: Hey, DotEleven (NA). If you feel your 2-week suspension was inappropriate and done in error, please feel free to join the Boards discord. Just make sure to ping a moderator in the **#boards-violation-inquiries** channel! Colonel J The Sheriff
Or he can make a public post in "discuss the boards" so we can all see the moderator logic
: I hope it never happens. I am permanently banned on the EUW forums for extremely minor things. Any mod here can check. It's insane, it's literally insanity with the moderators there. You can't say anything even remotely negative. In fact, if the mods are the same here, I might just get banned here too for this post.
Yeah I have no idea how he is still there
: > [{quoted}](name=RuFiot,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=00080000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-30T13:12:49.303+0000) > > You can now.. "they don't care" I'm sure they don't, but maybe they will tell you on how to decide if your future posts are standing in their criteria and what is their criteria anyways. > > Another thing is that if you are right (even if they not agree, they will have to make up some nonsense rule, and you will be able to use that ruling in the future to show-case unfairness or none-sense, those things do pile up eventually) it will be another case about that moderator (in your post you will be allowed to mention his name), and it will be visible to all to see, maybe more people will start to post their encounters in that board too (after seeing yours) and maybe someone higher up will have enough of his behavior Why? we've already been around this last time I got banned. I posted it, hell the moderator even came in and posted the posts that got me banned. People saw it was BS, but it doesn't matter because Riot doesn't care as long as it's in line with their views (which is that the panel is fine) so the moderators share it and it all just trickles down.
Do you have a link? (I didn't find it in "discuss the boards") Did you ask for someone higher up the chain to reexamine the case, cause you are not satisfied with the answer and think you are right? an Herald said to me that they are willing to do it if you ask (they say they sometimes revert ruling bla bla bla ), but more important - > Why? Do you know why you have gotten banned? for posting social issue which they have decided that is not closely related, do you have any idea how you decide if something is closely related or not?
: > [{quoted}](name=RuFiot,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=000800000000,timestamp=2018-10-30T11:44:47.747+0000) > > Those are some good points on why your post was about social issue which are closely related to Riot, try to talk about it in "Discuss the Boards" while showing what was your original post, > > I think the point is to decide on what is considered closely related and what is not, and if your post do was closely related you will be able to post it again I mean, not like I could then considering I was banned for 2 weeks. Besides, they don't care. Considering I doubt they've changed the mod team at all.
You can now.. "they don't care" I'm sure they don't, but maybe they will tell you on how to decide if your future posts are standing in their criteria and what is their criteria anyways. Another thing is that if you are right (even if they not agree, they will have to make up some nonsense rule, and you will be able to use that ruling in the future to show-case unfairness or none-sense, those things do pile up eventually) it will be another case about that moderator (in your post you will be allowed to mention his name), and it will be visible to all to see, maybe more people will start to post their encounters in that board too (after seeing yours) and maybe someone higher up will have enough of his behavior
: > [{quoted}](name=RuFiot,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2018-10-30T09:23:39.607+0000) > > I think I remember the post you are referring too, it was the "channel magazine" one, right? > > Social issues which aren't closely related to Riot are forbidden, do you agree with that policy? (for example I can't start talking on abortion laws here) > > Do you agree that trolls (I don't think you are one) can use that rule *"Social issues which closely related to Riot are allowed"* and try to link between social issues which are not related to PAX to PAX, only so they can discuss on them ("PAX is happening meanwhile there is a group talking about giving men a voice in the abortion process"), I guess you can see the problem here? > > I think you shouldn't have got suspended, instead they should have explained to you, in detail, how to make sure your post is directly connected to PAX (what is the exact criteria), even maybe giving you the option on discussing your post with them in discord/boards-discussion before posting it, to help you understand how they decide on what is directly related and what is not. I was only showing it because it was showing how ridiculous the difference is. We have an instance of ACTUAL sexism here but because it's against men, people are okay with it and Riot stands by it and they're happy. Meanwhile you have a case where they claim sexist because of the magazine a woman is reading in an ad and they're able to get an apology for that. Like look at that difference. Actively banning men is fine but god forbid she chose that magazine herself and the "feminists" get in an uproar.
