asking for peoples age without context can be offensive._" > Your response: "_But riot games did, no its only offensive if you think its offensive, just like if you greet me with "hello" I can take offense to that too, doesnt mean its offensive nor offensive in its nature._" > > **Where do i begin, my GAWD. Actually im done**. > > > Somehow i feel i gotten more stupid by the end of this. This has been a mental drain with lot of patients and restraints. I dont care at this point if you were able to follow any of what i have just explained. If you got it, great! If you didnt than forget about it and move on with your daily life. Continue to think that you are open minded and you didnt deserve the punishment you were given. I'm not even gonna reply to this thread anymore. Take care. YAY LAST ONE (hopefully!) WOOHOO he is done!? .. but wait you are not, her ecomes more text... Gawd, I thought you were done mate!? Ahh, its more offtopic things that doesnt help nor support anything... again if I were to type the same way I would get punished. SO be happy you are one of the favorites among users here in these dying forums. Thanks for being done and hopefully you didn learn something, and that something is hopefully that Empathy goes 2 ways and racism actually exists.
: Oh my god... your gonna make me seriously do this because of your lack of ability to retain the information for what you said and how that ties to my response. I am going to make this as easy as i can for you so that you can understand where all my responses are coming from. Here we go: [1] Your statement: "_I have heard that if they tell me their age they are afraid I will hack them._" My response: "_First off, if they can hack, im sure its easy for hackers to get your info and age easily but thats irrelevant._" Your response: "_Yes it is, yet you bring it up._" **yes i mentioned it because YOU brought it up** [2] Your statement: "_To make it easy: there are 8 billion people in the world. Meaning that if you are 15 years ago, there are about 150.000.000 - 200.000.000 other people in the world of the same age... its not that personal._" My response 1: "_Second, having or using numbers base on the common info such as age does not determine if they are personal or not_" My response 2: "_Ask someone or anybody if having the same age as lot of people makes their age not a personal info to them._" Your response 1: "_Noone even made that claim, so you are arguing vs noone atm_" Your response 2: "_Again, noone made a counterargument to this, you are once again arguing vs arguments that never has been presented... You are also giving me useless information that is not based on anything that I have written here_" **You made that claim, i am arguing against you, nobody else. Its base on information that you WROTE.** [3] Your statement: "_No it doesnt need context to be approrpiate, its important that we dont label anyone we just meet as evil <- We should be openminded and if someone asks me a quesiton my first thought shouldnt be that "He asks me this cause he wants to harass me" - My first thought should be "He asks me this because he needs this information for something" <- And then I can ask him what he needs the inforamtion for... to label him before asking him is rather destructive beahvior._" My response: "_I dont personally think that asking me for my age is going to make me think that your a "evil person" and i am pretty sure thats the last thing they think about_" Your response: "_Its good that you let them know that you dont think it is, I dont think it is neither... so yay we can agree on something_" **The point i was making here is that nobody they just met is going to think that they are evil unless you are obviously showing some sort of signs.** [4] My comment: "_First thing that would come to my mind is why you would want my age and yes context matters because that wouldnt have been my first thought if you were to ask me that in a job interview. _" Your response: "_Then allow yourself to ask the question "Why do you want to know my age?" and allow me to explain why I would like to know your age... communiation is a wonderful thing if done right._" **You just completely forgot the whole point you were making for your self and the main argument that i was making. I dont even know where to begin with this one without going back to the start. LIke im just not gonna bother because i would have to go back to the beginning.** [5] My comment: "_You knowing this, its better that you let the person know your intent._ " Your response: "_Not really, I have tried this method and it doesnt work.. people just think Im behaving really weird and wants to cooperate less with me if I put all the cards on the table at once._" **You having to go around about way is behaving more WERID than being straight with the person your talking to. People would be more comfortable if you were to ask like this, "If you dont mind, i would like to get your age or general idea in order for me to get a better perspective and understanding of where you might be coming from". Do you see what i did there? I asked politely, and i also let the person know the reasons for why i would like to know their age. Your method of going about asking strangers for their age without context or good reason, will be for the most part, offensive. It is untactful and insulting because you want to put yourself in the "same level" as them as if your insulting their intelligence as well as making your self out to be in the superior position. You said communication is a wonderful thing, yes you right so USE IT PROPERLY.** [6] My comment: "_You mention being open minded, well, maybe you should try that and understand where the other side is coming from,_" Your response: _"this is really hard when the part that isnt me doesnt want to talk to me and doesnt want to explain nor answer questions... I cant do all job and I shouldnt have to to do all the job._" **I dont even know if your capable of being open minded at this point. I understood you loud and clear so you dont need to bother explaining your self. In fact i am the one thats doing all the job making this easier for you to understand. If your not even able to follow remotely what i have laid out here for you, than please go read some more book to help increase your level of comprehension. ** [7] My comment: "_especialy as something as asking for their age to a complete stranger._" Your response: "_But that goes 2 ways, maybe you missed that? To think that "He is asking my age because he wants to harass me" is rather negative thinking and not very productive nor humanitarian._" **Do you even understand what your saying? It doesnt go two ways, what are you smoking, God Bless Your Heart. Your asking the stranger for their age dude. When i said you need to be open minded, i am saying to put your self into their shoes and understand how asking a stranger for their age can be offensive and there for your chances of getting a defensive response is really high. With that in mind your approach needs to change base on who you talk to and the context of the situation.** [8] My comment: "_I dont think i said you were offensive, im pretty sure i said asking for peoples age without context can be offensive._" Your response: "_But riot games did, no its only offensive if you think its offensive, just like if you greet me with "hello" I can take offense to that too, doesnt mean its offensive nor offensive in its nature._" **Where do i begin, my GAWD. Actually im done**. Somehow i feel i gotten more stupid by the end of this. This has been a mental drain with lot of patients and restraints. I dont care at this point if you were able to follow any of what i have just explained. If you got it, great! If you didnt than forget about it and move on with your daily life. Continue to think that you are open minded and you didnt deserve the punishment you were given. I'm not even gonna reply to this thread anymore. Take care.
> [{quoted}](name=ExcaliburX,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=eOwyAj3n,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-10T14:11:00.820+0000) > [7] > > My comment: "_especialy as something as asking for their age to a complete stranger._" > Your response: "_But that goes 2 ways, maybe you missed that? To think that "He is asking my age because he wants to harass me" is rather negative thinking and not very productive nor humanitarian._" > > **Do you even understand what your saying? It doesnt go two ways, what are you smoking, God Bless Your Heart. Your asking the stranger for their age dude. When i said you need to be open minded, i am saying to put your self into their shoes and understand how asking a stranger for their age can be offensive and there for your chances of getting a defensive response is really high. With that in mind your approach needs to change base on who you talk to and the context of the situation.** I find it interesting and also proof that you are allowed to make a comment like that: "Do you even understand what your saying? It doesnt go two ways, what are you smoking, God Bless Your Heart" <- But if I did it I would actually get banned... and it actually happen. What about that golden rule? You are a person who have been favorited by moderators here <- be happy about that... and I can see that due to the way you argue, very bias and leaves out vital information, taking things out of context and missing points. Ahh, you talk about empathy? <- You know, the ability to allow yourself to feel feellings other people feel? You know, if your friend is sad, you can be sad with him and for him. If a friend is angry, you can also show ander and feel his anger. <- Stuff like this... this is what you are talking about? Its funny, cause a lot of people tell me what you just said, but you once again miss that it goes 2 ways, where is the empathy for me and the bad treatment I have revieved? <- Like being people not being truthful towards me , missunderstanding me and labeling me? ... Again, it goes 2 ways. Kinda hard to take someone serious who argues empathy for 1 side only.
: Oh my god... your gonna make me seriously do this because of your lack of ability to retain the information for what you said and how that ties to my response. I am going to make this as easy as i can for you so that you can understand where all my responses are coming from. Here we go: [1] Your statement: "_I have heard that if they tell me their age they are afraid I will hack them._" My response: "_First off, if they can hack, im sure its easy for hackers to get your info and age easily but thats irrelevant._" Your response: "_Yes it is, yet you bring it up._" **yes i mentioned it because YOU brought it up** [2] Your statement: "_To make it easy: there are 8 billion people in the world. Meaning that if you are 15 years ago, there are about 150.000.000 - 200.000.000 other people in the world of the same age... its not that personal._" My response 1: "_Second, having or using numbers base on the common info such as age does not determine if they are personal or not_" My response 2: "_Ask someone or anybody if having the same age as lot of people makes their age not a personal info to them._" Your response 1: "_Noone even made that claim, so you are arguing vs noone atm_" Your response 2: "_Again, noone made a counterargument to this, you are once again arguing vs arguments that never has been presented... You are also giving me useless information that is not based on anything that I have written here_" **You made that claim, i am arguing against you, nobody else. Its base on information that you WROTE.** [3] Your statement: "_No it doesnt need context to be approrpiate, its important that we dont label anyone we just meet as evil <- We should be openminded and if someone asks me a quesiton my first thought shouldnt be that "He asks me this cause he wants to harass me" - My first thought should be "He asks me this because he needs this information for something" <- And then I can ask him what he needs the inforamtion for... to label him before asking him is rather destructive beahvior._" My response: "_I dont personally think that asking me for my age is going to make me think that your a "evil person" and i am pretty sure thats the last thing they think about_" Your response: "_Its good that you let them know that you dont think it is, I dont think it is neither... so yay we can agree on something_" **The point i was making here is that nobody they just met is going to think that they are evil unless you are obviously showing some sort of signs.** [4] My comment: "_First thing that would come to my mind is why you would want my age and yes context matters because that wouldnt have been my first thought if you were to ask me that in a job interview. _" Your response: "_Then allow yourself to ask the question "Why do you want to know my age?" and allow me to explain why I would like to know your age... communiation is a wonderful thing if done right._" **You just completely forgot the whole point you were making for your self and the main argument that i was making. I dont even know where to begin with this one without going back to the start. LIke im just not gonna bother because i would have to go back to the beginning.** [5] My comment: "_You knowing this, its better that you let the person know your intent._ " Your response: "_Not really, I have tried this method and it doesnt work.. people just think Im behaving really weird and wants to cooperate less with me if I put all the cards on the table at once._" **You having to go around about way is behaving more WERID than being straight with the person your talking to. People would be more comfortable if you were to ask like this, "If you dont mind, i would like to get your age or general idea in order for me to get a better perspective and understanding of where you might be coming from". Do you see what i did there? I asked politely, and i also let the person know the reasons for why i would like to know their age. Your method of going about asking strangers for their age without context or good reason, will be for the most part, offensive. It is untactful and insulting because you want to put yourself in the "same level" as them as if your insulting their intelligence as well as making your self out to be in the superior position. You said communication is a wonderful thing, yes you right so USE IT PROPERLY.** [6] My comment: "_You mention being open minded, well, maybe you should try that and understand where the other side is coming from,_" Your response: _"this is really hard when the part that isnt me doesnt want to talk to me and doesnt want to explain nor answer questions... I cant do all job and I shouldnt have to to do all the job._" **I dont even know if your capable of being open minded at this point. I understood you loud and clear so you dont need to bother explaining your self. In fact i am the one thats doing all the job making this easier for you to understand. If your not even able to follow remotely what i have laid out here for you, than please go read some more book to help increase your level of comprehension. ** [7] My comment: "_especialy as something as asking for their age to a complete stranger._" Your response: "_But that goes 2 ways, maybe you missed that? To think that "He is asking my age because he wants to harass me" is rather negative thinking and not very productive nor humanitarian._" **Do you even understand what your saying? It doesnt go two ways, what are you smoking, God Bless Your Heart. Your asking the stranger for their age dude. When i said you need to be open minded, i am saying to put your self into their shoes and understand how asking a stranger for their age can be offensive and there for your chances of getting a defensive response is really high. With that in mind your approach needs to change base on who you talk to and the context of the situation.** [8] My comment: "_I dont think i said you were offensive, im pretty sure i said asking for peoples age without context can be offensive._" Your response: "_But riot games did, no its only offensive if you think its offensive, just like if you greet me with "hello" I can take offense to that too, doesnt mean its offensive nor offensive in its nature._" **Where do i begin, my GAWD. Actually im done**. Somehow i feel i gotten more stupid by the end of this. This has been a mental drain with lot of patients and restraints. I dont care at this point if you were able to follow any of what i have just explained. If you got it, great! If you didnt than forget about it and move on with your daily life. Continue to think that you are open minded and you didnt deserve the punishment you were given. I'm not even gonna reply to this thread anymore. Take care.
