Azadethe (NA)
: Does anyone feel like the new Swain is Support Viable?
He works fairly well with ADCs that have some kind of crowd control to enable his passive. Hard to say if it's good though. Also quite underwhelming towards late game.
: Is Support Aatrox viable/usable?
Yes. It's not good though. Can be useful for cheesing early fights against specific lanes.
: > [{quoted}](name=chipndip1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EuG1pApr,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-02-02T21:56:45.617+0000) > > If you level Q first, it's actually a solid poking tool. Its just underwhelming compared to most heals. First one i checked, nami's, heals for 3x as much at level one and can proc 2 heal instances and a damage proc** without being able to miss it**. I understand its a different champion with different things going on, but when comparing it alone, its the weakest heal in the game.
That's why he said it was a solid poking tool rather than a solid healing tool.
Rioter Comments
: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/featured/preseason-update/8200-8229?build=21202061 I don't play Karthus often, but this looks like it could work to his advantage. You could also replace the precision tree with Domination, and go for the cheap shot & either the eyeball collection or the ravenous hunter.
Looks pretty legit. Was gonna go inspiration as a secondary (Biscuit + CDR). Will have to test whether the 5% amp in damage is more valuable than the utility and slightly higher raw stats.
: i would rather have black market brawlers you know the mode thats 10x better and has the same mechanics
or just anything that isnt ascension, A~~R~~AM (poro king) and fucking nexus siege
Rioter Comments
Anonagon (NA)
: Three trees dedicated to damage, and no Spell DPS Keystone?
A lot of these runes benefit Karthus and the like a great deal. Just because they haven't amplified DoTs and low CD spells doesn't mean it's shitty for them lol. Karthus especially is going to do really well with some of these runes like jesus dude. Ultimate Hat will _**break**_ Karthus.
Luxeøn (EUW)
: SG skins recall
As far as I'm aware they are adding music to the recalls next patch.
: Skarner Could REALLY Use Some Love Right Now...
Rework his garbage passive. It's not fundamentally bad but it just feels awful to play Skarner outside of the respective zones.
Rioter Comments
: Has Riot completely forgotten about Skarner?
Just remove the spires and I'll play him again.
ISlushyI (EUW)
: Upcoming Azir "Rework"
They just need to shift him into more of a Battlemage IMO (in terms of sustained damage over burst). Shift damage from his Q into his W, return utility to his E.
Rioter Comments
: Why there is so much negativity about AP Zilean support ?
Zilean is a fine support. Don't let people bully you out of your best picks. I tend to just mute people who demand people pick the champs they want you to play.
Rewt (NA)
: Skarner is actually pretty decent right now. While not top tier by any means he does fit into the game ok. He needs a bit more tuning but he is close.
There were some good changes (E proccing a stun springs to mind), but the gimmicky control zones just make him rather odd to handle and inconsistent early on. The passive just needs to be redone. I really don't know what they were thinking when they added it.
Rioter Comments
: Ha you Malzahar mains want his rework reverted. Funny guys.
Skarner is a really sad case. An enjoyable, underplayed champ that didn't have a super distinct niche, so Riot decided to add shitty control zones to make him an 'objective focused' jungler. All it did was make him gimmicky and boring. The E change was good though.
: > [{quoted}](name=Neclord,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YltbiaaA,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-05-06T08:50:55.252+0000) > > Go 4/1/20 in the support role. 4/1/20 is a 24.0 kda. i demand an s just for having a kda that high. idgaf if im top supp or mid. thats fucking stupid that i have to give up game turning teamfights to farm just to get my S rank. s
You are not expected to have high farm in support. You are expected to have high farm in top.
: how the fk am i supposed to get level 6 mastery as bard
Rioter Comments
: I don't really get Rakan's high AP ratios...
I think the ratios are there to discourage building full tank. Can you imagine if his Q healing scaled with level and didn't have high AP ratios?
: ***
And how do we get to later in the game in the first place? All roles need eachother. Some more than others depending on specific factors ingame.
