flaming (NA)
: Has anyone ever recovered from a 14 day ban?
It's absolutely possible, people do it all the time. I know you don't want the 'don't be toxic' comments, but that's literally the only advice we can give you. You cannot reform and be toxic at the same time. You don't have to be positive either though. Just don't write anything. Mute everyone at the start of the game (they'll still be able to see if you write something, mind you). If you *really* feel like saying something, keep it to 'GG', 'GJ', etc..
: Why is there more punishment for inting in a normal game (because of bullying it's not like I just decided to do it for no reason) Then bullying someone because of a low winrate because their jerk.
Because when you int, you ruin the game for 9 other players. You can also mute 'bullies'.
RR8Rosie (NA)
: A Player I Know
It takes multiple punishments to get permabanned for toxicity. You have *plenty* time and chances to realize that you shouldn't argue or be toxic for any reason. So in my mind, a permaban isn't a harsh punishment. But no, there isn't any way to get it back or transfer the items. It wouldn't really be that much of a punishment then, would it?
: So people that treat u horribly go unpunished (my story)
Riot bans someone for flaming an inter: 'OMG Riot only cares about words' Riot bans someone for inting a flamer: 'OMG Riot doesn't care at all about words' --- You just can't win. You deserve to get punished for flaming. But you deserve to get punished more for inting.
AORVAL (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Vreivai,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7hY7mjg5,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-04-21T05:14:40.469+0000) > > Could you provide some of the reform cards from when you log into accounts other than that account (include the entire client in the screenshot), or whatever comes up when you attempt to log in to them? Riot has explicitly stated that they do not IP ban, so if your claim is that they are in fact IP banning it'd be nice to have more to go on that just your word. To my knowledge, they will also not ban one account for the actions of another account. https://imgur.com/JJtJGk8 This is what shows up every time. it doesnt even let me login to any of them as I said. Every single one has this "Your username/pass is wrong", even though the user/pass is all correct. It doesn't let me login, doesnt provide any information for the ban, its simply banned. Unless they banned it based off the accounts signed up with my email, then idk.
That's because it's the wrong password or username. That account hasn't necessarily been banned, you just can't login to it lol.
Rimram (OCE)
: It's our time to take action against stupidity; How i like to make asshats suffer.
> Many people have never touched the mute function and instead have always tried to argue with them. Please. Try it out. It wont work 100% but it will make your game surprisingly calm and much easier to handle, sometimes even have you win the game. You'll be amazed at how often peope will calm down if you do not say anything. They'll feel embarrassed that they are the only one typing in chat, screaming into the void while their other 4 teammates don't even turn around to speak to them. This is the best treatment we can give assholes. Complete silence. Remember. These pieces of shit are not worth your time. Let them know that and leave them alone in their sad lives. Keep in mind, that if you mute someone they can still see what you write.
Apollon FiV (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=RallerenP,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=4bzWw9i9,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2019-04-11T15:31:16.584+0000) > > Simply not possible. People will ALWAYS find a way to get around a filter. Always. > > When they had really long chat bans in the past, people started inting. Inting is more severe and harder to catch, so that's not really a great option. have you played csgo? there's something that is called overwatch system. here you can check about it: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=7562-IPJN-1009#overwhat
Yeah, League had a similar system and it failed horribly. It was a lot worse than the current system. It was slower, and had a larger rate of incorrectly given punishments. CS:GOs playerbase consists of more engaged players, while League is a heavily casual game.
Apollon FiV (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Arcade Lulu,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=4bzWw9i9,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-11T15:22:30.813+0000) > > I mean, got any better ideas? prevently language filter. a way to not letting a player to send a text with toxic and offensive words. permanently chat ban. a flamer will create another account to keep flame. no matter if he get a perma ban on an account..
> prevently language filter. a way to not letting a player to send a text with toxic and offensive words. Simply not possible. People will ALWAYS find a way to get around a filter. Always. > permanently chat ban. When they had really long chat bans in the past, people started inting. Inting is more severe and harder to catch, so that's not really a great option.