> [{quoted}](name=ExcaliburX,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=eOwyAj3n,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-10T14:11:00.820+0000) > [6] > > My comment: "_You mention being open minded, well, maybe you should try that and understand where the other side is coming from,_" > Your response: _"this is really hard when the part that isnt me doesnt want to talk to me and doesnt want to explain nor answer questions... I cant do all job and I shouldnt have to to do all the job._" > > **I dont even know if your capable of being open minded at this point. I understood you loud and clear so you dont need to bother explaining your self. In fact i am the one thats doing all the job making this easier for you to understand. If your not even able to follow remotely what i have laid out here for you, than please go read some more book to help increase your level of comprehension. ** Its nice and neat when you can take apart things and only focus on the stuff that you like... like for example you get a bag of candy, different candies but you only like certain types of candies... its really good that you can only eat those and ignore the rest... just like you did to my entire response that you find here and I believe you should read the entire thing, not just parts of it: <- this is really hard when the part that isnt me doesnt want to talk to me and doesnt want to explain nor answer questions... I cant do all job and I shouldnt have to to do all the job. Maybe you and others should try to be more openminded and understand my side, you know.. empathy about how I have been lied to by riot games, how riot games did slander me and have banned more then 5000hours of ingame time... Together with skins worth xxx dollars <- But this is not what its about, I have to clairfy this or else someone will come in here and this that this is what its about... again its not. Its funny that you dont think I can be openmided, well I can see when someone skips lots of infomration to fit the world/reality in to his narrative.
: Oh my god... your gonna make me seriously do this because of your lack of ability to retain the information for what you said and how that ties to my response. I am going to make this as easy as i can for you so that you can understand where all my responses are coming from. Here we go: [1] Your statement: "_I have heard that if they tell me their age they are afraid I will hack them._" My response: "_First off, if they can hack, im sure its easy for hackers to get your info and age easily but thats irrelevant._" Your response: "_Yes it is, yet you bring it up._" **yes i mentioned it because YOU brought it up** [2] Your statement: "_To make it easy: there are 8 billion people in the world. Meaning that if you are 15 years ago, there are about 150.000.000 - 200.000.000 other people in the world of the same age... its not that personal._" My response 1: "_Second, having or using numbers base on the common info such as age does not determine if they are personal or not_" My response 2: "_Ask someone or anybody if having the same age as lot of people makes their age not a personal info to them._" Your response 1: "_Noone even made that claim, so you are arguing vs noone atm_" Your response 2: "_Again, noone made a counterargument to this, you are once again arguing vs arguments that never has been presented... You are also giving me useless information that is not based on anything that I have written here_" **You made that claim, i am arguing against you, nobody else. Its base on information that you WROTE.** [3] Your statement: "_No it doesnt need context to be approrpiate, its important that we dont label anyone we just meet as evil <- We should be openminded and if someone asks me a quesiton my first thought shouldnt be that "He asks me this cause he wants to harass me" - My first thought should be "He asks me this because he needs this information for something" <- And then I can ask him what he needs the inforamtion for... to label him before asking him is rather destructive beahvior._" My response: "_I dont personally think that asking me for my age is going to make me think that your a "evil person" and i am pretty sure thats the last thing they think about_" Your response: "_Its good that you let them know that you dont think it is, I dont think it is neither... so yay we can agree on something_" **The point i was making here is that nobody they just met is going to think that they are evil unless you are obviously showing some sort of signs.** [4] My comment: "_First thing that would come to my mind is why you would want my age and yes context matters because that wouldnt have been my first thought if you were to ask me that in a job interview. _" Your response: "_Then allow yourself to ask the question "Why do you want to know my age?" and allow me to explain why I would like to know your age... communiation is a wonderful thing if done right._" **You just completely forgot the whole point you were making for your self and the main argument that i was making. I dont even know where to begin with this one without going back to the start. LIke im just not gonna bother because i would have to go back to the beginning.** [5] My comment: "_You knowing this, its better that you let the person know your intent._ " Your response: "_Not really, I have tried this method and it doesnt work.. people just think Im behaving really weird and wants to cooperate less with me if I put all the cards on the table at once._" **You having to go around about way is behaving more WERID than being straight with the person your talking to. People would be more comfortable if you were to ask like this, "If you dont mind, i would like to get your age or general idea in order for me to get a better perspective and understanding of where you might be coming from". Do you see what i did there? I asked politely, and i also let the person know the reasons for why i would like to know their age. Your method of going about asking strangers for their age without context or good reason, will be for the most part, offensive. It is untactful and insulting because you want to put yourself in the "same level" as them as if your insulting their intelligence as well as making your self out to be in the superior position. You said communication is a wonderful thing, yes you right so USE IT PROPERLY.** [6] My comment: "_You mention being open minded, well, maybe you should try that and understand where the other side is coming from,_" Your response: _"this is really hard when the part that isnt me doesnt want to talk to me and doesnt want to explain nor answer questions... I cant do all job and I shouldnt have to to do all the job._" **I dont even know if your capable of being open minded at this point. I understood you loud and clear so you dont need to bother explaining your self. In fact i am the one thats doing all the job making this easier for you to understand. If your not even able to follow remotely what i have laid out here for you, than please go read some more book to help increase your level of comprehension. ** [7] My comment: "_especialy as something as asking for their age to a complete stranger._" Your response: "_But that goes 2 ways, maybe you missed that? To think that "He is asking my age because he wants to harass me" is rather negative thinking and not very productive nor humanitarian._" **Do you even understand what your saying? It doesnt go two ways, what are you smoking, God Bless Your Heart. Your asking the stranger for their age dude. When i said you need to be open minded, i am saying to put your self into their shoes and understand how asking a stranger for their age can be offensive and there for your chances of getting a defensive response is really high. With that in mind your approach needs to change base on who you talk to and the context of the situation.** [8] My comment: "_I dont think i said you were offensive, im pretty sure i said asking for peoples age without context can be offensive._" Your response: "_But riot games did, no its only offensive if you think its offensive, just like if you greet me with "hello" I can take offense to that too, doesnt mean its offensive nor offensive in its nature._" **Where do i begin, my GAWD. Actually im done**. Somehow i feel i gotten more stupid by the end of this. This has been a mental drain with lot of patients and restraints. I dont care at this point if you were able to follow any of what i have just explained. If you got it, great! If you didnt than forget about it and move on with your daily life. Continue to think that you are open minded and you didnt deserve the punishment you were given. I'm not even gonna reply to this thread anymore. Take care.
> [{quoted}](name=ExcaliburX,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=eOwyAj3n,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-10T14:11:00.820+0000) > > [5] > > My comment: "_You knowing this, its better that you let the person know your intent._ " > Your response: "_Not really, I have tried this method and it doesnt work.. people just think Im behaving really weird and wants to cooperate less with me if I put all the cards on the table at once._" > > **You having to go around about way is behaving more WERID than being straight with the person your talking to. People would be more comfortable if you were to ask like this, "If you dont mind, i would like to get your age or general idea in order for me to get a better perspective and understanding of where you might be coming from". Do you see what i did there? I asked politely, and i also let the person know the reasons for why i would like to know their age. Your method of going about asking strangers for their age without context or good reason, will be for the most part, offensive. It is untactful and insulting because you want to put yourself in the "same level" as them as if your insulting their intelligence as well as making your self out to be in the superior position. You said communication is a wonderful thing, yes you right so USE IT PROPERLY.** > "You having to go around about way is behaving more WERID than being straight with the person your talking to. " <- No idea what this means Okey, its once again very important that you undertand that there are billions of people living on this planet, we are expressing ourselves in billions different ways. Noone communicates like me and noone communicates like you... In this case and cases like this (and regarding context) we are on LOL, if I were to "AFK" to post this msg:"If you dont mind, i would like to get your age or general idea in order for me to get a better perspective and understanding of where you might be coming from" <- people would start flaming me (I know cause I have this experience where people, as soon as they see my champion standing still start telling me "HE IS TYPING AGAIN!") <- This happen more then once. ALso, people dont want to read that amount of text in game nor does we really have time to have such communication, its lol fast pace moba game <- You understand this? "Age?" <- is much faster and the response "16" <- is better then "My age according to the human counting and the revolutions of the earth around the sun...." <- This takes too long time and noone wants to read it, fast and efficiant communiaiton is whats best for lol and taht is what players gerneally wants.
