Rioter Comments
: This is the End.
I love how Riot promised toning down the damage further in 9.4, but there's still nothing in sight in that regard on the PBE. I feel you. I used to love this game with all my heart. Ever since pre-season 8, it is nothing but a frustrating oneshot fiesta.
: IMO 9.2 made the game pacing so much better & was a good patch overall.
Yes, it is a step in the right direction. HOWEVER, damage is insanely high still and I hope Riot will keep their promise of toning it down.
: Alright folks, this is going to be a big one; Let's talk ALL the current Tier 1 VGU priority champs
When I first started reading this post, I actually downvoted it in an instant, because I really like Shyvana and don't want her to look like dragon Illaoi. As I kept on reading however, I fell in love with your ideas and the way you describe crappy current kits (Udyr = walking auto attack) and the actual potential of certain champs (Pantheon's gladius and starlight spear, Cho'Gath transformation through game progress not just being about size) was incredibly creative and inspiring! You gave Riot a complete manual to work with over the next five years to be honest. Amumu, Blitzcrank, Jax, Veigar and Zilean need at least a visual update as well, in my opinion. Just don't turn dragon gal into a bodybuilder though please; she has some impressive bulk on her current splash art already.
: Sorry. I've played all of them, and early game their move speed buffs are trivial, just like hers. Udyr for example needs to rush {{item:3009}} to actually have a relevant move speed on Bear Stance. He also has mana issues early game, which makes spamming Q/W/E expensive and starving. His Bear is about equal to Shyvana's W on move speed early game. About equal to Nocturne's move speed. All these champs require you to get close enough to a champion to use any of their gap closers. Xin can't Challenge someone without being close. If Trundle Pillar's you, you're really really bad.
> [{quoted}](name=Illabethe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bVsnNGZw,comment-id=0000000000000000000000040000,timestamp=2019-01-24T21:02:21.444+0000) > > Sorry. I've played all of them, and early game their move speed buffs are trivial, just like hers. Udyr for example needs to rush {{item:3009}} to actually have a relevant move speed on Bear Stance. He also has mana issues early game, which makes spamming Q/W/E expensive and starving. His Bear is about equal to Shyvana's W on move speed early game. About equal to Nocturne's move speed. > > All these champs require you to get close enough to a champion to use any of their gap closers. Xin can't Challenge someone without being close. If Trundle Pillar's you, you're really really bad. Your posts are weird and illogical. Mana starvation has nothing to do with ganking. You don't really get oom in the jungle nowadays. Yes, they need gapclosers to get close. That is why they are called gapclosers and they use them to kill people. Guess what Shyvana lacks? A Gapcloser. Xin can't challenge anyone without being close? Yeah, that's why he has a gapcloser, a knockup and a slow and is considered the strongest early game jungler in the game. Always being up close is what he does. Trundle pillar is insanely strong by the way, if you think anything else, people in your elo are using it wrong.
: Her ganks have the same effect as an Udyr gank, Nocturne gank, Poppy Gank, Xin Gank, Yi Gank, Trundle gank pre level 6....
> [{quoted}](name=Illabethe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bVsnNGZw,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-24T10:55:06.777+0000) > > Her ganks have the same effect as an Udyr gank, Nocturne gank, Poppy Gank, Xin Gank, Yi Gank, Trundle gank pre level 6.... So you're saying Udyr, who has a stun + movespeed buff, Nocturne, who has a fear + movespeed buff, Poppy, who has a gapcloser, a stun, a slow and a movespeed buff, Xin Zhao, who has _***~~THE STRONGEST FUCKING LEVEL 3 GANK IN THE ENTIRE GAME?!~~***_ and Trundle, who has a giant CC dildo + movespeed buff have the same ganking power as Shyvana, who.. has a movespeed buff. Uh.. no?
Rioter Comments
Naalith (NA)
: I have no clue how ADC mains play this role with any regularity.
True on so many levels and it's all boiling down to the stupidly high amount of damage in the game. The oatmeal cookies part killed me (and the ADC ofc).
: A game cannot grow bigger forever
Welp, if we don't learn from history, it will repeat itself. The sad part is that League used to be a pretty good game as well.
: *recovers ping pong ball*
🏑 wait fuck
Ryzê (NA)
: I remember running full %mana per level runes on AP Kog'Maw in S6
Yeah, I loved the old rune system. It was far from being one-dimensional. If anything, the new runes are. Always loved the occasional 1% crit rune as well. I miss that.
