: You always put a lot of effort into your threads and I appreciate that :)
> [{quoted}](name=The Iceborn,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=yxtydoAE,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-08-16T14:39:22.099+0000) > > You always put a lot of effort into your threads and I appreciate that :) Thanks, I just want to know where comes all of these resources? any reference?{{sticker:sg-lux-2}}
: Ionian Lingua Franca (Common Tongue)
{{sticker:cass-cry}} Nobody?
: Ionian Lingua Franca (Common Tongue)
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Arakadia (NA)
: How do we know this?
> [{quoted}](name=Arakadia,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=PRERwLkn,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-15T08:53:57.379+0000) > > How do we know this? guessed
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: Ionian Language´s scripts/characters
https://i.redd.it/tl1qyi3fob631.png Translation: Enforced Equilibrium !- Shen Transliteration: Lak gu khin koou ! !
: > [{quoted}](name=My Fizz no ult,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=hKet3H4L,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-23T03:19:45.855+0000) > > I am working on it now. Creating Ionian is not just about putting what I want and I think, I should make it logical so I have to study many Asian languages and grammatical knowleadge to make it a REAL language. Oh, and some Vastayan languages, they should have influenced Ionian a lot as well, like in the human history. > > BTW, what is your favorite Ionian champion and his/her line? I could make one picture like above for you. I have no doubt that it takes a lot of time and effort researching to make it as accurate as possible. That would be awesome! :D Shen is by far my favorite champion if my name didn't give that away ;) As for a favorite quote, probably "Enforced equilibrium." Something about that line has always struck me as poetic.
> [{quoted}](name=Eye of Twilight,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=hKet3H4L,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-24T00:55:01.194+0000) > > I have no doubt that it takes a lot of time and effort researching to make it as accurate as possible. > > That would be awesome! :D > Shen is by far my favorite champion if my name didn't give that away ;) As for a favorite quote, probably "Enforced equilibrium." Something about that line has always struck me as poetic. https://i.redd.it/tl1qyi3fob631.png Translation: Enforced Equilibrium !- Shen Transliteration: Lak gu khin koou !
: Ionian Language´s scripts/characters
https://flic.kr/p/2gj31nz Translation: One Blade, One Purpose Transliteration: Ek khen, Ek sen the One "Ek" is adapted from Sanskrit 's pronunciation for the number one. khen, the blade, is adopted directly from its correspondent Japanese pronunciation. Sen, means thought and Idea, from certain Chinese dialect's ancient pronunciation. So, now, this sentence can be read in Rhyme {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
: Ionian Language´s scripts/characters
https://flic.kr/p/2gj33C6 Meaning: Discover again and again the meaning of the magic. Transliteration: Sa elei sa te ra vi sa e ra Since years ago Riot gave this pronounciation, I can create this sentence only based on it. But the problem is, what Karma speaks is actually: Sa ae ler sa, ti li vi, sa e ra. Interestingly, they said this was an Ionian Ancient dialect, then everything makes sense now.{{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}} I guess: What Karma speaks in the game, is her real voice and reflects her own ancient dialect's pronunciation, while what riot gave is the standard latin alphabet transliteration which reflects the common tongue of Ionian languages and is exactly the sounds the Ionian characters reflect. Besides, Karma in the Ionian languages is spelled by two characters, the "Khar" and the "Ma” which respectively mean: Khar - "transmigration, perpetuity, inner evolution, and wisdom" Ma - a suffix, like the "er" of "writer" "employer" "interviewer". Why does Khar have so many meanings? So, we all know the champion Karma is not a normal leader in Ionia's lore. If you look at her name clearly, you would see a svastika symbol on the right, with a little bit modified. This svastika symbol, which in this case has the right-ward direction, represents inner evolution in Hinduism and wisdom in Buddhism. That perfectly reveals Karma's title: The Enlightened One" and her unique reincarnation lore where the souls in each generation increase bringing more spirits and thoughts, like an inner evolution and self-ascension. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}} I hope you guys can offer me more information to create those characters. !!!
: Ionian Language´s scripts/characters
https://flic.kr/p/2gj2HcZ Translation: In carnage, I bloom, like a flower in the dawn. Transliteration: Ghiak sas ni na, u mek kar, ya il mek ni huaa. Little tip: We all know that Jhin has fever of the number 4, we can see it throughout his English name: Jhin. Jin, in mandarin means the Gold, the Golden Demon, who is him exactly. However, there is only 3 letters in Jin , so Riot adds a silent H in it. I want his Ionian name to reflect this feature too. So, the transliteration is "jdin", in which the D means it is a Voiced sound, as it shows in the picture, in the upper right corner there is a little spot that serves for indicating this consonant should be pronounced in a Voiced sound, same style in Japanese Hiragana and Katakana. In Ionian alphabet this Voiced Sound Spot is considered as an Independent unit, so there is actually 4 elements in this Phonetic Part. While in the Meaning Affix, there is a symbol of the Stone, (this character means Gold in Ionian) to illustrate its meaning is associated with stone. This pictograph has in total 4 strokes!! So, another 4 here. (The horizontal and vertical lines together in the right are not two separated strokes, but together ){{sticker:sg-ahri-2}}
: > [{quoted}](name=My Fizz no ult,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=hKet3H4L,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-06-22T02:25:45.912+0000) > > yeah certainly, but I just finished the alphabet, not the whole language´s design That's alright, the players won't know that {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}} Though I am looking forward to how you continue to grow and evolve the language! Ionia is by far my favorite continent/faction, I love watching it come alive through art and writing. And language is such a fluid thing and so defining of a culture that there's no better way to breathe life into a fictional world than to create their language. IMO at least :)
> [{quoted}](name=Eye of Twilight,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=hKet3H4L,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-06-22T22:32:50.097+0000) > > That's alright, the players won't know that {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}} > > Though I am looking forward to how you continue to grow and evolve the language! Ionia is by far my favorite continent/faction, I love watching it come alive through art and writing. And language is such a fluid thing and so defining of a culture that there's no better way to breathe life into a fictional world than to create their language. IMO at least :) I am working on it now. Creating Ionian is not just about putting what I want and I think, I should make it logical so I have to study many Asian languages and grammatical knowleadge to make it a REAL language. Oh, and some Vastayan languages, they should have influenced Ionian a lot as well, like in the human history. BTW, what is your favorite Ionian champion and his/her line? I could make one picture like above for you.
