: Today i was called a "Thresh god" by an ally
downvoted by support mains feelsbadman
: I'm actually going to be legit toxic to *anyone* that talks about mage supports in a positive way on these boards. These boards were whining and complaining about mage supports, and how "real supports aren't being played", for WAY TOO LONG just a few months ago for you guys to change up like this now. Personally, I hope mage supports are never meta again, making Zyra useless and Brand unable to be a flex pick anymore. All that bellyaching still grates me.
I wasnt complaining that they were played tho, I was complaining that they were op hehe
: > [{quoted}](name=Tormentula,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Eo9hKFZV,comment-id=0002000000010000,timestamp=2017-09-19T17:05:29.271+0000) > > Its post like these that make nobody take what you say seriously lol > ok dude let me take ALL THIS TIME to see what your comment > [{quoted}](name=Tormentula,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Eo9hKFZV,comment-id=0002000000010000,timestamp=2017-09-19T17:05:29.271+0000) > > You act like being ~~masters for a short time because darius bot lane and mordekaiser~~ diamond 1 gives you the privileged to shit talk everybody on the boards did i ever shittalk malicious metal? did i ever shittalk ralanr? no i fucking didn't, there are respectable people on the board that do not post bullshit and i don't have anything against them and then, i won't name shame but there are people that ACTUALLY deserve my wrath **this dude above you tries to tell me what takes skill and what doesn't when he plays sion with ghost redemption trinity force and other shitty itemization then complains about sion being weak when sion has 52% win rate** so i'm sorry, but don't come and talk to me about skill when you can't play the game > [{quoted}](name=Tormentula,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Eo9hKFZV,comment-id=0002000000010000,timestamp=2017-09-19T17:05:29.271+0000) > > when half the stuff you say isn't even relevant or of much concern to the average playerbase, only in "masters which you're not in yet" so? that doesn't mean i'm wrong it just means i'm right on things that you do not encounter but low elo catch ups 3 months later just like ivern lulu tristana all those picks that i said were broken but no one cared except 3 months later
: The game is so much more enjoyable when there aren't any enchanters played
tank supports? nah mage supports? ye, i need something to kill as assassin hehe
: Tough Design Decisions made for Azir in 7.19
{{champion:105}} next pls {{sticker:sg-ahri-2}}
: Correction to the previous correction of the previous post: We just need more dash stoppers
Because? Mobile assassins are too strong and immobile adcs do nothing? hehe
: #TLDR: Marksman are strong right now because literally everything in the meta favors them right now. **Tanks are still strong as crap on their own** Who counters tanks? ADCs. So having tanks being strong correlates with ADCs being strong naturally. Tanks now have bramble, stoneplate, locket, and many more appealing options to choose from. **Supports are probably the strongest role right now** Their itemization options are borderline disgustingly good. {{item:3504}} {{item:3800}} {{item:3109}} {{item:3076}} {{item:3190}} {{item:3193}} etc. How could ADCs NOT thrive in this situation? Supports are too good at their job right now, nd its getting out of hand. **Some assassins arent that good right now** Seriously. Lebalnc is up for her rework, AD Assassins are being held back by Duskblade, Diana is still in a weird spot, and so on. Some assassins could use a bit of help so the assassin class can overall do a bit better. ALTHOUGH, nerfing tanks and supports may fix this issue too. **Divers and skirmishers are being completely outclassed by tanks** Seriously. Why pick Irelia or Vi when you can just pick sejuani. Sej can lock you down for ages and still proceed to chunk you hard, and if they build RG and bramble, its really hard to outclass. #In my opinion, we are not in a direct ADC meta, we are in a hardcore tank and support meta, where they make it almost impossible to kill the adc. Nerfing these two will indirectly buff assassins and indirectly nerf ADCs. *Also as a Caitlyn main, Shiv is a disgusting item*
I think tanks and supports are the main problems, but adcs also have one balance problem. {{item:3031}} {{item:3087}}
Jbels (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Penns,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EfqhLNuH,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-09-18T20:09:57.482+0000) > > but.. isnt that a buff compared to live.. xd > > i mean idk what it gives at around level 8 but with 20-40, its gotta be more than the current 25 > > hm Oh yeah, it's a buff. The onhit healing was removed, but now the item gives double the attack speed and double the onhit damage basically. Meanwhile, the extra attack speed makes up for the onhit life drain due to the fact that more attack speed means more lifesteal. So yeah, this is a giant fucking buff.
