: Dude, the game is "marksmen before everything". Just stop playing SR until this shit is over and Rito stop sucking this dick's class
lead gameplay producer mains support, meddler mains support sorry :] xd
: "Currently most champions are tied into one position."
The problem is that picks like Lulu mid or Fizz top only worked because they were overpowered
Juice (EUNE)
: So if a tank can 100>0 a squishy, WHILE having a safe laning phase, low cooldowns, tons of CC and different roles they can partake depending on the course the particular match being played is taking (peel, engage, disengage, soak damage, cc the important targets etc etc), what is the point of taking Fighter and a Bruiser? Champions who for the most part ONLY have their damage and RELY on snowballing their lane, but can't due to the fact that tanks are unkillable 1v1 while also being able to trade exact same amounts of damage back to the fighter/bruiser? So you have these 5-dimensional teamfight Gods with a safe laning phase AND you have the 1-dimensional "kill carry or bust" fighters, who do you pick?
: > [{quoted}](name=Penns,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JuVzcBOu,comment-id=000500020000000000000000000200000000,timestamp=2018-01-23T06:24:39.626+0000) > > He had almost 3 items, shud be enough for an adc 3 Items vs a full build adc with 2 level lead, on no planet should a kha 2 lvls down with less than half the gold value win that.
This mentality is why assassins are garbage except junglers that spam gank m8
: > [{quoted}](name=Penns,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JuVzcBOu,comment-id=0005000200000000000000000002,timestamp=2018-01-23T05:13:53.340+0000) > > They have a support for a reason, according to me they shouldnt tank and 1v1 an assassin like that without any actual defensive item. When theyre thousands of gold ahead and the strongest champ in said game, yea they should. By your logic I should be able to run down bot 200000 times and then 1v1 the full build adc on 1 item
He had almost 3 items, shud be enough for an adc
Orreos (NA)
: Is there any hope for Sona players?
Bad for like a month in a preseason after being broken with Ardent - "is there any hope for sona players?" lel
: > [{quoted}](name=Penns,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JuVzcBOu,comment-id=00050002000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-22T22:44:08.641+0000) > > He literally lost 1/3 of his actual HP. Why does being fed matter when he just builds damage? > 2 levels so 160 hp and 7 armor more.. alright still wouldnt have died lel. So according to you adc shouldn't be a viable role to carry games lol.
They have a support for a reason, according to me they shouldnt tank and 1v1 an assassin like that without any actual defensive item.
: > [{quoted}](name=Penns,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JuVzcBOu,comment-id=000500020000,timestamp=2018-01-22T22:28:26.644+0000) > > What is missing in Khas combo, 100 damage E? lel > > but I guess the fed adc bought ninja tabi so he should only lose 1/3 of his HP from a full isolated Kha combo XD! {{sticker:sg-ezreal}} Didn't use e, didn't use ult, only used q/aa once each lol. Its actually hilarious that people are so delusional they think adc is op because a draven didn't get 1 shot by a khazix that was probably about 3k gold behind.
He literally lost 1/3 of his actual HP. Why does being fed matter when he just builds damage? 2 levels so 160 hp and 7 armor more.. alright still wouldnt have died lel.
: > [{quoted}](name=Penns,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JuVzcBOu,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-01-22T10:57:27.750+0000) > > Im on my phone and too stupid to make it a time link thing so go to 9:55 and tell me if they are too safe hehe https://youtu.be/bIb4FLDWz08 Kha Zix used aa - q -w on a massively fed draven with ninja tabi. If you think that shows marksmen being safe you're high in no world should a champ that fed lose to an underfed jungler that doesn't even land their entire combo.