Reason97 (NA)
: fair. SOMETHING need's to be done though. This kind of behavior is making people not want to play the game, driving away new players, and the currents punishments don't seem to stop anyone anymore since they know they can just make a new account and be fine.
Problem is, you CAN'T track people around. It would either include some serious privacy issues or you'd hurting innocent players. All because of a TINY minority of players.
rujitra (NA)
: Client-Side Dodge Punishment
I don't want to just be negative, but I don't feel like it would really make that much of an impact. I don't think there are that many players that dodge knowing they can just play on another account. Most dodges probably happens in cases where people are ready to just spend the time for the punishment, or actually is an emergency. It's also a very minor problem, but there exists people who play on the same PC, in private environments (not something where you can just apply to a IP based program). Suddenly those players get punished for something they didn't do.
AryaElda (EUNE)
: Account Stolen And Now Perma Banned - Help?
Well if you've sent in a ticket and Riot already said you couldn't get the account back, then I'm afraid that just how it is. The moderators on here don't work for Riot, and can't tell you if you can get it back. I fully 100% agree that Riot should have an optional 2FA, it's actually quite shocking that they don't have it yet. The only way you could've been hacked is either through another website where you used the same password, or if you've got a virus. It could also be if you have a really simple password, of course.
Eddy1304 (NA)
: is posible hack the chat in a game?
The cats and dogs have taken over man. I heard they actually infested Riots servers, so now the only thing anyone can say is dog and cat related stuff!! Curse those damned pets!
y0r1ck (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=RallerenP,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gYx1IEbE,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-31T20:00:46.798+0000) > > Being nice and friendly leads to higher quality experiences for most players. > > And throwing and feeding already feels really bad without some asshat constantly reminding you of it. > > By choosing to flame those players you are literally just making everyone feel worse, and tilting them and lowering your chances of a comeback. And once you've chosen a target, you'll be less receptive to your own mistakes, becoming more careless and again: lowering the chances of a comeback. > > For inting players I can atleast *understand* why you choose to flame them, I'll always be of the opinion that you shouldn't flame in *any* case, but I can understand why you'd flame someone who's inting. > > --- > > The short answer is that most players prefer a nice environment over one where you punish player for playing poorly. This is a game afterall. I want to point out that there are more options than friendly and nice vs flaming. I think for most people the most fun game will lie somewhere in the middle, and not on either end.
I agree, there's a point where friendliness goes from nice to just annoying, but I'd honestly MUCH rather have someone unintentionally tilt the team with their 'niceness' (and it really takes an extremely overwhelming amount of nice-ness to actually tilt the team), than someone intentionally tilting the team with toxicity. However I intepret OP's main question as why the community would rather prefer friendliness over flaming those inting and playing poorly.
Prophecy (EUW)
: Goodbye riot games
> Why is the communitys priority seemingly to be NICE and friendly in chat, but you can throw or feed or int however much you want? Being nice and friendly leads to higher quality experiences for most players. And throwing and feeding already feels really bad without some asshat constantly reminding you of it. By choosing to flame those players you are literally just making everyone feel worse, and tilting them and lowering your chances of a comeback. And once you've chosen a target, you'll be less receptive to your own mistakes, becoming more careless and again: lowering the chances of a comeback. For inting players I can atleast *understand* why you choose to flame them, I'll always be of the opinion that you shouldn't flame in *any* case, but I can understand why you'd flame someone who's inting. --- The short answer is that most players prefer a nice environment over one where you punish player for playing poorly. This is a game afterall.
: Game still allows false reports via roaming etc
So you got punished for roaming, or just reported? Because you can report for literally anything, but that doesn't mean it's punishable.
Mordius (NA)
: How long until this system works
I mean, that's a pretty unrealistic expectation to have. There isn't a single large multiplayer game in the world, that doesn't have a lot of toxic players. This is especially true for free games, such a League.
