Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: May 17
What other balance changes are you looking towards? Is there anything on Nautilus or Sylas?
: So Ninja started to play League
Thing is Ninja used to be a league player (IIRC he was diamond 1 in s4/s5) and he enjoyed playing it but it wasn’t in his usually genre of games - RR, fortnite, PUBG. He played quite a while ago and it’s nice to see him playing it again.
: Oh! Hi Marc! Also. "Dream Drop Destruction". Is that what I think it is?
> [{quoted}](name=4 Step Cadence,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=91zL2Rwo,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-08-14T19:58:05.483+0000) > > Oh! Hi Marc! > > Also. > "Dream Drop Destruction". > Is that what I think it is? ITS A KINGDOM HEARTS REFERENCE :OOOOOOO
Rexxiee (NA)
: Talon's WR back to almost 55% in diamond
Useless nerfs? They nerfed 40 damage out of his main ability (W), how is that a useless nerf?
Done25 (NA)
: Why do you think riot went to such large lengths to delay assassin burst? Talon needs to land three abilities *and* a basic attack to trigger his passive. LB was made to delay her abilities to trigger her damage sigil. Zed's ult has a big window from start to finish during which he can either be CCed or the target can be healed/shielded. Don't you dare try and say Rengar jumping out of a bush/ult and instantly nuking someone with Duskblade+Stormrazor is healthy gameplay.
> [{quoted}](name=Done25,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zX1hxMpl,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-07-02T14:35:41.103+0000) > > Why do you think riot went to such large lengths to delay assassin burst? > Talon needs to land three abilities *and* a basic attack to trigger his passive. > LB was made to delay her abilities to trigger her damage sigil. > Zed's ult has a big window from start to finish during which he can either be CCed or the target can be healed/shielded. > > Don't you dare try and say Rengar jumping out of a bush/ult and instantly nuking someone with Duskblade+Stormrazor is healthy gameplay. And look what happened. Everyone can agree that the assassin rework was a complete failure; you've got two champions who got reverts and a bunch more where you've just completely alienated the playerbase. Burst is burst for a reason. Without burst, assassins can hardly exist.
Terozu (NA)
: PSA Some people do like Arurf.
I remember when URF was out, people kept asking for ARURF all the time and now look where we're at.
: > [{quoted}](name=Zho Yi,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=9jthKRd8,comment-id=0001000000020000,timestamp=2018-05-26T03:15:46.707+0000) > > What do you mean by that exactly? I think if anything, mobile legends still copied the concept of League of Legends. I just think it's less severe because the characters don't look exactly like the characters in LoL. Idk if what he's saying is true or not, but Tencent owns league. If Tencent also owns mobile legends, they can't be "stealing" their own property.
> [{quoted}](name=ßlended Fetus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=9jthKRd8,comment-id=00010000000200000000,timestamp=2018-05-26T06:54:59.771+0000) > > Idk if what he's saying is true or not, but Tencent owns league. If Tencent also owns mobile legends, they can't be "stealing" their own property. Tencent doesn’t own mobile legends, they own **arena of valor** which is the most popular mobile game atm and its player base surpasses that of league.
Fefnil (EUW)
: This patch though
{{champion:203}} : what are stacks?
Durfain (EUW)
: Can Banshee build out of negatron now?
The main reason why they nerfed banshee's in the first place was because mages could just sit on negatron knowing they can build banshee's out of it eventually.
Rioter Comments
: duhh, Lower his damage numbers or remove his R free bush stealth evolution or give a reasonable counter to invisibility like old {{item:2055}} or pink wards so then you able to see him and kill if he missteps(instead of sheety after image, which does jack sheet). There are so many solutions, Rioters just aren't doing anything. The problem might be the khazix main play-tester and he is just giving them the wrong feedback. I forgot his name, I asked him a couple of times in play-test talk with no reply.
