Rioter Comments
Sukishoo (NA)
: Dark Star will never happen on him though as he is a Celestial style being, and Dark Star / Cosmic are to bring that concept to characters that aren't already. Hence why if you look at the skinline you'll see things like Thresh, Varus, Xin, Ashe...they are in no why a Cosmic beings in the main story. So when people keep trying to push for stuff like Xerath who is an Ascended Mage or Sol who is a creator of the universe, they aren't going to give that skin theme to champions like them as they already have something similar in their base.
> [{quoted}](name=Sukishoo,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=PAEEsOvZ,comment-id=000e000000000001,timestamp=2019-09-15T23:10:32.861+0000) > > Dark Star will never happen on him though as he is a Celestial style being, and Dark Star / Cosmic are to bring that concept to characters that aren't already. Hence why if you look at the skinline you'll see things like Thresh, Varus, Xin, Ashe...they are in no why a Cosmic beings in the main story. So when people keep trying to push for stuff like Xerath who is an Ascended Mage or Sol who is a creator of the universe, they aren't going to give that skin theme to champions like them as they already have something similar in their base. how does that even make sense, when Guardian of the Sands is literally the same celestial being, but with an armor made of jade and gold. Also, there are tons of concept i kept posting over and over
Shahamut (NA)
: Also, where is part 2? XD
> [{quoted}](name=Shahamut,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lYKOe7J3,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-09-15T17:50:39.070+0000) > > Also, where is part 2? XD Oh there is a part 2, but i'll let part 1 to settle first =) About trundle, we already got our temporary spire buff on skarner E, which is a pretty good tool. Idk, probably they worked on something skarner related under the covers, but either nothing worthy of notice came up yet, or all that work got translated into the spire buff we got awhile ago. We don't know =[ After all skarner came up on some discussions between balance team, but i don't think it's enough popular between riot's HQ for them to know precisely what to do
: With Xerath its not so much about popularity. Its more of a "how can we make this skin not look like a chroma" issue. And if they're willing to make skins for the dumpster fires that are Udyr and Zilean, they're willing to make one for Xerath.
> [{quoted}](name=4 Step Cadence,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=PAEEsOvZ,comment-id=000e0000,timestamp=2019-09-15T12:55:25.454+0000) > > With Xerath its not so much about popularity. Its more of a "how can we make this skin not look like a chroma" issue. Allow me but that problem has been covered by the dark star concept, and alot more.
Sukishoo (NA)
: I like how everyone assumes it was Ivern/Sol when she clearly says "I wasn't making 6 figures at the time" she had been working there for 6 years, so if she was making less than six figures at the time of this skin then it had to be something older.
> [{quoted}](name=Sukishoo,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=PAEEsOvZ,comment-id=000000050000,timestamp=2019-09-15T13:42:51.113+0000) > > I like how everyone assumes it was Ivern/Sol when she clearly says "I wasn't making 6 figures at the time" she had been working there for 6 years, so if she was making less than six figures at the time of this skin then it had to be something older. i'm afraid to suggest battlecast alpha skarner
: Ex-Rioter Stellari on the Divide between Unpopular and Popular skin sales
Conclusion? Is it right for me to wait potentially 5 years or more for a xerath skin? Because i hardly see xerath getting more popular than he is, unless changes around him will massively favour him, since i wouldn't count on him getting a rework/buffed prior to his skin
: How would a passive giving him his attack and move speed burst for 5 seconds upon doing damage to any large monster, epic monster, tower, inhibitor, or champion who has dealt damage to one of those in the last 5 seconds work? I think it still shoehorn him into the jungle because it won't proc in lane unless you are at a turret (your's or thier's). And it would give him the passive even if the enemy is attempting to zone him from baron or dragon as long as he could hit any of them instead. It would allow Skarner to be really useful in counter siege as well as proccing it and sniping a carry would be easier than it currently is. Unsure about aram though.... As the objectives on that map are much more sparse.... Could still work though.