LuIu (EUW)
: Riot, add more supports. Please.
We have enough pure supports. This is a nice addition to the roster.
: Some Things About Support
> [{quoted}](name=TricolorStar,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4vr1TKcR,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-04-04T14:39:24.875+0000) > > Supports are the most important players on the team. Come on dude. This diatribe isn't how you change people's minds. Every role is equally important, the point of this game is to work as a unit. However, some roles will be more paramount to a team's success depending on the picks at hand. Sometimes as a support you will be a heal bot, sometimes you will be the key to winning teamfights through initiation/peel, sometimes you will be responsible for keeping the key champion of the team alive, sometimes you will be next to useless and can only contribute significantly through solid vision control. There are many niches that you will be required to fill each game. It's not always the same.
: Think about how hard it would be to code everything for every single champion like that without breaking a lot of the game.
There's no animation changes for any of the champions in that trailer. Literally just tagging the ability onto the champ. Not hard to code.
: As a support main, I'd be happy if Redemption and Locket got nerfed if...
I never understood why they reworked Banner's stats. It's such a weird item now.
: A champion with problems is worthy of a full overhaul. Take Pantheon. His kit is unique. There isn't another kit quite like it. It fulfills the specific niche that Pantheon has. However, would the game be better, if Pantheon was pretty much removed and replaced with another champ who shares his thematic elements? Yes, most definitely.
But what thematic elements does the new Galio have to the old one gameplay-wise? Very few, if any. Visually there js virtually no similar theme other than being made of stone and having wings. Pantheon is another champion that can have a few abilities tweaked + a slight visual brush up without having to invent a new personality and theme. Kit has problems, but it works. In other words, if your wheel is broken you fix it, you don't reinvent it. Riot have a habit of reinventing, which almost always works to their detriment (every jungle preseason since season 4).
MagÊ (EUW)
: Lissandra new passive HOLY SHIT
This could open her up as a support pick. Not likely, but possible.
: And it can also be argued that it did. His passive gave you damage from building tanky, something which, *cough* Vlad *cough*, has been historically unbalanced. His Q was an AOE skillshot, that did quite a bit of damage, as well as slowed for a pretty significant amount. Combined with his E, you basically couldn't run from Galio, as he'd just chase you down. And then his W gave him a massive amount of sustain, especially because you would buy a Spirit Visage. His ultimate was a massive nuke, that you disrupted if you could. Now, this doesn't sound as bad as Poppy's old kit, or Sion's, but Galio was specifically bad in any mage matchup. Yes, I get counters are a thing, but there is a difference between being a counter, and neutralizing the majority of an entire class in League. That's not healthy. For example, say I play a mage against Galio. He gets damage from building against me, then he gets even more resists from his W, so much so that I can't even contest in the lane. Considering the best MR shred item, Void Staff, puts you behind significantly, because of its high combine cost, there is basically nothing you can do as a mage. Now, what if Galio goes up against an AD character. He is instantly put at a disadvantage. His passive is useless, his W resists don't matter, thanks to the plethora of AR shreds AD champs have access to. Basically all you can do is wait out until you get your ult, then bait them under turret. That's not healthy gameplay. What I'm trying to say here, is it was unhealthy for mages to go against Galio, and unhealthy for Galio to go against AD champs. You can't make a champion who counters one class so well, without leaving a glaring weakness to another class.
So a champion with a specific niche is worthy of a full overhaul? Got it. Better get Riot on the job of reworking the entire roster. As for your other points. You're raising the notion that Galio's kit had problems. This is undeniably true; nobody is denying this. However, his kit was functional to the point where he stood out as a champion to pick for a reason, which is one of riots core tenets when tweaking champions these days. So if you have a functional kit with a clear niche, but some glaring issues (E being wonky, passive being a bit boring, W being a generally stupid ability) there's enough for a small scale rework, similar to what Ryze had. Instead, we get a new champion to take his place that currently competes with the niche Shen holds. Anti-mage theme is barely retained with some hollow MR scalings, his character has been morphed from something interesting with untapped potential to "punch stuff xDDDDD". The only abilities in his Kit that resemble old Galio is his Q and W, with the latter making the cut only because it fits the same purpose as his old ult Small gripe, but most mages do fine against a pre-rework mid Galio because being a Melee champion makes you susceptible to poke when farming.