Those are some good points on why your post was about social issue which are closely related to Riot, try to talk about it in "Discuss the Boards" while showing what was your original post, I think the point is to decide on what is considered closely related and what is not, and if your post do was closely related you will be able to post it again
Vexilus (NA)
: What are the greatest moments you had in a League game?
When I try some champ in some role/rune and it turn out to be insanely good and I start to insanely hard smash the lane and the games
: Laptop with i7 7700 HQ and GeForce 1070 getting low fps spikes under 120 fps
In my laptop I have 2 graphic cards, one the integrated circuit that comes with the CPU and the other my Nvidia GPU, In my case all the outputs (mDP, HDMI, etc.) are connected to the integrated one, so although my GPU and monitor supports 120hz refresh rate I can't achieve it cause my integrated one doesn't, maybe it is what causing problems in your case too Another thing, I guess you have tried to play with the video settings in game, but in the "Interface" tab try to untick the "Enable HUD animations" it helped me
: Back from a 2 week ban. Riot still sexist hypcorites. More news at 11.
I think I remember the post you are referring to, it was the "channel magazine" one, right? Social issues which aren't closely related to Riot are forbidden, do you agree with that policy? (for example I can't start talking on abortion laws here) Do you agree that trolls (I don't think you are one) can use that rule *"Social issues which closely related to Riot are allowed"* and try to link between social issues which are not related to PAX to PAX, only so they can discuss on them ("PAX is happening meanwhile there is a group talking about giving men a voice in the abortion process"), I guess you can see the problem here? I think you shouldn't have got suspended, instead they should have explained to you, in detail, how to make sure your post is directly connected to PAX (what is the exact criteria), even maybe giving you the option on discussing your post with them in discord/boards-discussion before posting it, to help you understand how they decide on what is directly related and what is not.
: > [{quoted}](name=DotEleven,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=RAwdoG3V,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-10-29T23:02:16.342+0000) > > Yup, 2 weeks for posting a link to an article. And they justify that because I was banned for a day before for posting that Riot should only hire the females from telltale games until it's 50/50 because it's in the name of female empowerment. > > Edit: Oh, and bonus point because after it only being one particular mod who had been removing my stuff I called it out on his bias after he left others up (like the person calling me conservative staying while removing me saying I'd probably lean democrat or the one bringing up the alt-right) it just so happens that suddenly a different mod who banned me this time. Let me take a wild guess, Ulanpo? Because I've seen him ignore stuff in double standard fashion because he agreed with it.
>Let me take a wild guess, Ulanpo? > >Because I've seen him ignore stuff in double standard fashion because he agreed with it. They against naming them in public https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/WtmLPaUu-herald-said-you-can-do-something-than-i-got-ticket-doing-it and if you are doing a case against him, maybe this will help - https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/53X8MfAi-i-dont-think-the-content-removal-reason-is-correct
: Just had a match against Professor Akali.
I see the nerfs to Akali hit him hard
ßunnıe (NA)
: Will the Real Gamers please stand up.
Team flaming - mute them Team playing bad - Tell us how you think Riot can work on their matchmaking About the "what a surprise XXXX got a new skin and now she suddenly op" - Possible do you have a solid proof? how can we avoid it in the future? P.S. > they are the most corrupted. Are you framing Riot? I said the IFS is just one big SJW propaganda (I've explained why in my comment) and my comment was deleted, reason after I inquired - cause I've framed Riot, just letting you know
Saibbo (EUW)
: Riot 200iq anti-spoiler measurements
RIGGED RIGGED RIGGED RIOT ALREADY KNOW THE OUTCOME
: I understand his point, i just disagree. If he is playing with a team of worse players then he is playing against worse players, I used to play a lot of support and my suggestion is to force your team to carry, make great engages, harass the enemies out of lane, keep people alive, etc. Sorry if i came off as rude, just trying to help.