> [{quoted}](name=PermaJinxed,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lYKOe7J3,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-15T04:11:27.252+0000) > > How would a passive giving him his attack and move speed burst for 5 seconds upon doing damage to any large monster, epic monster, tower, inhibitor, or champion who has dealt damage to one of those in the last 5 seconds work? > > I think it still shoehorn him into the jungle because it won't proc in lane unless you are at a turret (your's or thier's). And it would give him the passive even if the enemy is attempting to zone him from baron or dragon as long as he could hit any of them instead. It would allow Skarner to be really useful in counter siege as well as proccing it and sniping a carry would be easier than it currently is. > > Unsure about aram though.... As the objectives on that map are much more sparse.... Could still work though. It's good on his own, it gives a way to stick, and to fare once it's there. i think it could be more tho: it's just more than the Rage passive on trinity force.
: I hope my post ages well, I just posted a story emotionally talking about what someone did to me, talked about stuff I have been through with them. Posted it on Reddit aswell, so far it hasn't gotten any notices on here.
> [{quoted}](name=14daysuspensionk,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lYKOe7J3,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-09-14T22:02:42.649+0000) > > I hope my post ages well, I just posted a story emotionally talking about what someone did to me, talked about stuff I have been through with them. Posted it on Reddit aswell, so far it hasn't gotten any notices on here. I really hope you'll get better soon, but are you sure that gameplay boards is the right place to discuss about personal stuff?
: Skarner should have his own trinket, so that he can place his own spires. Placed spires will act like wards until their expiration time, be able to be controlled by either team, and give him his aoe buff when owned (3 seconds after placing, can't just have him place one mid fight and instawin). This allows Skarner to strategically play in either lanes or jungle. After this change, adjust numbers as necessary. Also, potentially allowing his spires to have a limited time stealth detection after placement, or giving him the option for red ward effect with a max of 2 spires, green ward with the max of 3 spires, or blue ward with 2 spire max.
> [{quoted}](name=Thresh Outta Fux,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lYKOe7J3,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-14T18:40:37.725+0000) > > Skarner should have his own trinket, so that he can place his own spires. > > Placed spires will act like wards until their expiration time, be able to be controlled by either team, and give him his aoe buff when owned (3 seconds after placing, can't just have him place one mid fight and instawin). This allows Skarner to strategically play in either lanes or jungle. > > After this change, adjust numbers as necessary. > > Also, potentially allowing his spires to have a limited time stealth detection after placement, or giving him the option for red ward effect with a max of 2 spires, green ward with the max of 3 spires, or blue ward with 2 spire max. I've already heard of this concept awhile ago, and i'm not a fan of it. Plant stuff on the ground is not a skarner thing. Especially if it's going to be the same flawed concept taking an item slot. I want a passive that stays on skarner without gimmicks.
Rioter Comments
: i get a strong feeling that "LC$" people have never watched pro play, or haven't watched it since S3
{{champion:72}} is not flashy tho, and it's the first year he gets this popular. It's ironic that he gets picked only as a tanky cc bot, when the rework was supposed to give him other options
: Just look at those Riven buffs on PBE. Lmao
Also Riot: "Skins are never related to balance changes" lol
Rodsquad (EUW)
: What Ezreal Tier reworks do you want?
{{champion:101}} exploring ways to update his particle model could turn great, with the standard achieved this year
Shahamut (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Predatorator,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AeT3vTp0,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2019-09-06T20:37:02.062+0000) > > Not surprised at all, it's been like this for years. Its just sad because this thread got more attention and had more GOOD conversation in it than my gameplay+ post about his spires. That was over a year ago, and, if you recall, got a response from a rioter saying he was being looked at for a "xin zhoa" level rework where removing the spire passive was the leading idea. That when someone got the project, they were going to pass that thread along. We have heard nothing since then. In fact, since then, the only change that has happened was the spire radius "buff"... I know that you are aware of all this, but recounting it just felt right atm. Still, I can't help but hope that something changes soon. {{champion:72}} "I miss my kind..."