DJ Lucio (NA)
: What about Old Poppy/Sion/Yorick mains? etc
Those champions were either non functional, a total mess, broken by design, or all of the above. Galio had a functional kit with a clear niche, it was just outdated. Can be argued that it didn't need a full overhaul.
Arakadia (NA)
: > I absolutely love how you just outright assume I'm in some kind of safety bubble and have never received any kind of verbal abuse before. I live in the real world, that's not how it works. Now to the main points you make. I'm sure you became gleeful due to my "assumption". I bet it did give you happiness, because that makes sense. And you still don't seem to be understanding or putting yourself in their shoes. > Nobody wants to see it. Nobody cares. Speak for yourself. > Using 'autist' in jest on an Internet forum is not overtly harsh and should not be taken personally. I don't think anyone is taking it personally. I think those who are upset over it are upset due to people's ignorance, insensitivity, lack of understanding, and carelessness. Being born with autism may seem like just a joke to you, but it is life changing. It doesn't matter to you, because you don't have autism. While suicide and autism are unrelated and on different levels, they do have a common theme on the internet: people have made it seem like a much smaller thing. Suicide is a horrible thing and people have made it a joke. Autistic people most likely would rather not be autistic, yet people joke about it like 12 year olds joke about penises. > I highly doubt someone who did that would be upvoted 30+ times like the post you are comparing. Those who aren't homosexual, autistic, etc. don't care about those words nearly as much. Its become so common and its a joke people throw around without second thoughts. And people care more about this posts quality than his word choice. Despite that though, his word choice and other people's word choices do matter. > If I took every use of vulgarity I saw as a personal attack I would be sorely depressed out of my mind. People who find certain slang words that apply to them specifically usually don't get upset because those words are a "personal attack". They aren't freaking out because someone used the word autist, unless that word as aimed at them as in insult. They are upset because people don't think how another person might react to how casual "autistic" has become. Try putting yourself in their shoes. Its not that you think the OP is personally attacking you. Its that something _that changed your life_ and permanently creates some form of barrier, thin or thick, between you other people is a joke to them. The OP doesn't consider that there really are autistic people. An autistic person has enough crap to deal with. I'm quite sure they don't want people using one of their birth traits as an insult. Autism suddenly becomes a much worse thing when you use it as an insult.
> I'm sure you became gleeful due to my "assumption". I bet it did give you happiness, because that makes sense. And you still don't seem to be understanding or putting yourself in their shoes. Why do I need to put myself in their shoes? I _am_ in their shoes. By their own standards _I_ should also be offended and be taking issue with this. You'll likely call me a liar because this doesn't fit with your narrative but there are people who are sensible enough to recognize how words are diluted on the Internet, and don't hold nearly as much weight as they do in the real world. > It doesn't matter to you, because you don't have autism. Nice. More assumptions. > Those who aren't homosexual, autistic, etc. don't care about those words nearly as much. Those who are, like myself for the latter, don't care either. The OP recognizes that the majority of people, autistic or otherwise, recognize the dilution of the word, recognize that they are not directly attacking autistic people and therefore do not have an issue. Using a word does not make you ignorant to issues. You are using a **_word. _** You are _not_ dismissing the issues that face people associated with that word by using it flagrantly on an internet forum. To take it in such a way is to take it personally; it is truly sad that you fail to make that distinction. Words are diluted all too often. I've reference 'literally' in another reply. The definition was changed to fit its incorrect usage. This is how language works. It's rather common for incorrectly used words to be changed to fit the more common usage. > An autistic person has enough crap to deal with. Indeed. In my personal experience I have less crap to deal with by not narcissistically making it part of my character and opening up the word to be a weapon. > Autism suddenly becomes a much worse thing when you use it as an insult. Nope. It becomes a worse thing when you _allow_ it to be insulting. You'll find the vast majority of people here are overwhelmingly understanding of mental health issues.