: Oh my god... your gonna make me seriously do this because of your lack of ability to retain the information for what you said and how that ties to my response. I am going to make this as easy as i can for you so that you can understand where all my responses are coming from. Here we go: [1] Your statement: "_I have heard that if they tell me their age they are afraid I will hack them._" My response: "_First off, if they can hack, im sure its easy for hackers to get your info and age easily but thats irrelevant._" Your response: "_Yes it is, yet you bring it up._" **yes i mentioned it because YOU brought it up** [2] Your statement: "_To make it easy: there are 8 billion people in the world. Meaning that if you are 15 years ago, there are about 150.000.000 - 200.000.000 other people in the world of the same age... its not that personal._" My response 1: "_Second, having or using numbers base on the common info such as age does not determine if they are personal or not_" My response 2: "_Ask someone or anybody if having the same age as lot of people makes their age not a personal info to them._" Your response 1: "_Noone even made that claim, so you are arguing vs noone atm_" Your response 2: "_Again, noone made a counterargument to this, you are once again arguing vs arguments that never has been presented... You are also giving me useless information that is not based on anything that I have written here_" **You made that claim, i am arguing against you, nobody else. Its base on information that you WROTE.** [3] Your statement: "_No it doesnt need context to be approrpiate, its important that we dont label anyone we just meet as evil <- We should be openminded and if someone asks me a quesiton my first thought shouldnt be that "He asks me this cause he wants to harass me" - My first thought should be "He asks me this because he needs this information for something" <- And then I can ask him what he needs the inforamtion for... to label him before asking him is rather destructive beahvior._" My response: "_I dont personally think that asking me for my age is going to make me think that your a "evil person" and i am pretty sure thats the last thing they think about_" Your response: "_Its good that you let them know that you dont think it is, I dont think it is neither... so yay we can agree on something_" **The point i was making here is that nobody they just met is going to think that they are evil unless you are obviously showing some sort of signs.** [4] My comment: "_First thing that would come to my mind is why you would want my age and yes context matters because that wouldnt have been my first thought if you were to ask me that in a job interview. _" Your response: "_Then allow yourself to ask the question "Why do you want to know my age?" and allow me to explain why I would like to know your age... communiation is a wonderful thing if done right._" **You just completely forgot the whole point you were making for your self and the main argument that i was making. I dont even know where to begin with this one without going back to the start. LIke im just not gonna bother because i would have to go back to the beginning.** [5] My comment: "_You knowing this, its better that you let the person know your intent._ " Your response: "_Not really, I have tried this method and it doesnt work.. people just think Im behaving really weird and wants to cooperate less with me if I put all the cards on the table at once._" **You having to go around about way is behaving more WERID than being straight with the person your talking to. People would be more comfortable if you were to ask like this, "If you dont mind, i would like to get your age or general idea in order for me to get a better perspective and understanding of where you might be coming from". Do you see what i did there? I asked politely, and i also let the person know the reasons for why i would like to know their age. Your method of going about asking strangers for their age without context or good reason, will be for the most part, offensive. It is untactful and insulting because you want to put yourself in the "same level" as them as if your insulting their intelligence as well as making your self out to be in the superior position. You said communication is a wonderful thing, yes you right so USE IT PROPERLY.** [6] My comment: "_You mention being open minded, well, maybe you should try that and understand where the other side is coming from,_" Your response: _"this is really hard when the part that isnt me doesnt want to talk to me and doesnt want to explain nor answer questions... I cant do all job and I shouldnt have to to do all the job._" **I dont even know if your capable of being open minded at this point. I understood you loud and clear so you dont need to bother explaining your self. In fact i am the one thats doing all the job making this easier for you to understand. If your not even able to follow remotely what i have laid out here for you, than please go read some more book to help increase your level of comprehension. ** [7] My comment: "_especialy as something as asking for their age to a complete stranger._" Your response: "_But that goes 2 ways, maybe you missed that? To think that "He is asking my age because he wants to harass me" is rather negative thinking and not very productive nor humanitarian._" **Do you even understand what your saying? It doesnt go two ways, what are you smoking, God Bless Your Heart. Your asking the stranger for their age dude. When i said you need to be open minded, i am saying to put your self into their shoes and understand how asking a stranger for their age can be offensive and there for your chances of getting a defensive response is really high. With that in mind your approach needs to change base on who you talk to and the context of the situation.** [8] My comment: "_I dont think i said you were offensive, im pretty sure i said asking for peoples age without context can be offensive._" Your response: "_But riot games did, no its only offensive if you think its offensive, just like if you greet me with "hello" I can take offense to that too, doesnt mean its offensive nor offensive in its nature._" **Where do i begin, my GAWD. Actually im done**. Somehow i feel i gotten more stupid by the end of this. This has been a mental drain with lot of patients and restraints. I dont care at this point if you were able to follow any of what i have just explained. If you got it, great! If you didnt than forget about it and move on with your daily life. Continue to think that you are open minded and you didnt deserve the punishment you were given. I'm not even gonna reply to this thread anymore. Take care.
> [{quoted}](name=ExcaliburX,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=eOwyAj3n,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-10T14:11:00.820+0000) > > [4] > > My comment: "_First thing that would come to my mind is why you would want my age and yes context matters because that wouldnt have been my first thought if you were to ask me that in a job interview. _" > Your response: "_Then allow yourself to ask the question "Why do you want to know my age?" and allow me to explain why I would like to know your age... communiation is a wonderful thing if done right._" > > **You just completely forgot the whole point you were making for your self and the main argument that i was making. I dont even know where to begin with this one without going back to the start. LIke im just not gonna bother because i would have to go back to the beginning.** Im reading this but this makes no sense to me, feel free trying to explain this one. I also dont see how you are on topic here nor what you are trying to argue for nor against. Is it a problem that we allow people to speak for themselves? <- WHere is the issue here?
: Oh my god... your gonna make me seriously do this because of your lack of ability to retain the information for what you said and how that ties to my response. I am going to make this as easy as i can for you so that you can understand where all my responses are coming from. Here we go: [1] Your statement: "_I have heard that if they tell me their age they are afraid I will hack them._" My response: "_First off, if they can hack, im sure its easy for hackers to get your info and age easily but thats irrelevant._" Your response: "_Yes it is, yet you bring it up._" **yes i mentioned it because YOU brought it up** [2] Your statement: "_To make it easy: there are 8 billion people in the world. Meaning that if you are 15 years ago, there are about 150.000.000 - 200.000.000 other people in the world of the same age... its not that personal._" My response 1: "_Second, having or using numbers base on the common info such as age does not determine if they are personal or not_" My response 2: "_Ask someone or anybody if having the same age as lot of people makes their age not a personal info to them._" Your response 1: "_Noone even made that claim, so you are arguing vs noone atm_" Your response 2: "_Again, noone made a counterargument to this, you are once again arguing vs arguments that never has been presented... You are also giving me useless information that is not based on anything that I have written here_" **You made that claim, i am arguing against you, nobody else. Its base on information that you WROTE.** [3] Your statement: "_No it doesnt need context to be approrpiate, its important that we dont label anyone we just meet as evil <- We should be openminded and if someone asks me a quesiton my first thought shouldnt be that "He asks me this cause he wants to harass me" - My first thought should be "He asks me this because he needs this information for something" <- And then I can ask him what he needs the inforamtion for... to label him before asking him is rather destructive beahvior._" My response: "_I dont personally think that asking me for my age is going to make me think that your a "evil person" and i am pretty sure thats the last thing they think about_" Your response: "_Its good that you let them know that you dont think it is, I dont think it is neither... so yay we can agree on something_" **The point i was making here is that nobody they just met is going to think that they are evil unless you are obviously showing some sort of signs.** [4] My comment: "_First thing that would come to my mind is why you would want my age and yes context matters because that wouldnt have been my first thought if you were to ask me that in a job interview. _" Your response: "_Then allow yourself to ask the question "Why do you want to know my age?" and allow me to explain why I would like to know your age... communiation is a wonderful thing if done right._" **You just completely forgot the whole point you were making for your self and the main argument that i was making. I dont even know where to begin with this one without going back to the start. LIke im just not gonna bother because i would have to go back to the beginning.** [5] My comment: "_You knowing this, its better that you let the person know your intent._ " Your response: "_Not really, I have tried this method and it doesnt work.. people just think Im behaving really weird and wants to cooperate less with me if I put all the cards on the table at once._" **You having to go around about way is behaving more WERID than being straight with the person your talking to. People would be more comfortable if you were to ask like this, "If you dont mind, i would like to get your age or general idea in order for me to get a better perspective and understanding of where you might be coming from". Do you see what i did there? I asked politely, and i also let the person know the reasons for why i would like to know their age. Your method of going about asking strangers for their age without context or good reason, will be for the most part, offensive. It is untactful and insulting because you want to put yourself in the "same level" as them as if your insulting their intelligence as well as making your self out to be in the superior position. You said communication is a wonderful thing, yes you right so USE IT PROPERLY.** [6] My comment: "_You mention being open minded, well, maybe you should try that and understand where the other side is coming from,_" Your response: _"this is really hard when the part that isnt me doesnt want to talk to me and doesnt want to explain nor answer questions... I cant do all job and I shouldnt have to to do all the job._" **I dont even know if your capable of being open minded at this point. I understood you loud and clear so you dont need to bother explaining your self. In fact i am the one thats doing all the job making this easier for you to understand. If your not even able to follow remotely what i have laid out here for you, than please go read some more book to help increase your level of comprehension. ** [7] My comment: "_especialy as something as asking for their age to a complete stranger._" Your response: "_But that goes 2 ways, maybe you missed that? To think that "He is asking my age because he wants to harass me" is rather negative thinking and not very productive nor humanitarian._" **Do you even understand what your saying? It doesnt go two ways, what are you smoking, God Bless Your Heart. Your asking the stranger for their age dude. When i said you need to be open minded, i am saying to put your self into their shoes and understand how asking a stranger for their age can be offensive and there for your chances of getting a defensive response is really high. With that in mind your approach needs to change base on who you talk to and the context of the situation.** [8] My comment: "_I dont think i said you were offensive, im pretty sure i said asking for peoples age without context can be offensive._" Your response: "_But riot games did, no its only offensive if you think its offensive, just like if you greet me with "hello" I can take offense to that too, doesnt mean its offensive nor offensive in its nature._" **Where do i begin, my GAWD. Actually im done**. Somehow i feel i gotten more stupid by the end of this. This has been a mental drain with lot of patients and restraints. I dont care at this point if you were able to follow any of what i have just explained. If you got it, great! If you didnt than forget about it and move on with your daily life. Continue to think that you are open minded and you didnt deserve the punishment you were given. I'm not even gonna reply to this thread anymore. Take care.
> [{quoted}](name=ExcaliburX,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=eOwyAj3n,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-10T14:11:00.820+0000) > > [3] > > Your statement: "_No it doesnt need context to be approrpiate, its important that we dont label anyone we just meet as evil <- We should be openminded and if someone asks me a quesiton my first thought shouldnt be that "He asks me this cause he wants to harass me" - My first thought should be "He asks me this because he needs this information for something" <- And then I can ask him what he needs the inforamtion for... to label him before asking him is rather destructive beahvior._" > My response: "_I dont personally think that asking me for my age is going to make me think that your a "evil person" and i am pretty sure thats the last thing they think about_" > Your response: "_Its good that you let them know that you dont think it is, I dont think it is neither... so yay we can agree on something_" > > **The point i was making here is that nobody they just met is going to think that they are evil unless you are obviously showing some sort of signs.** > No here you are dead wrong again. I have in fact been targeted, slandered etc based on nothing but peoples saying. Even less then that. Just because of the way I looks (I have a beard) People have had ideas about who am I and what I believe in. This is called steriotyping <- You need to understand that this exist, racism also exist. Its very well documented and to ignore that is just... idk, I cant really put words on it because then I get banned... But you should ask someone IRL about it and they can tell you all about racism and what they think about people who think racism doesnt exist.