> [{quoted}](name=Shahamut,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AeT3vTp0,comment-id=000800000000,timestamp=2019-09-06T20:48:03.681+0000) > > Its just sad because this thread got more attention and had more GOOD conversation in it than my gameplay+ post about his spires. That was over a year ago, and, if you recall, got a response from a rioter saying he was being looked at for a "xin zhoa" level rework where removing the spire passive was the leading idea. That when someone got the project, they were going to pass that thread along. We have heard nothing since then. In fact, since then, the only change that has happened was the spire radius "buff"... > > I know that you are aware of all this, but recounting it just felt right atm. Still, I can't help but hope that something changes soon. > > {{champion:72}} "I miss my kind..." Changes will happen, it just sucks that we don't know nothing else
Wen294 (EUW)
: I don't really remember when they removed the heal. I just know i stopped playing him after they removed it. (then again i only played him as a mid-laner building ap/bruiser)
> [{quoted}](name=Wen294,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AeT3vTp0,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-07T08:47:03.895+0000) > > I don't really remember when they removed the heal. I just know i stopped playing him after they removed it. > (then again i only played him as a mid-laner building ap/bruiser) Apart from the tragic First rework, i didn't feel like i lost much with crystal venom skarner not having a heal. Ah yes, laning with him was real fun, i remember when sometimes i played him top, and a few times i enjoyed him mid against assassins
Shahamut (NA)
: Im bummed man, that thread had almost 20k views, 70+ upvotes and over 100 comments of conversation. And we got zero attention from Riot... Today makes a week.
> [{quoted}](name=Shahamut,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AeT3vTp0,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-09-06T19:52:21.861+0000) > > Im bummed man, that thread had almost 20k views, 70+ upvotes and over 100 comments of conversation. And we got zero attention from Riot... Today makes a week. Not surprised at all, it's been like this for years.
Shahamut (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Predatorator,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AeT3vTp0,comment-id=0003000100020000,timestamp=2019-09-05T22:31:14.911+0000) > > Imagine kindred being able to cast his R only on specific zones in the jungle, and shen having his W buffs only in certain lane zones. > > I mean, we could add Qyiana on the list too, but walls and elements are allover the map anyways More like, imagine if every time you took one of kindred's marked camps (or executed yourself while marked) Kindred lost a stack. THEN imagine we nerf most of her kit, to SUPER buff her passive...
> [{quoted}](name=Shahamut,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AeT3vTp0,comment-id=00030001000200000000,timestamp=2019-09-06T19:51:16.268+0000) > > More like, imagine if every time you took one of kindred's marked camps (or executed yourself while marked) Kindred lost a stack. THEN imagine we nerf most of her kit, to SUPER buff her passive... That sounds more like old cho'gath R. It was just to give an idea =p
Wen294 (EUW)
: A heal on his E, in a similar way to how the stun on his E works now. (and it used to retain it's missile speed no matter how many things were hit)
> [{quoted}](name=Wen294,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AeT3vTp0,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-09-06T11:21:35.674+0000) > > A heal on his E, in a similar way to how the stun on his E works now. (and it used to retain it's missile speed no matter how many things were hit) The heal was gone already since his first rework, and then it was reproposed for crystal venom skarner during a survey: we got to deicde between the stinger to deal true damage and heal for its amount, or to stun and deal bonus damage. The stun won, and i think it's fine, as it gives skarner something to fallback if behind. Sure the heal on old E would not be that bad, especially in lane, that was also when skarner got his permaslow on Q. Without the stun skarner would lack most means to stick to his target. stuns also help him to better deal the ever increasing with mobile champs, and works as utlity. he got already good sustain from his shield, and synergizes well with conq and some lifesteal items are niche on him
: IM A Skarner main. He. Needs. A. Full. Rework. To have some mechanics other than flash ult.
> [{quoted}](name=Hillary Chillton,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AeT3vTp0,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-09-06T07:44:40.837+0000) > > IM A Skarner main. He. Needs. A. Full. Rework. To have some mechanics other than flash ult. He does. However he never gets mentioned so it's hard to guess an ETA for that. Especially since next releases will be 3 new champs, voli and fiddle vgus....So that's why a minor gameplay update (*cough*revert*cough*) would be optimal
: > [{quoted}](name=General Esdeath ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AeT3vTp0,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-09-05T05:19:07.068+0000) > > So does {{champion:266}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:10}} {{champion:517}} {{champion:23}} {{champion:142}} but we're still changing them Full rework doesn't solve anything when the design team churns out even worse kits. {{champion:266}} This guy is already a full rework that didn't solve anything, not to mention didn't need to rework in the first place.
> [{quoted}](name=Statchecky,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AeT3vTp0,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-09-06T04:48:42.472+0000) > > Full rework doesn't solve anything when the design team churns out even worse kits. > > {{champion:266}} This guy is already a full rework that didn't solve anything, not to mention didn't need to rework in the first place. You're right, aatrox, irelia, akali, and others went through infinte balance cycles even after their vgus, but we got familiar with riot messing up skarner's kit (looking at first and last rework). So i'll take the risk, i can't possibily think of much other ways to make him worse. If they nail it however, we may finally get the skarner that got us promised in the original champion spotlight
Shahamut (NA)
: I think this thread deserves more comments. Lets keep Skarner topics on the front page. Boom!