: Because you were taught a shitty lesson that is and was patently untrue?
That's some well thought out reasoning you have to back up your claims. Do you advocate for adults to be taught to be more fragile than three year olds?
Arakadia (NA)
: > Why should anyone care if someone is offended by a word? Oh I dunno. Maybe its just thoughtfulness. > They're not suited to open dialogue if they cannot handle a word being used in conversation, especially in jest. Maybe you'd understand if you had to deal with these things. I'm sure some homosexuals don't like being called a %%%got, even if **you** consider it a joke. > I was taught "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me" when I was three years old. Why in adulthood does that lesson no longer apply? That lesson doesn't apply always. Thats just an excuse for your harsh language. Words carry weight and your ignorance of other's thoughts and feelings is ridiculous.
I absolutely love how you just outright assume I'm in some kind of safety bubble and have never received any kind of verbal abuse before. I live in the real world, that's not how it works. Now to the main points you make. What does "I'm offended about a word you used" have to do with the person's thoughts on the topics of threads about Ghostcrawler? That's right, zilch. Nobody wants to see it. Nobody cares. The lesson doesn't apply always, correct. Thankfully we're in a specific condition where it does apply. Using 'autist' in jest on an Internet forum is not overtly harsh and should not be taken personally. Your attempt to spin it as otherwise, especially to compare it to approaching someone who is homosexual and saying blatantly and plainly: "you're a %%%got", is rather odd, and a poor attempt at strengthening your position. I highly doubt someone who did that would be upvoted 30+ times like the post you are comparing. It would be wise for you not to misconstrue blatant abuse with minor vulgarity. Treating them as the same thing would be dangerous to say the least. If I took every use of vulgarity I saw as a personal attack I would be sorely depressed out of my mind. It would certainly drive me insane.
Arakadia (NA)
: Its a pretty crude joke that _is_ offensive to certain people.
Why should anyone care if someone is offended by a word? They're not suited to open dialogue if they cannot handle a word being used in conversation, especially in jest. I was taught "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me" when I was three years old. Why in adulthood does that lesson no longer apply?
: > [{quoted}](name=Neclord,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=W6uTQG0i,comment-id=00020000000100010000,timestamp=2017-03-11T13:57:16.318+0000) > > You're going to have a sad life if you take every off-hand comment personally. I can not take everything personally yet still find it stupid, pointless and saying they shouldn't do that, it's like replaving ''autist'' in that sentence with black and see hwo far that gets you
So "it's insulting to me as someone who does have autism" isn't taking it personally? Lots of words get used in the wrong way buddy. Prime example: Literally - Now includes the meaning of 'acknowledging that something is not literally true but used for emphasis or to express strong feeling', simply because people used it, wrongly, in that regard. Language evolves over time, usually because it gets used incorrectly. Do you honestly believe that he refers to you and others like you when he used the word autist? Most people recognize to not think of it as an actual autistic person, they recognize the word has been diluted.
: > [{quoted}](name=Limrick,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=W6uTQG0i,comment-id=000200000001,timestamp=2017-03-11T09:01:49.683+0000) > > Get over it, it's a joke, nobody is actually attacking you. clearly it's not a joke when people are starting to use autism as an actual insult.
You're going to have a sad life if you take every off-hand comment personally.
abdul569 (EUW)
: For the next time URF, could we remove the AR part but instead have this instead:
Make it an open pick where we can see what the opponent is picking. That way if I see my opponents have locked Zed, Shaco, and Evelynn I can pick the same bullshit in response.
Dynikus (NA)
: half second cd on Q with % health damage is bad now?
One ok ability for URF makes them good compared to everyone else? The thread title asks who the worst champion is, not who a bad champion is. The bar can start high.