: No one else was stepping up. That's not me appointing myself, it's taking the initiative, which is supposed to be a GOOD quality. Additionally, you mean to tell me that these pre-mades are justified in calling me a "%%%%" and a "%%%%%%"? You think that's acceptable? If I called you that right now, would you block me or would you have something to say in return? If stuck in a room with me would you tape my mouth shut or punch me in the face? The expectations you have of me are completely unrealistic. And @Rujitra You don't get to make rules that deny me my dignity as a Human Being. I never agreed to that, and the Summoner's Code doesn't support that either. Go read it. You may work at Riot but your insight is EXTREMELY limited. Do more with the authority you have to protect people who are mistreated by the Community. I don't care how many downvotes you give my thread. Summoner's Code: https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/get-started/summoners-code/ YOUR LOGIC SUCKS. BE HUMAN. Think of all League of Legends matches as a game of basketball among friends. NO ONE WOULD EVER TREAT ANYONE THIS WAY. THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE AND THE VICTIMS ARE GETTING BANNED. THIS IS ABOUT MORE THAN JUST MY ACCOUNT. THIS IS ABOUT THE ENTIRE LEAGUE OF LEGENDS COMMUNITY. I DID NOT POST THIS OUT OF SELFISHNESS. GET OVER YOURSELVES AND YOUR E-PEENS. SEE THE LIGHT. HURRY UP. I'VE BEEN WAITING A DECADE FOR YOU TO SEE HOW WRONG THIS IS. If this is not enough, you are truly ignorant and deserve the toxicity you give each other. BUT I DO NOT AND WILL NOT TAKE THIS LYING DOWN. YOU SHOULDN'T EITHER.
> No one else was stepping up. That's not me appointing myself, it's taking the initiative, which is supposed to be a GOOD quality. Evidently someone else WAS stepping up: The premades. > Additionally, you mean to tell me that these pre-mades are justified in calling me a "%%%%" and a "%%%%%%"? You think that's acceptable? If I called you that right now, would you block me or would you have something to say in return? If stuck in a room with me would you tape my mouth shut or punch me in the face? I don't think they were justified. As I said, you were both bad, meaning neither of you were justified in your actions. And I would absolutely just tape your mouth shut. If I punch you, I'd just be escalating the situation. Also, it's a bad comparison, your words doesn't equate to punching someone. They were toxic towards you, you were toxic back. > And @Rujitra You don't get to make rules that deny me my dignity as a Human Being. I never agreed to that, and the Summoner's Code doesn't support that either. Go read it. You may work at Riot but your insight is EXTREMELY limited. Do more with the authority you have to protect people who are mistreated by the Community. I don't care how many downvotes you give my thread. Rujita isn't a Rioter, they were appointed by the community as a 'Specialist' because they have a lot of knowledge of the system. And the summoners code doesn't say anything about this situation that plays in your favor. No one is taking away your dignity. In-fact, I'd say that behaving like you did in that game is what is throwing away your dignity. I have a lot more respect for someone who can keep calm in these situations. > When you give feedback, make sure you take a holistic approach. If you only give negative feedback, you may find that the changes you influence detract from what you initially enjoyed. Moreover, people are simply more likely to listen if you present yourself in a calm, well thought out manner. That's a snippet from the summoners code. So you clearly haven't read it yourself. --- > So you think I should be silent while there are 5 Enemy Champions in the Mid Lane and only one other person on my Team is there with me? The other 3 showing no signs that they recognize what is happening and no sign that they will come and help? You must /ff a lot. Yes, I absolutely think you should be silent. What is yelling at them going to do? They'll just laugh at you, and in the future they'll keep on not helping you, because you might react and they get another laugh.