> [{quoted}](name=Shahamut,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AeT3vTp0,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-09-06T03:34:55.519+0000) > > I think this thread deserves more comments. Lets keep Skarner topics on the front page. Boom! Hey look somehow it worked lol
: Annie Should NOT Get Mobility.
imagine the fun if they'll give an ms boost to xerath lol
Shahamut (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Predatorator,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AeT3vTp0,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-09-05T22:42:24.172+0000) > > Bazerka's a Recruiter, i wouldn't expect from him to comment on champion balance, apart of his own perception on the matter. > Actually, what itches me is how Meddler keeps replying the same "artist busy/sorry nothing else to add" to the same "where's wukong rework" on every Quick Gameplay Thoughts ever since the rework got announced. > > Meanwhile no comment on skarner. I'd love to get a "nothing to share atm" answer just so i know he noticed at least. Since we got our update on skarner's rework some months later the jugg update, stating it was a failure and they were working on it. but nothing meaningful since then Only thing Im asking is if he knows whether or not anyone has seen the thread XD Im not even asking his opinion XD EDIT: Also, are you on the Skarner Main's discord?
> [{quoted}](name=Shahamut,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AeT3vTp0,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2019-09-05T22:53:58.802+0000) > > Only thing Im asking is if he knows whether or not anyone has seen the thread XD Im not even asking his opinion XD I wouldn't count on it anyways since it's skarner related :p > EDIT: Also, are you on the Skarner Main's discord? Didn't know there was one, how do i find it?
Shahamut (NA)
: You know what else is interesting? We (the skarner community) had a thread with almost 20k views, 70+ upvotes and well over 120 comments worth of conversation and Riot hasn't even acknowledged us. Sad days my friends. I have even gone as far as to comment in Berserka's threads of him chatting with people during his "lunchbreaks" just to ask if anyone at riot has seen the thread. He has yet to reply to me.
> [{quoted}](name=Shahamut,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AeT3vTp0,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-09-05T21:54:17.994+0000) > > You know what else is interesting? We (the skarner community) had a thread with almost 20k views, 70+ upvotes and well over 120 comments worth of conversation and Riot hasn't even acknowledged us. Sad days my friends. > > I have even gone as far as to comment in Berserka's threads of him chatting with people during his "lunchbreaks" just to ask if anyone at riot has seen the thread. He has yet to reply to me. Bazerka's a Recruiter, i wouldn't expect from him to comment on champion balance, apart of his own perception on the matter. Actually, what itches me is how Meddler keeps replying the same "artist busy/sorry nothing else to add" to the same "where's wukong rework" on every Quick Gameplay Thoughts ever since the rework got announced. Meanwhile no comment on skarner. I'd love to get a "nothing to share atm" answer just so i know he noticed at least. Since we got our update on skarner's rework some months later the jugg update, stating it was a failure and they were working on it. but nothing meaningful since then
: > [{quoted}](name=GinoSoldier,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AeT3vTp0,comment-id=00030001,timestamp=2019-09-05T13:03:30.864+0000) > > Playing devil's advocate here, but you can't deny his spires are unique. Maybe not well designed, but they ARE the only mechanic of its kind on the rift. They are not. There are a lot of champions with zone buffs, like: {{champion:75}} 's E, {{champion:48}} 's W, {{champion:203}} 's ult, {{champion:164}} 's ult, {{champion:98}} 's W... Unlike Skarner, they can decide where the buff is going to be, and they have actual agency over it. Skarner has neither of those, and nothing in compensation. It looks more like a unique FLAW for me...