What is missing in Khas combo, 100 damage E? lel but I guess the fed adc bought ninja tabi so he should only lose 1/3 of his HP from a full isolated Kha combo XD! {{sticker:sg-ezreal}}
: jhin had 48% win rate please stop tho u were right and u got downvoted sorry for ya friend
Ryze and Azir still have a lower win rate than that tho {{sticker:sg-poppy}}
: jhin wasn't op ezreal was op the entire preseason
both were opie tho Comet lethality Jhin (and Varus and MF) + some other Comet dude like Xerath or an all in tank was the shit in preseason until double Relic became a thing and ezreal + kalista as per usual lel
: Riot should be ashamed that they are letting adcs dominate for so long.
: Let's get straight to the point
I remember when {{champion:202}} {{champion:21}} {{champion:119}} were opie around preseason but everything changed when the cancer nation attacked {{champion:96}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:18}} {{item:3302}}https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/4/46/Fleet_Footwork_rune.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/55?cb=20171126182047 xd
Lufist (NA)
: ***
He makes that statement with Azir and Ryze being right above him, so.. eh hehe
: Anyone else feel like they're going through the motions waiting for the game to feel like LoL again?
kargish (EUW)
: 15/5 Draven surviving some burst damage? That seems almost impossible to believe.
Ikr, considering all the heavy defensive items he got that make him give up a ton of damage in order to survive his counter in a 1v1 :]
: Are marksmen becoming too safe?
Im on my phone and too stupid to make it a time link thing so go to 9:55 and tell me if they are too safe hehe https://youtu.be/bIb4FLDWz08
: fizz is fine people just dont want to work to get value out of him when you can get the same value easier on poke mages. Volibear is actually bad and his value isnt about what you do but what the enemy allows you to do.
>value isnt about what you do but what the enemy allows you to do. Thats literally fizz as well tho. Just that he has more cc than Volibear so he is more useful
WrÆth (NA)
: What is the counterplay to Nasus
"theres a lot of counterplay to nasus" - meddler But old Fizz man, really unhealthy :]
You USELESS (EUNE)
: top lane is the most punishing lane for playing out of meta champions
i remember playing Fizz vs Ryze lmao instantly got zoned hehe
: Does anybody else have all their friends never log on anymore?
no because i am that friend that doesnt log in anymore lel revert fizz 2k18
: make it a morgana black shield don't give 100% magical immunity, but like a scaling magical damage shield that lasts 3 seconds and gives cc immunity for the duration
If it replaces Hexdrinkner/Maw Im in {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: yea reduce it to 3 seconds or something
Idk if it would be balanced even then tbh. Negating Syndra ult, Fizz ult and stuff with an offensive item. If they ever do it I think they would at least give it a delay like {{item:3814}}
TylerBrah (EUW)
: If Vayne is so easy and OP.....
Adc main spotted hehe
: i don't really care about blink dagger at this point of the game tbh but i do care about BKB tenacity is garbage and it doesn't even have gameplay because it's permanent BKB is more effective and has gameplay built in it you need a good reaction time to BKB in time, because you can't use it while being cc'ed you need to use it on the right moment the right timing it's way more skilled than tenacity
Ye but league items are garbage compared to dota so youd have to nerf it a lot. 100% magic damage reduction + cc immunity for 10 seconds lel also another item to fuck fizz over because delays :[
: quotting maple nectar: > [{quoted}](name=Maple Nectar,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LTMxGH15,comment-id=0003000200000001,timestamp=2018-01-21T00:16:07.274+0000) > > Definitely agree with the short list. Some of the other things that we need to make sure are that they can contribute to objectives (turrets, dragon etc) meaningfully in early/mid game, _**as well as scale up adequately with game length**_ so that you're not gimping yourself if you take a melee bot into a ranged bot and lose when the game gets to 30 because they're able to take objectives faster. These are all just things on very long lists of problems we'll need to solve for it, but I'm excited. See, Melees already scale well with game length Mordekaiser is able to kill a 8k hp cho in 4 sec in late game (malicious feel free to post your gif) as fast as a 6 slots