> [{quoted}](name=Slice n Dice em,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=m6Q4Yulc,comment-id=00060001,timestamp=2018-05-14T03:48:11.647+0000) > > duhh, Lower his damage numbers or remove his R free bush stealth evolution or give a reasonable counter to invisibility like old {{item:2055}} or pink wards so then you able to see him and kill if he missteps(instead of sheety after image, which does jack sheet). There are so many solutions, Rioters just aren't doing anything. The problem might be the khazix main play-tester and he is just giving them the wrong feedback. I forgot his name, I asked him a couple of times in play-test talk with no reply. And how would I know all of that in OP's post of "I hate his kit i hate his invisibility i hate everything about this fucking bug"?
: The point is to make riot aware to fuckin nerf kha zix already. He has been broken for well over a year now. Ardent cancer kinda overshadowed it. Now let's say for atleast two months kha zix has been top tier now and all riot does is tryto "powershift" and then do nothing. Just straight, NERF HIM. When even challenger players like noway start complaining and joking that "someone on the riot team must be a kha otp there is no other explanation" for riots unwillingness to nerf him then there IS something wrong. Noway is usually not one to complain about balance or champs in general unless it is actually an ongoing problem.
> [{quoted}](name=GayFluffyUnicorn,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=m6Q4Yulc,comment-id=00060002,timestamp=2018-05-14T06:12:21.612+0000) > > The point is to make riot aware to fuckin nerf kha zix already. > He has been broken for well over a year now. > Ardent cancer kinda overshadowed it. > Now let's say for atleast two months kha zix has been top tier now and all riot does is tryto "powershift" and then do nothing. > Just straight, NERF HIM. > When even challenger players like noway start complaining and joking that "someone on the riot team must be a kha otp there is no other explanation" for riots unwillingness to nerf him then there IS something wrong. > Noway is usually not one to complain about balance or champs in general unless it is actually an ongoing problem. Am I supposed to understand all of that in "I hate his kit i hate his invisibility i hate everything about this fucking bug."?
Hópe (NA)
: When the fuck is Kha getting nerfed?????? We have to wait until MSI is over??
What is the point of this post? It offers nothing to the discussion, and it's literally just a rant. If you're going to post "i hate x champ" at least give some insight on what you would do to improve it, rather than just go on a tangent and whine about it.
: A stat-check simply means the fight against them is not skill versus skill, but stat versus stat. Against a Zed or Riven with any amount of skill, your skill no longer matters at all. It becomes a simple question of "Do I have enough effective health versus them to survive their combo, or do I die?" There is no ability to dodge them. There is no ability to outplay them. There is simply "I out-stat them, they fuck up, or they out-stat me". When you fight against either of them, is it **ever** you win because you beat them in a contest of skill? Or is it just "I had enough health, armor, and shields, or I had Zhonya's, so I guess I won".
> [{quoted}](name=DuskDaUmbreon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4uWQGe2M,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-09T17:29:34.964+0000) > > A stat-check simply means the fight against them is not skill versus skill, but stat versus stat. > > Against a Zed or Riven with any amount of skill, your skill no longer matters at all. It becomes a simple question of "Do I have enough effective health versus them to survive their combo, or do I die?" > > There is no ability to dodge them. There is no ability to outplay them. There is simply "I out-stat them, they fuck up, or they out-stat me". > > When you fight against either of them, is it **ever** you win because you beat them in a contest of skill? Or is it just "I had enough health, armor, and shields, or I had Zhonya's, so I guess I won". You're right in the sense that that's what stat-check is. Riven and Zed aren't stat-check champions however, there is the ability to outplay both of them and it isn't difficult to. If you're thinking of stat-check champions, think along the lines of Mundo, and Garen who just run straight at you. **THEN** it's stat vs stat.
Snowman Arc (EUNE)
: Khazix on PBE
What? People have asking to remove the brush stealth mechanic for ages and now they **finally** do it and you guys have more to complain about? Unreal.
: Mages only have 1 truly dedicated Keystone...
Has everyone forgotten electrocute still exists?
: > [{quoted}](name=try to plan ahea,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rAmdFJlk,comment-id=0014,timestamp=2018-05-02T17:11:45.959+0000) > > {{champion:23}} loses out massively because {{item:3508}} lost its crit chance and its no longer a good item on him, whereas before it was 100% a core item ER tryndemere? {{sticker:sg-lux-2}} News to me
> [{quoted}](name=ChaddyFantome,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rAmdFJlk,comment-id=00140000,timestamp=2018-05-02T18:33:57.359+0000) > > ER tryndemere? > {{sticker:sg-lux-2}} > > News to me It's 100% a core item on him.
