Croc463 (EUW)
: How to fix this destroyed game
Really cool that people just downvote this without writing anything about why, just sayin
: First you ask for balancing around high elo, then you ask for Azir buffs? If something, he is on the way to get more nerfs lul You also want to bring back the unheatlhy amount of vision that green smite brought to high ranks, why? (Why are you acting like Minecraft wasn't fun???)
I said small buffs, and it's not like Azir is OP or something But you're kinda right about green smite, hmm, idk, I have to talk to some people abt that I guess
Croc463 (EUW)
: Sorry, I looked up Boards on this account and just got the idea to make this post, heres my (Last) Main tho as it's banned :/ https://i.imgur.com/QfY7z0q.jpg
I know it's not high elo but tbh, Elo doesn't really matter when saying this, or why should it?
: I dont really feel like you're getting the point in the part where people who build defensively are tired of being one shot anyway, despite building defensively. Like, I get that assassins should be high burst, and I get that they should have ways of ignoring *some* defenses...but they shouldn't be walking up to a 3 armor item'd top lane and killing them with a combo and two autos. Assassins are supposed to be about precision target priority...instead, they're free to just mutilate *any* one target, no matter who they are, pretty much at their leisure. Tanks are supposed to counter assassins, and currently, they really don't. Other than Kench, but let's be real, that's cause he's going full apeshit right now. They need to have a good look at how to balance the attack and defense a bit more, and make a new rule that helps tanks rightfully counter assassins again, without making them unbearable to damage dealers that *aren't* burst assassins. They should honestly look into runes more too - the offensive lines have far too many defensive options.
tbh the game is just fucked bcs of meta, runes and all the new reworks/champs, riot just fucked up so hard that there is way too much dmg/sustain and shields that some champs are OP bcs of their viable dmg and some champs like Shaco are just dogshit bcs he has no overkill potential unless he is 20/0 at 15 mins
: Shaco is literally the only Assassin that really gets cucked by tabis, no other AD Assassin gets countered by it that much as shaco does, so why not just make it for range AA?
A lot of ppl hate Tabis bcs the effect is just bad designed, not even shaco players
Exin0 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=N0t even Cl0ne,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=26zZiJv8,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-27T15:34:36.429+0000) > > ahh jeeeeeeeez, my changes reward better players and WR doesn't mean anything as only OTP's play him or why did Ryze had to get reworked with negative WR? You can try out Shaco it's awful i never mention WR and there are more stats than WR in vacuum. Even if it looks like, iam not against your changes per se. Iam for deleting duskblade, iam for changing items if its needed and i am for shaco rework but iam not for doing it all. Remove dusk and buff other items but dont nerf tabis and dance, change shaco but dont change items. pick something, dont be greedy
Shaco is literally the only Assassin that really gets cucked by tabis, no other AD Assassin gets countered by it that much as shaco does, so why not just make it for range AA?
: How is shaco god awful if he's good in basically every elo above silver? Comparing him to ryze/akali doesn't make any sense at all, since akali is bad in every elo, and ryze just had his mini rework so people are relearning him They don't need to buff a champion that see's success in almost every elo besides the bottom tier, no champions are getting buffs for that
btw why would u not buff a champ for actual elo? then why did Akali get nerfed, why did irelia get nerfed, why did ryze get reworked? Riot shouldn't fucking balance around low elo, where no one cares, bcs if they would care they would search WHY their 'OP' champ isn't OP in high elo? and then they would automatically get higher elo! There is no point in balancing around Low elo where no one fucking cares, you think anyone in low elo would stop playing their favourite champs just bcs they get nerfed? NO THEY DONT CARE, THEY DONT EVEN READ PATCH NOTES MOST OF THE TIME!