: Protect Players Who Are Cyber-Bullied, Harassed, and Verbally Abused by Pre-Made Groups of Players
> Had these players not treated me so horribly, I doubt I ever would have been banned... Alas, the system completely ignores the context in which infractions occur, and good people get banned because bad people won't simply leave them alone. But in this case, you're *ALL* bad. The premades were bad, and you were bad. > Please Upvote this if you agree that the context of the situation should matter more when it comes to Chat Bans and Suspensions. I have to say that I don't really agree, on the basis that context only matters in ***VERY*** few cases (and that does not include yours). Those cases are better dealt with after the fact. > Yes, the argument exists that the /mute all and /fullmute all systems can be used to alleviate this stress. However, as a good team leader, severing all communication with one's team is a great way to lose the game quicker. And a good leader recognizes when to speak, and when to be silent. While yes, in most cases more communication is good, you also need to understand that pointless arguing with your team is going to lower your chances of winning, more significantly than the hit you take from just muting and playing to the best of your ability. Also, it's quite ironic that you complained so much about the premades commanding you around, while also being so quick to appoint yourself team-leader.
BIG GERM (NA)
: Got Permabanned, Now What?
I mean, you *can* try contacting support, but permanent means permanent in 99% of cases. The 1% is usually just bans that were actually placed in error. You had your last chance, and you wasted it, sorry.
: new urf blows
Well, I think it's much better than regular URF and everyone who play with me says the same. We wont really get far with that kind of arguing.
: maybe just maybe im just that bad?
You were gold and silver in your last 3 seasons. Meaning you absolutely have a basic understanding of how the game works. Had you been in Iron or maybe even Bronze, I could've accepted that, but not when you've been playing consistently enough to get gold multiple seasons, including the last one. You don't just lose your sense of how to play in the span of a season. At this point, I've scrubbed through your replay, and nothing you say will convince me you weren't 'soft inting' that game, sorry.
: Wrongfully banned after a long time of not playing
Yah, no. Sorry man. I just looked up the game and you were definently inting. Anyone interested can go into the match history and look at 8:50 and clearly see you waltzing straight into the enemies. You were clearly trying to make it look not intentional, but you do this over and over again. I don't know how to upload video of the game, but I have some screenshots: https://gyazo.com/1aff6f710e00fc2e4bda6a38b287a63d You walk up to the tower that Jinx and Sona is taking. https://gyazo.com/22e6b4a8f7cf1935a0be8733b643d920 Seeing that it's nearly dead, you just stand there, farming minions https://gyazo.com/c6f5ce4fdd7747afc59fb69f75fc0691 You don't run away, even after the tower is down https://gyazo.com/e36fdd57701f76341c5911a600793b36 Finally, you just die. --- Mind you, this is just a single example. You died 16 times that game. Just before this, you tried to 1v1 a Jinx. You were 0/5 11 minions. Jinx was 5/1 47 minions. And 2 levels ahead of you. Now, byitself that isn't that damning. But during the fight, you flee into a bush because of your low HP, Jinx gets minion blocked and can't auto you. You had plenty time to escape that situation, but you decided that despite Jinx being near-full health, and you being half health AND all the fact that you KNOW how much damage you do, due because of just having fought her, decide that instead of backing off, you go back in. My description doesn't do it justice. It's all the small things in the replay that gives it away.
BlooYed (EUW)
: Does nobody know if the steps I've hypothesized to take are sufficient to not get banned? That was my question after all. {{sticker:sg-janna}}
Yeah, if you stick to strictly tactical / gameplay related chat, then you'll be fine.
: Trolling is becoming a Serious Issue.