: You're playing a dangerous game, Riot!
Nobody builds {{item:3078}} on {{champion:62}} , are you kidding me? And you want to suggest he builds CRIT as well? Good lord, you have no idea what you're talking about.
: Why is no one mentioning Tryndamere and Yasuo with the new IE changes.
{{champion:23}} loses out massively because {{item:3508}} lost its crit chance and its no longer a good item on him, whereas before it was 100% a core item
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> [{quoted}](name=Elias1724,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=607LvYan,comment-id=00070001,timestamp=2018-05-01T03:10:13.243+0000) > > Exactly what relevance does it have to the discussion on Kha'Zix's current state? You could say the same for OP using s3/s4 data and about its “relevance to the discussion on his current state”
: This is my “LoL is dying” post, and I require validation
Good lord, the amount of people on here who don't understand that the OP was being satirical.
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> [{quoted}](name=Elias1724,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QmhdE8M9,comment-id=000a0004,timestamp=2018-04-23T17:16:42.663+0000) > > It was a 99% for literally .25 seconds. Talon was also a champion who was completely immobile, with his only escape being burning his ultimate. That 15% damage amp on E also scales from 3% at level one. > > His E was maxed last. He didn't see 15% damage amp until literally level 18. At the times Talon was was most relevant in the game, that ability was sitting at level 1 with a measly 3% increase. > > You make it sound like that ability was so "not healthy" for the game by tacking on things like "99% slow and damage amp by 15%" without considering any implication into how old Talon actually played. It doesn't sound anywhere near as OP when you realize that slow was for a literal quarter-second and the damage amp was at 3% for the majority of the game. If you are going to comment on a specific champion's balance, at least try to fundamentally understand their kit. You're missing the entire point of the ability; it was a **point-and-click teleport to a target**. How can you argue this is a healthy ability when he could literally zone people off lane just because of the threat of teleporting behind them? The 99% slow and damage amp just further exacerbated the issue, so yes it is an OP ability. Ironic how you tell me to understand his kit but you completely misunderstand what his E is for.
Madsin25 (NA)
: His damage in lane was a hell of a lot lower pre-rework. The "99% slow" was .25 seconds long. The damage amp only happened to 1 target and once you went in you couldn't get out compared to now you can escape hoping over the closet wall. Also the 15% damage amp means nothing when all of that power and more was put on his passive for the rework. So the 15% damage amp didn't even go away and now it's possible to apply it to more than 2 people if you position right. You can argue new talon is better for the game or whatever bs but the fact of the matter is he has a MUCH higher winrate now than he ever did and he is not even fun to play anymore.
> The "99% slow" was .25 seconds long. The damage amp only happened to 1 target and once you went in you couldn't get out compared to now you can escape hoping over the closet wall. The main problem is that it was point-and-click teleport to target, the 99% slow just exacerbated what was a terrible ability that had zero counterplay. He could literally zone you off lane just by the threat of that ability alone, and I'm glad it's gone. > You can argue new talon is better for the game or whatever bs but the fact of the matter is he has a MUCH higher winrate now than he ever did and he is not even fun to play anymore. He has a much higher winrate? Doesn't that just mean he's a pretty good pick now? As for being fun, there are much more people who enjoy the new talon over the old one.
: @RiotRepertoir, 2 out of 4 Reworked Assassins have been reverted
New {{champion:91}} is so much better than old talon. I don't know why people keep asking for old talon. His entire combo revolved around using a point and click teleport to target which had a 99% slow and amplified your damage by 15% -- absolutely no way is this ability healthy for the game at all.
Eedat (NA)
: People should stop saying the Devs dont communicate with us if.....
I honestly get tired whenever I come to gameplay, and see the same type of threads come up. For once, I just want gameplay to not be infested with complaints or unfounded hate towards x champion just because they lost against them. Maybe if there was better advertisement towards the Dev Corner or even Meddler's gameplay thoughts then this board sub-section may improve in quality.