: Not myself personally but I am friends with a lot of computer savvy people. They might know exactly how to do it.
> [{quoted}](name=Ecaterina,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=hKet3H4L,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-06-22T22:45:23.332+0000) > > Not myself personally but I am friends with a lot of computer savvy people. They might know exactly how to do it. you are so kind and genius !!
: Ionian Language´s scripts/characters
Translation: The merest shade of me is enough to defeat you! https://flic.kr/p/2gihHpB Transliteration: Ol di chyah me wa, sui üü jit nuo io!
: Please release a full alphabet with examples, I would love to learn to write in Ionian and use it in art. I am so willing to help or anything. You have made my obsessed with trying to reverse engineer your original post on the Ionian language and form the complete alphabet.
> [{quoted}](name=Ecaterina,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=hKet3H4L,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-06-21T17:01:54.189+0000) > > Please release a full alphabet with examples, I would love to learn to write in Ionian and use it in art. I am so willing to help or anything. You have made my obsessed with trying to reverse engineer your original post on the Ionian language and form the complete alphabet. you know how to make the constructed scripts to be typed on the computer? like put them in unicode?
: This is amazing! I'm running a ttrpg game based on Runeterra, could I use your Ionian script as props for my players?
> [{quoted}](name=Eye of Twilight,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=hKet3H4L,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-06-21T23:37:15.753+0000) > > This is amazing! I'm running a ttrpg game based on Runeterra, could I use your Ionian script as props for my players? yeah certainly, but I just finished the alphabet, not the whole language´s design
: Looks like a combination of Arabic (the accents and curving lines) and Japanese Kanji
> [{quoted}](name=mrmeddyman,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=hKet3H4L,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-21T05:40:47.264+0000) > > Looks like a combination of Arabic (the accents and curving lines) and Japanese Kanji You are right. But remember there are two fonts, the print form shows the clear strokes
: Looks kinda like music notes, honestly, which I find very fitting. Do continue to work on this, please. I'd love to be able to write stuff for Jhin in Ionian(even if its not canon).
> [{quoted}](name=4 Step Cadence,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=hKet3H4L,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-20T04:54:14.328+0000) > > Looks kinda like music notes, honestly, which I find very fitting. > > Do continue to work on this, please. I'd love to be able to write stuff for Jhin in Ionian(even if its not canon). Ionia is a typical place that combines the spiritual realm and the physical world. For expressing this, the phonetic part is written more fluid to stand for the spiritual realm, which is like a song.
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EdgeLady (NA)
: That continent proximity would make a lot of sense, especially if it houses the kingdom where Kalista, Hecarim, and the Ruined King come from.
> [{quoted}](name=EdgeLady,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=PRERwLkn,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-13T14:48:48.275+0000) > > That continent proximity would make a lot of sense, especially if it houses the kingdom where Kalista, Hecarim, and the Ruined King come from. Kalista's kingdom should be in valoran continent
zounet (EUW)
: how did you modify the map? it's very realistic!
> [{quoted}](name=zounet,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=PRERwLkn,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-13T06:36:38.868+0000) > > how did you modify the map? > it's very realistic! simple photoshop
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: > [{quoted}](name=Jaspers,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=GkbEJ6NA,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-11T10:54:37.524+0000) > > Mount Targon - Mount Olympus? Himalya's/Nepal The solari are similar to monastic orders there and its a big fucking mountain
> [{quoted}](name=mrmeddyman,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=GkbEJ6NA,comment-id=00000002,timestamp=2019-06-12T00:32:05.907+0000) > > Himalya's/Nepal > > The solari are similar to monastic orders there and its a big fucking mountain really? I never knew there was a monastic orders related to sun in Himalya
: How does Runeterra "copy" the Earth
Jaspers (EUW)
: Mount Targon - Mount Olympus?
> [{quoted}](name=Jaspers,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=GkbEJ6NA,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-11T10:54:37.524+0000) > > Mount Targon - Mount Olympus? maybe
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: What region in Runeterra would you choose to live?
Jaspers (EUW)
: What or who is Helia? According to lore everyone but Shurima created the sun disc. Talk about taking what once made you great and making you pointless.
> [{quoted}](name=Jaspers,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=qW1cBtvh,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-06-10T11:28:58.916+0000) > > What or who is Helia? > > According to lore everyone but Shurima created the sun disc. Talk about taking what once made you great and making you pointless. The Blessed Isles Civilization
: I never thought of it that way. Would that mean that Ixtali, Buhru, Helia, and Targon culture all originate from unknown lands to the east? That's interesting.
> [{quoted}](name=DerMangoJoghurt,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=qW1cBtvh,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-10T11:21:22.233+0000) > > I never thought of it that way. Would that mean that Ixtali, Buhru, Helia, and Targon cultures all originate from unknown lands to the east? > That's interesting. The question is, what is the original meaning of this English phrase, in grammatical terms. > In truth, Ixtali culture is much older—part of the great westward diaspora that gave rise to civilizations including the Buhru, magnificent Helia, and the ascetics of Targon WHO gave rise to civilizations??? The Great Westward Diaspora did? or Ixtali culture did?
: It didnt create Shurima. It joined Shurima and collaborated with them to create the Sun Disc and presumably other magical shit too. They had an aestetic impact on Targon Buhru and Helia but that's about it. It didn't create Shurima although they were part of it once
> [{quoted}](name=RyzeTheSmurfMage,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=qW1cBtvh,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-10T11:09:02.465+0000) > > It didnt create Shurima. It joined Shurima and collaborated with them to create the Sun Disc and presumably other magical shit too. > They had an aestetic impact on Targon Buhru and Helia but that's about it. It didn't create Shurima although they were part of it once So, the English version just tells that many civilizations, such as Ixtal, helia, Buhru, they rose from the westward diaspora, not the Ixtal produces them, right?
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TacoBrain (EUW)
: > then what are targonians? Exactly what the quote would imply. Targorians would simply be a term to refer to the Aspects/specific set of celestials. Not an entire race/species. You can then expand it to to mean anyone that serves the interests of the Aspects (they may have lesser celestials loyal to them). > And who were those people kneeling down and giving the crown to Sol? I would assume Runeterran natives following Targon's instructions.
