: Is it safe to say now that the ADC rework was a complete and utter failure?
Both ADC reworks and itemization changes were failures. Third time's a charm, I hope.
Verxint (NA)
: Imagine if a melee champ got that kind of a defensive steroid...
: As much as I love Conqueror, it have to be nerfed
Wouldn't it be better if it gave lifesteal instead of the true damage. Helpful against tanks, yet not as oppressive.
Moody P (NA)
: garen Q isn't ranged and the bonus damage doesn't crit make an argument
: can we just not have gangplanks q apply on hit effects? yea, i know this includes sheen and hits his triforce builds, which has been part of him as long as he existed, but gangplanks q has historically been as much of an issue as ezreals q. he constantly finds a way to abuse toxic rune/item interactions with it. maybe just cut the bullshit. it can still crit as an ability, and you can increase the ad ratio to balance out the removal of the sheen procs, but maybe having a ranged ability like that being able to utilize certain procs as if it was a melee attack isnt working out so hot.
GP has always built the same items. I don't know what you're on about. Only thing he has every abused was Grasp and Kelpto, and maybe Runeglave.
: Mundo out-healing my ult with Grevious wound
Mundo's healing: (75% HP x 1.3) x 0.6 = 58.5% HP over 12 seconds or 4.875% per second. Mundo would have ~2700 HP at level 15 with Resolve runes and his items. That means he heals 131 HP per second from ult. Now passive: (0.3% of HP per second x 1.3) x 0.6 = 6 HP per sec. Now HP5: (18 + 18 + 18) x 1.3 = 70 or 7 hp per second x 0.6 = 4.2 HP per sec. Let's assume he has Second Wind. Calculating this is a bit hard, but we can assume he averages around half his HP. 6 + 4% of 1350 x 1.3 = 78 hp per 10s or 7.8 hp per second x 0.6 = 4.68 HP per sec. Now his MR: 48.7 + 55 + 55 = 158.7 MR. We can also assume that he got hit a few times or used a few spells, so lets give him 10% extra MR from his E. A total of 174.6 MR. Let's look at your MR pen. Just 33. Which brings his MR to 141.6. 141.6 MR reduces about 59% Magic damage. So, Mundo restores 146 HP per sec and reduces 59% magic damage. Say you have 300 AP, 260 from items and 40 from runes. We'll also assume that your {{item:3151}} is fully stacked. Your Ult will deal 275 + 240 damage = 515 damage and 10% + 3.75% over 2.5 seconds or 375.25 damage. {{item:3151}} deals 2% per sec since he is CC'd. So that's 5% HP damage or 135 damage. So with {{item:3151}} 's damage boost: Ult Beam: 566.5 Ult Pool: 412.8 Torment: 148.5 Now, Adaptive Helm. Since Ult ticks every 0.25 sec, total of 10 ticks, so 9 tick deal 80% damage = 82% damage or 464.5 damage. Since Pool tick every 0.5 sec, total of 5 ticks, so 4 ticks deal 80% damage = 84% damage or 346 damage. Since Torment ticks every 0.5 sec, total of 5 ticks, so 84% damage or 124.7 damage. Total of damage post MR: 383.4 damage... He heals for 365 over 2.5 seconds... So Mundo just takes around 12 damage... This goes to show a Healing anti-mage tank can out heal a mage without a Void Staff. Build Void Staff kids. If you had just Void Staff's passive, you would've dealt 41% more damage to him.
Fast Enough (EUNE)
: Dude took me 7months to get to honor lvl 2 from 0 and after I got it one day later I get banned.... So i think it is impossible to get to honor lvl 5 Also in the past they gave free skins bcs of their anniversary and now we are lucky if we get an icon
: > [{quoted}](name=PandaNator43,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=X3P0v1Vh,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2018-02-23T17:02:54.936+0000) > > Lethal Tempo was one of the Runes I was most excited for, but hasn't felt viable relative to the other Runes. I'd love to see something fulfill the "flurry of blows" play style. i too wish to roleplay as star platinum. https://78.media.tumblr.com/66f1f8fa7ef2baecf39a6086cde3e6cc/tumblr_n9a645JX891r2swomo2_r1_500.gif
: > Enemies will go crazy looking for her. Forming a man hunt while feeling unsafe because they know she is around in the shadows just waiting for them to split up. Not with this big ass reveal radius. > insane heal sustain HAHAHAHA. Only if you have a lots of ap. Otherwise it just useless. > The other notable thing is she can do some damage to tanks with her W MR pen. Her W plus the new void staff will be able to do 75% magic pen while dealing massive max health damage. After that she still has some sustain damage from her Q. Yea because we all know that assassin's job is to kill tanks. Also where the fk is her sustain on q? She has no sustain or at least in combat. > I don't get why everyone is complaining about EVE. Because is an assassin that hunts tanks, has no gap closer, shitty early, mediocre late, low burst and a bad bad sustain in jungle.