: Name me one class that hasnt been extremely damn OP at one point aside from the divers one,.....and in their case its more of 1 or 2 of them being strong or even OP at a time rather than most of them. And buffing marksmen is probably the easiest thing to do, give them something as small as 10+ base AD and suddenly the affected one starts rising in winrates almost immediately....not to mention other buffs. And from what i know they simply cant figure some bugs out very quickly or even the thing thats causing them, but they are still better at this area than many other game developers i have seen, Fatshark who released vermintide 2 just a while ago still have several gamebreaking bugs from their beta in the released edition.......several patches later. And many others similarly exist. And according to some rioteer the reason marksmen works got delayed is because they couldnt come up with any satisfying method in a short amount of time that fixed things well enough so they decided to take it slower and brainstorm essentially promising a overhaul to some degree of botlane. And the groundwork for that will be laid in the midseason by the looks of things. Right now i can think of 3 really problematic elements. 1. Supports are OP, i shit you not, most champs in the class were made to work well even when down on levels and gold resulting in being extremely overloaded when they actually have those, and we are still dealing with the aftereffects of that with endless nerfs to janna and Sona etc......and they still hold on. 2. Marksmen and tanks have been balanced relative to eachother and nothing else.......or rather, hypercarry marksmen like kog/Varus/vayne have been used as a bar for tanks to measure them and only those that perform satisfactory were added into the game.....which results in half the marksmen not doing anything to the tanks along with most other champs also not doing anything. This has been getting better but hypercarry marksmen and tanks are still extremely dominant in pro play and in soloq Varus+shield/heal support is basically the god of freelo, acknowledged by APDO. 3. The marksmen arent the only one that are currently suffering from massive differences in performance.....many other classes do as well which serves to promote a few as OP/strong and the others as garbage....then those topmost ones get nerfed and you are basically forced to play the remaining ones to remain strong. This kinda deal hurts diversity, badly, for who wants to put themselves in a disadvantage right from the start? I believe a great deal of good can be done by toning down on both marksmen and supports, particularly supports, after all, if the protection weakens then assassins and divers will start working better by default which makes them more viable. If hypercarries weaken then utility carries become better choices. And with all that damage down it´d be alright to tone down on some crazy scalings like Brand and others, before making tanks a little less resistant to everything aside from hypercarries. And while i dont want that big Cho to die in 5 seconds i still think the difference in a MF shooting a cho vs varus shooting at 2 items needs to be looked at, MF can go at it for a minute or more or even die trying while Varus melts him in ....i dunno, 10-20 seconds? If such a tank gets picked you are basically straight up trolling by picking MF......i might have mentioned this but diversity dies with this kinda setup. So.....yeah i have hopes up for overall things getting better post mid-season.
> Name me one class that hasnt been extremely damn OP at one point aside from the divers one juggernaut
: @RiotRepertoir, can we do something about TALON?
Not riot but some of the things you say are a bit ridiculous. Apart from the mentioned below, I pretty much agree with the rest of your points though the buffs you're talking about are not QoL, they're just straight up buffs. --- > His short-ranged [crit-Q] applies in a longer range than it's supposed to be {it's supposed to crit at 170 range, but it applies at 180-190}, so the hope of chasing an enemy is lost many times. What is this complaint? The hopes of chasing an enemy who is 10 extra range away is "lost"many times? If he crits at a larger range than he should be doing, which you say he is... isn't that supposed to be a good thing for him? > Revert/rework his [W]. his old Rake [W] had a 2 seconds slow that applied on both parts of the ability, was faster and wider, the new one is longer but easily dodged, is narrower which makes it easier to dodge, and applies a 1 second slow only on the returning blade + it deals more damage on the second part. why don't we give him the slow on the first part of the [W]? Because then it'll very hard to dodge his W at all if it applied the slow on initial cast, his current [W] is supposed to punish players who remain in the return zone of the blades and provides ~some counterplay to opponents. You also forgot to mention his [W] is spammable, and serves as his safe waveclear tool. > Give him an additional 50 range on his [Q] to be 600 range. No. It's fine as it is. > and his major problem is not the damage, but where it all lies. You've given him a rework that's supposed to be fun to play, but put most of his damage in his passive, and AGAIN, it's an Auto-attack reliant passive. You gave him raw damage, nothing more, not % hp damage, not even grievous wounds on his bleed. It's not an auto attack reliant passive. It's a 'land your combo' reliant passive, and if you do, you'll be in melee range to proc the passive. As for raw damage, **EVERY** assassin is raw damage - Katarina, Zed, Fizz, Nocturne, Leblanc etc. none of them have any scaling % so talon isn't any different in that sense. > If you feel like fixing his bugs + giving hims some QoL buffs would make him overpowered, then he should definitely be reverted like Rengar and Leblanc. Absolutely not. New talon is by far better than old talon. His old [E] - Point and click teleport 99% slow is absolute not fun to play against and it was the main reason why old talon's kit worked together so even if you were to revert and keep the new [E], his kit wouldn't work at all. Thank god that was removed.