> [{quoted}](name=TacoBrain,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=pGh0gkno,comment-id=00030000000000010000000000010000,timestamp=2019-03-08T06:05:36.461+0000) > > Exactly what the quote would imply. Targorians would simply be a term to refer to the Aspects/specific set of celestials. Not an entire race/species. You can then expand it to to mean anyone that serves the interests of the Aspects (they may have lesser celestials loyal to them). > > I would assume Runeterran natives following Targon's instructions. ME TOO But sol´s lore says they who kneeled down are Targonians, the most advanced race in early universe
TacoBrain (EUW)
: They're one and the same. ASol is enslaved by the Aspects. [Targon is just a term for the collective group of Aspects. ](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/cfEdVAJd-welcome-to-the-aurelion-sol-qa?comment=008c0000)
> [{quoted}](name=TacoBrain,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=pGh0gkno,comment-id=000300000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-02-28T15:37:08.298+0000) > > They're one and the same. ASol is enslaved by the Aspects. [Targon is just a term for the collective group of Aspects. ](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/cfEdVAJd-welcome-to-the-aurelion-sol-qa?comment=008c0000) If TARGON IS just a collective group of aspects, then what are targonians? And who were those people kneeling down and giving the crown to Sol?
TacoBrain (EUW)
: An attempt at answering this: > Targoninas are just, or at least were just a normal race in the early time of current universe, like Runeterran people, from certain planet? Or they are from another plane of existence or another dimension, whose existence form has always been spirit or some unknow cosmic energy? I am guessing the latter. [Scathlocke once implied they did not originate in Runeterra nor any other world](https://twitter.com/LaurieGoulding/status/1052818215758249984) but you can make the case that the celestial realm isn't a "world" proper (in the sense of a planet) so much as an entirely different plane of existence. > Aspects arise from Targonians (for example, some ascension form in the celestial world, same as Shuriman Ascension), or Aspects created Targonians? Or they are just two different type of creatures who work together? Let's use two different terms for Aspects: mortal Aspects are the hosts, celestial Aspects are the celestials that empower them. The real Targon, the ones who enslaved ASol, are the celestial Aspects (and maybe, any lesser celestial entities that serve them). The people of Mount Targon aren't "Targorian" in the same sense as the celestial entities. They are just people, whose culture is shaped by the Aspects, living at what is effectively their doorstep potentially following lessons the celestial Aspects shared in times immemorial. They stand in Mount Targon and fight wanderers (celestial entities that enter Runeterra via the portal atop Mount Targon) and are sometimes chosen/empowered by the celestial Aspects as their agents (in which case, celestial and human merge, something similar, but not wholly identical, to Ascension). > So, what is this "inhabitants of the celestial real"? And why they care so much about the runeterra people? > > Are they targonians? Are they aspects? or they are someone else? Unknown, maybe Targon is a specific group of celestials that did not give up on their little pet project. Maybe they have other motivations. This is just beyond what we presently know. > This means that the celestial beings is watching and guiding or even controlling the mundane people. Only for Runeterra? Or they just do this on all civilizations in this universe? Runeterra seems to be a nexus of all the realms, it is the door and crossroads of all of creation (and beyond, even the Void has found a way in via Runeterra). Whatever celestials shaped Runeterra using the world runes seemed to have wanted to create a plane of existence that could outshine all others, perhaps they realized too late they had invited the Void to their realm. Perhaps Targon are those celestials that stand watch for the Void. > AND WHY THEY DO THIS? They are natural celestial beings? or they are targonians who arose by hand of aurelion sol from another ordinary planet, and now just wanna control all the universe? We don't know, I assume they were curious and playing gods but, in their celestial purity, never quite understood free will. We've had info on Celestial Concepts, ideals manifest in the celestial realm, the very power behind mortal Aspects and Ascended. Perhaps they can only ever be what they are. Could War ever not be War and be something more or something else? Maybe they're slaves to their deterministic natures and never expected mortal life to not be constrained to a single idea like they are. > She mentions pantheon, leona and diana, and seems that she know them and know how the aspect ascension work. > If she is not an aspect,what is she? A targonian normal inhabitant??? Maybe but, again, we don't know. Maybe she was a celestial concept that abandoned her role to interact with the quirky physical reality. > Or just another race of celestial beings cause there are many races in the celestial realm like in Runeterra? I do believe Targon is not the only celestial faction ([Myisha wanted plausible deniability for trapping/killing celestials when she trapped the Darkin but the question is: who would hold her accountable?](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/8una0m/were_the_team_that_updated_aatrox_ask_us_anything/e1i6g8l/) I'm guessing non-Targorian Concepts/Aspects). > They what is the relationship between Soraka and other targonians and aspects? Not known yet. > So how many celestial races out there are in the universe? > They are all called targonians? Or just targonians conquered them all? so now it is a united empire? I reckon that no, Targon is not the entirety of celestials nor do they control the whole of the celestial realm. I will leave this bit from Zoe's bio: > Following this unusual transcendence, **Zoe journeyed to dimensions at the very edge of Targon's control,** playing within realities beyond human comprehension. So Targon is still expanding interdimensionally. > Why did targonians slave aurelion sol, if they are such a poweful race cause in Sol's lore it says targonians had already got the ability to colonize out of their home planet? > But why 3 years ago, a rioter said that what Sol's thinks and knows about Targonians is not 100% accurate because even he doesn't know what are targonians and where they are from? A few things: bios are subjective. The most obvious examples are Jayce and Viktor. Bios reflect what the champion thought to a point. Aurelion _thought_ they were a species that had expanded from their home world (in a way, he may be right). I believe he has since realized he was wrong and tricked. He likely saw what Targon wanted him to see at the time. As for the reason they need him? Targon cannot operate in the material plane usually. Their mortal Aspects, the time space twisting around the Mountain and Soraka sacrificing her power to even come to Runeterra are examples of this. But Aurelion? He is a physical creature or, at least, more physical than them. He is the perfect weapon. They cannot exert their power in the material plane but ASol can. > Then, what are these celestial beings? Are they targonians ? aspects? or targonians and aspects? > > If they are targonians with such power, then again, why they need to slave Sol? We don't know. They may be completely unrelated to Targon or Targon as an empire may have been born from these would-be creator's actions (maybe the celestial Aspects were part of that group). The Sol question should be answered just before. ______ **TL;DR: An attempt at synthesizing all this/my current thoughts:** - A group of celestials created Runeterra with some goal. Runeterra is the nexus of all known planes (physical, spiritual, celestial and the Void). Celestial Creators abandon the project. - Targon, a group of celestial concepts (embodiments of abstract concepts) that would later be known as Aspects, is formed, relation with the Creators unknown. - [Celestial concepts cannot operate in the physical plane](https://twitter.com/LaurieGoulding/status/1061366466220441601) without significant cost so they rely on merging with humans who resonate with their essence and manipulate an arrogant star dragon into servitude (making him think they are a mere "physical" race). Now, they have the means to operate in the physical plane and use Aurelion to challenge any physical entities that could threaten their control. They begin to expand into multiple dimensions. - Their foothold/gateway into Runeterra lies in a mountain known as Mount Targon. People gather there and build cultures around the Aspects, the Aspects likely manipulate them in small ways, ensuring they stand guard against celestial Wanderers that come from atop the mountain. The people of Mount Targon are not true Targorians and Targorians may not be an actual celestial race so much as simply the term for those few celestials that have active interest in Runeterra.