Do you agree that " force your team to carry, make great engages, harass the enemies out of lane, keep people alive, etc." is harder than just "playing solid" - ward where you should, roam correctly, make ok engages, make even trades (not harass out of lane), peel your carry Maybe "playing solid" is enough to keep him in gold if he is already there, but it isn't enough to get out of silver, If so I think he asks Riot to make that he could achieve his "I can maintain this elo by playing solid" elo after a lot of games
: If you belong in a higher rank you will get there, if you belong where you are you will stay. And feeders, afk's, belonging in bronze, lmao that is every rank
I think he is trying to say that if you will put him in higher gold games with good players he will be able to maintain that elo, The problem is he can't climb out Maybe try to play hard carry supports, I'm playing Shen sup these days and he can carry/smash lane pretty hard in lower elos
: Armored bears were a mistake
Voli-bear? more like voli "I have no idea what his abilities are", "what that little paw on him means", "from were all that healing comes from", "I heard loud noise and my screen is grey now, what happened?" ######Wasn't that domain taken by those companies which sell it in higher prices? how much that domain cost you?
Ulanopo (NA)
: >And saying Riot is trying to shape us (social) to not be "toxic" in standards they made on their own isn't closely related to Riot? But that's not what you said. Do you not understand that framing is the primary issue here? If you had said, "I think the way Riot programs the IFS to detect and respond to "toxicity" focuses too much on things that aren't really a problem and are reflective of a disconnect between them and the community" **we wouldn't be having this conversation**.
That what I said in my post plus the addition - answer on "why?" why I think Riot did the system like that, propaganda was my answer, and the "why" is integral part of the conversation, **if you accept your lines then you must accept different, closely related, answers on "why", a point without "why" is just not a full one and leave the reader with doubts**
Keyru (NA)
: Boards Moderation Discord Verification
: Nope acutally i reached honor level 3.2 or smth like that ^^
Interesting.. I've asked for support to send my reports, i won't be surprised if it will look the same as yours, I have a theory that just before the milestones they give you series of hard games (with players who tilt and flame you non-stop) and if you manage to not flame and stay positive you get that milestone, the data may slightly support that
: I received my Reportstats
Have you achieved honor level 5? I was mildly toxic and passive aggressive the whole season and got it (in the very very end)
: > [{quoted}](name=mlm olo mlm,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=WtmLPaUu,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-27T17:52:34.082+0000)I call that off topic personally. (They were off topic, not you.) It was the thread OP asking a follow-up question to me in a thread specifically about wondering how to get oversight on a moderation decision. It was not off-topic. > Devils advocate: Certain moderators might have more "influence" than others. Some take more actions than others, so yes. That's what a volunteer team means. Others have more authority than others -- i.e. the Heralds. We take concerns about us to the rest of the Herald team and directly to our Riot contacts.
Unrelated (seems an overkill to open a new discussion over a little question ) - If I'm not satisfied from an answers I got from an Adviser about some tickets, can I ask for someone higher in the chain to look at the case and give his opinion/ruling ?
RuFiot (EUW)
: Herald said you can do something than I got ticket doing it
Fine by me, in-conclusion post - **Herald sentence** you can mention a moderator by name and explain why you are not happy with him **Me inferring** from this that you can publicly say you are not happy with the moderator ( mentioning his name in that context was like I said I'm not happy with him) if you have a good reason for doing that (even without explanation) e.g. for the intention of gathering more data, **Rational - Why I think it is reasonable to infer that - ** in both cases we are mentioning a person in a bad (not personal) context to achieve a productive conversation about him, in the Herald case it is the productive conversation step in my case it is a preparation step to the productive conversation. From the comments and after thinking about it a little I got **problems with my Rational** - Reminding a person in a bad context suppose to be a delicate matter and a public preparation step is not in place, also people can use the reason of "preparation step, gathering data" to, like the herald said, piggy-backing on legitimate posts to insult people, while they don't really want the data, they just want to insult.
: > [{quoted}](name=RuFiot,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=WtmLPaUu,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-27T17:19:51.294+0000) > > To join forces with the comment op and share data, is this tone considered toxic by you? Join forces to do what? You didn't share. You were asking for data on a specific person. I'm not convinced you didn't have negative motives. I do not agree that mods should be proactive and inferring motives before they even show. Neutral should be allowed.