: Oh my god... your gonna make me seriously do this because of your lack of ability to retain the information for what you said and how that ties to my response. I am going to make this as easy as i can for you so that you can understand where all my responses are coming from. Here we go: [1] Your statement: "_I have heard that if they tell me their age they are afraid I will hack them._" My response: "_First off, if they can hack, im sure its easy for hackers to get your info and age easily but thats irrelevant._" Your response: "_Yes it is, yet you bring it up._" **yes i mentioned it because YOU brought it up** [2] Your statement: "_To make it easy: there are 8 billion people in the world. Meaning that if you are 15 years ago, there are about 150.000.000 - 200.000.000 other people in the world of the same age... its not that personal._" My response 1: "_Second, having or using numbers base on the common info such as age does not determine if they are personal or not_" My response 2: "_Ask someone or anybody if having the same age as lot of people makes their age not a personal info to them._" Your response 1: "_Noone even made that claim, so you are arguing vs noone atm_" Your response 2: "_Again, noone made a counterargument to this, you are once again arguing vs arguments that never has been presented... You are also giving me useless information that is not based on anything that I have written here_" **You made that claim, i am arguing against you, nobody else. Its base on information that you WROTE.** [3] Your statement: "_No it doesnt need context to be approrpiate, its important that we dont label anyone we just meet as evil <- We should be openminded and if someone asks me a quesiton my first thought shouldnt be that "He asks me this cause he wants to harass me" - My first thought should be "He asks me this because he needs this information for something" <- And then I can ask him what he needs the inforamtion for... to label him before asking him is rather destructive beahvior._" My response: "_I dont personally think that asking me for my age is going to make me think that your a "evil person" and i am pretty sure thats the last thing they think about_" Your response: "_Its good that you let them know that you dont think it is, I dont think it is neither... so yay we can agree on something_" **The point i was making here is that nobody they just met is going to think that they are evil unless you are obviously showing some sort of signs.** [4] My comment: "_First thing that would come to my mind is why you would want my age and yes context matters because that wouldnt have been my first thought if you were to ask me that in a job interview. _" Your response: "_Then allow yourself to ask the question "Why do you want to know my age?" and allow me to explain why I would like to know your age... communiation is a wonderful thing if done right._" **You just completely forgot the whole point you were making for your self and the main argument that i was making. I dont even know where to begin with this one without going back to the start. LIke im just not gonna bother because i would have to go back to the beginning.** [5] My comment: "_You knowing this, its better that you let the person know your intent._ " Your response: "_Not really, I have tried this method and it doesnt work.. people just think Im behaving really weird and wants to cooperate less with me if I put all the cards on the table at once._" **You having to go around about way is behaving more WERID than being straight with the person your talking to. People would be more comfortable if you were to ask like this, "If you dont mind, i would like to get your age or general idea in order for me to get a better perspective and understanding of where you might be coming from". Do you see what i did there? I asked politely, and i also let the person know the reasons for why i would like to know their age. Your method of going about asking strangers for their age without context or good reason, will be for the most part, offensive. It is untactful and insulting because you want to put yourself in the "same level" as them as if your insulting their intelligence as well as making your self out to be in the superior position. You said communication is a wonderful thing, yes you right so USE IT PROPERLY.** [6] My comment: "_You mention being open minded, well, maybe you should try that and understand where the other side is coming from,_" Your response: _"this is really hard when the part that isnt me doesnt want to talk to me and doesnt want to explain nor answer questions... I cant do all job and I shouldnt have to to do all the job._" **I dont even know if your capable of being open minded at this point. I understood you loud and clear so you dont need to bother explaining your self. In fact i am the one thats doing all the job making this easier for you to understand. If your not even able to follow remotely what i have laid out here for you, than please go read some more book to help increase your level of comprehension. ** [7] My comment: "_especialy as something as asking for their age to a complete stranger._" Your response: "_But that goes 2 ways, maybe you missed that? To think that "He is asking my age because he wants to harass me" is rather negative thinking and not very productive nor humanitarian._" **Do you even understand what your saying? It doesnt go two ways, what are you smoking, God Bless Your Heart. Your asking the stranger for their age dude. When i said you need to be open minded, i am saying to put your self into their shoes and understand how asking a stranger for their age can be offensive and there for your chances of getting a defensive response is really high. With that in mind your approach needs to change base on who you talk to and the context of the situation.** [8] My comment: "_I dont think i said you were offensive, im pretty sure i said asking for peoples age without context can be offensive._" Your response: "_But riot games did, no its only offensive if you think its offensive, just like if you greet me with "hello" I can take offense to that too, doesnt mean its offensive nor offensive in its nature._" **Where do i begin, my GAWD. Actually im done**. Somehow i feel i gotten more stupid by the end of this. This has been a mental drain with lot of patients and restraints. I dont care at this point if you were able to follow any of what i have just explained. If you got it, great! If you didnt than forget about it and move on with your daily life. Continue to think that you are open minded and you didnt deserve the punishment you were given. I'm not even gonna reply to this thread anymore. Take care.
> [{quoted}](name=ExcaliburX,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=eOwyAj3n,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-10T14:11:00.820+0000) > > > [2] > > Your statement: "_To make it easy: there are 8 billion people in the world. Meaning that if you are 15 years ago, there are about 150.000.000 - 200.000.000 other people in the world of the same age... its not that personal._" > My response 1: "_Second, having or using numbers base on the common info such as age does not determine if they are personal or not_" > My response 2: "_Ask someone or anybody if having the same age as lot of people makes their age not a personal info to them._" > Your response 1: "_Noone even made that claim, so you are arguing vs noone atm_" > Your response 2: "_Again, noone made a counterargument to this, you are once again arguing vs arguments that never has been presented... You are also giving me useless information that is not based on anything that I have written here_" > > **You made that claim, i am arguing against you, nobody else. Its base on information that you WROTE.** Here is where you are dead wrong. You are afraid to have your personal information shared because you are afraid you get harmed physically, econoically or metnally. I can believe that the colors on my socks is personal information but the matter of the fact is that I wont make less money doing my job depending on the color of my socks... However I can get fired from my job if they found out the personal information that I do drugs (I dont, this is an example trying to explain the point I was previously making) <- I have to clarify this because if I dont people will think its reality even though this is very obvious that Im making a point. So again. You are afraid Im going to hack you if I know your age... but that is impossible, making your fears not only irrelevant, its makes them phobias. If I tell you I share the same salery as 30.000 people on this planet <- You still dont know my salery and cant use that information against me. Its "personal" information, yet it isnt. "Personal information is information or an opinion, including information or an opinion forming part of a database, whether true or not, and whether recorded in a material form or not, about an individual whose identity is apparent, or can reasonably be ascertained, from the information or opinion." No I didnt make the claim, so that is a none-truth you told there. This is you: "Ask someone or anybody if having the same age as lot of people makes their age not a personal info to them." This is bad rhetoric (its a term, not an opinion, you can look it up). Again: If you say hello to me, its you greeting me... but if I interpet that as you being rude to me, then I feel harassed... it doesnt mean that you in fact harassed me. Im well aware that there are billions of people with billions of opinions on billions different things on this planet, this is nothing new what so ever to anyone. Once upon a time majority thought that the earth was flat and they were all wrong... people still think the earth is flat and they are still wrong. To argue about someones opinions based on feelings and not facts is not helpful for anyone <- Try to understand this.
: Oh my god... your gonna make me seriously do this because of your lack of ability to retain the information for what you said and how that ties to my response. I am going to make this as easy as i can for you so that you can understand where all my responses are coming from. Here we go: [1] Your statement: "_I have heard that if they tell me their age they are afraid I will hack them._" My response: "_First off, if they can hack, im sure its easy for hackers to get your info and age easily but thats irrelevant._" Your response: "_Yes it is, yet you bring it up._" **yes i mentioned it because YOU brought it up** [2] Your statement: "_To make it easy: there are 8 billion people in the world. Meaning that if you are 15 years ago, there are about 150.000.000 - 200.000.000 other people in the world of the same age... its not that personal._" My response 1: "_Second, having or using numbers base on the common info such as age does not determine if they are personal or not_" My response 2: "_Ask someone or anybody if having the same age as lot of people makes their age not a personal info to them._" Your response 1: "_Noone even made that claim, so you are arguing vs noone atm_" Your response 2: "_Again, noone made a counterargument to this, you are once again arguing vs arguments that never has been presented... You are also giving me useless information that is not based on anything that I have written here_" **You made that claim, i am arguing against you, nobody else. Its base on information that you WROTE.** [3] Your statement: "_No it doesnt need context to be approrpiate, its important that we dont label anyone we just meet as evil <- We should be openminded and if someone asks me a quesiton my first thought shouldnt be that "He asks me this cause he wants to harass me" - My first thought should be "He asks me this because he needs this information for something" <- And then I can ask him what he needs the inforamtion for... to label him before asking him is rather destructive beahvior._" My response: "_I dont personally think that asking me for my age is going to make me think that your a "evil person" and i am pretty sure thats the last thing they think about_" Your response: "_Its good that you let them know that you dont think it is, I dont think it is neither... so yay we can agree on something_" **The point i was making here is that nobody they just met is going to think that they are evil unless you are obviously showing some sort of signs.** [4] My comment: "_First thing that would come to my mind is why you would want my age and yes context matters because that wouldnt have been my first thought if you were to ask me that in a job interview. _" Your response: "_Then allow yourself to ask the question "Why do you want to know my age?" and allow me to explain why I would like to know your age... communiation is a wonderful thing if done right._" **You just completely forgot the whole point you were making for your self and the main argument that i was making. I dont even know where to begin with this one without going back to the start. LIke im just not gonna bother because i would have to go back to the beginning.** [5] My comment: "_You knowing this, its better that you let the person know your intent._ " Your response: "_Not really, I have tried this method and it doesnt work.. people just think Im behaving really weird and wants to cooperate less with me if I put all the cards on the table at once._" **You having to go around about way is behaving more WERID than being straight with the person your talking to. People would be more comfortable if you were to ask like this, "If you dont mind, i would like to get your age or general idea in order for me to get a better perspective and understanding of where you might be coming from". Do you see what i did there? I asked politely, and i also let the person know the reasons for why i would like to know their age. Your method of going about asking strangers for their age without context or good reason, will be for the most part, offensive. It is untactful and insulting because you want to put yourself in the "same level" as them as if your insulting their intelligence as well as making your self out to be in the superior position. You said communication is a wonderful thing, yes you right so USE IT PROPERLY.** [6] My comment: "_You mention being open minded, well, maybe you should try that and understand where the other side is coming from,_" Your response: _"this is really hard when the part that isnt me doesnt want to talk to me and doesnt want to explain nor answer questions... I cant do all job and I shouldnt have to to do all the job._" **I dont even know if your capable of being open minded at this point. I understood you loud and clear so you dont need to bother explaining your self. In fact i am the one thats doing all the job making this easier for you to understand. If your not even able to follow remotely what i have laid out here for you, than please go read some more book to help increase your level of comprehension. ** [7] My comment: "_especialy as something as asking for their age to a complete stranger._" Your response: "_But that goes 2 ways, maybe you missed that? To think that "He is asking my age because he wants to harass me" is rather negative thinking and not very productive nor humanitarian._" **Do you even understand what your saying? It doesnt go two ways, what are you smoking, God Bless Your Heart. Your asking the stranger for their age dude. When i said you need to be open minded, i am saying to put your self into their shoes and understand how asking a stranger for their age can be offensive and there for your chances of getting a defensive response is really high. With that in mind your approach needs to change base on who you talk to and the context of the situation.** [8] My comment: "_I dont think i said you were offensive, im pretty sure i said asking for peoples age without context can be offensive._" Your response: "_But riot games did, no its only offensive if you think its offensive, just like if you greet me with "hello" I can take offense to that too, doesnt mean its offensive nor offensive in its nature._" **Where do i begin, my GAWD. Actually im done**. Somehow i feel i gotten more stupid by the end of this. This has been a mental drain with lot of patients and restraints. I dont care at this point if you were able to follow any of what i have just explained. If you got it, great! If you didnt than forget about it and move on with your daily life. Continue to think that you are open minded and you didnt deserve the punishment you were given. I'm not even gonna reply to this thread anymore. Take care.