O I didnt know the healing got removed. Kind of debatable then since you dont have (much) life steal early. But.. I dunno
: W hp cost refunded if used on an allied champion
tf.. morde is probably the champ i know least, at some point after the rework and the 4th change i stopped caring if he can self cast his w or if he still gets like 100% exp or 76.47% or whatever because no one played him hehe
Jbels (NA)
: ...
but.. isnt that a buff compared to live?.. xd i mean idk what it gives at around level 8 but with 20-40, its gotta be more than the current 25 hm
: as a Mordekaiser main i need to ask this: why nerf Morde tho? yeah he can buy the item now, but that's still a nerf as he would have one less item at lvl 1 i don't see the need of removing it from Morde, You don't remove lifesteal from Olaf W because he buys blade of the ruined king, same with AD steroids ect... Mordekaiser would just have even more XP compared to other melees If you remove it buff his W back please :/
-i see morde heal 50% of his hp with w -i wonder what you want to buff back? its damage or passive or something? o
: Wouldn't now be the best time to bring assassins back ?
: you walk to people xd
oh shit.. thats almost as good as level 3 yi ganks hehe
: base armor from 22 to 25 now he won't end up with 100 hp after clearing chickens+2 buffs i tried it and he ends up at like 55% hp which is enough to do a gank
But how do u gank with rengar lal
: bruh
Still more than udyr and volibear combined hehe maybe im on my phone a d too lazy to check lul
: 1.4% pickrate, that's what it is.
: The assassins on this board like to claim they should be able to enter a 5 man team, kill their most valuable member, and escape. They should not. They also like to think that if they are alone with an enemy squishy they should win automatically. They should not.
Yes they should "if there is an opportunity". The problem is that there is never an opportunity because items like Locket and Janna shield/ult are used to react to the assassis xd
Shåwn (NA)
: Just some things going on in the game right now regarding ADC
: The game the boards actually want to play is Rock, Paper, Scissors - they don't like League
nah i should be able to kill the adc as assassin without getting assassinated by their crits first hehe
: Can adcs have some counterplay other than "beat them before X items"?
: LeBlanc is strong but her identity is fucked up, and this is why LB players feel so bad about the rework. I don't even want a revert, I just want them to remove the bullshit waveclear and give her somehow a scaling burst window instead of the base 1.5s that doesn't allow you to duel a mid game ADC. I mean, did you really enjoy playing tank Fizz? I think he was boring as fuck to play as and it wasn't "really" Fizz. That's how I feel about LB. Right now I'm playing a mage when I used to play an assassin... it's just weird.
"Assassins" are a noob trap at this point anyway. So many champs will oneshot you but assassins that have almost nothing except damage and mobility? No way, thats unhealthy. But sadly "many people" (as in, adc and support mains) are happy with the state of assassins, so they are fine as garbage class that lost its fantasy and identity.
: galio mid is his intended primary role lol.
He is a tank, tanks back off of my lane {{sticker:sg-ezreal}}
: Well, LB got a bigger update and what she got is... waveclear and a delay. Trust me, and be happy that he wasn't one of the big reworks. He could end up being a melee waveclear mage.
Well at least LB was, and still is, very strong after her rework. I understand the problems assassin players have with her rework of course, but the only way Fizz has been really viable after his rework was when people played him as tank/fighter top (which the W change was supposed to fix..), before his W base damage got gutted hard. And Im pretty sure Fizz was planned to be the 5th big update, but then it got scrapped (but not really). His rework was nowhere near the scale of the Ekko or Zed "updates". So basically (I could be wrong here but thats how it seems to me), it was even more "half-assed" because they still used ideas from his big update but didnt put as much time into it.