: How is shaco god awful if he's good in basically every elo above silver? Comparing him to ryze/akali doesn't make any sense at all, since akali is bad in every elo, and ryze just had his mini rework so people are relearning him They don't need to buff a champion that see's success in almost every elo besides the bottom tier, no champions are getting buffs for that
so how the fuck is shaco 'succesfull' in every elo? I rly don't get it? like Shaco is above d2 one of the most cancer champs that exist, he has no damage at all and there is basically no reason to pick him over any other champ
: > [{quoted}](name=N0t even Cl0ne,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hh1cEYYZ,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-27T20:31:44.720+0000) > > SURE ITS LOW WHEN RANDOM BRONZE PPL PLAY HIM LMAO only otps in high elo???? Good argument He's only good in low elo where he loses the majority of games, but moment you're higher than plat he has a great win rate cuz he only has OTP Great story mark
I mean ur Argument is literally WR that doeanst show anything, look at ryze or akali?? Shaco is god awful as ur literally allowed to do nothing, but I rly like how ppl complain about a champ they dont wvwn know nor understand, just look at his base dmg? How thefuck should shaco be op???
: > [{quoted}](name=N0t even Cl0ne,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hh1cEYYZ,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-06-27T19:37:23.325+0000) > > Why wouldn't he need buffs? the only thing Shaco is good at is abusing low elo........ Low elo is where his win rate is the worst It goes up at higher ranks
SURE ITS LOW WHEN RANDOM BRONZE PPL PLAY HIM LMAO only otps in high elo????
: Shaco doesn't need buffs
Why wouldn't he need buffs? the only thing Shaco is good at is abusing low elo........
: Shaco has one of the most toxic kit in the entire game. Atm, his 50,41% w/r on a champ like him is TOO good if anything. First he needs to be reworked and stripped of one of the most absurdly broken skills in the entire game, THEN we can talk about his eventual performance issues.
So I get ur point of Shaco being a toxic champ because of his design, but what is with every new champ/rework? Overloaded kits, too much dmg/sustain, all the time a new ability or mechanic no one wished for and how thefuk is Shaco TOO GOOD? wow the champ is good for smurfing because it's one of many pisslow abusers, is that anything insane? NO
Rioter Comments
: I dont think a few items need to be removed in order to get the game working. I Would really like to think, True damage could be reworked so that it becomes an assassin function. So True damage doesn't become Pierce damage. But a Damage modifier. that ignore Shields and Damage reductions. So Physical damage as True damage/ Magical damage as true damage. So Lets say Dusk Blade has that. So something like Your 3 inital autos will deal true damage as physical. Shacos back stabs can deal true damage. Zeds mark can deal true damage. Or another type of item thats an utility item for assassins that disable Summoners and Actives for a short period on the first initial target.
I really like the idea of True dmg, but then they would have to change runes (revert pls), but Duskblade has to be removed so assassins have to room to be balanced around their kits and not just 1 item
JTR0N (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=N0t even Cl0ne,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=26zZiJv8,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2019-06-27T16:04:04.433+0000) > > Is this some kind of joke LUL No AP Shaco it the true Shaco. I think ur playing him wrong brother
FkValeRly (EUW)
: r/shacomains mass upvoting shitty threads and spamming the rioter that responded to their screeching lmao
nah they hate this thread for because I said triforce is troll
JTR0N (NA)
: I thought shaco was AP?
Is this some kind of joke LUL
Onuhelmut (EUNE)
: Please riot make shaco do some damage early again he is one of the worst 1v1 champs earlygame. Also make his e do more damage literaly e (main damage ability on shaco) has less base damage than khazix's leap (utility ability on khazix)
They can't make him insanely oppressive in early game bcs that was the reason why he got reworked, I just want him to be atleast good in late game
Exin0 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=N0t even Cl0ne,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=26zZiJv8,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-27T15:10:18.887+0000) > > I literally only talk abt AD Assassins and Shaco is already a pisslow abuser so that won't really change anything and riot shouldn't balance around casual players who play what is fun or what they like, they aren't OTP's or meta players. you are right they are not but they are ones paying this show you cannot just always ignore them also your changes are not directed strictly to top levels of play they hit everything from bottom to top and not only assassins or shaco alone and there is another thing when even well though changes dont have desired effect, breaking everything else while having little to non effect to desired target. And https://champion.gg/champion/Shaco/Jungle?&league=platplus what exactly is his problem? He is not performing bad by any metrics.