> [{quoted}](name=FrancisMuni,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AeT3vTp0,comment-id=000300010002,timestamp=2019-09-05T20:22:41.598+0000) > > They are not. There are a lot of champions with zone buffs, like: {{champion:75}} 's E, {{champion:48}} 's W, {{champion:203}} 's ult, {{champion:164}} 's ult, {{champion:98}} 's W... > > Unlike Skarner, they can decide where the buff is going to be, and they have actual agency over it. Skarner has neither of those, and nothing in compensation. It looks more like a unique FLAW for me... Imagine kindred being able to cast his R only on specific zones in the jungle, and shen having his W buffs only in certain lane zones. I mean, we could add Qyiana on the list too, but walls and elements are allover the map anyways
Shahamut (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Predatorator,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AeT3vTp0,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-09-05T13:48:37.403+0000) > > Looks weird to me to pick on the eternal quest but...whatever i'll support it :p I attack any and all things involving the garbage spire passive
> [{quoted}](name=Shahamut,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AeT3vTp0,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-09-05T13:51:11.459+0000) > > I attack any and all things involving the garbage spire passive Lol well said
: > [{quoted}](name=OhBilly,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AeT3vTp0,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-09-05T08:14:28.259+0000) > > I really liked pre-rework Skarner, and found it hard to play him in his current state. > > Its not that he's bad- he is just dull, and worst of all- I can't really say he's over bearing, unlike some of the top meta picks that can do whatever they want due to design flaws. > > Riot's philosophy with Skarner was, basically, 'lets remove what made him unique and fun, and just slap some CC on him', which is lazy. Playing devil's advocate here, but you can't deny his spires are unique. Maybe not well designed, but they ARE the only mechanic of its kind on the rift.
> [{quoted}](name=GinoSoldier,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AeT3vTp0,comment-id=00030001,timestamp=2019-09-05T13:03:30.864+0000) > > Playing devil's advocate here, but you can't deny his spires are unique. Maybe not well designed, but they ARE the only mechanic of its kind on the rift. I agree that they're unique, infact i'm lowkey interested in them being fleshed out more. They added another layer of gameplay to skarner, and bring huge buffs to him. But their execution is terrible and i'd gladly take them away in favor of something that doesn't punish me for going lane, or getting behind.
Shahamut (NA)
: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/MjrsLTba-eternals-feedback-thread-set-1-uniques?comment=0054 Me saying NO to Skarner unique eternals involving spires... PLS go support!
> [{quoted}](name=Shahamut,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AeT3vTp0,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-09-04T22:56:09.710+0000) > > https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/MjrsLTba-eternals-feedback-thread-set-1-uniques?comment=0054 > > Me saying NO to Skarner unique eternals involving spires... PLS go support! Looks weird to me to pick on the eternal quest but...whatever i'll support it :p
OhBilly (EUNE)
: I really liked pre-rework Skarner, and found it hard to play him in his current state. Its not that he's bad- he is just dull, and worst of all- I can't really say he's over bearing, unlike some of the top meta picks that can do whatever they want due to design flaws. Riot's philosophy with Skarner was, basically, 'lets remove what made him unique and fun, and just slap some CC on him', which is lazy.
> [{quoted}](name=OhBilly,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AeT3vTp0,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-09-05T08:14:28.259+0000) > > I really liked pre-rework Skarner, and found it hard to play him in his current state. > > Its not that he's bad- he is just dull, and worst of all- I can't really say he's over bearing, unlike some of the top meta picks that can do whatever they want due to design flaws. I agree, at higher level of plays, a good skarner will never have the options a good lee sin/jarvan/insert meta pick have, other than statcheck them and/or sitting on the spires (which well, speaks for itself), and thus he's forced to provide cc to the rest of the team. Also the recent trend of giving everyonee some kind of mobility/cc kinda gimps him. > Riot's philosophy with Skarner was, basically, 'lets remove what made him unique and fun, and just slap some CC on him', which is lazy. The problem was that were was no real effort in reworking skarner. Good things we got out of that rework are: W scaling with max health R giving bonus ms E being overloaded (Baiting people with spires?) At the cost of Q is meaningless sheen proc (but building tank is the most efficient way so sheen is not always guaranteed to be built) W lost base value You're bottlenecked into the jungle Lost base ms You're more feast/famine than ever (have fun clearing superminions in the base/not being able to control your spires) I probably forgot something but What makes him unique was his ult. The rework wanted to give him more options, besides farm until ult, but here we are again, farming until ult.
: No he needs a full rework and should be left alone until then.