from my original post - > I asked cause I wanted to give him some more material and offer my help in his case against him cause I think the same as him,
: > [{quoted}](name=RuFiot,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=WtmLPaUu,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-10-27T16:23:48.155+0000) > > Yes it is. > > Yeah I didn't think on that, I guess I even was respectful :D I can see a slight lead. However, the lead was neutral. Any future comments you would have made would have set the tone. What was your motive for identifying this particular mod? EDIT: sorry I said Rioter instead of mod
To join forces with the comment op and share data, is this tone considered toxic by you? Edit: in my original post - > I asked cause I wanted to give him some more material and offer my help in his case against him cause I think the same as him,
: Also not in a respectful way. Alternatives could have been as simple as "What mod is it?" That is probably the best approach instead of specifically naming a moderator with a first post. Probably similar to someone making a post complaining about posters some may consider troll and me going "Is one of them RuFiot?" (As an example; I don't actually think you are a troll). Another alternative could be expanding the post. "I have also had some issues with moderation, specifically with Ulanopo. Exampels of such include x, y, and z. (Or a link to a post you made)". Now, there is a chance that you could get a flag for attempt to hijack the thread. As, and correct me if I am wrong, the thread was more focused on who monitors moderators and their actions. As opposed to specifically talking about specific moderators and their actions. So it is probably more a wrong place to specifically call someone outl.
> Alternatives could have been as simple as "What mod is it?" That is probably the best approach instead of specifically naming a moderator with a first post I agree, that approach is better, I would have avoided mentioning him in a bad context and still getting my answer, but still, I wasn't disrespectful and the Herald said we can mention them in a bad context (it wasn't personal contex, just that he was bad), don't punish me on not seeing a better option. > Probably similar to someone making a post complaining about posters some may consider troll and me going "Is one of them RuFiot?" I'm glad you see that I'm not a troll, It considered name shaming on a player, you mentioning a specific name in a bad context. I got it is ok on a mod from the herald comment. > Another alternative could be expanding the post "I have also had some issues with moderation, specifically with Ulanopo. Exampels of such include x, y, and z. (Or a link to a post you made)". You can infer that I had issues with him from my comment, so I guess the added examples are what make it more respectful? why? its not like we are going to open a discussion on him there, and you can mention them in a really mildly bad context (he just say he don't liked his moderation, nothing personal) > So it is probably more a wrong place to specifically call someone outl. So ticket on threadjacking, I'm not sure 1~2 mildly-irrelevant comments are considered jacking and I got ticket on something (in my eyes) much worse - Naming and Shaming.
: > Is this moderator named Ulanopo ? That is the only thing the moderators removed? That is not being disrespectful. Hell, it's being respectful because it doesn't jump to conclusions.
> That is the only thing the moderators removed? Yes it is. > That is not being disrespectful. Hell, it's being respectful because it doesn't jump to conclusions. Yeah I didn't think on that, I guess I even was respectful :D
Ulanopo (NA)
: >I'm not sure what they do in Rhetoric and Debate classes, I think learning on logic systems and on how to prove things and what it is a proof is enough (**not that I have done this**), that seems to me more of a mathematical subject than anything (emphasis mine) That's the point right there, really. You haven't learned how to properly debate, so you kind of flail about. That's why you make comments like "getting tired from your style of just boldly stating the opposite of the truth as a fact" as though you were in the sole possession of the truth. It's why you're getting frustrated and why you take comments like "It's also garbage argumentation" personally. In case you were curious, formal logic _is_ very much like math. It even has a [set of symbols](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_logic_symbols) similar to those used in mathematics. We're talking about rhetoric, though, specifically as a component of [dialectic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic). That's more of a semi-formal discussion, one of the main rules of which is that the participants shouldn't resort to fallacies or disingenuous tricks. if you want to learn more, you should look up things like Red Herring, Gish Gallop and Argumentum ad Populum. Ultimately, your post was based in an Ad Hominem. A proper thesis would have centered around defining what the IFS targets and analyzing how Riot benefits from the actions it takes. It is, after all, a tool that they created. If one wishes to make the argument it's working badly, one should start there.