> [{quoted}](name=TacoBrain,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=nkJMxIt9,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-03-06T23:33:06.673+0000) > > An attempt at answering this: > > I am guessing the latter. [Scathlocke once implied they did not originate in Runeterra nor any other world](https://twitter.com/LaurieGoulding/status/1052818215758249984) but you can make the case that the celestial realm isn't a "world" proper (in the sense of a planet) so much as an entirely different plane of existence. > > Let's use two different terms for Aspects: mortal Aspects are the hosts, celestial Aspects are the celestials that empower them. The real Targon, the ones who enslaved ASol, are the celestial Aspects (and maybe, any lesser celestial entities that serve them). The people of Mount Targon aren't "Targorian" in the same sense as the celestial entities. They are just people, whose culture is shaped by the Aspects, living at what is effectively their doorstep potentially following lessons the celestial Aspects shared in times immemorial. They stand in Mount Targon and fight wanderers (celestial entities that enter Runeterra via the portal atop Mount Targon) and are sometimes chosen/empowered by the celestial Aspects as their agents (in which case, celestial and human merge, something similar, but not wholly identical, to Ascension). > > Unknown, maybe Targon is a specific group of celestials that did not give up on their little pet project. Maybe they have other motivations. This is just beyond what we presently know. > > Runeterra seems to be a nexus of all the realms, it is the door and crossroads of all of creation (and beyond, even the Void has found a way in via Runeterra). Whatever celestials shaped Runeterra using the world runes seemed to have wanted to create a plane of existence that could outshine all others, perhaps they realized too late they had invited the Void to their realm. Perhaps Targon are those celestials that stand watch for the Void. > > We don't know, I assume they were curious and playing gods but, in their celestial purity, never quite understood free will. We've had info on Celestial Concepts, ideals manifest in the celestial realm, the very power behind mortal Aspects and Ascended. Perhaps they can only ever be what they are. Could War ever not be War and be something more or something else? Maybe they're slaves to their deterministic natures and never expected mortal life to not be constrained to a single idea like they are. > > Maybe but, again, we don't know. Maybe she was a celestial concept that abandoned her role to interact with the quirky physical reality. > > I do believe Targon is not the only celestial faction ([Myisha wanted plausible deniability for trapping/killing celestials when she trapped the Darkin but the question is: who would hold her accountable?](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/8una0m/were_the_team_that_updated_aatrox_ask_us_anything/e1i6g8l/) I'm guessing non-Targorian Concepts/Aspects). > > Not known yet. > > I reckon that no, Targon is not the entirety of celestials nor do they control the whole of the celestial realm. I will leave this bit from Zoe's bio: > > So Targon is still expanding interdimensionally. > > A few things: bios are subjective. The most obvious examples are Jayce and Viktor. Bios reflect what the champion thought to a point. Aurelion _thought_ they were a species that had expanded from their home world (in a way, he may be right). I believe he has since realized he was wrong and tricked. He likely saw what Targon wanted him to see at the time. > > As for the reason they need him? Targon cannot operate in the material plane usually. Their mortal Aspects, the time space twisting around the Mountain and Soraka sacrificing her power to even come to Runeterra are examples of this. But Aurelion? He is a physical creature or, at least, more physical than them. He is the perfect weapon. They cannot exert their power in the material plane but ASol can. > > We don't know. They may be completely unrelated to Targon or Targon as an empire may have been born from these would-be creator's actions (maybe the celestial Aspects were part of that group). The Sol question should be answered just before. > > ______ > > **TL;DR: An attempt at synthesizing all this/my current thoughts:** > > - A group of celestials created Runeterra with some goal. Runeterra is the nexus of all known planes (physical, spiritual, celestial and the Void). Celestial Creators abandon the project. > > - Targon, a group of celestial concepts (embodiments of abstract concepts) that would later be known as Aspects, is formed, relation with the Creators unknown. > > - [Celestial concepts cannot operate in the physical plane](https://twitter.com/LaurieGoulding/status/1061366466220441601) without significant cost so they rely on merging with humans who resonate with their essence and manipulate an arrogant star dragon into servitude (making him think they are a mere "physical" race). Now, they have the means to operate in the physical plane and use Aurelion to challenge any physical entities that could threaten their control. They begin to expand into multiple dimensions. > > - Their foothold/gateway into Runeterra lies in a mountain known as Mount Targon. People gather there and build cultures around the Aspects, the Aspects likely manipulate them in small ways, ensuring they stand guard against celestial Wanderers that come from atop the mountain. The people of Mount Targon are not true Targorians and Targorians may not be an actual celestial race so much as simply the term for those few celestials that have active interest in Runeterra. And how to explain this from Sol's lore? > He clashed with other cosmic entities, some of which he had known since the dawn of time. For millennia, he fought Targon’s wars, crushed any threats to its dominance, and helped it forge a star-spanning empire It is very intresesting that in the Chinese tranlastion, this phase is translated in a very funny way. DO you se the "it" from** "helped it forge a star-spanning empire"??** Do you know what does this **"it" **reffer? And why in Chinese version they add a quotation mark to the "it" ("它") ??? Seems that this is very special??{{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
TacoBrain (EUW)