vayne in late game Thing is Melees are **unreliable** it's rare for them to dish out all of their damage in teamfight unlike marksmen So Riot announced that they would introduce items to make compositions without marksmen working and i can only think about 2 items http://i.imgur.com/1v8JBdH.png https://i.ytimg.com/vi/4jm81wAd7dk/hqdefault.jpg i'm sorry but what else? Melees are as reliable as ranged in dota2 because of blink dagger and black king bar Now Now Riot might have other ideas of items to make melees more reliable, but feel free to tell me what kind of items can make melees more reliable other than: -a blink -cc immunity for a very short duration i feel like {{champion:23}} {{champion:11}} would be op with it, but they need a rework in the first place so they should not hold the balance of melees in hostage
But unlike adcs, melee champs need counterplay so they wouldnt make blink dagger :)
: Regarding the newest Riot Video
they should make bot an assassin role since they arent allowed to be played mid tbh :]
: Definitely agree with the short list. Some of the other things that we need to make sure are that they can contribute to objectives (turrets, dragon etc) meaningfully in early/mid game, as well as scale up adequately with game length so that you're not gimping yourself if you take a melee bot into a ranged bot and lose when the game gets to 30 because they're able to take objectives faster. These are all just things on very long lists of problems we'll need to solve for it, but I'm excited. Oh also, to your reply to me from a few days ago regarding nuanced decision making. This is one of the things that I didn't want to talk about then before this video, but this is one of the things that goes pretty hard in that regard (and that we're pretty excited about if we can do it). Taking a non traditional bot lane changes the way your entire team comp forms, the items you and your teammates buy, how you rotate around the map and all that jazz. I'll agree with your statement that at present there's certain aspects of it that are lacking, but as we investigate new runes and some of this meta breaking stuff I think we're going to get to a state that this is far more of a reality. Here's hoping it goes well.
> This is one of the things that I didn't want to talk about then before this video do you also not want to talk about fizz because you will revert him soon? :] or do you just hate him :[ hehe
: > [{quoted}](name=ShadowbladeTalon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LTMxGH15,comment-id=00030002000500000000,timestamp=2018-01-21T01:36:51.166+0000) > > Abused by tanks and bruisers, you're welcome. Assassins are weak right now {{champion:238}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:28}} {{champion:107}} {{champion:84}} I would not call any of these weak. {{champion:91}} {{champion:103}} I'll give you these two. As for "Bruisers abuse it" {{champion:59}} {{champion:102}} are Junglers and that's because Dusk blade is busted as hell especially combined with thunder bolt. {{champion:58}} has all the durability of wet paper if he builds that way.
>I would not call any of these weak i would, except even because of a support item and rengar lel
: i dont even know what you are saying or getting at
: {{sticker:sg-lux-2}} wut???
: The Lack of good magic resist item choices this season is Horrible for bruisers and some tanks
Lovesick (OCE)
: Buff my %%%%% Volibear. He's been dead on sites like op.gg for almost a year now.
only if you revert my %%%%% fizz, hes been dead for over a year now :[
: Best video by the team I've seen, she just needs to slow down a tiny bit.
and she needs to announce a fizz revert tbh
: > [{quoted}](name=Penns,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=upiERsW7,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-01-20T10:06:34.868+0000) > > Hashinshins whole life is a rant tho lel > > I dont really want to listen to that for almost 2 hours tbh. So far they (he) only complained about "bruisers", but tanks are top laners too. If tanks are op, I wonder why top lane is bad? {{summoner:1}} They discuss the issues with why tanks are OP and bruisers aren't faring as well as them very clearly in one between him, ICU, Wickd, Adrian Riven, and Dekar.
Yeah but I dont see how you get from that to "top lane is bad" when tanks are overpowered. Maybe it feels bad because tanks arent fun for you, but mid lane isnt a bad role either just because mages have been better than assassins since forever lel
: Ideas and suggestions for mid season?