> [{quoted}](name=ExcaliburX,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=eOwyAj3n,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-10T14:11:00.820+0000) > > Oh my god... your gonna make me seriously do this because of your lack of ability to retain the information for what you said and how that ties to my response. I am going to make this as easy as i can for you so that you can understand where all my responses are coming from. Here we go: > > [1] > > Your statement: "_I have heard that if they tell me their age they are afraid I will hack them._" > My response: "_First off, if they can hack, im sure its easy for hackers to get your info and age easily but thats irrelevant._" > Your response: "_Yes it is, yet you bring it up._" > > **yes i mentioned it because YOU brought it up** Okey, so everything I mention you will bring up? I believe I have been speaking about dogs previously, why dont you comment on that as well? The information given to me is useless and doesnt bring anything to the conversation nor thread, it doesnt answer any questions that has been posted in this thread... Its simply a useless comment on one of my comments that I used to point out the fact that asking for someones age is not harassment and I can barly do anything with the information aobut your age. Especially hack someone from that information. <- To me it looks like you missed this point completly and started to comment on the points I was trying to make, just to comment on the points I was trying to make... if it was because you missed the point or trying to make others miss the point, I dont know.. only you knows this.
: Well my guess as to why you posted the image would be a result of: >I do not see any evidence that you are banned from Discord; **if this was on a different account, please provide me a name and I will look into it.** I highlighted the part that would have also worked besides an imagr. Simply telling him the name you were using in the server at the time. And telling you that you can get more information there is part of the template they use for deletions and responses. So actions taken on an account contain that bit by default. As for the lock of the post, that was direxted to everyone and not just you.
> [{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=F8bHJqIU,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-10T13:57:04.959+0000) > > Well my guess as to why you posted the image would be a result of: > > I highlighted the part that would have also worked besides an imagr. Simply telling him the name you were using in the server at the time. > > And telling you that you can get more information there is part of the template they use for deletions and responses. So actions taken on an account contain that bit by default. As for the lock of the post, that was direxted to everyone and not just you. That is great but I urge you to be more neutral to information and not as bias. The point Im trying to make (that you missed) is the part you didnt put on bold, this part right here: "I do not see any evidence that you are banned from Discord" <- Hence why I posted the image, its very logical and resonable. To give him the name doesnt serve any purpose nor does it have anything to do with this thread, or maybe you can explain how me giving him my discord name helps this thread or the topic? <- Also whar do you think this thread is about? Fact: People in here knows me, hence the amount of downvotes and negative feedback and people going offtopic regarding me. Its very easy for this moderator to contact any other moderator and the should know who I am, because they all dealt with me one time or another. I understand that its a template <- I never questioned this, what I quesiton is the level of professionalism regaring this template as it is totally useles information for me and rather useless for everyone else as well. "As for the lock of the post, that was direxted to everyone and not just you." <- This is super important that you said. No, if I own a car and there are 5 people in that car, me being one of them. If the police takes the car away from us... Im the one who suffers the most, the other people in my car didnt lose anything other then the temporary transport that they can get from basically anyone, there are even services like bus or taxi to aid them... for me I lost a car <- Its really important that you and riot understands this. I know explaining things here never changes anything, thats not why I do it. <-
: Dude cant you give it a rest already, Jikker was being very calm and nice with you and all you have done is try to keep it going and saying how you are going to report him. And he cant treat you like he treats his friends and Co-workers because that is not how a job works. I dont walk into a store and expect the cashier to yell "YOOOO DUDE WHAT UUUUUUP" I expect them to say something more like "Hi welcome to *instert store name* how may i help you today sir"
> [{quoted}](name=Pigalishus,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=F8bHJqIU,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-10-08T23:14:56.615+0000) > > Dude cant you give it a rest already, Jikker was being very calm and nice with you and all you have done is try to keep it going and saying how you are going to report him. And he cant treat you like he treats his friends and Co-workers because that is not how a job works. I dont walk into a store and expect the cashier to yell "YOOOO DUDE WHAT UUUUUUP" I expect them to say something more like "Hi welcome to *instert store name* how may i help you today sir" Fact of the matter is: I have tried every single way to reach rioters and be able to talk to them, they have used same method every single time. Im the one trying to cooperate and adapt, they are not. They still think Spamming is: this this this this this... reality Im just repeating myself, Im not spamming. So idk, maybe riot games should try that: "YOOOO DUDE WHAT UUUUUUP" <- once with me and see if that helps or solves the issue that we have been having for ... is it 6 years now riot? Btw, I got the solution now and I will use it, just wait and see :)
: Dude cant you give it a rest already, Jikker was being very calm and nice with you and all you have done is try to keep it going and saying how you are going to report him. And he cant treat you like he treats his friends and Co-workers because that is not how a job works. I dont walk into a store and expect the cashier to yell "YOOOO DUDE WHAT UUUUUUP" I expect them to say something more like "Hi welcome to *instert store name* how may i help you today sir"
> [{quoted}](name=Pigalishus,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=F8bHJqIU,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-10-08T23:14:56.615+0000) > > Dude cant you give it a rest already, Jikker was being very calm and nice with you and all you have done is try to keep it going and saying how you are going to report him. And he cant treat you like he treats his friends and Co-workers because that is not how a job works. I dont walk into a store and expect the cashier to yell "YOOOO DUDE WHAT UUUUUUP" I expect them to say something more like "Hi welcome to *instert store name* how may i help you today sir" Really, your friends use "YOOOO DUDE WHAT UUUUUUP" <- ? Wow okey... Im not allowed to ask your age here cause then I harass you according to riot games.
: Dude cant you give it a rest already, Jikker was being very calm and nice with you and all you have done is try to keep it going and saying how you are going to report him. And he cant treat you like he treats his friends and Co-workers because that is not how a job works. I dont walk into a store and expect the cashier to yell "YOOOO DUDE WHAT UUUUUUP" I expect them to say something more like "Hi welcome to *instert store name* how may i help you today sir"
> [{quoted}](name=Pigalishus,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=F8bHJqIU,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-10-08T23:14:56.615+0000) > > Dude cant you give it a rest already, Jikker was being very calm and nice with you and all you have done is try to keep it going and saying how you are going to report him. And he cant treat you like he treats his friends and Co-workers because that is not how a job works. I dont walk into a store and expect the cashier to yell "YOOOO DUDE WHAT UUUUUUP" I expect them to say something more like "Hi welcome to *instert store name* how may i help you today sir" "And he cant treat you like he treats his friends and Co-workers because that is not how a job works." <- this one I like. Im 30+ years old and have been working for 10+ years. I have been able to treat every customer/client I ever had like a friend or co-worker without getting in to any trouble with any of my bosses.... its strange huh? That I have this superpower that makes me able to do things that other people simply cant do.
: Dude cant you give it a rest already, Jikker was being very calm and nice with you and all you have done is try to keep it going and saying how you are going to report him. And he cant treat you like he treats his friends and Co-workers because that is not how a job works. I dont walk into a store and expect the cashier to yell "YOOOO DUDE WHAT UUUUUUP" I expect them to say something more like "Hi welcome to *instert store name* how may i help you today sir"
> [{quoted}](name=Pigalishus,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=F8bHJqIU,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-10-08T23:14:56.615+0000) > > Dude cant you give it a rest already, Jikker was being very calm and nice with you and all you have done is try to keep it going and saying how you are going to report him. And he cant treat you like he treats his friends and Co-workers because that is not how a job works. I dont walk into a store and expect the cashier to yell "YOOOO DUDE WHAT UUUUUUP" I expect them to say something more like "Hi welcome to *instert store name* how may i help you today sir" Hello, context is important, how much of the context do you know/Understand? If you only read parts of a text then I agree, I looks like a monster, if you take in to account everything riot have done to me over several years... then my behavior is beyond mild <- Really, beyond mild. I chose to report him because of how he and other moderators in here are behaving towards me and others... Like the one moderator lying about me, when I let him/her know he/she was, that comment got removed. To only see one side is called to be bias. You know if you support a team, you dont think that team is ever doing anything wrong, its the best team in the world and you have the best players, even if you end up close to the bottom of the table... IM a TL/curse fan since Piglet joined, so I know what that is like. Btw, how are you on topic?
: I don't know if it is the language barrier that is leading to a misunderstanding or something else. At this point, Jikker and everyone else seeing your post understands you are banned from the Discord. The response was about learning what the name of the account that was banned. He was asking the name of that account so he could try and look up why it may have been banned. @Jikker. Djinn talked briefly about it here. Djinn might have the name as he removed it once OP shared it. > [{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=cFcPl6Ey,comment-id=00070001000000010000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T23:15:33.842+0000)
> [{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=F8bHJqIU,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-10-08T22:22:10.110+0000) > > I don't know if it is the language barrier that is leading to a misunderstanding or something else. At this point, Jikker and everyone else seeing your post understands you are banned from the Discord. The response was about learning what the name of the account that was banned. He was asking the name of that account so he could try and look up why it may have been banned. > > @Jikker. Djinn talked briefly about it here. Djinn might have the name as he removed it once OP shared it. I understand this, do you understand what he said that made me post that image? Please quote what you think Im reffering to. Also, Im not looking to be unbanned from that place, a place where I have been lied to and at. <- I was simply stating the fact that , to tell me I can get more information in a place Im banned in is not only unprofessional, its rather rude.
: > [{quoted}](name=MuteAllFromStart,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=eOwyAj3n,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-10-08T19:00:30.085+0000) > > Hello and welcome to the thread! > I have heard that argument before, that it is personal. I have heard that if they tell me their age they are afraid I will hack them. > To make it easy: there are 8 billion people in the world. Meaning that if you are 15 years ago, there are about 150.000.000 - 200.000.000 other people in the world of the same age... its not that personal. <- > > No it doesnt need context to be approrpiate, its important that we dont label anyone we just meet as evil <- We should be openminded and if someone asks me a quesiton my first thought shouldnt be that "He asks me this cause he wants to harass me" <- My first thought should be "He asks me this because he needs this information for something" <- And then I can ask him what he needs the inforamtion for... to label him before asking him is rather destructive beahvior. > > No Im not offensive just because I ask a questions <- Why would you think I am? > > I find it strange.. when I was brought up in the country of Sweden we actually had tv-shows on government media that said "THere are not stupid quesitons" <- encouraging an entire country to ask quesitons so that we can understand... We are an understanding people (generally) ... so how can we differ so much and how can you think questions have evil intentions? I think your getting the wrong idea or rather your not really getting it because to you its not a big deal. So speaking for the person thats being asked, i dont think the first thing that comes to their mind is "oh no his going to hack me with my age info". First off, if they can hack, im sure its easy for hackers to get your info and age easily but thats irrelevant. Second, having or using numbers base on the common info such as age does not determine if they are personal or not. Ask someone or anybody if having the same age as lot of people makes their age not a personal info to them. You find out that majority of people are not gonna care about other people having the same age as them, its still gonna be personal info. I dont personally think that asking me for my age is going to make me think that your a "evil person" and i am pretty sure thats the last thing they think about. First thing that would come to my mind is why you would want my age and yes context matters because that wouldnt have been my first thought if you were to ask me that in a job interview. You knowing this, its better that you let the person know your intent. You mention being open minded, well, maybe you should try that and understand where the other side is coming from, especialy as something as asking for their age to a complete stranger. I dont think i said you were offensive, im pretty sure i said asking for peoples age without context can be offensive.