It's a huge problem, but the problem is waaay to complex to actually solve. Computers take exact instructions, and how to do you give exact instructions to what inting is? Sure, you could give it the easy ones: Going 0/40 in a 20 minute game or detecting large amounts of death under the enemy turrets. Those are easy for computers. But problems begin the second you try to go more complex, like detecting if someone intentionally not casting an ability, or intentionally dying to the enemy laner in a fight. What exact instructions could you give for that? No two fights are alike, and a loss in a fight could be caused by a billion different things. To you and I, it's sometimes easy to gauge if someone is inting, but to a computer it's virtually impossible with by conventional means. The actual solution (and the solution Riot is using) to this problem is training an AI to detect inting and trolling. I wont get into the specifics, but it with our current level of technology in AI, this solution has a major problem: Data. Training AI's for something like this requires INSANE amounts of data. More data than Riot has. Currently, they are mediating the problem by using reports as training data, but due to false reports they have to tune it in a way that even MORE data is required for the system to be efficient. --- Aside from this, you also seem confused on how match-making works. > On top of that my last game all my teammates were lower than lvl 80 and the team I was put up against were all above lvl 100 some were on 150 plus minus between the opposing team all around that range Levels aren't indicative of skill, by any means. The best gauge for skill level is MMR (Matching Making Ranking). Each win you get grants you some MMR, each loss you get, means you lose some MMR. How much you gain or lose is unknown, and it's probably decided by a multitude of different factors. So just because you are matching with players a higher level than you, doesn't actually mean you aren't put in a fair match. It might just mean that you have higher MMR than the average for your level. Or that the enemy had lower MMR than the average for their levels. >
SonicAF (EUW)
: Low priority queue
I'm not sure what kind of proof you're expecting. Low Priority Que (LPQ) just means that you have to wait to get in-game. I'm not sure if they actually proritise you lower than others after you've waited though.
PhoPhoW (EUW)
: How many hours is it sane to play LEAGUE per day?
I would say that it *entirely* depends on each person. If you ever find that you are prioritizing League over real life issues, or if playing League ever becomes a problem (e.g. you regularly find yourself playing till late at night, and as such will be much less productive the next day). In short, if you play League rather than take care of real life, then you might be dealing with an addiction.
: ***
It's by no means strong evidence of scripting, but in context it's a lead. This guy hasn't played in a long time, comes back to see he's gotten banned from scripting and that someones been playing on his account. It's not unreasonable that someone changed his name. And it also wouldn't be *that* unreasonable to suspect that OP might be trolling due to his name.
: Banned for Scripting but have never scripted
Well, someone's been playing on it. Last game was in January. You should contact support. But if someone else played on the account and used scripts, then you might be out of luck. All actions taken on your account, is your responsibility. If you didn't give you your password to anyone, you should change it because someone must've gotten it. (You should change it anyways, and I recommend changing passwords for everywhere else as well.) QUICK EDIT: Also your name is literally 'SCRIPT ACCT 01'. If that's not your original name, then you definently got compromised.
: Yes, if they are showing that they are toxic beyond reform like this guy. A sharp decrease in toxicity and trolls would likely attract and keep new players which Riot desperately needs. But your assertion that it wouldn't work isn't really accurate. You cant just get a new credit card.
I completely disagree. Part of the charm of this game is that you can easily get into, for free. League wouldn't be *nearly* as big as it is, if it were paid. And I can say that because when you look at all the other free to play titles to have come out, they all have MUCH bigger playerbases than their paid counterparts. Just look at Fortnite. Even if you don't like it, it's indeniably one of the biggest games around. Even beats out games like FIFA. You're underestimating how much more accesible free-to-play makes the game, and overestimating how much toxicity impacts it.
: Dodge the one time and come back later. You _do_ know what "dodging" is, right?
Yeah, but why even dodge? If you stay, then the 'habitual dodger' is either going to stay, or not. There's still a chance to get in-game. But you'd rather *not* go in-game? Your dodging will be just as annoying as the 'habitual dodger' dodging. You're just deciding that, no matter what, you wont go in-game with someone known to dodge que?
: comic/Intelectual property?
It's under [Terms of Use](https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/legal/termsofuse#limited-license), and [their 'legal jibber jabber'](https://www.riotgames.com/en/legal) (You'll probably get the most use out of the second link.)