: An attempt at answering this: > Targoninas are just, or at least were just a normal race in the early time of current universe, like Runeterran people, from certain planet? Or they are from another plane of existence or another dimension, whose existence form has always been spirit or some unknow cosmic energy? I am guessing the latter. [Scathlocke once implied they did not originate in Runeterra nor any other world](https://twitter.com/LaurieGoulding/status/1052818215758249984) but you can make the case that the celestial realm isn't a "world" proper (in the sense of a planet) so much as an entirely different plane of existence. > Aspects arise from Targonians (for example, some ascension form in the celestial world, same as Shuriman Ascension), or Aspects created Targonians? Or they are just two different type of creatures who work together? Let's use two different terms for Aspects: mortal Aspects are the hosts, celestial Aspects are the celestials that empower them. The real Targon, the ones who enslaved ASol, are the celestial Aspects (and maybe, any lesser celestial entities that serve them). The people of Mount Targon aren't "Targorian" in the same sense as the celestial entities. They are just people, whose culture is shaped by the Aspects, living at what is effectively their doorstep potentially following lessons the celestial Aspects shared in times immemorial. They stand in Mount Targon and fight wanderers (celestial entities that enter Runeterra via the portal atop Mount Targon) and are sometimes chosen/empowered by the celestial Aspects as their agents (in which case, celestial and human merge, something similar, but not wholly identical, to Ascension). > So, what is this "inhabitants of the celestial real"? And why they care so much about the runeterra people? > > Are they targonians? Are they aspects? or they are someone else? Unknown, maybe Targon is a specific group of celestials that did not give up on their little pet project. Maybe they have other motivations. This is just beyond what we presently know. > This means that the celestial beings is watching and guiding or even controlling the mundane people. Only for Runeterra? Or they just do this on all civilizations in this universe? Runeterra seems to be a nexus of all the realms, it is the door and crossroads of all of creation (and beyond, even the Void has found a way in via Runeterra). Whatever celestials shaped Runeterra using the world runes seemed to have wanted to create a plane of existence that could outshine all others, perhaps they realized too late they had invited the Void to their realm. Perhaps Targon are those celestials that stand watch for the Void. > AND WHY THEY DO THIS? They are natural celestial beings? or they are targonians who arose by hand of aurelion sol from another ordinary planet, and now just wanna control all the universe? We don't know, I assume they were curious and playing gods but, in their celestial purity, never quite understood free will. We've had info on Celestial Concepts, ideals manifest in the celestial realm, the very power behind mortal Aspects and Ascended. Perhaps they can only ever be what they are. Could War ever not be War and be something more or something else? Maybe they're slaves to their deterministic natures and never expected mortal life to not be constrained to a single idea like they are. > She mentions pantheon, leona and diana, and seems that she know them and know how the aspect ascension work. > If she is not an aspect,what is she? A targonian normal inhabitant??? Maybe but, again, we don't know. Maybe she was a celestial concept that abandoned her role to interact with the quirky physical reality. > Or just another race of celestial beings cause there are many races in the celestial realm like in Runeterra? I do believe Targon is not the only celestial faction ([Myisha wanted plausible deniability for trapping/killing celestials when she trapped the Darkin but the question is: who would hold her accountable?](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/8una0m/were_the_team_that_updated_aatrox_ask_us_anything/e1i6g8l/) I'm guessing non-Targorian Concepts/Aspects). > They what is the relationship between Soraka and other targonians and aspects? Not known yet. > So how many celestial races out there are in the universe? > They are all called targonians? Or just targonians conquered them all? so now it is a united empire? I reckon that no, Targon is not the entirety of celestials nor do they control the whole of the celestial realm. I will leave this bit from Zoe's bio: > Following this unusual transcendence, **Zoe journeyed to dimensions at the very edge of Targon's control,** playing within realities beyond human comprehension. So Targon is still expanding interdimensionally. > Why did targonians slave aurelion sol, if they are such a poweful race cause in Sol's lore it says targonians had already got the ability to colonize out of their home planet? > But why 3 years ago, a rioter said that what Sol's thinks and knows about Targonians is not 100% accurate because even he doesn't know what are targonians and where they are from? A few things: bios are subjective. The most obvious examples are Jayce and Viktor. Bios reflect what the champion thought to a point. Aurelion _thought_ they were a species that had expanded from their home world (in a way, he may be right). I believe he has since realized he was wrong and tricked. He likely saw what Targon wanted him to see at the time. As for the reason they need him? Targon cannot operate in the material plane usually. Their mortal Aspects, the time space twisting around the Mountain and Soraka sacrificing her power to even come to Runeterra are examples of this. But Aurelion? He is a physical creature or, at least, more physical than them. He is the perfect weapon. They cannot exert their power in the material plane but ASol can. > Then, what are these celestial beings? Are they targonians ? aspects? or targonians and aspects? > > If they are targonians with such power, then again, why they need to slave Sol? We don't know. They may be completely unrelated to Targon or Targon as an empire may have been born from these would-be creator's actions (maybe the celestial Aspects were part of that group). The Sol question should be answered just before. ______ **TL;DR: An attempt at synthesizing all this/my current thoughts:** - A group of celestials created Runeterra with some goal. Runeterra is the nexus of all known planes (physical, spiritual, celestial and the Void). Celestial Creators abandon the project. - Targon, a group of celestial concepts (embodiments of abstract concepts) that would later be known as Aspects, is formed, relation with the Creators unknown. - [Celestial concepts cannot operate in the physical plane](https://twitter.com/LaurieGoulding/status/1061366466220441601) without significant cost so they rely on merging with humans who resonate with their essence and manipulate an arrogant star dragon into servitude (making him think they are a mere "physical" race). Now, they have the means to operate in the physical plane and use Aurelion to challenge any physical entities that could threaten their control. They begin to expand into multiple dimensions. - Their foothold/gateway into Runeterra lies in a mountain known as Mount Targon. People gather there and build cultures around the Aspects, the Aspects likely manipulate them in small ways, ensuring they stand guard against celestial Wanderers that come from atop the mountain. The people of Mount Targon are not true Targorians and Targorians may not be an actual celestial race so much as simply the term for those few celestials that have active interest in Runeterra.