Barcid (NA)
: The Zed compensation buffs made Zed worse to deal with while fixing nothing about his late-game
What most people don't understand when playing against Zed is that: Yes, he does have a safe laning phase, and not recognizing this fact can easily mean losing lane or even the game against him. As for the compensation buffs -- Yes he does a LOT of damage **IF** he lands all shurikens and **IF** it doesn't pass through any minions on the way. It helps his all-in combo, **IF** he's able to land it properly and if he does, then no doubt he should be rewarded for hitting his combo.
Raoul (EUW)
: Buffing and buffing again made this game powercreep like hell.
Well that's not really true. The assassin update left assassins in the gutter, so much so 2 of them had to be reverted.
tieger05 (OCE)
: Why is Twitch getting buffed?
What are you talking about? They aren’t buffing him, he’s getting half of his nerfs reverted but he is still overall nerfed.
: > [{quoted}](name=Colton147,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TnMA0BNy,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-02-28T03:21:57.004+0000) > > {{champion:29}} was gutted and tossed into the dumpster - he is pretty much {{champion:222}}-tier of trash ADCs. He is badly in need of a revert/compensation buff. > > 48% win rate: > http://na.op.gg/champion/twitch/statistics/adc When the blooming hell did a dang **48% win rate** on a champion ever be considered as them being freaking gutted???
> [{quoted}](name=2nd Chance,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TnMA0BNy,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2018-02-28T06:39:46.438+0000) > > When the blooming hell did a dang **48% win rate** on a champion ever be considered as them being freaking gutted??? I mean considering the nerfs dropped his win-rate by a whopping 5%, I'd consider them a bit harsh. Twitch is still nerfed, no doubt about that, but it's just not as hard as before.
: > [{quoted}](name=Princess Snow,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=B6pMtwOb,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2018-02-24T02:55:21.369+0000) > > Sorry for breaking the circlejerk but you can’t just quote people on what they’ve said years ago, the game’s vastly changed and has been adapted since. > > You can’t apply the context of what’s happened 4 years ago to today. It’s just not the same. He's referencing his bullet points as relevant even now and unironically you post this after... > [{quoted}](name=Princess Snow,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=B6pMtwOb,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-02-24T02:59:34.801+0000) > > I honestly feel like you’re just not allowed to say anything positive about the game or you just get downvoted into oblivion by the boards hate train. > > Shame really, while I do find some parts of the game annoying, I still find playing the game quite enjoyable but god forbid if I say anything good about league or riot on here. Despite your vague disdain to some annoying parts of the game. Criticism is and can be positive/constructive, JustaNewb was. Agreeing isn't circle-jerking, boot licking or rather singing praises is while ignoring everything else and Riot is aware of issues they may overlook otherwise this place wouldn't exist or it's purpose is a mere a echo chamber. Keep it positive and share.