Of course a full blown text that just skip on ALL the main points and straight to some way of attack, your comments are LITERALLY spam. (do you "Red Herring" me?) > In case you were curious, formal logic ... I think I have a good grasp on what formal logic is, this book - "mathematical logic ian chiswell and wilfrid hodges" (free online) I'm in the last main chapter, 7 And I have wrote my fair share of mathematical proofs (outside that book), I guess I'm actually more close to what I think people should do, but I didn't read or took a course on "The are of mathematical proof", just some other math subjects which required proofs, so I guess I have a grasp of what proof and logic are. > That's the point right there, really. You haven't learned how to properly debate, My point is that "Dialect" (the main component in rhetoric that holds value if you are not an ass ) will come naturally if you just do logic and proofs, Herring, Gish Gallop and Argumentum ad Populum are all under rhetoric but they are just garbage which any normal thinking person that know what a proof or logic is will spot in an instance. > That's why you make comments like "getting tired from your style of just boldly stating the opposite of the truth as a fact" You can't have a normal conversation, you just stating what I think is wrong as **a fact** the **fact** part is the problem not me thinking that I'm right, I explain why I think I'm right, I touch the whole points, **you on the other-hand just stating you views as "facts"** (what is the term for that behavior in rhetoric? "Ulanopolum?") > It's why you're getting frustrated and why you take comments like "It's also garbage argumentation" personally. Yes keep defending your "It's also garbage argumentation." (you didn't explain why it is garbage) , it is just toxic and unproductive get over it, there is no issue of if I take it personally or not, you don't explain/proof/logic anything just state them, and btw it really hard to get offended by that.. i'm playing LoL people do it there all the time (and get banned for it). > Red Herring, Gish Gallop and Argumentum ad Populum. Was interesting, at least I can give names to the sht you pull > Ultimately, your post was based in an Ad Hominem. And again stating the main point as a fact without explanation. You are a moderator start acting like one.
: Wait, so who holds the Heralds accountable then?
I believe it is clear that for most part they are the judges of themselves, and sometimes go for some old Riot moderators for advise (like they were some just moderators or something.. probably they were the same if not worse) Only if the boards could hold them accountable, maybe more transparency in their work, like if we can see all the tickets and they have clear rules they should follow and not some broad guidelines where everyone can do whatever, maybe then we could have just proved their actions don't make sense or revert tickets
Rioter Comments
Taloba (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=RuFiot,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NlE5hqIe,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-10-26T20:44:59.010+0000) > > imo these are really good for beginners {{champion:103}} {{champion:1}} {{champion:99}} {{champion:50}} {{champion:91}} especially {{champion:50}} is Xin Zhau pretty good? if I so happen to spell the champion name right this champion... {{champion:5}} lol
I think the most important part is to play on a champion which you enjoy, just pick one that you have fun to play with (whatever reason it maybe) and you will learn the game thru him (and have fun in the process) I suggested champion that relatively safe and not so hard mechanically (so I chose only ranged (talon w is like ranged..)) thinking you will be more effective in your games hence will enjoy playing them more, so look at that list as - champions that I maybe have a bigger chance to have fun with So "is Xin Zhau pretty good?" if you enjoy playing him then defiantly yes imo P.S My all time favorites are {{champion:67}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:164}}, I used to really like {{champion:412}} {{champion:7}}
Ulanopo (NA)
: >And saying Riot is trying to shape us (social) to not be "toxic" in standards they made on their own isn't closely related to Riot? But that's not what you said. Do you not understand that framing is the primary issue here? If you had said, "I think the way Riot programs the IFS to detect and respond to "toxicity" focuses too much on things that aren't really a problem and are reflective of a disconnect between them and the community" **we wouldn't be having this conversation**.
I will respond on that little bit later, I'm under the weather and getting tired from your style of just boldly stating the opposite of the truth as a fact
Ulanopo (NA)
: Dude, I went to bed, then I went to work. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
No, you bed -> work -> forums -> ignoring me -> prob bed ->work -> forums -> answering me Your profile history shows it.
Ulanopo (NA)
: >Ticket Two I'm not even going to try and parse your examples, as they're completely beside the point. "Lyte is an adulterer, so the IFS is broken" is an [ad hominem. ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem), rendering your comment moot. It's also garbage argumentation. If you had attended the same high school I did (or its equivalent, I'm aware you're in EUW), you would have had to take a semester of Rhetoric and Debate. Attempting that argument would have earned you an automatic "fail" for that unit.