> [{quoted}](name=TacoBrain,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=nkJMxIt9,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-03-06T23:33:06.673+0000) > > An attempt at answering this: > > I am guessing the latter. [Scathlocke once implied they did not originate in Runeterra nor any other world](https://twitter.com/LaurieGoulding/status/1052818215758249984) but you can make the case that the celestial realm isn't a "world" proper (in the sense of a planet) so much as an entirely different plane of existence. > > Let's use two different terms for Aspects: mortal Aspects are the hosts, celestial Aspects are the celestials that empower them. The real Targon, the ones who enslaved ASol, are the celestial Aspects (and maybe, any lesser celestial entities that serve them). The people of Mount Targon aren't "Targorian" in the same sense as the celestial entities. They are just people, whose culture is shaped by the Aspects, living at what is effectively their doorstep potentially following lessons the celestial Aspects shared in times immemorial. They stand in Mount Targon and fight wanderers (celestial entities that enter Runeterra via the portal atop Mount Targon) and are sometimes chosen/empowered by the celestial Aspects as their agents (in which case, celestial and human merge, something similar, but not wholly identical, to Ascension). > > Unknown, maybe Targon is a specific group of celestials that did not give up on their little pet project. Maybe they have other motivations. This is just beyond what we presently know. > > Runeterra seems to be a nexus of all the realms, it is the door and crossroads of all of creation (and beyond, even the Void has found a way in via Runeterra). Whatever celestials shaped Runeterra using the world runes seemed to have wanted to create a plane of existence that could outshine all others, perhaps they realized too late they had invited the Void to their realm. Perhaps Targon are those celestials that stand watch for the Void. > > We don't know, I assume they were curious and playing gods but, in their celestial purity, never quite understood free will. We've had info on Celestial Concepts, ideals manifest in the celestial realm, the very power behind mortal Aspects and Ascended. Perhaps they can only ever be what they are. Could War ever not be War and be something more or something else? Maybe they're slaves to their deterministic natures and never expected mortal life to not be constrained to a single idea like they are. > > Maybe but, again, we don't know. Maybe she was a celestial concept that abandoned her role to interact with the quirky physical reality. > > I do believe Targon is not the only celestial faction ([Myisha wanted plausible deniability for trapping/killing celestials when she trapped the Darkin but the question is: who would hold her accountable?](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/8una0m/were_the_team_that_updated_aatrox_ask_us_anything/e1i6g8l/) I'm guessing non-Targorian Concepts/Aspects). > > Not known yet. > > I reckon that no, Targon is not the entirety of celestials nor do they control the whole of the celestial realm. I will leave this bit from Zoe's bio: > > So Targon is still expanding interdimensionally. > > A few things: bios are subjective. The most obvious examples are Jayce and Viktor. Bios reflect what the champion thought to a point. Aurelion _thought_ they were a species that had expanded from their home world (in a way, he may be right). I believe he has since realized he was wrong and tricked. He likely saw what Targon wanted him to see at the time. > > As for the reason they need him? Targon cannot operate in the material plane usually. Their mortal Aspects, the time space twisting around the Mountain and Soraka sacrificing her power to even come to Runeterra are examples of this. But Aurelion? He is a physical creature or, at least, more physical than them. He is the perfect weapon. They cannot exert their power in the material plane but ASol can. > > We don't know. They may be completely unrelated to Targon or Targon as an empire may have been born from these would-be creator's actions (maybe the celestial Aspects were part of that group). The Sol question should be answered just before. > > ______ > > **TL;DR: An attempt at synthesizing all this/my current thoughts:** > > - A group of celestials created Runeterra with some goal. Runeterra is the nexus of all known planes (physical, spiritual, celestial and the Void). Celestial Creators abandon the project. > > - Targon, a group of celestial concepts (embodiments of abstract concepts) that would later be known as Aspects, is formed, relation with the Creators unknown. > > - [Celestial concepts cannot operate in the physical plane](https://twitter.com/LaurieGoulding/status/1061366466220441601) without significant cost so they rely on merging with humans who resonate with their essence and manipulate an arrogant star dragon into servitude (making him think they are a mere "physical" race). Now, they have the means to operate in the physical plane and use Aurelion to challenge any physical entities that could threaten their control. They begin to expand into multiple dimensions. > > - Their foothold/gateway into Runeterra lies in a mountain known as Mount Targon. People gather there and build cultures around the Aspects, the Aspects likely manipulate them in small ways, ensuring they stand guard against celestial Wanderers that come from atop the mountain. The people of Mount Targon are not true Targorians and Targorians may not be an actual celestial race so much as simply the term for those few celestials that have active interest in Runeterra. In SOl's lore, it mentions this: > Desiring a deeper connection with one of the few races he deemed worthy, the cosmic dragon selected the most ambitious species to grace with his presence. These chosen few sought to unravel the secrets of the universe and had already expanded beyond their **home planet.** Many verses were composed about the day the Star Forger descended to a tiny world and announced his presence to the Targonians. which means, targonians they have a home planet, they were a material race? And, What were the people who kneeled down and gave the crown to Sol? Targonian's material form? Or runeterra's people manipulated by targonians? (who are the ascenstors of Rakours)
: Relationship between Targonians and Aspects?
I infer based on these information the best conclusion: 1 . Somewhere shortly after the creation of universe arise a super civilization who are called targonians. They had no difference with other civilization and runeterran people. 2 . They were so advanced that could already conquer other low-level civilizations and colonize. 3 . For more power and more celestial empire territory, they arrived in a planet called Runeterra, instructing the local people whose descendants are Rarkours in order to give the crown to Aurelion Sol. 4 . Cursed Aurelions Sol helped Targonians expand the empire untill all the universe is occupied by them. 5 . They somehow found a way of ascension, using certain celestial power to become the aspect, the existence of a primal concept. The targonians are so super poweful that they don't even need their body. Instead, they transform themselves fusing with the stars, becoming all spiritual. That is why Soraka changes her appearience when falling down. Yes,Soraka is just a targonian. 6 . Against big threat and enemies, targonians and their ascended form - Aspects use Aurelion Sol to eliminate them. But for low-level and primary civilizations, there is no necessary to start an colonization or war. Therefore, Targonians make tricks in the night sky to guide those primary beings in the planets, like some miracles for them. In this way, they controlled other civilizations. Am I right? {{sticker:zombie-brand-clap}}
Rioter Comments
Nylisa (EUW)
: Hey My Fizz no ult. you know what interest me the most? how did you gather this information? the process that you worked through in order to gather this around and your research process. i'm also interested in your sources if you can share any. i'm working on worldbuilding myself so i'm more intrigued by the methods that goes into such worldbuilding. :) i feel like by doing this you backtracked Riot's work and found that process of work and research.