> [{quoted}](name=DedSilent,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=B6pMtwOb,comment-id=000100010001,timestamp=2018-02-24T04:30:48.975+0000) > > He's referencing his bullet points as relevant even now and unironically you post this after... > > > > Despite your vague disdain to some annoying parts of the game. Criticism is and can be positive/constructive, JustaNewb was. Agreeing isn't circle-jerking, boot licking or rather singing praises is while ignoring everything else and Riot is aware of issues they may overlook otherwise this place wouldn't exist or it's purpose is a mere a echo chamber. > > Keep it positive and share. He's saying how what riot's said a couple of years ago is applicable to today and while some of it is still relevant, the game has changed and evolved since that so much so that you can't exactly take what they were talking about in the past because they were referencing different situations.
: Riot, this RIGHT here is whats changed about you for the worst
I honestly feel like you’re just not allowed to say anything positive about the game or you just get downvoted into oblivion by the boards hate train. Shame really, while I do find some parts of the game annoying, I still find playing the game quite enjoyable but god forbid if I say anything good about league or riot on here.
: If you want to see some more examples, hit up the old archives of the old forums and look at a ton of their arguements against: - True Damage - Item Oriented Gameplay - High Mobility Combined with CC - etc It was RIOT that argued against these things, and listed extremely good reasons.
> [{quoted}](name=JustaNewb,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=B6pMtwOb,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-02-23T23:26:53.356+0000) > > If you want to see some more examples, hit up the old archives of the old forums and look at a ton of their arguements against: > > - True Damage > - Item Oriented Gameplay > - High Mobility Combined with CC > - etc > > It was RIOT that argued against these things, and listed extremely good reasons. Sorry for breaking the circlejerk but you can’t just quote people on what they’ve said years ago, the game’s vastly changed and has been adapted since. You can’t apply the context of what’s happened 4 years ago to today. It’s just not the same. Edit (to clarify what I mean): He's saying how what riot's said a couple of years ago is applicable to today and while some of it is still relevant, the game has changed and evolved since that so much so that you can't exactly take what they were talking about in the past because they were referencing different situations. Downvote me all you want but I still stick to what I've said.
: who cares fuc that toxic champ srsly
> [{quoted}](name=BigBonedCartman,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ia2HUFMh,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-02-22T12:53:37.307+0000) > > who cares fuc that toxic champ srsly I mean... a lot of people care?
CEXY (NA)
: He existed before tracker's, he'll be okay afterwards as well.
> [{quoted}](name=CEXY,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ia2HUFMh,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-02-22T13:35:41.520+0000) > > He existed before tracker's, he'll be okay afterwards as well. That's because there used to exist sightstone and wriggle's lantern, both of which are gone.
Rioter Comments
: The overlying issue is you are forced to play a tank if you don't you will get out dps'd by assassins with lethality or burst down by an adc that has a lifesteal item and a support providing 1-3 different heals a shield and C.C. (im counting redemption in here as a source of healing. aforementioned supports are taric janna and soraka) it just makes it antifun to play top lane specially if you don't get any ganks cause you're jungler camps bot side and mid since it has alot better objectives and a weaker tower. the game just turns into a ticklefight for the first 20 minutes barring you getting ganked by enemy jungler or you tp'ing to another lane to assist.
> [{quoted}](name=kagepaladin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ekifocsR,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2018-02-05T23:29:08.268+0000) > > The overlying issue is you are forced to play a tank if you don't you will get out dps'd by assassins with lethality or burst down by an adc that has a lifesteal item and a support providing 1-3 different heals a shield and C.C. (im counting redemption in here as a source of healing. aforementioned supports are taric janna and soraka) it just makes it antifun to play top lane specially if you don't get any ganks cause you're jungler camps bot side and mid since it has alot better objectives and a weaker tower. the game just turns into a ticklefight for the first 20 minutes barring you getting ganked by enemy jungler or you tp'ing to another lane to assist. Why are you forced to play a tank? Current meta in both soloq and competitive indicate otherwise, top lane has some of the highest diversity right now (which can be a problem), tanks aren't dominating top at all. You've actually got a wide range of bruisers and carries as well as your staple tanks. Sorry for breaking the circlejerk, but I'm actually somewhat enjoying playing top lane.
: SUMMONERS; major culprit behind Top Lane's state & general current feel of the game. Hear me out.