> [{quoted}](name=boricCentaur1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AeT3vTp0,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-09-04T22:50:27.240+0000) > > No he needs a full rework and should be left alone until then. Allow me to disagree. Malph Is in line for a vgu, and so shaco Is. But one got a gameplay update which helped him, and the latter Is about to get a revert. Skarner vgu is going to be in distant future since we have 3 new Champions and two vgus that will be released, which are voli and fiddle. These'll take up a good chunck of next year
Shahamut (NA)
: I am 100% in support of this idea! XD
> [{quoted}](name=Shahamut,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AeT3vTp0,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-04T22:48:51.771+0000) > > I am 100% in support of this idea! XD I couldn't tell haha :p
Rioter Comments
PuIse (NA)
: his rework. the worst part about E was Scruffy made you stand still to shoot felt soooo bad
> [{quoted}](name=PuIse,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KYwQGVPX,comment-id=002300000000,timestamp=2019-09-03T19:24:42.943+0000) > > his rework. the worst part about E was Scruffy made you stand still to shoot felt soooo bad "This helps to differentiate skilled Skarners from the less skilled ones." Imagine being serious while thinking that
: im saying that it doesn't matter what version it is, old or new, its still point blank AoE dmg, nothing special about it. If W or E were more interesting i wouldn't care that Q were kinda boring (ramp up on the dmg/ms or not), but ALL of his abilities are pretty boring, except how the ult is used. and Riot has this bad history of giving non-humans kits that aren't very exciting. Yuumi continues this trend. Sol, Anivia, and Rek'sai might have the MOST exciting non-human kits (Rek being the most exciting), and thats saying something. For some reason they always mess up the non-humans and only 3 of them are exciting to play. If all they had to do was take the ramp up AS/MS out of Q to take all the meaning out of it; Then it wasn't worth being called a meaningful ability in the 1st place. I want Skarner to be fun to play so at least 2 of his basic abilities need to not be boring
> [{quoted}](name=FlameHalbrdOkido,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KYwQGVPX,comment-id=0010000000000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-02T23:00:07.092+0000) > > im saying that it doesn't matter what version it is, old or new, its still point blank AoE dmg, nothing special about it. If W or E were more interesting i wouldn't care that Q were kinda boring (ramp up on the dmg/ms or not), but ALL of his abilities are pretty boring, except how the ult is used. Allow me to disagree, but i have to remakr the fact tha pre jugg Q was not just point blank AoE, it gave a ramping ms/as buff that made longer fights to be interesting, and gave the ability to apply the stun from the passive. It's also worth to note that it had a base damage value, and the reset from aa was 1 second flat per aa (live is 0.25 from aa'ing monsters, 1sec form aa'ing champs). It's more adequate as a skill than what we got live rn, allowed for more build diversity, and complimented better with what skarner is. To make a comparison, unborrowed Rek'Sai Q is just a 3 cast AoE damage too, but has good scalings, and contributes to the fantasy of the character, infact you're telling me rek'sai is your most exciting champion, among non humans. So from a revert prespective, this is the best choice. Moving on, can Q be more exciting? Sure, but that would involve an upper level of effort, so it'll be harder to make. Most popular option(and best to me) would be to make Q into a 3 cast ability, with the first 2 casts being Skarner swinging his claws outward and inward, impairing and damaging the enemies; third cast is skarner striking with his stinger. > and Riot has this bad history of giving non-humans kits that aren't very exciting. Yuumi continues this trend. Sol, Anivia, and Rek'sai might have the MOST exciting non-human kits (Rek being the most exciting), and thats saying something. For some reason they always mess up the non-humans and only 3 of them are exciting to play. I'm more fascinated into non human champs too, but probably to the people at riot is easier to design human-like champions (is easier overall, and kinda boring to me) > If all they had to do was take the ramp up AS/MS out of Q to take all the meaning out of it; Then it wasn't worth being called a meaningful ability in the 1st place. I want Skarner to be fun to play so at least 2 of his basic abilities need to not be boring Live E is a pretty exciting ability, problem is that to make it so they sucked all the power form Q. And probably would have to be changed in case of a revert. W was one of the very few things that turned out good of the jugg rework. The toal hp scaling was requested for so long...pity we lost the base value for it =/. From the looks of it, i would assume by "exciting" you mean "mechanically intense". I understand it, Skarner has never been mechanically intense, but he never needed, and adding new mechanics /reworking skills into something entirely new is something i can see being done in his vgu, but not for a short term solution as a revert or mini gu would be
PuIse (NA)
: As a S2 Skarner main Riotscruffy will never let Skarner be good again he hates him and i still remember playing against him when he started at riot wasn't long before he took everything from him. The burrow idea he gave to rek'sai yea i remember LINK TO THE PAST ME ARGUING [http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4272804&page=18#post45100947]
> [{quoted}](name=PuIse,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KYwQGVPX,comment-id=0023,timestamp=2019-09-02T23:10:56.171+0000) > > As a S2 Skarner main Riotscruffy will never let Skarner be good again he hates him and i still remember playing against him when he started at riot wasn't long before he took everything from him. The burrow idea he gave to rek'sai yea i remember > LINK TO THE PAST ME ARGUING > [http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4272804&page=18#post45100947] i remember the dark days when scruffy first reworked skarner, and only gave him a slow on his E. he got no way to stick to targets, and IBG was mandatory until he finally got the crystal venom passive. Edit, oh god and the speed bonus from W ramping up, was that from his rework or from the jugg rework?