: Daily reminder that 15-90 scaling hp is a meme and needs to be buffed
Not buffing the scaling HP rune basically revealed that the next rune change is nothing but a placebo yet again. I'm not even disappointed anymore, my expectations left a while ago.
: Fear of Tank Metas vs What We Have Now
I don't want buffs to tanks, enchanters or ADCs at all. I want to see nerfs to overall damage by nerfing/reverting runes and buffing the base resistances everyone has access to. That way tanks, enchanters and ADCs would become viable again naturally, since they are simply able to do their job.
: Yeah take the upvote farming in the biatch board, people saying pink ward is tankier than real people... Then someone is going to say "Wow Dragon is tankier than tank LOL RIOT NERF TANK SO MUCH DID YOU SEE GUYS" or other kind of r%%%%%ed comparaison and people will applaude and upvote this. No wonder nobody with common sense talk here anymore.
> [{quoted}](name=Nevrankroaton,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=faIrZPXM,comment-id=000700000000,timestamp=2019-01-15T06:57:01.249+0000) > > Yeah take the upvote farming in the biatch board, people saying pink ward is tankier than real people... > > Then someone is going to say "Wow Dragon is tankier than tank LOL RIOT NERF TANK SO MUCH DID YOU SEE GUYS" or other kind of r%%%%%ed comparaison and people will applaude and upvote this. > > No wonder nobody with common sense talk here anymore. You're the only one lacking common sense here tbf.
: Unsurprising. Specific art styles in games result in a lot of champion's faces looking very similar. Also there's only so many ways you can draw "evil grin at camera" edit: so what they copied the facial structure? that's one tiny part of two radically different pieces of art.
> [{quoted}](name=Marshbouy,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=qMGu2l1O,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2019-01-13T21:10:56.315+0000) > > Unsurprising. Specific art styles in games result in a lot of champion's faces looking very similar. > > Also there's only so many ways you can draw "evil grin at camera" They exactly overlap. No way in hell it just turned out the exact same.
: So we're just going to ignore this then...
So... is anyone over there still doing their job properly?
Rioter Comments
Frosttz (NA)
: New Gnar Story Appreciation
I enjoyed his new story as well, but it would be cool if Gnar was decently playable again without being an LCS monster :(
vladiq (EUW)
: Streamers React to NEW Champion SYLAS (ft Yassuo, Hashinshin, Trick2g, D...
: Coin Emperor Kench is literally going to bring me back to League
: What is happening to League is what happened to Street Fighter, lowering the Skill Gap....
Sadly the truth and a huge factor why I am massively losing interest in League after five years of being absolutely passionate about it.
AjXtar (EUW)
: Burst meta summarized in one video
I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry watching this video. Sad what this game has become that used to be fantastic.
Wuks (NA)
: Boards Usage Guide - Part 1: Boards Markup
Very informative, thanks! This will probably encourage some people to post more as well.
SuperHornio (EUNE)
: If you had to remove one ability, which one would it be?
{{champion:11}} His ability to breathe.
: It's not a meme: Balance has really tamed my addiction to this game
Same here. Before everyone started oneshotting each other in season 8, League used to be my favorite game by far. For five years straight I could hit Summoner's Rift even solo and have **a lot** of fun. The only way to remotely enjoy it nowadays is as a premade team of 5 and even then it's just a snowballing clown fiesta. I loved the pace of the game before Runes Reforged - now it's just fucking Call of Duty.
: Need to be sarcastic because you can’t admit you’re wrong. Tanks have way more problems than a Lucian being able to melt them - he isn’t a tank buster. It’s like saying Ezreals weak cause he can’t melt tanks. Like cmon. Use at least a little bit of brain when you post...
> [{quoted}](name=charge attack,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8gN68J9X,comment-id=0001000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-01-04T12:55:37.402+0000) > > Need to be sarcastic because you can’t admit you’re wrong. Tanks have way more problems than a Lucian being able to melt them - he isn’t a tank buster. It’s like saying Ezreals weak cause he can’t melt tanks. > > Like cmon. Use at least a little bit of brain when you post... I don't know what exactly makes you think you are smart in terms of analyzing, but yes, I was indeed being sarcastic and yes, a champion building BorK and Cleaver is a tank buster. So okay, you're saying people in plat don't go LDR fourth vs a fulltank, but we should try to balance around ideal itemization choices, not dumb ones. Players in Master+ actually build a Last Whisper item against a single tank (sometimes even relatively early), because he is usually the one they hit most.