> class updates are done they could fix class updates in mid season before doing new stuff {{champion:105}} {{item:3070}} :]
: What is Riot to lazy or just ignoring champs that need nerfing
Theyre also ignoring champs that need reverting {{champion:105}} {{item:3070}}
: Is it me, or does it feel shitty to play an assassin now?
now as in for the last like 3 years, yes hehe mid lane assassins, that is :]
: GOOD NEWS bruiser keystone is coming confirmed by riot :3
bbQsauçe (EUW)
: -1 for EXTREME bias... You know assassins are GARBAGE in this meta... FREE STOPWATCH AS A RUNE is a thing.. EXHAUST is a thing... ARMOR is a thing... You can't just rush morello and DEMAND to survive an assassin's burst... "rushing zhonyas cripples you" BETTER THAN RUNNING IT DOWN MID CUZ YOU DIDN'T BUY ARMOR AIN'T IT CUH? There's a reason no one in high elo is picking assassin's right now, they're pretty bad in this stopwatch, relic shield ASS GARBAGE META
No, bruisers are weak except Camille and Illaoi and Jax and Fiora and in soloq Riven Rengar and Kled, assassins are fine hehe
GigglesO (NA)
: I found out in another thread today...
I found out in another thread yesterday that meddler thinks nasus has enough counterplay but pre rework fizz didnt :]]] xd
: Upvote this if you're not an INDEPENDENT Laner and you need ganks to win Lane
no i only cri at night because i didnt get a fizz revert ;[
: So? Yasuo is doing good with a good keystone (flee footwork) if he goes for an other good keystone there won't be any change of power
Well it depends on how much you would buff it. More damage seems more oppressive than a heal to me.
: nerf yasuo who doesn't take press the attack sounds good
: Press the attack needs to be buffed for melee champions
>if you're a melee champion you're literally exposing yourself to little reward for a long time i mean goddamn it reminds me of a 2 second delayed mark hehe I wouldnt mind a melee buff to it but ya gotta nerf {{champion:102}} and maybe {{champion:240}} {{champion:157}} then Also Draven goes Aery/Klepto for de AD
: > [{quoted}](name=ShaolinToilet,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=upiERsW7,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2018-01-20T11:23:00.939+0000) > > Cause if Jax is weak top Lane is shit didn't you know that A top lane where Jax is weak.. is a top lane where only tanks and poke are viable. Also where else do you want bruisers/fighters/divers to go? Mid? Support? The vast majority of their jungle clears are downright awful leaving them too weak to be impactful early. If you don't want Fighters/Bruisers/Divers top then make them better in jungle. IE ones that aren't Yi/Xin while don't see play top anyway. Hell when is the last time you even saw an Irelia? I'd have to pull up a Youtube video just to remember what she looks like.
Good thing Jax isnt weak then {{sticker:sg-ezreal}}
: Cause if Jax is weak top Lane is shit didn't you know that
now it all makes sense heh
Sparkle (NA)
: Oh yeah. Just today I got carried wicked hard by a tilt-proof team in a 50+ minute game. I was Nami and I was feeding really hard, just getting picked in places I should not have been (but trying to get vision out so I would stop getting picked and it was like...a vicious cycle). Our Ziggs stole 2 barons for us. My duo partner stayed chill after I made the lane hard by feeding 4 kills to Tristana. We had a Nasus. Skarner isolated the people we needed at the end. And here's little 'ol me like "hey thanks guys sorry I am bad!". Like, sometimes you have an off game. It's okay to admit that and be carried. You can't always be the hero. EDIT: Also, my team deserved to win that one. Just not me personally haha
Imo its also okay to admit that the fizz rework should be reverted {{sticker:vlad-salute}}
: AND THIS friends is why Aurelion NEEDS some love when full on MELEE
or he can press W earlier or hit his ult hehe
: At level 9 with maxed Q, E->Q from Zoe can deal up to 737.5 + 245% AP magic damage.
at level 9, Zoe still has no actual ultimate ability lel
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