> [{quoted}](name=ExcaliburX,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=eOwyAj3n,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-10-08T23:12:37.023+0000) > > I think your getting the wrong idea or rather your not really getting it because to you its not a big deal. So speaking for the person thats being asked, i dont think the first thing that comes to their mind is "oh no his going to hack me with my age info". First off, if they can hack, im sure its easy for hackers to get your info and age easily but thats irrelevant. Second, having or using numbers base on the common info such as age does not determine if they are personal or not. Ask someone or anybody if having the same age as lot of people makes their age not a personal info to them. You find out that majority of people are not gonna care about other people having the same age as them, its still gonna be personal info. > > I dont personally think that asking me for my age is going to make me think that your a "evil person" and i am pretty sure thats the last thing they think about. First thing that would come to my mind is why you would want my age and yes context matters because that wouldnt have been my first thought if you were to ask me that in a job interview. You knowing this, its better that you let the person know your intent. You mention being open minded, well, maybe you should try that and understand where the other side is coming from, especialy as something as asking for their age to a complete stranger. > > I dont think i said you were offensive, im pretty sure i said asking for peoples age without context can be offensive. Well I have been suspended and yelled at by riot for this "Not a big deal" to you. And I understand the personality typ that doesnt care when others get hurt or mistreated, there are people like that all over the world. Well it happens and you know how I know? cause I talk to people, I allow them to explain themselves and I have had that explanation, that he was afirad I would hack him just from knowing his age. "First off, if they can hack, im sure its easy for hackers to get your info and age easily but thats irrelevant. " <- Yes it is, yet you bring it up. "Second, having or using numbers base on the common info such as age does not determine if they are personal or not" <- Noone even made that claim, so you are arguing vs noone atm. "Ask someone or anybody if having the same age as lot of people makes their age not a personal info to them." <- Again, you are arguing vs noone here and against a point I never maid, if you dont understand the points Im trying to make, let me know and I try to clarify them for you. "You find out that majority of people are not gonna care about other people having the same age as them, its still gonna be personal info." <- Again, noone made a counterargument to this, you are once again arguing vs arguments that never has been presented... You are also giving me useless information that is not based on anything that I have written here. "I dont personally think that asking me for my age is going to make me think that your a "evil person" and i am pretty sure thats the last thing they think about" <- Yet RIOT-Games deem to ask someones age as "harassment" <- Its good that you let them know that you dont think it is, I dont think it is neither... so yay we can agree on something. "First thing that would come to my mind is why you would want my age and yes context matters because that wouldnt have been my first thought if you were to ask me that in a job interview. " <- Then allow yourself to ask the question "Why do you want to know my age?" and allow me to explain why I would like to know your age... communiation is a wonderful thing if done right. "You knowing this, its better that you let the person know your intent. " <- Not really, I have tried this method and it doesnt work.. people just think Im behaving really weird and wants to cooperate less with me if I put all the cards on the table at once. Hence why you talk to someone and build up a relationship and trust with that person. Look at the president of US, he was honest and let everyone know his intetnions, how did that go? Slander more slander and even more slander <- "You mention being open minded, well, maybe you should try that and understand where the other side is coming from," <- this is really hard when the part that isnt me doesnt want to talk to me and doesnt want to explain nor answer questions... I cant do all job and I shouldnt have to to do all the job. Maybe you and others should try to be more openminded and understand my side, you know.. empathy about how I have been lied to by riot games, how riot games did slander me and have banned more then 5000hours of ingame time... Together with skins worth xxx dollars <- But this is not what its about, I have to clairfy this or else someone will come in here and this that this is what its about... again its not. "especialy as something as asking for their age to a complete stranger." <- But that goes 2 ways, maybe you missed that? To think that "He is asking my age because he wants to harass me" is rather negative thinking and not very productive nor humanitarian. "I dont think i said you were offensive, im pretty sure i said asking for peoples age without context can be offensive." But riot games did, no its only offensive if you think its offensive, just like if you greet me with "hello" I can take offense to that too, doesnt mean its offensive nor offensive in its nature.
Jikker (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=MuteAllFromStart,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=F8bHJqIU,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-08T19:53:41.675+0000) > > No but you said you didnt see any evidence, so I provided you with evidence... THats what a good person does, right? Unfortunately, that evidence does not assist me as it does not provide me a Summoner's Name that the banned account would be under. > Again: I have brought to your attention several times throughout years that you are treating evernyyone differently. > > I also would like you to know this is not my first rodeo, you are not the first moderator to mistreat me (and refusing to answer my question) > I knwo you are volunteers, hence why I dont understand why you cant talk to me like you talk to any of your friends or co-workers. Why do you have to mistreat men when you communicate with tme? If you feel you are being mistreated, you have done the right thing in submitting a ticket to Riot regarding my actions. You may also direct questions to heralds as they oversee moderators.
> [{quoted}](name=Jikker,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=F8bHJqIU,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-08T19:57:51.825+0000) > > Unfortunately, that evidence does not assist me as it does not provide me a Summoner's Name that the banned account would be under. > > If you feel you are being mistreated, you have done the right thing in submitting a ticket to Riot regarding my actions. You may also direct questions to heralds as they oversee moderators. Its funny how there now are 5 , again 5!!! people , thats half of the peopel I interacted with today.... Who are now following me around downvoting everything I say <- This is the enviortment you have created, are you proud of it and how does it affect my experience here do you think? ' And no that didnt start today nor now. Its something that has been going on for a while.
Ulanopo (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=MuteAllFromStart,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=eOwyAj3n,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-10-08T18:27:42.510+0000) > > I dont know what actions you are talking about... I made a thread here: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/VFqfwj3b-riot-vs-understanding?show=flat&page=2 where one of your co-workers stated that when I ask for someones age its because I want to harass them <- But like I explain here in this thread, that is not the case at all and I ask you and other peopel related to riot how you can think that way in general and about your fellow summoners? <- I've read your chat logs from that thread and, if the Tribunal were still in place, I would have voted to punish. If I had been in that match with you, I would have reported you. I say these things because you spent entirely too much time picking at people and trying to tell them what to do. In your future matches, if you can't speak to others in positive, constructive and respectful way, then you should just refrain from using chat. You should also never ask people their age during a match; you're either being super-creepy or it's an obvious lead in to an ad hominem.
> [{quoted}](name=Ulanopo,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=eOwyAj3n,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-08T20:12:05.413+0000) > > I've read your chat logs from that thread and, if the Tribunal were still in place, I would have voted to punish. If I had been in that match with you, I would have reported you. I say these things because you spent entirely too much time picking at people and trying to tell them what to do. > > In your future matches, if you can't speak to others in positive, constructive and respectful way, then you should just refrain from using chat. You should also never ask people their age during a match; you're either being super-creepy or it's an obvious lead in to an ad hominem. If these were my forums I would have warned you for being offtpic. I would have gotten rid of everyone who is not contributing to these forums. I would have got rid of everyone who are lying and with bad intentions <- Why am I telling you this?
Ulanopo (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=MuteAllFromStart,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=eOwyAj3n,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-10-08T18:27:42.510+0000) > > I dont know what actions you are talking about... I made a thread here: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/VFqfwj3b-riot-vs-understanding?show=flat&page=2 where one of your co-workers stated that when I ask for someones age its because I want to harass them <- But like I explain here in this thread, that is not the case at all and I ask you and other peopel related to riot how you can think that way in general and about your fellow summoners? <- I've read your chat logs from that thread and, if the Tribunal were still in place, I would have voted to punish. If I had been in that match with you, I would have reported you. I say these things because you spent entirely too much time picking at people and trying to tell them what to do. In your future matches, if you can't speak to others in positive, constructive and respectful way, then you should just refrain from using chat. You should also never ask people their age during a match; you're either being super-creepy or it's an obvious lead in to an ad hominem.
> [{quoted}](name=Ulanopo,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=eOwyAj3n,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-08T20:12:05.413+0000) > > I've read your chat logs from that thread and, if the Tribunal were still in place, I would have voted to punish. And why are you telling me this? Is it on this topic: Rioters missunderstanding ? >If I had been in that match with you, I would have reported you. I say these things because you spent entirely too much time picking at people and >trying to tell them what to do. > And why are you telling me this? Is it on this topic: Rioters missunderstanding ? > In your future matches, if you can't speak to others in positive, constructive and respectful way, then you should just refrain from using chat. You should also never ask people their age during a match; you're either being super-creepy or it's an obvious lead in to an ad hominem. And why are you telling me this? Is it on this topic: Rioters missunderstanding ?
Jikker (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=MuteAllFromStart,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=F8bHJqIU,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-08T19:53:41.675+0000) > > No but you said you didnt see any evidence, so I provided you with evidence... THats what a good person does, right? Unfortunately, that evidence does not assist me as it does not provide me a Summoner's Name that the banned account would be under. > Again: I have brought to your attention several times throughout years that you are treating evernyyone differently. > > I also would like you to know this is not my first rodeo, you are not the first moderator to mistreat me (and refusing to answer my question) > I knwo you are volunteers, hence why I dont understand why you cant talk to me like you talk to any of your friends or co-workers. Why do you have to mistreat men when you communicate with tme? If you feel you are being mistreated, you have done the right thing in submitting a ticket to Riot regarding my actions. You may also direct questions to heralds as they oversee moderators.
> [{quoted}](name=Jikker,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=F8bHJqIU,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-08T19:57:51.825+0000) > > Unfortunately, that evidence does not assist me as it does not provide me a Summoner's Name that the banned account would be under. > > If you feel you are being mistreated, you have done the right thing in submitting a ticket to Riot regarding my actions. You may also direct questions to heralds as they oversee moderators. You had one moderator speaking for everyone, letting me know that all of you feel violated by me <- WHen I ask another modeator in private about this... its as if I had exposed his best friend and he refused to cooperate... Letting me know he was entitled to his own opinion... okey, evne when he is speaking for you? <- Do you feel violated talking to me?
Jikker (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=MuteAllFromStart,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=F8bHJqIU,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-08T19:53:41.675+0000) > > No but you said you didnt see any evidence, so I provided you with evidence... THats what a good person does, right? Unfortunately, that evidence does not assist me as it does not provide me a Summoner's Name that the banned account would be under. > Again: I have brought to your attention several times throughout years that you are treating evernyyone differently. > > I also would like you to know this is not my first rodeo, you are not the first moderator to mistreat me (and refusing to answer my question) > I knwo you are volunteers, hence why I dont understand why you cant talk to me like you talk to any of your friends or co-workers. Why do you have to mistreat men when you communicate with tme? If you feel you are being mistreated, you have done the right thing in submitting a ticket to Riot regarding my actions. You may also direct questions to heralds as they oversee moderators.
> [{quoted}](name=Jikker,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=F8bHJqIU,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-08T19:57:51.825+0000) > > Unfortunately, that evidence does not assist me as it does not provide me a Summoner's Name that the banned account would be under. > Im well aware of that, but you said you didnt see evidence, I helped you to see... so that thing is over... you now see evidence that im banend, correct? > If you feel you are being mistreated, you have done the right thing in submitting a ticket to Riot regarding my actions. You may also direct questions to heralds as they oversee moderators. Yes, and you are still not providing answers for me, so why should cooperate with you when you dont cooperate with me? <- This is why you mistreat me. YOu expect answers from me but refuse to answer my questions... guess we are not equally valuable.