: Everyone wants to see damage nerfed but no one's willing to have their class nerfed.
There is no need to 'nerf shit'. Just bring back the old rune resistances.
: No you don't get LDR fourth just because they have a single tank. Even 2 tanks its not worth it since you already have cleaver. Also no, you don't melt them at 3 items. MAYBE a bit better at 4 items, but then we're talking about a 3200 + 3000 + 2800 + 3400 build, which is 12400 gold (13500 if you include boots). At which point tanks have already fallen off massively. However if you wanna take a Lucian with 3/3.5 items RIGHT NOW in a customs game, and try and melt a Sion with the same amount of gold (10100 gold for 3 items) = thornmail (2900), frozen heart (2900), tabis (1100), --- any other tank items cause it doesn't evne matter anymore lmao --- then goodluck lol. this is not my opinion. these are facts. downvotes don't change it.
> [{quoted}](name=charge attack,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8gN68J9X,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-04T07:23:26.210+0000) > > No you don't get LDR fourth just because they have a single tank. Even 2 tanks its not worth it since you already have cleaver. > > Also no, you don't melt them at 3 items. MAYBE a bit better at 4 items, but then we're talking about a 3200 + 3000 + 2800 + 3400 build, which is 12400 gold (13500 if you include boots). At which point tanks have already fallen off massively. > > However if you wanna take a Lucian with 3/3.5 items RIGHT NOW in a customs game, and try and melt a Sion with the same amount of gold (10100 gold for 3 items) = thornmail (2900), frozen heart (2900), tabis (1100), --- any other tank items cause it doesn't evne matter anymore lmao --- > > then goodluck lol. this is not my opinion. these are facts. downvotes don't change it. You're right, tanks are clearly just too good right now. Lucian needs buffs.
: Uhh I call bullshit bro. Show me a Lucian killing a full tank (one thats isn’t behind) in 5 seconds at 3-4 items. If you build randuins + thornmail + Spirit visage + Tabis on let’s say Sion or Poppy Lucian might run outta mana before he kills you lol.
> [{quoted}](name=charge attack,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8gN68J9X,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-01-04T05:50:59.044+0000) > > Uhh I call bullshit bro. Show me a Lucian killing a full tank (one thats isn’t behind) in 5 seconds at 3-4 > items. If you build randuins + thornmail + Spirit visage + Tabis on let’s say Sion or Poppy Lucian might run outta mana before he kills you lol. He will absolutely shred them to pieces with BorK, Cleaver, Rapidfire and Lord Dominik's (which you will get as a fourth item facing Sion/Poppy). Although I'm pretty sure he doesn't even need LDR. Throw IE in there for true damage, same result.
Rioter Comments
: Cami- Cami- Cami- Cami- Camille is ganking mid
I sang along and don't regret a second of it.
NotJWK (NA)
: Question for League players who have been playing for 4+ years now
I don't, honestly. As soon as everyone started blowing each other up in season 8, I found myself not enjoying League of Legends anymore. I keep playing (much less though) because it was my favorite game by far for five years straight. It's like marrying a great guy and after five years of marriage he suddenly starts getting drunk and beating you up on the regular, but you stick with him anyway because you used to love him so much and think he can change back to the man you were so passionate about. However, every day of getting beaten up slowly but surely destroys these last bits of feelings you had for him.
LTK KoRo (EUW)
: Damage isn't even higher than in seasons 2 and 3, but whatever, let's ride "hurr durr damage meta" train, choo choo
> [{quoted}](name=LTK KoRo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XjzRv2BJ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-01T16:41:35.181+0000) > > Damage isn't even higher than in seasons 2 and 3, but whatever, let's ride "hurr durr damage meta" train, choo choo No matter how often you come along with your 'choo choo' comment, damage is absolutely higher than it was in seasons 2 and 3.
Rioter Comments
: Reduce damage and suddenly tanks and ADCs are viable enjoyable picks again.
: 95% of the things wrong with the game right now are just symptoms of the insane damage.
: MFW I asked what counters this champion & they answered "just CC him"
: The Damage Creep Meta is a Complex Issue with Many Sources that Have Caused it.