: > [{quoted}](name=TrulyBland,realm=EUNE,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=P0xBwjai,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-26T17:29:49.927+0000) > > That's exactly how the recent tab is supposed to work (to my knowledge). It implies recent activity, not recent creation. It basically works the same way the old forums did, where any post would "bump" the thread up to the top again. That sounds like a nightmare. Time to go comment on old posts about the Sion rework
Which is also forbidden, because necroing threads isn't allowed.
: After one outburst I should NOT be reprimanded if they keep on insulting someone! I don't care if it is me or someone else I am reporting you. It is literally 1 identical "demand" to go away in strong syntax versus Persons insulting someone constantly all game!
I'd love to see your chatlogs to back up that claim. Screenshots preffered.
: I get Unsportsmen like even though I didn't start the name calling
"He started it first!" is an argument you hear in kindergarten, and it didn't even work there. It doesn't matter who started, toxicity is toxicity.
LuckyZ00M (EUW)
: I don't know from how long time it calculates, mine was an estimation I learn from this, not to speak in game.
It takes your last 39 games. However it's easy to just scroll back to see that the estimation is completely wrong. I don't mean to be rude, but you should view this as a lesson, not a lesson on not speaking generally, but not to assume that you're better than everyone else. It's clear from your chatlogs and your 'estimation' that you think you are way better than you actually are. The system isn't wrong in your case. You are. And it's not my intention to be mean here, but there just isn't a nice way to say this.
LuckyZ00M (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=GreenKnight,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oANtiyXc,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-02-23T16:44:43.717+0000) > > Holy shit, you talk too much > > You berated your teammates, report called, spammed and flamed. Yeah, your punishment was necessary to stop you from breaking games for others. > > I erased what is deemed non toxic, and left only what's considered to be detrimental to others. I hope you get these players in your future games. My average KDA is 9/2/10
That's funny. OP.GG calculates it at 6.3/4.3/7.7 And it doesn't even matter. I would MUCH rather have a someone who is bad but nice, than good but unbearable.
LuckyZ00M (EUW)
: Permanentley Banned - Unsportsmanlike Behaviour
If you want us (regular players) to give our opinions on the case, you'll have to share your full, unedited chat-logs. Otherwise, you should contact [support](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us). Rioters rarely chip-in on threads like these.
: Riot please solve this!
You're level 62, that Zoe was level 48. The lowest level player in that game was level 39. You also didn't have any particularly great score. Sure it was better than Zoe, but you aren't *that* much better. That's just scratching the surface. Looking at your match history, even in the games where you are matched with player above or equal to your skill level, you don't do particularly better than usual. All in all, the level of the players you are matched with doesn't really matter significantly when it comes to your performance. This makes sense seeing as a level doesn't tell you the skill of a particular player. That's what MMR is designed for. You are matched with players that have similar MMR to you, regardless of their level. And sorry to say it, but you're pretty much the usual 'My teammates are holding me back' type of player. Instead of focusing on how poorly your teammates are doing, focus on improving yourself. (You *really* aren't that much better than the players you get matched with, according to your match history).
SonicAF (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=RallerenP,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Az2aJw5P,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-20T20:45:19.925+0000) > > Decent people would agree that after several warnings, a personal conversation with an employee about behavior and the summoners code teaching you how to be a good teammate, messing up a last chance that you were given out of the ordinary is a monumentally stupid thing to do. First of all, Riot games does not have warnings, only punishments, along with pure political zero tolerance policy. This might be the easiest game to get banned at in the entire world, considering that both ToS and summoner's code never draw the line. > And that 'thin ice' disadvantage you're talking about, is the same disadvantage you get after any punishment. No. > Any reasonable person would agree that you deserve a harsher punishment if you're continue behaving out of line, right after being told to stop. There is no defined line. > Yet 75% of players who recieve a chat restriction, never receive another punishment. I wonder how many people behave the way that gets people permabanned and never receive a chat restriction. > From this, you can of course conclude that the 'disadvantage' isn't as much of a disadvantage compared to these players just not being able to reform, which isn't something Riot imposed on them. I conclude thst many people are not given a chance to adjust. > You're trying to say that players that were part of the unban experiment didn't know that they'd get permabanned again if they kept being toxic? That's just not true. Riot never told what "toxic" is. Actually, Lyte did, but his definition covers only a small number of **evil** people triggering hundreds of others. The worst of the worst. Not some average joe who called you bad.