#Ticket Two The main point is you saying that it is obvious I said - > Lyte is an adulterer, so the IFS is broken And me saying that it is obvious I said - > All I have found is irrelevant stuff, can you provide future direction? What is left is to show that it is obvious I didn't say that and anyone that didn't only skim the conversation will get that - **The data**, (fact) the conversation itself Me: IFS is biased and the creators enforce their agendas on it (gist) Person: hey, check Lyte's comments about the IFS you will probably find an agenda there (gist) ME: "**All I have find** on him is people **accuse him** in cheating on his fiance with 3 different women lol wtf" **Lets assume I want to say - "Lyte is an adulterer, so the IFS is broken", ** Why even say the word **accuse him**? _"accuse him"_ means he maybe didn't do it and he is innocent and it just weakening the state of mind you think I have, ( moreover as ad hominem I would never use "accuse" I would just say he is guilty ) If I wanted to say "Lyte is an adulterer, so the IFS is broken" why didn't I just say it? why didn't I say something in the lines of - "yep.. the guy who made the IFS is a sex addict NOICE.. explains a lot about the IFS" and why don't I have the ",so the IFS is broken" part in my comment? You just saw is the line "All I have found is Lyte being an adulterer" in a context of IFS talk and **assumed out of no-where that we have a cause and effect relation**, **cause you don't read the comments you just giving out tickets** I get that you are busy and have life and don't have time for this, so maybe stop moderating on till you will have more time? **A lot of problems with your version**, but all fits perfectly to my version "All I have found is irrelevant stuff, can you provide future direction?" > PersonA: the cheese is in the fridge > PersonB: all I see in the fridge is chocolate > Do you think personB is trying to open a conversation about chocolate? **A normal person who did more then skimming will get that immediately**,he will get immediately that there isn't any cause and effect relation hint in the comment, **just admit you had a mistake and delete my ticket already** P.S > I'm not even going to try and parse your examples, as they're completely beside the point. You basically said here - "I will ignore the main point", they are the whole point and it obvious that it is the case in my comment. > It's also garbage argumentation. ... Insulting and without explanation (on why they are "garbage"), I'm reporting that toxic comment... I'm not sure what they do in Rhetoric and Debate classes, I think learning on logic systems and on how to prove things and what it is a proof is enough (not that I have done this), that seems to me more of a mathematical subject than anything
: > [{quoted}](name=RuFiot,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=PduAhgeR,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2018-10-26T20:34:47.194+0000)example - "but there is indeed oversight on our actions both internally and from Riot" there can be some minimal oversight, maybe some general guidelines, some big decisions, the *big picture* stuff and that is it, probably they trust you, bunch of capable wo/men with respectable resumes, and let you to do most of the stuff yourselves. Roughly accurate, yes. That is indeed oversight however. They are aware of this board in particular. Additionally, I have personally brought threads critiquing my actions or comments TO them, and when I do they are always free to take what actions they feel are appropriate, up to and including removing me from the program if they see fit. >is that oversight is what I meant as an oversight... If you meant "do they personally vet every action," then no -- they'd just do moderation themselves at that point. > Yes, till a better model of work will come and you will have new standards to fill, with the current model you just doing whatever you want If that is what how you wish to believe moderation is working, then I don't believe I will be able to persuade you otherwise. You are entitled to your opinion, but at this point I don't think we have much else to discuss.
> Additionally, I have personally brought threads critiquing my actions or comments TO them, They let this place run like that, at this point I'm not so sure they even know what they are doing > If that is what how you wish to believe moderation is working, I guess you saw my last post on the tickets I got, I don't *believe* I see it done to me > I don't believe I will be able to persuade you otherwise. No persuading needed when you have a proof or a nice working system
Taloba (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=ZevBenjamin,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=NlE5hqIe,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-10-26T15:10:28.646+0000) > > Foolish youth. This game is about destroying your enemies and spamming your mastery. > > Jk. :D Welcome to league, what champions and roles do you like the most? > ######im not joking. xD that made me laugh lmao, my champion so far I was being is Brand, but roles that interest me hmm idk I think something that can attack enimies more upfront but then again sometimes shooting them from a distance could be better but yea im a noob so I got no clue I been facing bots so yea :p
imo these are really good for beginners {{champion:103}} {{champion:1}} {{champion:99}} {{champion:50}} {{champion:91}} especially {{champion:50}}
: > [{quoted}](name=RuFiot,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=PduAhgeR,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-10-26T19:40:21.541+0000)"All internally, we all know Riot never here so **we** run it and I will never be too harsh on my buddy, that I personally recommended cause I think he is a great guy, and you know what, boards members, with the correct system you can't prove sht :D" For what it's worth, I knew *nobody* in the program prior to joining, and at every point I've seen where we needed to make a call on whether or not someone would join those who knew them personally excused themselves from the vote. Also, our Riot contacts are a bit more involved than you think. You can believe me or not as you see fit, but there is indeed oversight on our actions both internally and from Riot. At some point you may need to accept the fact that, while we do make the occasional errors (and try to fix them when they occur), we *do* have Riot's approval on our moderation practices.