Shahamut (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=FlameHalbrdOkido,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KYwQGVPX,comment-id=001300000000,timestamp=2019-09-02T18:57:59.370+0000) > > id play him top if the Spires were removed I played him top from silver 3 this season to my first time in plat, peaking plat 2. Its miserable XD, but I just love this champion too much.
> [{quoted}](name=Shahamut,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KYwQGVPX,comment-id=0013000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-02T19:02:26.464+0000) > > I played him top from silver 3 this season to my first time in plat, peaking plat 2. Its miserable XD, but I just love this champion too much. i used to play him top back when he still got the crystal venom passive. it was interactive and fun. and i felt like i actually got a passive to use in lane =p
: sure its meaningful but its still just an application of Simple point blank AoE dmg. Sej got her Simple point blank AoE DoT W changed for a reason.
> [{quoted}](name=FlameHalbrdOkido,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KYwQGVPX,comment-id=00100000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-02T20:53:40.580+0000) > > sure its meaningful but its still just an application of Simple point blank AoE dmg. Sej got her Simple point blank AoE DoT W changed for a reason. that was my point too. they took all the meaning of skarner Q, and put it into E and passive. now Q is just sheen procs
: they gave Sej a more engaging Passive W and E and that also strengthened the base kit, and weakened her R in compensation. They gave Skarner a convoluted, complex passive, and then nothing else, he remained un-engaging. Skarner was passable at best, he was still boring b4 the update, and now is MORE so.
> [{quoted}](name=FlameHalbrdOkido,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KYwQGVPX,comment-id=001000000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-09-02T19:45:51.449+0000) > > they gave Sej a more engaging Passive W and E and that also strengthened the base kit, and weakened her R in compensation. > > They gave Skarner a convoluted, complex passive, and then nothing else, he remained un-engaging. Skarner was passable at best, he was still boring b4 the update, and now is MORE so. Also his Q previously was meaningful, giving a ramping ms/as bonus. Now all the power got shifted to the passive, and to E, making Q Just a sheen proc
: LOL they needed to give him a more engaging kit, he's an ULT bot, and worse off than Sej in that regard bc his kit is SO simple, they went in all the wrong directions with him. He needed a full VGU he shouldn't have been in the group update...man they even reverted Morde kinda b4 his own VGU, why can't they do SKarner?
> [{quoted}](name=FlameHalbrdOkido,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KYwQGVPX,comment-id=0010000000000001,timestamp=2019-09-02T18:54:11.338+0000) > > LOL they needed to give him a more engaging kit, he's an ULT bot, and worse off than Sej in that regard bc his kit is SO simple, they went in all the wrong directions with him. He needed a full VGU he shouldn't have been in the group update...man they even reverted Morde kinda b4 his own VGU, why can't they do SKarner? At least sejuani has more meaningful parts of his kit than skarner got, from my perspective at least. He was completely fine ibefore the jugg update, the spires were such a mess the only way they're remotely viable was to give them 160% as, 70ms, and massive mana regen at lvl18.
Shahamut (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Predatorator,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KYwQGVPX,comment-id=0010,timestamp=2019-09-01T07:54:40.419+0000) > > It boggles my mind, there have been requests of reverting skarner ever since the jugg update happened, riot stated he's tier 1 candidate for a vgu a year or 2 ago, and then nothing, not even a bit of "we're discussing about him". > > However i'm sure a big part of the reason is that he's been picked alot in proplay lately, to be built as a tanky cc-bot. > > Edit: also the rework you proposed earlier was really good, but a revert would require much less resources Thanks! His existence in the pro scene just makes me so sad... the Skarner of today just isn't the Skarner so many of us fell in love with... he is boring to watch in pro play as well. Too predictable.