> First of all, Riot games does not have warnings, only punishments, along with pure political zero tolerance policy. This might be the easiest game to get banned at in the entire world, considering that both ToS and summoner's code never draw the line. At every stage of the punishment ladder, except for permaban, you get a warning with your punishment. The reform card that shows clearly states that future toxicity will lead to harsher punishments. Then it gives you examples of toxicity. The 14 day ban even states that the next punishment will be a permaban. So you never just get permabanned out of the blue, for toxicity atleast. > There is no defined line. Because a clear line is impossible to define. You can only ever show examples of players that have definently crossed this very blurry line, and hope that they can see it for themselves. Which most people can. In fact, most people know not to cross this line in the first place. > I wonder how many people behave the way that gets people permabanned and never receive a chat restriction. Only an exceptionally tiny minority. On boards you'll find lots of examples, but that's again just an even tinier vocal minority. > Riot never told what "toxic" is. > Actually, Lyte did, but his definition covers only a small number of evil people triggering hundreds of others. The worst of the worst. Not some average joe who called you bad. I've previously made a post that explains why you can't just 'define' what toxicity is, to an extent. (It was more specifically on why making a list of toxic phrases/things isn't feasible.) But the same priciple goes. As soon as you make a clear definition of what toxicity, players will just find a way of tip-toeing around that line. Again, you can only hope that most people are rational enough to know what toxicity is, without having to clearly define it. And as it happens, most people *are* rational enough to do that.
SonicAF (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=RallerenP,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Az2aJw5P,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-20T14:39:48.811+0000) > > <...>Just don't write anything negative. Well, decent people find it difficult to process that you might be banned or even permabanned in a videogame for sarcasm or a report call. "Thin ice" policy is **the** disadvantage in comparison to people who can do those things for years without getting punished. Basically, you are in the environment where everyone acts in a way that will take your account away forever and you are not informed about it.
> Well, decent people find it difficult to process that you might be banned or even permabanned in a videogame for sarcasm or a report call. "Thin ice" policy is the disadvantage in comparison to people who can do those things for years without getting punished. Decent people would agree that after several warnings, a personal conversation with an employee about behavior and the summoners code teaching you how to be a good teammate, messing up a last chance that you were given out of the ordinary is a monumentally stupid thing to do. And that 'thin ice' disadvantage you're talking about, is the same disadvantage you get after any punishment. Any reasonable person would agree that you deserve a harsher punishment if you're continue behaving out of line, right after being told to stop. Yet 75% of players who recieve a chat restriction, never receive another punishment. From this, you can of course conclude that the 'disadvantage' isn't as much of a disadvantage compared to these players just not being able to reform, which isn't something Riot imposed on them. > Basically, you are in the environment where everyone acts in a way that will take your account away forever and you are not informed about it. You're trying to say that players that were part of the unban experiment didn't know that they'd get permabanned again if they kept being toxic? That's just not true.
SonicAF (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=PurpleYukari,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Az2aJw5P,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-20T04:10:52.063+0000) > > Well riot has been silent about it since then so I don't know if they are going to do anything. But from them saying that other previous experiments like this have failed, it seems unlikely. Considering that those people start in a severe disadvantage apart from several known bugs, it's not difficult to understand why they fail.
What 'severe disadvantage' do they start at? Literally the only thing they need to do is not flame, and they'll succeed. They don't need to be nice towards their teammates or anything. Just don't write anything negative.