Jikker (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=MuteAllFromStart,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=F8bHJqIU,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-10-08T19:39:26.301+0000) > > You dont see any evidence? okey allow me to provide evidence for you, it will be in swedish and I will translate it for you. I suggest you check that my translation is okey. https://i.postimg.cc/LXwsNLj2/ogiltig.png > The image text says: "oops! looks like you have been banned and can no longer access or interact with this server" blue text "Why are my invitations invalid?" I'm not saying you are not banned; I'm just asking if it's under a different Summoner's name. I cannot find a Summoner with your username banned on the Discord. > Yes, I did accuse them of lying is that really against the rules? > > So if I undertand this correctly, I can lie about anyone, even you... and if you tell me Im lying, I can report your comments and you are forced to remove them? <- You dont think/see how this is a problem? > > Yes, it takes maturity to admit when you are wrong. It also takes understanding. <- why would you think otherwise? > > What other "inflammatory type" comments are you talking about? > > "this doesn't mean that if someone disagrees with you that you are given permission to inflame others that are attempting to provide insight into your violation." <- Never made this claim and I have never given myself permisison to "inflame" the sitaution. And please explain how Im doing that? > > Also once again: I chose to report you due to your actions here. While we understand that not everyone will agree with how we moderate the boards, ultimately we expect everyone to treat others with respect. I'd also like to remind you that we are a volunteer team and are not employees of Riot or Rioters.
> [{quoted}](name=Jikker,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=F8bHJqIU,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-10-08T19:47:34.906+0000) > > I'm not saying you are not banned; I'm just asking if it's under a different Summoner's name. I cannot find a Summoner with your username banned on the Discord. No but you said you didnt see any evidence, so I provided you with evidence... THats what a good person does, right? > > While we understand that not everyone will agree with how we moderate the boards, ultimately we expect everyone to treat others with respect. > > I'd also like to remind you that we are a volunteer team and are not employees of Riot or Rioters. Again: I have brought to your attention several times throughout years that you are treating evernyyone differently. I also would like you to know this is not my first rodeo, you are not the first moderator to mistreat me (and refusing to answer my question) I knwo you are volunteers, hence why I dont understand why you cant talk to me like you talk to any of your friends or co-workers. Why do you have to mistreat men when you communicate with tme?
: > [{quoted}](name=MuteAllFromStart,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=zea097P5,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-08T19:29:03.931+0000) > > No because that is not my definition of dead. > > "so many people "there have been like 10 different people, its not that many. I post same stuff on twitter and I get 10 times the action <- You commented in a low traffic area of the boards and still had 10 different people talking with you. Sounds like you have some pretty harsh standards for "dead" if to qualify is to be less popular than twitter. If you feel like the boards are dead, why are you still here? > 50 threads in the past hour? And I made 5 of those... so about 45 threads per 5 hours. thats 9 threads each hour... its not that many, There were more actions in my old counter-strike fourm section , and we only had 12 servers with ~240 players all the time. \>50 The first page shows 50 and it was 3 hours old at the oldest. If you want you're free to go back to the counter-strike forums, there is nothing keeping you here other than you. > And about these 45 threads, what are they about and are they all created by unique people or by the same person? You're free to look. > Its funny... cause when I pointed out inaccuracy it was removed <- And what is the problem with what claim? You claimed, "I come back to these boards about once a year to see if there is any development.". As pointed out, you comment far more frequently than once a year so your claim can't be anything other than a lie in an attempt to support your opinion that the boards are dead.
> [{quoted}](name=AeroWaffle,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=zea097P5,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-08T19:37:35.227+0000) > > You commented in a low traffic area of the boards and still had 10 different people talking with you. And what would be a high traffic area and how many people will talk to me then? And will they have the same tone as you? > > Sounds like you have some pretty harsh standards for "dead" if to qualify is to be less popular than twitter. If you feel like the boards are dead, why are you still here? > Yes it does because you have yet not asked what those standards are... SO as of now you are only guessing my standards and the level of harsh they are. I believe I have been honest about tihs all along. I like to see progress, but here it has been the same way for years, it actually gotten worse. > \>50 > > The first page shows 50 and it was 3 hours old at the oldest. If you want you're free to go back to the counter-strike forums, there is nothing keeping you here other than you. > Okey , you are missing the point because you misread here? THose country-strike forums are dead, really dead now... because the company supporting them no longere exists. I used them as an example trying to point out that these forums are dead, as this game. > You're free to look. > > You claimed, "I come back to these boards about once a year to see if there is any development.". As pointed out, you comment far more frequently than once a year so your claim can't be anything other than a lie in an attempt to support your opinion that the boards are dead. Okey, if you take what I said, the thing you quoted.. what was the word I used before "Once" <- You have misread my brother. You can accuse me of lying, but I just proved that you misread and that I didnt lie, I dont lie <- I dont need to lie.
Jikker (NA)
: Hello, Your thread was locked as I explained. I gave the Discord as an option because anyone involved in that thread can comment on a lock so it is an option for most people. I do not see any evidence that you are banned from Discord; if this was on a different account, please provide me a name and I will look into it. Your comments were uncivil towards others, accusing them of lying, asking if they were mature enough to admit they were wrong, and other inflammatory type comments. From the Universal Rules: > When you choose to participate in a discussion with the rest of the playerbase, always try to be respectful and receptive to another player's point of view. Also, be mindful of how you present your point of view. If a player feels strongly on a subject, don't get caught up trying to have the last word. Just state your side and exit the conversation gracefully rather than give them the opportunity to pick a fight. While this does require that other posters be respectful to you (which is why some of their comments were removed as well), this doesn't mean that if someone disagrees with you that you are given permission to inflame others that are attempting to provide insight into your violation.
> [{quoted}](name=Jikker,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=F8bHJqIU,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-10-08T19:30:16.089+0000) > > Hello, > > Your thread was locked as I explained. I gave the Discord as an option because anyone involved in that thread can comment on a lock so it is an option for most people. I do not see any evidence that you are banned from Discord; if this was on a different account, please provide me a name and I will look into it. You dont see any evidence? okey allow me to provide evidence for you, it will be in swedish and I will translate it for you. I suggest you check that my translation is okey. https://i.postimg.cc/LXwsNLj2/ogiltig.png The image text says: "oops! looks like you have been banned and can no longer access or interact with this server" blue text "Why are my invitations invalid?" Yes, I did accuse them of lying is that really against the rules? So if I undertand this correctly, I can lie about anyone, even you... and if you tell me Im lying, I can report your comments and you are forced to remove them? <- You dont think/see how this is a problem? Yes, it takes maturity to admit when you are wrong. It also takes understanding. <- why would you think otherwise? What other "inflammatory type" comments are you talking about? "this doesn't mean that if someone disagrees with you that you are given permission to inflame others that are attempting to provide insight into your violation." <- Never made this claim and I have never given myself permisison to "inflame" the sitaution. And please explain how Im doing that? Also once again: I chose to report you due to your actions here.
: > [{quoted}](name=MuteAllFromStart,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=zea097P5,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-08T19:08:05.120+0000) > > Okey, so you are on topic? How are you on topic? > This thread is about these forums being dead... you talking about my posts. <- Explain how that is on topic, thank you for your cooperation trying to help me understand. Visiting the forums and actively participating in it with other people seems to be all that's needed to disprove your assumption that the forums are dead. If it were dead you wouldn't be talking with so many people nor would you be here. If you click the "Boards Home" and sort under "New" you can see that there are threads created quite frequently (>50 threads in the past 5 hours). If you sort under "Recent" you can see that people reply and discuss in threads pretty frequently as well. And again, if you didn't want people to point out an inaccuracy of the claim **then don't make the claim**.
> [{quoted}](name=AeroWaffle,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=zea097P5,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-08T19:13:38.208+0000) > > Visiting the forums and actively participating in it with other people seems to be all that's needed to disprove your assumption that the forums are dead. > > If it were dead you wouldn't be talking with so many people nor would you be here. If you click the "Boards Home" and sort under "New" you can see that there are threads created quite frequently (>50 threads in the past 5 hours). If you sort under "Recent" you can see that people reply and discuss in threads pretty frequently as well. > > And again, if you didn't want people to point out an inaccuracy of the claim **then don't make the claim**. Btw, who are your 2 friends upvoting your posts? or is it rather the 2 people who hates and follows me around supporting anyone that isnt me? :P
: > [{quoted}](name=MuteAllFromStart,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=zea097P5,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-08T19:08:05.120+0000) > > Okey, so you are on topic? How are you on topic? > This thread is about these forums being dead... you talking about my posts. <- Explain how that is on topic, thank you for your cooperation trying to help me understand. Visiting the forums and actively participating in it with other people seems to be all that's needed to disprove your assumption that the forums are dead. If it were dead you wouldn't be talking with so many people nor would you be here. If you click the "Boards Home" and sort under "New" you can see that there are threads created quite frequently (>50 threads in the past 5 hours). If you sort under "Recent" you can see that people reply and discuss in threads pretty frequently as well. And again, if you didn't want people to point out an inaccuracy of the claim **then don't make the claim**.
> [{quoted}](name=AeroWaffle,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=zea097P5,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-08T19:13:38.208+0000) > > Visiting the forums and actively participating in it with other people seems to be all that's needed to disprove your assumption that the forums are dead. > > If it were dead you wouldn't be talking with so many people nor would you be here. If you click the "Boards Home" and sort under "New" you can see that there are threads created quite frequently (>50 threads in the past 5 hours). If you sort under "Recent" you can see that people reply and discuss in threads pretty frequently as well. > > And again, if you didn't want people to point out an inaccuracy of the claim **then don't make the claim**. No because that is not my definition of dead. "so many people "there have been like 10 different people, its not that many. I post same stuff on twitter and I get 10 times the action <- 50 threads in the past hour? And I made 5 of those... so about 45 threads per 5 hours. thats 9 threads each hour... its not that many, There were more actions in my old counter-strike fourm section , and we only had 12 servers with ~240 players all the time. And about these 45 threads, what are they about and are they all created by unique people or by the same person? Its funny... cause when I pointed out inaccuracy it was removed <- And what is the problem with what claim?
Doynk (NA)
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> [{quoted}](name=Doynk,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=eOwyAj3n,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-10-08T19:14:30.607+0000) > > _**--Removed by Moderation--**_ What have I been told and what do you want me to shove off? Its strange so many people see the problem ,but noone is able to explain it <-
: Contetnt removed , why?
I have chosen to report Jikka to Support ticket. I was hoping we could talk but since you refuse to talk to me I was left no choice . I hope they actually take care of this so that LOL finally can become a great game again. WIth a toxic company and toxic workers for that company, ofc the products and customers also will be toxic <- Toxicity spreads, thats why you need to countain it.
: Contetnt removed , why?
Wait, you removed my content where Im being accused and defneding myself? letting the accuser know he is dead wrong because he/she misread <- What is going on here Jikker? Come talk to me? I wont bite <-
: Contetnt removed , why?