While this thread holds truth, I think the biggest and most prominent issue is/was Runes Reforged. I strongly believe that most of this overwhelming damage creeping around would vanish if Runes Reforged gets reverted.
: What ruins your gaming experience?
Everyone oneshotting each other.
: LOL does the skin team hates Squad5 that much?
Nobody plays these champs. That's why they don't get skins. Maybe Ornn will see some play after his (probably disgusting) rework.
: Review of Season 8 Issues <-> Possible solutions
Very good analysis. I am only halfway through, as I need so get some sleep, but I can already tell the amount of effort you've put into this. I will come back tomorrow to give this a complete read!
: Damage meta. Reject or accept?
I do not enjoy this form of League and am playing a lot less ever since season 8. The calm aspect about this game I fell in love with is gone and if it won't come back this season as well, I will just completely stop playing the longer this drags on. Just as I stopped buying skins a while ago (used to want my favorite skin for every champion, because I was so passionate about League five years straight). It is sad, but Riot does not seem to have other plans. I miss strategy. I miss teamfights that last longer than three seconds.
Lilithh (NA)
: Sometimes, I wonder why Rioters no longer respond to us, but the answer has become more apparent.
I do not agree. Yes, there is frustration going around, but this is due to the fact that Riot is not being transparent about balancing anymore. They are simply ignoring complaints about damage being too high and games being too stompy or give us placebo changes that seem to increase defense, but in reality do not help. People get frustrated because they are losing something they used to truly love, while the only thing left to assume is that Riot does this because of the Asian market/money, which would mean they are ignoring us because... they are ignoring us. Some statement on this would solve this issue in my opinion. A simple 'yes, our focus now is to appeal to the Chinese gaming scene' would make me happier than this complete silence. Part of this frustration turns to anger and players will sooner or later be verbal about it, which is natural. While some of us are not able to be constructive, Riot being silent does not help either.
: Riot, I think it's time to move on. Or should I say, move forward.
Yes. Right after fixing this Call of Duty MOBA.
: Wouldn't it be nice if we used threads to point out and come to consensus on WHAT is f*cked up instead of telling the Balancing Team THAT they f*cked up, b*tching and complaining?
> [{quoted}](name=Shermaniac,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6Md307AB,comment-id=00060003,timestamp=2018-12-20T16:42:27.880+0000) > > Wouldn&#x27;t it be nice if we used threads to point out and come to consensus on WHAT is f*cked up instead of telling the Balancing Team THAT they f*cked up, b*tching and complaining? Check my other posts - I am constantly pointing out what Riot is screwing up ever since season 8. Too much damage, champions losing their identity, games snowballing too hard/ending too quickly, Runes Reforged being a failure. This thread seemed more like comic relief, so I responded with sarcasm as well. No matter how often we point out the games' flaws though, Riot is completely ignoring them, because Tencent wants a fast, flashy, dumbed down button masher.
Anatera (NA)
: I want long games back
True. Every game seems to be an unsatisfying stomp since season 8.
: What is, in your opinion, the worst designed champion in this game?
: I like it that the game length is 20-25min (for sure are others that like it), because I play 1-2 games a day for relaxation. I dont play dota2 that takes 50-60min a game, is frustrating long.
> [{quoted}](name=testing game,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QNdwtrAz,comment-id=000300010000,timestamp=2018-12-20T10:18:50.353+0000) > > I like it that the game length is 20-25min (for sure are others that like it), because I play 1-2 games a day for relaxation. I dont play dota2 that takes 50-60min a game, is frustrating long. There is nothing relaxing about this button mashing oneshot fiesta at all. League used to have this calm aspect about it I absolutely fell in love with. This was what helped me relax. Ever since season 8 and Runes Reforged I just get frustrated or unsatisfied with every game.
Sasogwa (EUW)
: Am I just completely out of my time or is the game becoming ridiculous?
This is true, sadly. There is barely any strategy or calm aspect about the game anymore. We button-mash each other to death in three-second teamfights and hope we are the last ones standing. Most of the champions lost their identities as well. Everybody is more or less a damage dealer and dies insanely fast. Nobody can tank. Everyone is able to splitpush due to towers being hilariously weak defense-wise. Runes Reforged should be reverted.
Dukues (NA)
: Riot Balance & Design teams have cured my addiction
Used to play 10 games in a row daily. Now I'm down to 1-2. Thanks Riot Balancing Team!
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