> For what it's worth, I knew nobody in the program prior to joining, and at every point I've seen where we needed to make a call on whether or not someone would join those who knew them personally excused themselves from the vote. Also, our Riot contacts are a bit more involved than you think. Yes he excused himself from the vote, but hey you all know he wants him in and he is your colleague and a good chance that you are even friends and you like the guy, but that don't matter, the selection processes is unimportant if the boards have the tools to **prove** some moderator is just bad, without any reasonable doubt. > You can believe me or not as you see fit, but there is indeed oversight on our actions both internally and from Riot. I don't think you are lying, your friends probably read those posts and you seems a bunch that prob appreciate honesty, they will probably look down on you if you will lie I guess that is good enough reason to convince me.. but tbh only dumb liars resort to lying, a good liar just say the truth but let you understand yourself the lie example - "but there is indeed oversight on our actions both internally and from Riot" there can be some minimal oversight, maybe some general guidelines, some big decisions, the *big picture* stuff and that is it, probably they trust you, bunch of capable wo/men with respectable resumes, and let you to do most of the stuff yourselves So did you told the truth? YES, riot do probably oversight on you, is that oversight is what I meant as an oversight, probably not, is that a smart lie? probably yes (Riot most likely trusts you and gives you a lot of freedom, so you are mainly moderating yourselves) The result is that the police are also the judges <- it was like that in some dark corner of humanity history > we do have Riot's approval on our moderation practices. Yes, till a better model of work will come and you will have new standards to fill, with the current model you just doing whatever you want
: > [{quoted}](name=RuFiot,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=3L1ytV9j,comment-id=000100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-26T19:15:29.683+0000) > > I&#x27;m sure you have read them both and I value your unexplained input do you actually want my input dude because we can totally talk about this via the league client, it would be a lot more constructive than talking on the boards, its easy to talk past eachother in this format for some reason
Why I have the feeling it is going to be a swearing contest there.. anyways,I'm from EUW I can't add you
: Who Holds These Moderators Accountable?
His texts (Djinn) is always the same, the gist of it is - *Moderators are humans, every case is different, context matters, you can't have set of rules only broad guidelines * Yes almost all correct, but that reasoning can also give them the ability to do whatever they want, and it basically like there are no rules or policies, the guidelines need to be much more strict, **inconsistent ruling is like there are no rules.** You see, the point is where do you draw the line of how much freedom you get as a moderator, to answer that you need to go to the nitty gritty aspects of it and give them a whole set of solutions to what they are already doing (I will try), so it little complicated, he is just using that complication to hide the point they just do whatever P.S > Even when we don't ultimately side with them, however, those posts ARE read, and we often discus them internally. "We run jokes on your (mine) cry baby posts internally" > Q: Who Holds These Moderators Accountable? > A: Our Riot contacts, the Heralds, and the other moderators. If any of us see consistent issues, we bring it up and take actions as needed. "All internally, we all know Riot never here so **we** run it and I will never be too harsh on my buddy, that I personally recommended cause I think he is a great guy, and you know what, boards members, with the correct system you can't prove sht :D" **The boards really need some way to moderate the moderators moderating.**
: in both linked cases mods were more than fair
I'm sure you have read them both and I value your unexplained input
rujitra (NA)
: I've been viewing the boards since before they were the boards (the old software). I have not seen this uptick you speak of. You seem to be unhappy since you violated the rules. I don't see how you can fault the moderators for that.
Did I violate the rules either? https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/53X8MfAi-i-dont-think-the-content-removal-reason-is-correct
Namîste (NA)
: I didn't see the post so I can't comment but every single moderator I've come across on here has been more then pleasant and fair in every situation I've seen. They are only human just like us so I"m sure emotions can take over but at the end of they day they do have the follow League of Legends TOS. In regards to what you said, remember it's the internet, things said in jest can be taken seriously. Yes telling someone to go delete their account is rude even if you meant it in jest so I can see why a moderator would have said something. Now I do agree that the said moderator should have handled it more politely but what is done is done.