ahh jeeeeeeeez, my changes reward better players and WR doesn't mean anything as only OTP's play him or why did Ryze had to get reworked with negative WR? You can try out Shaco it's awful
FkValeRly (EUW)
: shaco mains circlejerk trying to get their busted champ buffed lmao
Is this some kind of joke
Exin0 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=N0t even Cl0ne,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=26zZiJv8,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-27T12:22:58.038+0000) > > with the removal of duskblade and EON changes the only lethality item people could buy is Youmuus, and I think thats kinda fine, I just think riot has to make another Assassin item. > > Btw not removing/reworking duskblade is just dumb at this point, every assassin goes and has to go it, it's obvious that Duskblade is the only reason why riot can't buff assassins bcs they would be too op with Dusk, removing dusk would lead to better gameplay, more item flexibility and would give assassins room to be buffed I dont know man i look at some tier lists and outside nidalee and ekko are assassins mainly in S, A, B tiers it looks like thei are in no need of buffs but opossite. Another thing is pubstomper effect like it or not or iam not against you or your shaco but they are inherently more toxic as lower elo you go and buffing will have trickle down effect messing even more cesspool that is now for noobs, new players and casuals. I get it your main is wreck and you dont like but this game need more urgent fixing then another assassins rework otherwise you get League of assassins.
I literally only talk abt AD Assassins and Shaco is already a pisslow abuser so that won't really change anything and riot shouldn't balance around casual players who play what is fun or what they like, they aren't OTP's or meta players.
l MrD l (NA)
: i think the maw build patch originally had dirk instead of caufield I dont like this change simply because assasins can abuse it as a rush item vs any AP mid .... the hexdrinker effect is already strong vs AP combined with dirk its too punishing which is why i believe they changed it Everything else though seems good o_O
Lower Maw MR? I thought of that too after I made the post and I start to thinking making the MR to 35 would be better
Exin0 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=N0t even Cl0ne,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=26zZiJv8,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-06-27T09:56:23.565+0000) > > That's the problem with my Suggestions, all those suggestions are around duskblade and Shaco, I can't suggest or either won't suggest changes on other assassins as I don't play those champs, Riot has to ask high elo players who play K6, Rengar, Talon, Zed, etc how to balance them then. you write that riot dont see whole picture and then you make same mistake and even admit it. Lethality items isnt something exclusively used by assasins and other champions use them not as top builds but is not uncommon (lethality mf, garen, pantheon,...) ap verions same deal, then buffing assassins survivabilty and nerf AD defense for others. Your changes will hit much more then shaco and create tons of other problems, also you cannot remove item a distribute his power budget to another core build because they hit todays full build power one item sooner with one open slot for whatever.
with the removal of duskblade and EON changes the only lethality item people could buy is Youmuus, and I think thats kinda fine, I just think riot has to make another Assassin item. Btw not removing/reworking duskblade is just dumb at this point, every assassin goes and has to go it, it's obvious that Duskblade is the only reason why riot can't buff assassins bcs they would be too op with Dusk, removing dusk would lead to better gameplay, more item flexibility and would give assassins room to be buffed
: I was going to complain about constantly getting 1st/2nd pick as a top laner, but then I realized
Antenora (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=N0t even Cl0ne,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=26zZiJv8,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-06-27T05:39:21.942+0000) > > Ninja Tabis > Ninja Tabis are one thing that makes the game completely unplayable as Shaco as your whole kit is based on AA's > Change Passive so only Ranged AA's deal 12% less damage > Armor 20 >>> 30 > > Phantom Dancer > Revert it, no one asked for something like this (??????) > If you don't want ADC's to get oneshot then nerf the damage in the game (Runes, etc) > If not just increase CD from 90s >>> 120s > Passive Shield 240 >>> 600 to 150 >>> 700 Uhm. No. We do not need to be giving indirect buffs to Assassin's. ESPECIALLY not to Zed, Talon, Rengar and Kha'Zix.
That's the problem with my Suggestions, all those suggestions are around duskblade and Shaco, I can't suggest or either won't suggest changes on other assassins as I don't play those champs, Riot has to ask high elo players who play K6, Rengar, Talon, Zed, etc how to balance them then.
MrHaZeYo (NA)
: You can't buff One (Assassin Items) and nerf the others (Anti Assassin item) Otherwise you'd throw it way off.
You have to buff other Assassin items when riot removes Duskblade......
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