> [{quoted}](name=Shahamut,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KYwQGVPX,comment-id=00100000,timestamp=2019-09-01T15:59:17.711+0000) > > Thanks! > > His existence in the pro scene just makes me so sad... the Skarner of today just isn't the Skarner so many of us fell in love with... he is boring to watch in pro play as well. Too predictable. It's ironic: One of the points for the jugg update was to give skarner something else to do while his ult Is on cd. Now more than ever he's just picked only to ult people
Shahamut (NA)
: What Skarner mains REALLY want...
It boggles my mind, there have been requests of reverting skarner ever since the jugg update happened, riot stated he's tier 1 candidate for a vgu a year or 2 ago, and then nothing, not even a bit of "we're discussing about him". However i'm sure a big part of the reason is that he's been picked alot in proplay lately, to be built as a tanky cc-bot. Edit: also the rework you proposed earlier was really good, but a revert would require much less resources
Moody P (NA)
: The Skarner rework wasn't for Skarner players. It was for the rest of us.
> [{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KYwQGVPX,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-31T21:05:34.635+0000) > > The Skarner rework wasn't for Skarner players. It was for the rest of us. Hey look, a bate
mark6028 (EUW)
: Riot "we don't force metas" Gems at it again
inb4 riot bois defending their precious
Rioter Comments
: there may be hope for skarner, hes been getting some heavy pick/ban in NA finals
> [{quoted}](name=Kahl Drogo98,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=I9EucWbU,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-08-25T06:32:52.466+0000) > > there may be hope for skarner, hes been getting some heavy pick/ban in NA finals I really hope so, i'm actually happy he's getting attention from esports without being op. i also see him picked in lec and lck sometimes. but overall i've never seen skarner being picked this much like this year. so that for sure will draw attention to him. but i don't know if the small playerbase outside of competitive will be a problem
Reav3 (NA)
: We will definitely be doing another devblog on Voli/Fiddle this year
> [{quoted}](name=Reav3,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=JsmKpOUA,comment-id=0000000100020000000000010000,timestamp=2019-08-23T18:46:17.161+0000) > > We will definitely be doing another devblog on Voli/Fiddle this year will there be also champions that will get a vgu regardless of the polls? also is skarner still tier 1? thank you!
: [GAMEPLAY] Riven's Q With 100% Consistency Fails to Deal Damage
Imagine this getting the same treatment as the animation cancel lol
: It's funny that Xerath was ignored so long too considering he still sees play Skarner is Skarner, so no one is surprised
indeed, he has always been balanced ever since his rework, has an affectionate playerbase, and from time to time he gets popular.
Kazekiba (NA)
: Come up with a Xerath skin that isn't just a Chroma. Keep in mind Riot refuses to make skins that aren't $12 minimum, but this doesn't mean it has to be a *GOOD* Skin and in fact, probably wont be. > 1600 days without skins, events or being decently playable Kalista or Skarner were both meta even in Solo Q early this year and Skarner is a strong champion right this very patch. Xerath is also pretty much sleeper status, depending on the enemy comps. He's far and above the other siege mid laner, Ziggs, and with the recent lux nerfs (though theyre buffing her shield) Xer is somewhat more useful than ever.
there's a fan concept for dark star xerath floating in the boards for years, with the main post having at least 200 upvotes. for starters. also some time ago i posted some ideas for a xerath skin: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/fErnmvBi-apparently-finding-ideas-to-make-skins-for-xerath-is-hard?comment=000000000000 so there are plenty of xerath skins ideas that don't look like a chroma. Edit: here's the dark star xerath original post: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/JAgAUXGU-skin-idea-dark-star-xerath?show=flat
Sukishoo (NA)
: Nope. Orrn hasn't had a skin since his release, and for the other two Esports skins are not PERMANETE STORE SKINS and are not chosen by Riot.
ornn was released just two years ago. more than 2 years since skarner and xerath got their last skins. as for the esports skins, they're still well rounded skins. also human champs are getting more skins this year, so i wouldn't panic as much. star guardian event is around the corner. or maybe they'll get a world skin because i would not expect skarner nor xerath to be picked in world finals, for how much i hope it happens
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