Is that looks fair to you? - https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/53X8MfAi-i-dont-think-the-content-removal-reason-is-correct contex - I have an opinion different then his about the report/punish system (IFS) in the game.
: is bad moderation simply moderation that doesn't let you do what you want? also the mods can remove my comment if they like this is going a bit off track anyway
If you read my insanely big wall of text you will see what i mean in a bad moderation
: You gotta learn to deal with the fact that moderation exists in public forums bud, weather it be an alcoholics anonymous meeting or a place to discuss videogame balance. Don't like it? Make your own forums or go to forums that have zero moderation. I'm not going to read your wall of text, i have so many other things to do.
Yes moderation should exist, but not *bad moderation* >I'm not going to read your wall of text It's like 40 sec read, why even to answer if you are not even going to have a conversation and address the points, your comment is considered low effort and spam (you just admitted it), but hey you are pro moderation so I guess you can do here whatever you want
: This is a lie. Mundo only has the feels for Vayne. https://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/img/champion/splash/Vayne_4.jpg
Thats what happened after he cheated with Ahri
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: > [{quoted}](name=RuFiot,realm=EUW,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=3L1ytV9j,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-26T12:50:41.149+0000) > > And some of them have a good reason, see for yourself - > > https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/53X8MfAi-i-dont-think-the-content-removal-reason-is-correct lol thats not a good reason
I'm getting punished and ignored only for having different views from the moderation (the group in-charge here) what more do you want? here some more - Lately I saw that moderators defend that line ([source](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/27K66wgr-my-content-shouldnt-have-been-removedand-this-makes-absolutely-no-sense?show=flat&page=2) - > ... That said, most of the people complaining on these boards are, to put it mildly, assholes... That line just ridicules people like me who believe in their views may them be different and it gets full backup from moderation, don't think for a second that I can say this phrase and wont get a ticket for it. And when you say - "Ok it is the rules it the same for everyone" you realize that it is just not true, they say it themselves, it is always in the lines of - moderators are humans, they not always consistent, someone can punish on it but another can give a reason not to, every case is different. Yes, that is correct, but when the guidelines are too broad the moderator can just do whatever he wants, and it basically like there are no rules or policies, the guidelines need to be much more strict and give a definite answer to most of the regular cases, only the irregular ones should get special attention and get decided by the rules gist, inconsistent ruling is like there are no rules.
: some users are always going to be antagonistic towards mods on the basis that mods stop them from doing whatever foul shit that they want.
And some of them have a good reason, see for yourself - https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/53X8MfAi-i-dont-think-the-content-removal-reason-is-correct
Taloba (NA)
: Looking for Friends :3
So how is your league experience so far? people tell here that in lower levels you are usually stuck with the creme dela creme of toxic players (that got their account banned and leveling up a new one )
Ulanopo (NA)
: It's not for lack of trying, but you have to remember we're an all-volunteer team with real jobs, other hobbies and off days just like everyone else. This is also not a problem that can be solved by "just add warm bodies." Volunteers have to remain professional, fair and show consistently good judgment in what are, frankly, some pretty rough situations. Finding the middle ground between supporting the various communities want and what the Boards need is not a simple "click-and-remove" task. There's a lot of discussion and review that goes on behind the scenes. Lots of people don't qualify and lots of people burn out after a while.
And lots of mods that just do a bad job and take out a spot of someone who probably would have done a decent one or doing more harm than good and just piling up more work and antagonism towards the boards, I think that is one of the problems too
RuFiot (EUW)
: I don't think the content removal reason is correct
So I have patiently waited for Ulanopo to answer, it seems that he is active on the boards but chooses to ignore me, I think he did an **obvious mistake** and I'm waiting to someone to delete my tickets. Can someone above him in the chain handle it instead (or tell me that no one gonna handle it so I could go on and continue to support)?
: *Sitting here until maybe they'll ask for more boards staff*
It looks like they are in desperate need for more staff - https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/community-moderation/ZqLAo05t-why-are-you-deleting-the-thread-for-reasons-outside-the-authors-control?show=flat&page=2 congrats
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