> [{quoted}](name=Nylisa,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=9o3F3swH,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2019-03-04T18:24:11.926+0000) > > Hey My Fizz no ult. you know what interest me the most? how did you gather this information? the process that you worked through in order to gather this around and your research process. i'm also interested in your sources if you can share any. > > i'm working on worldbuilding myself so i'm more intrigued by the methods that goes into such worldbuilding. :) i feel like by doing this you backtracked Riot's work and found that process of work and research. Which process you mean? About what section? If I do find the work process of Riot about the constructed languages in Ionia, I would not have made this Ionian Languages cause it will conflict with the official one. As for the creation, I personally know more than 3 languages, completely or partially, and I know some linguistic knowleage. So{{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
EdgeLady (NA)
: I've only recently begun my venture into the realm of hard linguistics, but I have some thoughts about what the Ionian language could be like. For one - at least, in older times - there might not have been one language, but many. > [{quoted}](name=Bioluminescence,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=9o3F3swH,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-02T21:30:11.200+0000) If I may mention you, Bio, he had said before that Ionia was much more disconnected before they had to band together against the Noxians. This likely means there are many many many "dialects" in Ionia, as the ones in which Karma and Yasuo speak are defined as "ancient dialects", but their phonetics and even grammar seem quite different, which might indicate that they are totally different languages, perhaps even languages that arose from different origins. Of course, this is basing it on Yasuo's language being translated into English from his dialect being nearly identical to Japanese (and those quotes, in Japanese, do fit his attacks and aesthetic), and Karma's language having similar phonetics to an Indian language, and there are tens of Indian languages which are broken into over a thousand dialects, so it might be near-impossible to find a perfect match (and, if her dialect corresponds to one of the Indo-European Indian languages, it could support some in-lore theories about some Ionians having migrated from Valoran or Icathia; the mainlands have more prevalent PIE influences on their names and languages). So, while a Sino-Tibetan basis could make up some (even a majority, if we correspond to Asia in our world) of Ionia's dialects, we might need different real-world bases for some of them: for example, the basis for Yasuo's language is almost certainly Japonic, while Karma's would likely be either Dravidian or Indic (as a branch of PIE), and there might certainly be Koreanic bases somewhere in there too. We might even see dialects based on Southeast Asian languages in our world that we haven't seen yet! But do take that break from Ionia, Riot, although I love exploring lore, culture, languages, it's best that we do this in the Ionian lull for now. ^_^ Also, I'm not a complete linguistic expert yet so don't hound me if I made any mistakes, but do politely correct me if I did because I want to learn all I can about linguistics. {{sticker:sg-poppy}}
> [{quoted}](name=EdgeLady,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=9o3F3swH,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-03-03T04:00:05.005+0000) > > I've only recently begun my venture into the realm of hard linguistics, but I have some thoughts about what the Ionian language could be like. For one - at least, in older times - there might not have been one language, but many. > > If I may mention you, Bio, he had said before that Ionia was much more disconnected before they had to band together against the Noxians. > > This likely means there are many many many "dialects" in Ionia, as the ones in which Karma and Yasuo speak are defined as "ancient dialects", but their phonetics and even grammar seem quite different, which might indicate that they are totally different languages, perhaps even languages that arose from different origins. Of course, this is basing it on Yasuo's language being translated into English from his dialect being nearly identical to Japanese (and those quotes, in Japanese, do fit his attacks and aesthetic), and Karma's language having similar phonetics to an Indian language, and there are tens of Indian languages which are broken into over a thousand dialects, so it might be near-impossible to find a perfect match (and, if her dialect corresponds to one of the Indo-European Indian languages, it could support some in-lore theories about some Ionians having migrated from Valoran or Icathia; the mainlands have more prevalent PIE influences on their names and languages). > > So, while a Sino-Tibetan basis could make up some (even a majority, if we correspond to Asia in our world) of Ionia's dialects, we might need different real-world bases for some of them: for example, the basis for Yasuo's language is almost certainly Japonic, while Karma's would likely be either Dravidian or Indic (as a branch of PIE), and there might certainly be Koreanic bases somewhere in there too. We might even see dialects based on Southeast Asian languages in our world that we haven't seen yet! > > But do take that break from Ionia, Riot, although I love exploring lore, culture, languages, it's best that we do this in the Ionian lull for now. ^_^ > > Also, I'm not a complete linguistic expert yet so don't hound me if I made any mistakes, but do politely correct me if I did because I want to learn all I can about linguistics. {{sticker:sg-poppy}} The charm of the constructed language consists of the MIXING . LoL. Of course, you can not just do a simple Adding math. You must find the best way to combine them into a realistic language.
: This is really fantastic. My Fizz no ult, you astound me again. I have such respect for your worldbuilding efforts.
> [{quoted}](name=Bioluminescence,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=9o3F3swH,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-02T21:30:11.200+0000) > > This is really fantastic. > My Fizz no ult, you astound me again. I have such respect for your worldbuilding efforts. thank you. I just added something new {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: Ionian Language (Constructed Scripts)
Some Ionian Writing of Ionian champions (Each character has an independent meaning) Akali https://i.imgur.com/lb9MlGa.png Ahri https://i.imgur.com/kyjNwy9.png Irelia (with her family name) https://i.imgur.com/zVi4vlf.png Darha (Reincarnation human body of Karma) https://i.imgur.com/RuVFIrO.png Zed https://i.imgur.com/uQ3O9gx.png Karma https://i.imgur.com/xyVPvPL.png Jhin (with his family name) https://i.imgur.com/IwNvddK.png Kenen https://imgur.com/YzBAXL5 Kai (human body of Varus) https://imgur.com/Q37poUD Kayn(with his family name) https://i.imgur.com/hdSqjmp.png Lee Shin (with his family name- Lee) https://i.imgur.com/32nb9At.png Rakan https://imgur.com/uNIJ0f8 Xayah https://i.imgur.com/hTz5ikB.png Wukong https://i.imgur.com/N0BzR1i.png YI https://i.imgur.com/guiWzGH.png Syndra https://i.imgur.com/teKpCyn.png Yasuo https://i.imgur.com/IuVdLnP.png Valmar (human body of varus) https://i.imgur.com/A4kfbVL.png Varus https://i.imgur.com/giUp6Zi.png GOD, Ionian champions too many,{{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
  Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=My Fizz no ult,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=pGh0gkno,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-02-27T16:10:05.771+0000) > > But they do have in Bio of AOL do they?
> [{quoted}](name=Camille Ferrøs,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=pGh0gkno,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2019-02-27T16:11:11.977+0000) > > do they? It says targonians extended their territory out of their home planet.