Paquay (NA)
: Who is the worst URF champ?
Kindred without question
Tomosima (EUNE)
: Which pre reworked champion do you miss the most?
Skarner without question. Adding dominion to his kit killed him for me.
: Does Riot plan on creating Supports with higher mastery curves?
No mention of Shen yet, rather surprised.
: maybe we should just revert the shen rework?
Mastery 7 Shen here. I like the rework. I'll admit that it's rather polarising, his Q can be flimsy at times. But it's solid to play overall (I play him support more than top though). Getting your head around energy management is incredibly important if you want to have success with him, moreso than pre rework.
S0kaX (EUNE)
: Is Bard the hardest support to get S with?
Ivern support is the hardest to get an S with ngl.
Zerenza (NA)
: Ivern was the last support champion, riot did comment that two supports would be released pretty close to eachother so after Camille expect a support. Also yes he was designed to be a support but the thing is that we didn't have any support JG that were good anymore so they created ivern to try and solidify a support jungler and yes you can play him in both roles but most people who play him bot support don't know how to build him which was the main issue on his release, no one knew how to build him.
Do you play Ivern as support? I've been experimenting and trying to find the right build myself, was curious as to what you built on him.
Resnik (NA)
: When are we getting another support champ?
I'm a support main and I've played a solid amount of Ivern as a support in preparation for the next ranked season (currently mastery 6 if that means anything). I'm not quite sure whether it's super strong yet, but I have found a decent amount of success with him. I'll lay out some of the strong points for him being in the bot lane for those that are unconvinced he can be played there. Strengths (support specific): - Is free to run runic affinity because of his ability to share buffs; Ivern with red buff can be very oppressive in lane. - Vision manipulation with his W is very good for blocking wards in the tri from seeing the river to enable ganks effortlessly. It can also be used to prevent/delay your adc from being auto'd in 2v2s. - Ivern's E is a low cooldown shield with a relatively low mana cost. If the explosion afterwards kills a minion or champion, the kill (and gold) will be given to the person the shield is on. This means you can throw these out quite often without worry of stealing kills or CS. - Ivern's Q has incredibly good range and can enable ganks from your jungler, particularly if they lack a gap closer. - Daisy will allow you to win any 2v2 at level 6. Period. She's also very solid in teamfights if ignored, but can get melted pretty quickly if you elect to go for a low AP build. - Roaming gives you more to do as you can steal enemy jungle camps with your passive. And, for balance, Weaknesses (support specific): - Poor ability to leash (can't attack camps) - Isn't very proactive until level 3 - Minimal hard CC and below average early game until level 6 - Low damage mid-late unless built as AP TL;DR: Ivern has some design choices that lead me to believe that Riot considered him for the bot lane; I've run it myself and had a good amount of success. Don't overlook him as a potential pick for that role.
: He can be played support but he wasn't made as a support. I'd love a new support
Blitz was designed for top lane but sees play as a support. Your point?
: Supports need some means of catching up when behind
Personally I'm glad they removed the mastery. All it did was promote babysitting your ADC in a 2v0 lane. The support meta right now very much rewards proactive support players/champions. You get your levels/gold back by roaming and making stuff happen outside of bot lane. This is particularly important if you're behind because it will pull the enemy support away from bot and give your ADC some peace and quiet (+ some juicy solo xp). Nail down the core principles of roaming as support (mostly just when/where to roam but also includes knowing deep ward spots to plan that out); you will find you will be more on par with your ADC in terms of level even after a rough laning phase.
: Riot, why no S for my awesome Taric game?
Mastery 7 Taric here. You need a K/D/A similar to that at about 20 minutes as opposed to 34. Your total kill participation needs to be higher too. Orianna was part of 29/45 of your team's kills. You were part of 23/25. 64% participation compared to 51% participation is the clincher here. You'll rarely get S- and above with a kill participation below 60%.
: Support Mastery Grades
I have the same problem as a Bard main. It's just the mastery system in general for supports tbh.
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