"Hello all, This thread has devolved to bickering and uncivil discussion. Since there is nothing productive coming from this thread at this time, I am going to lock it down. I will also be cleaning up some uncivil comments from this thread. Remember that the Player Behavior Guidelines ultimately require that posters are honest about seeking feedback and respectful of others when providing help. If anyone would like to discus this lock, feel free to reach out to the Moderation Team via: The NA Boards Discord The Discuss the Boards sub-board" <- Im banned here. I can not talk to you unless you talk to me here or willing to talk to me directly on discord or anywhere else.
: > [{quoted}](name=MuteAllFromStart,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=zea097P5,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-10-08T19:01:47.582+0000) > > are you on topic? and no Im not trying to harass you by asking that question. Given I directly commented on a claim that you included in your post I feel like I'm still within the topic bounds. If you didn't want people to point out the inaccuracy of the claim then don't make the claim.
> [{quoted}](name=AeroWaffle,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=zea097P5,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-08T19:04:02.451+0000) > > Given I directly commented on a claim that you included in your post I feel like I'm still within the topic bounds. If you didn't want people to point out the inaccuracy of the claim then don't make the claim. Okey, so you are on topic? How are you on topic? This thread is about these forums being dead... you talking about my posts. <- Explain how that is on topic, thank you for your cooperation trying to help me understand.
Rioter Comments
: You have a lot of posts in the past few months for someone who only comes by once a year.
> [{quoted}](name=AeroWaffle,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=zea097P5,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-08T18:59:43.844+0000) > > You have a lot of posts in the past few months for someone who only comes by once a year. are you on topic? and no Im not trying to harass you by asking that question.
: Asking for someones age can be personal. Asking for someones age also needs context for it to be appropriate, for example when applying for certain job. So keep in mind that it can be offensive when asking for someones age and jts just best to avoid it unless its someone your close with and sometimes that has its own time and place for asking.
> [{quoted}](name=ExcaliburX,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=eOwyAj3n,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-10-08T18:53:27.807+0000) > > Asking for someones age can be personal. Asking for someones age also needs context for it to be appropriate, for example when applying for certain job. So keep in mind that it can be offensive when asking for someones age and jts just best to avoid it unless its someone your close with and sometimes that has its own time and place for asking. Hello and welcome to the thread! I have heard that argument before, that it is personal. I have heard that if they tell me their age they are afraid I will hack them. To make it easy: there are 8 billion people in the world. Meaning that if you are 15 years ago, there are about 150.000.000 - 200.000.000 other people in the world of the same age... its not that personal. <- No it doesnt need context to be approrpiate, its important that we dont label anyone we just meet as evil <- We should be openminded and if someone asks me a quesiton my first thought shouldnt be that "He asks me this cause he wants to harass me" <- My first thought should be "He asks me this because he needs this information for something" <- And then I can ask him what he needs the inforamtion for... to label him before asking him is rather destructive beahvior. No Im not offensive just because I ask a questions <- Why would you think I am? I find it strange.. when I was brought up in the country of Sweden we actually had tv-shows on government media that said "THere are not stupid quesitons" <- encouraging an entire country to ask quesitons so that we can understand... We are an understanding people (generally) ... so how can we differ so much and how can you think questions have evil intentions?
: Riot vs understanding
Btw, noone have even tried to answer the only question that is in OP <- That's the level of this board? <- Good to know.
Ulanopo (NA)
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> [{quoted}](name=Ulanopo,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=eOwyAj3n,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-08T18:24:07.598+0000) > > I'm not seeing an action of this type on the account you're posting from. Are you discussing an action on another account or perhaps in another region? Also, why did you pinn your comment?
Ulanopo (NA)
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> [{quoted}](name=Ulanopo,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=eOwyAj3n,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-08T18:24:07.598+0000) > > I'm not seeing an action of this type on the account you're posting from. Are you discussing an action on another account or perhaps in another region? I dont know what actions you are talking about... I made a thread here: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/VFqfwj3b-riot-vs-understanding?show=flat&page=2 where one of your co-workers stated that when I ask for someones age its because I want to harass them <- But like I explain here in this thread, that is not the case at all and I ask you and other peopel related to riot how you can think that way in general and about your fellow summoners? <-
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> [{quoted}](name=GatekeeperTDS,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=VFqfwj3b,comment-id=000000000000000000010000000000020001,timestamp=2019-10-08T18:19:21.932+0000) > > You hit the nail on the head. Here's his newest thread. > > https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/eOwyAj3n-rioters-missunderstanding can you explain the purpose behind voting down everything? <-
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> [{quoted}](name=GatekeeperTDS,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=VFqfwj3b,comment-id=000000000000000000010000000000020001,timestamp=2019-10-08T18:19:21.932+0000) > > You hit the nail on the head. Here's his newest thread. > > https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/eOwyAj3n-rioters-missunderstanding Also thanks for spreading the word!
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> [{quoted}](name=GatekeeperTDS,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=VFqfwj3b,comment-id=000000000000000000010000000000020001,timestamp=2019-10-08T18:19:21.932+0000) > > You hit the nail on the head. Here's his newest thread. > > https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/eOwyAj3n-rioters-missunderstanding Can you explain how you are on topic? And ofc I make a new thread.. .new information has reached the surfice and its a good topic. What do you want to talk about? Cause it looks liek you only want to try to harass me.
: > [{quoted}](name=MuteAllFromStart,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=VFqfwj3b,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-08T16:29:14.799+0000) > > I can absolutly do that but it wont help because you dont work as a riot-support and therefor cant help me, you can only guess the problem. Player feedback is how the Instant Feedback System was built, as well as how the system adjusts. Another player also had to have reported you in your game. Therefore, other players are adequately equipped to help point out what's problematic (or not) in your logs.
> [{quoted}](name=Periscope,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=VFqfwj3b,comment-id=00000000000000000002,timestamp=2019-10-08T18:10:06.201+0000) > > Player feedback is how the Instant Feedback System was built, as well as how the system adjusts. Another player also had to have reported you in your game. Therefore, other players are adequately equipped to help point out what's problematic (or not) in your logs. Okey this is really strange. RIOTers told me that I dont need to reportcall because if my report is valid its enough to punish someone. Now you tell me taht at least 2 reports are needed? Also: Do you also think that if I ask for your age, its because i want to harass and flame you? <- Is it just here or is this in real life as well, like a nightclub?
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rujitra (NA)
: PROVE IT Post your support tickets screenshots.
> [{quoted}](name=rujitra,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=VFqfwj3b,comment-id=0000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-08T17:30:50.437+0000) > > PROVE IT > > Post your support tickets screenshots. I dont even understand what you want from me here? you want a picture with a support ID number or what are you actually asking of me? Also, try to answer the questions I asked before demanding things from me , thank you.
: > Lovepet: I did ping you, you knew what was going to happen. Lovepet: that is not what I said morgana Lovepet: you know what zoning is? Lovepet: so why not ping me back then? Lovepet: if you aint going to help Lovepet: you basically kill me Lovepet: I was defending a ward, but ok Detrimental arguing, and beginning to harass Morgana. Claiming that what they're doing isn't helping and that they're essentially killing you. > Lovepet: so how can you def tower? Lovepet: yes Lovepet: how? Lovepet: not really, any other champs have different skills Lovepet: such as viktor have his E for clearance Lovepet: because they attacked me Lovepet: because you didnt zone them off Lovepet: its very elementary The arguing continues. If you can't point out an issue and suggest a resolution concisely, it may not be worth your breath to try and argue it - especially if you're going to be condescending. > Lovepet: I cant carry you, sry Lovepet: ekko, you cant tell kids what to do Lovepet: just look at what morgana told me when I did try Lovepet: see? Lovepet: morgana, Im not blaming... please read waht I type _Especially if you're going to be condescending_ and _insulting_. Calling people "kids" and continuing to argue and harass Morgana (yes; what you're doing here is harassment. You're pointing out that Morgana didn't do as you asked and chastising them.) is not welcome behavior. > Lovepet: its over Lovepet: yeap Lovepet: not really Lovepet: not really Lovepet: riven its not blame Lovepet: its quesitons Lovepet: please learn the difference Defeatism (claiming that the match is over) and even more arguing. > Lovepet: blame looks like this :Its your fault we lost <-- that is blame Lovepet: this is a question: How old are you? <-- notice the questionmark Even questions can be negative behavior. Asking people's age can easily be a method of harassment, as your question basically assumes "You are probably young (and I want to confirm it) so that I can call you out on your age-related lack of experience." And, of course, continuing the argument. > Lovepet: you cant tell her what to do More harassing Morgana, doubtless. > Lovepet: tell enemy team to stop killing me? Lovepet: hey fizz, "stop die" .. lol Lovepet: ekko lol! please try to understand and if you cant let me know and I explain it to you Lovepet: ofc I am Lovepet: yeah tell that to ekko Lovepet: he flames me cause I die. but what can I do? Lovepet: what does that mean? Lovepet: it also makes no sense? Lovepet: ekko no, skypename? Lovepet: I explain it to you Lovepet: or you explain it to me Lovepet: you told me not to die Lovepet: Im doing that Lovepet: now he flames me for not dying, there is no winning here Lovepet: sry I dont listen to you Lovepet: you flamer And even more arguing, this time with a flamer. If someone flames you, _you should mute them, report them, and move on. **Do not engage them.** Do not address them, mention them, or give them the time of day._ The more you bicker and argue with a flamer, the more you fuel their flaming. > Lovepet: Im odler then you Negativity in the form of boasting age. Nobody cares if you're older than them; age doesn't mean hardly anything in terms of maturity or experience. > Lovepet: I have a flamer in my team Lovepet: and I have people who doesnt understand zoning Lovepet: What have I said that you think is "flame" ? Lovepet: Im saying that you are flaming, and that is not flaming Lovepet: its allowed to feed, called gameplay Lovepet: you see that? IM not allowed to die for ekko, then he threatens to report me for flame and feeding, wtf? Lovepet: sry no' Lovepet: well he dint flame at start Lovepet: he started to flame morgana, and then me And your chat logs finish with harassment, of both Ekko (for flaming) and Morgana (for not doing what you wanted them to do). And judging by the fact that you reference the flamer being "in (your) team", I can only guess that this last part was in /all chat, which makes the situation that much worse. You were punished for negativity (defeatism, detrimental arguing, etc.) and harassment (chewing out/chastising Morgana and singling out Ekko); my advice, next time someone starts flaming, _**mute them and do not say a word to, of, or about them**_, and if someone isn't playing to your standards, you're not going to get anywhere by arguing and insulting them. And if this behavior is a regular occurrence, then yes, it is toxic.
> [{quoted}](name=Umbral Regent,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=VFqfwj3b,comment-id=000000000000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-08T17:24:27.234+0000) > > > Negativity in the form of boasting age. Nobody cares if you're older than them; age doesn't mean hardly anything in terms of maturity or experience. But that never happen. A person called me a kid and I told him that I was older then him <- That is not boasting about age. How can you think that? If noone cares that Im older, then why are they calling me a kid? <- stop calling me a kid and I dont have to explain to you that Im actually older then you and its rather moronic of you to call me a kid. <- And I have to clairfy here. I did not call you a moron. Moron is something you are , moronic is something you do. Jackass crew are not moronic but their behavior on films are moronic <- I hope you understand this cause others rioter doesnt and I have been banend for calling something "Moronic" when they thought I called someone a moron <- You missunderstand about as much as the average rioter TBH
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