Landorin (NA)
: Hi Meddler, In the tester Q&A this patch, one of the play testers mentioned that he thought some of the assassin reworks made them significantly less fun to play (he was talking about Fizz specifically, but was being somewhat general), and that he hoped they could be revisited. Is there any hope of a pass at injecting better skill expression and flexibility into some of those assassins that got reworked as part of the update? It sucks when your favorite champion had a bunch of problems introduced to their kit by a rework, but isn't on anybody's radar because they have a 50% win rate and aren't played in competitive.
We are forgotten {{sticker:sg-soraka}} And Fizz only got a "small" update so no one cares about it feelsbadman
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: September 15
>making galio a bit stronger overall pls no at least also kill galio mid ty
: that way he doesn't have an insane mobility he used to have low cd E that made him impossible to kill as well as roaming riot increased the cd and then reduced the cd if he hit a champion
: Hey Meddler if one thing people hate it's to not be able to play the game
never quite understood why gragas e shud have 3 seconds cooldown xd
: > [{quoted}](name=Penns,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vxxHKx45,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-09-14T20:15:09.780+0000) > > 6 . Fizz shud be buffed hehe Yeah definitely! What do you think should be buffed? I think they should make the hitbox on his ultimate bigger! and maybe lower the cooldown on troll pole, or increase it's duration!
all of the above sounds good 2 me
: Unpopular Opinions
6 . Fizz shud be buffed hehe
: Wonder why diversity is none existant in your game riot?
>why be squichy with dmg when you can be a tank with dmg?? -galio mid heh
Frozne (NA)
: if thats the reason then why not revert the ult duration nerf from 6.11 since now it has a clear weakness and it just on its own separate from his kit is lack luster for using it defensively now
Azir got nerfed a bit in todays pbe patch so... not sure about that tbh.
: To be honest, I agree with you. I was a big Fizz player (well most assassins) and I really don't play him anymore (or most of the assassins in the rework) because I flat out feel we made the class less fun. We were so caught up on making them fair to play against that we broke the thing that made them... them. My hope is that one day we will revisit it, but a lot of people are happy with the state of assassins(mainly playing against wins) so I do not see it happening on the horizon. As for getting your voice heard, bringing up arguments on threads is usually your best bet. Things like Meddler's daily thoughts would be a good place to start. Sorry I can't be more helpful here.
I mean.. Id be happy with the state of tanks if they were not viable as well because they counter the champs I like playing :/ Welp, thanks for at least clearing some things up. Maybe preseason will change something about the issue or.. maybe the new Eve will be a fun assassin. At least I likely wouldnt have to worry about wards.
gregab (NA)
: You have to basic attack marked targets to get the heal.
Oh shit wait.. I just realized Stoneborn works like that too, I always thought you just need to do damage lol
gregab (NA)
: Runes Corner: Three More Resolve Runes
Does Font of Life have an internal cooldown or does a dot with corrupting potion = hp rain?
Eedat (NA)
: A Challenge
id rek u but im on eubest hehe
: I think one of the main things I learned after working on Fizz is the importance of having several different combos you can do on assassins. If he ever comes up again I will probably stress this as a big point. Him feeling very binary makes him easier to play against however, it means he does not feel very smart or tricky which takes away from the fantasy. I would love to work with a designer on him again, but currently I doubt we will take anything major up soon.
Hm.. unfortunate. Is E cooldown reduction (at max rank this time) back to 8 still not an option either, maybe along with nerfs to other stuff that isnt E damage (at least not to minions because he needs wave clear)? Because I feel like that alone could give him some more options and room to make plays until then. Also one more question: Do you guys think Fizz is fine design and/or balance wise atm?
: lol holy fuck dudes, these Cait and Janna changes
seems like the same direction as gnar, if you get on her bully azz, you shud be able to fite her.
: Nothing planned right now. Got any ideas?
No specific ideas, but more dps to make him not feel like an ult-oneshot bot, more reliability and skill expression would be fun. It would be ok for other champs but when I play the "Tidal Trickster" Id like to have a bit more tricks and combos to learn than "hit R - use all buttons without dodging anything with E because its also your main damage tool" (since you max it first).