RAW SUP (NA)
: why im suspended
The amount of money you spend is 100% irelevant, and mentioning it makes you sound entitled. You should post your chatlogs, the information you provided certainly isn't enough to go off. If you want a direct answer from Riot, you'll have to make a ticket with [Support](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us)
: Perma banned
The only way to contact a person, would be to contact support again. When the bot answers, just reply and you'll likely get a human next time. But I can already almost guarantee you that it wont help you, other than to understand *why* you were punished. In any case, you should've semi-recently have had a 14 days ban. On the reform card it states that the next punishment would a permaban, so it's not really without warning. > I might deseve some form of punishment, maybe, but I do not deserve to lose an account I have spent so much money on over the past decade. Sorry, but you don't deserve special treatment just because you've spent a lot of money. That's would be outrageously unfair towards those who can't afford to spend like you do.
Yenn (NA)
: Soft inting and alternate accounts seriously need to be addressed
So looking through your match history, if found the 'infamous' player. My only question is: How do you define inting, deterministically. (Meaning, you can't just say: "Inting is intentionally losing"). What steps would one have to take, to verify that a player is inting? You could look at the score? But he isn't doing paticularly horrible KDA-wise. Sure he has a lot of deaths, but he also has alot of assists and kills. The damage? He consistently does an expected amount of damage for a support Alistar. Doing role related things? He also often places a shit ton of vision. The build? Nothing is inherently wrong with his build. You shouldn't get punished for not building the exact same items anyone else does. And infact, over the last 110 games, he had a positive winrate? So why do you say he's inting? Unless I have the totally wrong player (I'm talking about the 'Ohmwrecker Alistar'), there isn't any conclusive proof that he is actually trying to lose, right? And if it's not possible to determine whether or not someone is inting, then how is *Riot* supposed to do so? Soft inting is per definition not something you can detect. It's inting, that isn't detectable. So how do you expect 'soft inting' to be adressed in any way?
Jikker (NA)
: "This page isn't working" Maybe try uploading to imgur? Edit: Nvm, I fixed it for you ;)
> [{quoted}](name=Jikker,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=tjjLFMgb,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-12T14:40:54.170+0000) > > "This page isn't working" > > Maybe try uploading to imgur? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/372610819856531456/542678949981978624/received_2280911765527753.png It was just the arguments in the URL that messed it up :)
DunkProphet (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Jo0o,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=LA3zFomd,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2019-02-12T14:24:07.258+0000) > > I see people speeding all the time. Doesn’t make me immune to getting pulled over for the same. If we are using that logic then self defense IRL is acceptable and the person who instigated the fight usually gets in much more trouble than the other responding.
Except in real life, self defence works as a detterence. In game, "self defence" only works to make the game even MORE toxic. You aren't going to make anyone flame you less, by flaming them back. In real life people will stop attacking you if you hit them hard enough.
CaTa771 (EUNE)
: Leavebuster...
> Only the client dies funky things like the 100% load bug that many people get. Ah, I agree in cases where bugs with the game is at fault, then there shouldn't be a LeaverBuster. > Once you get leavers, you get it more often, by no fault of your own Care to explain? It's not like the bug will happen more often to you, if you get it once right? I'm genuinely asking, as I've never personally experienced it.
CaTa771 (EUNE)
: Leavebuster...
Sorry- LeaverBuster only targets consistent AFKing, so that players that get accidentally disconnected once or twice wont get punished. But disconnecting still means the game is pretty much ruined for the 4 other players on your team. If you often have technical issues, you should solve them before trying to play the game. Also ensure that you have enough to time play out a full game. In short, a LeaverBuster for going AFK due to technical issues is 100% intended. You shouldn't play when you're not sure you can keep a stable connection to the servers.
: A message to the sudden abundance of special snowflakes out there.
I mean... Aren't you also being overly sensitive if you're set off like this because of a 'snowflake' calling you toxic?
Hige (NA)
: I dont have a reform card ._. not on my email nor when I try logging in... I also think it's shield ban but the non response got me worried a bit... though I do understand it's the weekend so...
> I dont have a reform card Then what does it say when you're trying to log in?
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