What is people's obsession with top lane? Downvote me all you want, but Champion diversity in top lane is actually more diverse than it's ever been (god forbid the past few top metas of maokai/gnar/shen only, it was so boring to watch and play against.) The meta is better than it has been through the entirety of season 7. Obviously there are some champions that feel underwhelming (e.g. Renekton, Darius) because they have no decent keystone, but some champions will ALWAYS feel underwhelming, that is normal. A lot of bruisers/carry champions are actually very strong right now (GP, Camille, Jax, Fiora, Jayce, Gnar, Akali (just SoloQ), Sion, Vlad, Nasus etc.) while tanks are also in a decent spot (Ornn, Maokai, Chogath, Shen). Granted I think there should be a keystone for bruisers, or at least some changes made to some of the champions but that doesn't mean top lane is in a terrible state as it is, you've got more diversity than previous seasons of only a trifecta of champions being viable top lane. As for first turrets, it's actually in very few cases that top lane turret goes faster than bot lane turret. Sorry, but I just don't see the complaint.
: Because you can time it perfectly to avoid CC and know when to use it and when to hold it. It can also be baited out, like GP oranges, Fiora W, Riven E, etc.
> [{quoted}](name=AngusBoomPants,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wXMpHE4W,comment-id=00100000,timestamp=2018-02-04T07:36:32.998+0000) > > Because you can time it perfectly to avoid CC and know when to use it and when to hold it. It can also be baited out, like GP oranges, Fiora W, Riven E, etc. so can about a million other abilities be baited out as well, what makes ornn w any different? c'mon dude, you can't be seriously saying press w at a particular time is skill expression, pretty sure anyone can do that.
Nolafus (NA)
: If Ornn is getting nerfed again...
it's literally pressing one button how is that "skill expression" in any way
: I never post in memes and games. I just happened upon this making my way over to the Gameplay section. Jesus fucking christ did this make me Lol. You deserve every god damn upvote :P
> [{quoted}](name=Maple Nectar,realm=NA,application-id=Ir7ZrJjF,discussion-id=RZAELHx3,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-01-19T17:21:55.827+0000) > > I never post in memes and games. I just happened upon this making my way over to the Gameplay section. Jesus fucking christ did this make me Lol. You deserve every god damn upvote :P Quick! Put your biohazard suit on!
Kryptone (EUNE)
: Gragas is an unhealthy Champion.
Dude, he’s not drinking. He’s drowning in pussy.
Rioter Comments
: Me every time I need to leave M&G
Honestly can't stand the people in gameplay. The amount of bias, hypocrisy and just blatant bullshitting there just makes me want to turn off my brain.
: And Riot wonder how did they not receive best eSport game awards of 2017
Those awards stopped meaning entirely when Overwatch won best esports of the year. It has absolutely terrible spectator views and its esports scene is abysmal.
: Vayne is still total bullsht
What are the point of posts like these? You offer 0 actual discussion beyond the title of the post and hope to achieve something? Honestly baffles me - maybe you just want to farm upvotes or something for the internet points?
Sraeg2013 (EUNE)
: I've been saying that since she was changed. But no, no, no. She's completely fiiiiiiiine. Then she gets an assist in a teamfight and everybody on the enemy team ends up being dead if you haven't focused that 0/10 Katarina with 30 CS.
> [{quoted}](name=Sraeg2013,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EarEGxZf,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-12-22T18:49:42.988+0000) > > I've been saying that since she was changed. > > But no, no, no. She's completely fiiiiiiiine. > > Then she gets an assist in a teamfight and everybody on the enemy team ends up being dead if you haven't focused that 0/10 Katarina with 30 CS. Stop with your bullshit. Any champ with a 0/10 score and 30 CS isn't going to single-handedly win a teamfight, they're 0/10 for a reason. There is plenty of counterplay to Katarina, and she's in a better state than she was pre-rework.
: Real talk, why does Riot not sell announcer packs?
Porocles (NA)
: The client can be scaled! Hold Ctrl and tap + to increase its size.
> [{quoted}](name=Porocles,realm=NA,application-id=osqw6G4M,discussion-id=JRtL7WAG,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-12-22T17:22:07.944+0000) > > The client can be scaled! Hold Ctrl and tap + to increase its size. Thank you! Didn't know about this so really helpful!
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