: Patch Chat with the Playtest Team - 7.18
When will that fizz rework or revert drop? {{sticker:sg-lulu}}
: Being able to outplay something 1v1 should not be the golden standard of counterplay
vayne would be fine if she didnt assassinate faster than almost any assassin cant wait for next patches hehe
: ya infinite dmg hehe, just like ursa, so it would be 20-40-60 etc and if he ults that gets multiplied, up to double damage and it also spreads around to people {{champion:106}} {{item:3124}} opieop incoming
sounds gud then both new op plush things shall be reworked https://images.dotesports.com/thumbor/lARXS9mY5oO7b_6PzHFTGboZJVE=/1200x0/filters:no_upscale()/https://dm6jf9380nk1h.cloudfront.net/article/97ef6112-a257-4bc9-a15b-351642e281c5.png hehe
: do you like my rework for bear man, there's lots and lots to play around hehe very healthy primo rework imo
u know my ult is a projectile so.. hehe i like it tho, but wat do u mean with "stacking infinitely", does he first do 20 then 40 and so on bonus damage? opieop lel
: > [{quoted}](name=Penns,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fQ6Arys4,comment-id=0000000000000001,timestamp=2017-09-13T18:46:34.792+0000) > > > also i think having teamplay as counterplay is fine, but it shouldnt be your only counterplay as long as your laning phase is fine it's fine even if you don't have counterplay in 1v1 because most of the game is decided through 5v5, not 1v1 also: -i never said no to a fizz revert -yes he should be reverted one of the world's piece of shit rework
idk, it can be balanced but i think its more fun if there is something you can outplay or play around for example you can play around all of fioras spells except E and maybe Q, doesnt mean i can kill her 1v1 as fizz tho. (prolly bad example because fiora still isnt fun hehe) meanwhile champs like jax or trynda are like.. i never want them to be meta because they just right click you xd
: i read everything and this is how a melee should be reworked, though let me add something, his Q bonus ms needs to stop once he meets a champion like glory. give some nice skill ceilling idea, without giving a fuck about 1v1 counterplay because this game is 5v5 not 1v1 totally different from this garbage xin rework counterplay goes beyond 1v1 outplaying, this game is a fcking 5v5. Reason why Darius got reworked is because his laning phase had no way to lose, which is why morde is being reworked again revert olaf xin skarner rework
>revert fizz rework ftfy {{sticker:sg-syndra}} also i think having teamplay as counterplay is fine, but it shouldnt be your only counterplay
: If AP gets GA, than AD gets Zhonya's. There's a reason they made the item AD in the update
{{item:3156}} {{item:3139}} {{item:3812}} {{item:3034}} they said an ap ga wasnt very appealing because zhonyas exists, so i dont see a problem, just add it hehe
Eedat (NA)
: The amount of bias on this board is reaching critical mass
idc if adcs are a part of the game, i care when they 1v1 me as assassin and crit me for 700 dmg with their 2 items late game {{item:3031}} {{item:3087}} xd
: We don't necessarily need drastic changes to AP items, we just need more of them
I want AP {{item:3026}} at least 1 item for ap assassins that is as strong as duskblade/counters shields {{item:3135}} to split into 2+ more interesting items like Last Whisper {{item:3157}} {{item:3100}} {{item:3089}} buffs maybe {{item:3165}} {{item:3151}} {{item:3027}} nerfs ty
Jbels (NA)
: Yeah, I'm not going to lie. This Xin Zhao update is weak as hell. Functionally, it looks the exact same, just with an AOE cone added to the old kit, and a new "bullshit" mechanic added to the ult. You know what I mean by "bullshit". It's a mechanic tacked on to an ability that sounds super strong, but in actuality, changes very little for the champion's viability. The slow is nice I guess.
He basically has the same kit just with an extra spell and a broken effect on ult. Doesnt seem that weak to me lul
: Janna getting a 1350 skin, star guardian line featuring mostly bot lane champions and..
i wish they milked omega squad {{champion:105}} but i guess {{champion:29}} and {{champion:18}} were enough hehe
Abibyama (EUW)
: Oh boy I can't wait for AD fizz to come back
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