: I don't think they have a home planet. They live in the celestial realm and from there they started spreading across the physical places like the Mountain in Runeterra.
> [{quoted}](name=Camille Ferrøs,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=pGh0gkno,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-02-27T14:25:39.388+0000) > > I don't think they have a home planet. They live in the celestial realm and from there they started spreading across the physical places like the Mountain in Runeterra. But they do have in Bio of AOL
Zapzya (OCE)
: Well it's definitely possible, but I wouldn't say it is likely. All we really have is speculation to go off, so everything I say that follows is theory, not cannon. Runeterra in particular appear to be special and so I would assume Mount Targon is unique. If they were to try and influence lower level civilizations, it would likely just be through incarnations of the aspects within those other civilizations. Multiple aspects appearing among one civilization is incredibly rare, so maybe they spread out more. I've even seen people mention that aspects can have multiple champions, for example multiple Pantheons at the same time, but I don't know the source for this. As for whether they named it Targon, the question is did they name the planet Targon after they claimed the planet as an expansion of their empire, or if they are from Targon and named themselves Targonians after it? I suspect they originated from Targon and named themselves Targonian, but we don't know for sure. This area of the lore has no real concrete answers, only hints here and there. Some of the few known facts we have include: * There is a Celestial Targonian empire which spans many worlds and enslaved A Sol to fight the void. * They have aspects which they often send to interact with the mortal races. * The top of Mount Targon is said to have a gateway to the celestial realm which only a chosen few can enter. * Soraka is from a race of celestial beings, but whether or not they are the same as the Targonian Empire remains undetermined. * We don't know where Bard fits in, if at all.
> [{quoted}](name=Zapzya,realm=OCE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=pGh0gkno,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-02-27T11:06:36.545+0000) > > Well it's definitely possible, but I wouldn't say it is likely. All we really have is speculation to go off, so everything I say that follows is theory, not cannon. Runeterra in particular appear to be special and so I would assume Mount Targon is unique. If they were to try and influence lower level civilizations, it would likely just be through incarnations of the aspects within those other civilizations. Multiple aspects appearing among one civilization is incredibly rare, so maybe they spread out more. I've even seen people mention that aspects can have multiple champions, for example multiple Pantheons at the same time, but I don't know the source for this. > > As for whether they named it Targon, the question is did they name the planet Targon after they claimed the planet as an expansion of their empire, or if they are from Targon and named themselves Targonians after it? I suspect they originated from Targon and named themselves Targonian, but we don't know for sure. > > This area of the lore has no real concrete answers, only hints here and there. Some of the few known facts we have include: > > * There is a Celestial Targonian empire which spans many worlds and enslaved A Sol to fight the void. > > * They have aspects which they often send to interact with the mortal races. > > * The top of Mount Targon is said to have a gateway to the celestial realm which only a chosen few can enter. > > * Soraka is from a race of celestial beings, but whether or not they are the same as the Targonian Empire remains undetermined. > > * We don't know where Bard fits in, if at all. From all the stories, we can basically confirm that targonians have ruled the universe, so Soraka herself and Soraka's story referr to targonians.
: 1 - Aurelion Sol creates stars, not planets. As also says this quote: _"Planetary life... the insufferable byproduct of dim stars."_. World Runes are not his creation and iirc they just came to birth on Runeterra as result of its own magic nature. 2 - Targonians are native of Runeterra but they tapped into cosmic magic and space travel before Aurelion Sol came in contact with them, he got interested in them exactly because of it.
> [{quoted}](name=Stars Shaper,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=pGh0gkno,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-02-27T11:37:30.692+0000) > > 1 - Aurelion Sol creates stars, not planets. As also says this quote: _"Planetary life... the insufferable byproduct of dim stars."_. World Runes are not his creation and iirc they just came to birth on Runeterra as result of its own magic nature. > > 2 - Targonians are native of Runeterra but they tapped into cosmic magic and space travel before Aurelion Sol came in contact with them, he got interested in them exactly because of it. what is the evidence proving Runeterra is targonian's home planet?
Zapzya (OCE)
: I'm not a rioter, but my assumed answers to these are: 1. Aurelion Sol only created the stars, not planets. He has a line saying "Planetary life... the insufferable byproduct of dim stars." though, so it isn't impossible, though I think he would probably be too proud to make a planet, and we have no confirmation that he is the only star forging entity. His bio also reads "The being now known as Aurelion Sol was already ancient by the time stellar debris first coalesced into worlds." which implies planets form naturally. Whether stars form without him, I don't know. 2. The Targonians come from Targon/ Runeterra, as their name implies they ascended from Mount Targon. It is possible that they named the place Targon after their civilization, but as we know of no other worlds, I think Runeterra would be better than a random alien planet. I don't think we will get a direct answer to this, they've been pretty tight lipped on Celestial Targon. Aurelion Sol is my favourite champion in the game, and yet his lore is so blank because if they want to expand on him, they need to expand on Celestial Targon, or have him confront mortals on Runeterra which he would never do because they are beneath him. Poor star dragon.
> [{quoted}](name=Zapzya,realm=OCE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=pGh0gkno,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-02-27T10:35:22.548+0000) > > I'm not a rioter, but my assumed answers to these are: > > 1. Aurelion Sol only created the stars, not planets. He has a line saying "Planetary life... the insufferable byproduct of dim stars." though, so it isn't impossible, though I think he would probably be too proud to make a planet, and we have no confirmation that he is the only star forging entity. His bio also reads "The being now known as Aurelion Sol was already ancient by the time stellar debris first coalesced into worlds." which implies planets form naturally. Whether stars form without him, I don't know. > > 2. The Targonians come from Targon/ Runeterra, as their name implies they ascended from Mount Targon. It is possible that they named the place Targon after their civilization, but as we know of no other worlds, I think Runeterra would be better than a random alien planet. I don't think we will get a direct answer to this, they've been pretty tight lipped on Celestial Targon. > > Aurelion Sol is my favourite champion in the game, and yet his lore is so blank because if they want to expand on him, they need to expand on Celestial Targon, or have him confront mortals on Runeterra which he would never do because they are beneath him. Poor star dragon. Is there any possibility that Targonians are controlling all the low level civilizations according to Soraka's new lore by shaping Targon Mounts in every planets? And as for the name TARGON, they just named it?
: Rioters, can you explain two questions??
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