> Also where the fk is her sustain on q? She has no sustain or at least in combat. > After that she still has some sustain damage from her Q. OP said sustain *DAMAGE* not hp sustain.
Rockman (NA)
: Send Misfits your power
Or send them prayers to mourn for them.
: If season 8 doesn't make marksmen thoroughly weaker in practice than they are now
: Least favorite aspects of your favorite champions
Barrels are targetable, enough said.
: Oh my, those Steraks buffs!
They also made it Melee only, which screws over Urgot.
Ahris (NA)
: ? Trist has no ad skill except her e and she does extremely well as an adc. Any ranged champ can realisticly become adc and carry harder as long as they position well.
1) She gains bonus range 2) She has a powerful AS steroid 3) E does decent damage and has a 200% bonus AD scaling
: Static shiv is way better for ADC that Luden Echo is for Mages.
: @Lonewingy, Evelynn's hands trigger my arachnophobia and I think that's awesome
: Well jimbo, that'd be the consistently-broken ADCs that are complained about constantly, and the key presses that make them broken
Holy shit, you guys are completely delusional. When ADC's become an OP class, everyone now throws blame at random stuff. From "Supports are OP" to "Tanks are weak" to "Ad items are too good and cheap" to "ADCs have broken kits". If ADCs had broken kits, why were they considered the least impactful class until the late game? Perhaps it was due to their expensive itemization?
ADC Bard (NA)
: tyler1 quits league
: ^ This one is an adc main that doesnt want mages to be powerful.
^ This one is a mage main that wants freelo.
: Yet Tanks have the right to AP mage items and ADC's have the right to assassin and Bruiser items
> Tanks have the right to AP mage items I don't really see that happening, though. > ADC's have the right to assassin and Bruiser items Because, AD itemization is so varied that AD items can be built on any champion that uses ad, and that's what I'm personally against and it shouldn't happen with AP itemization.
: My (long) list of ideas for an AP itemization update
I think those are a bit too much, mages shouldn't be able to opt-into tanky items. Maybe they're good for AP bruiser, but we only have 3 of them in game, only 3. Also, you've completely missed the point of distinction between flat mana and mana regen. Flat mana is meant for Mages, while mana regen is meant for supports. Some ideas are unique, but most of them are overloaded. Also, you gave AP on-hit based champs alot of tools to work with, Helix Blade and Zephyr would be too powerful in a world where Gunblade and Nashor's exist.
Meddler (NA)
: Total Biscuits will still be in there, though in a somewhat different form.
We get to buy Poro Snacks and use them on ourselves? You heard it here first, boys!
: is PBE officially a ghost town now?
I, personally, only play PvP on the PBE for things like Pre-Season and Mid-Season updates, otherwise, I use the practice tool to try out new champs and reworks.
Meddler (NA)
: 7.22 is the plan, so should be early ish in November.
Wanted to ask if Runes Reforge are going to hit PBE before the other Pre-season changes (And will stay on PBE until 7.22), according to the latest Riot Pls?
Galiö (NA)
: I tried. I dont like any of them. Only other i enjoyed was kassadin pre rework. Also the community part is the toxicity. When you have a champion you enjoy you can overlook part of it. When yoi dont the issues become more glaring.
> Also the community part is the toxicity. That's not the whole community's fault. It's mainly due to the fact that no-one takes Flex Q seriously or they just play there for groups of >2. Try other game modes or just try to play blind/normal-draft for the lulz. The game becomes more fun when you take it less seriously.
Galiö (NA)
: Galio rework made me realize
And what does the community have to do with this? And why is this getting upvoted? If you don't like the game anymore, try out a different game, or maybe even a different champion. There are 136 other champions, there must be one that you could find enjoyable.
: {{champion:51}} W+AA+EQ+AA+Ult {{champion:29}} QWR+AA+AA+AA+AA+AA+AA+E {{champion:18}} EQ+AA+AA+AA+AA+W+W (out) {{champion:498}} Nuff said {{champion:67}} 3-hit passives are cancer {{champion:119}} Passive and Q ensure that one kill in lane, and Draven's fed
What does that mean? You basically listed out ADC combos. Only thing that made sense is the Draven one, rest is just meaningless.
: Pick any ADC. There you go.
Yes, because ADCs are broken, not the their itemization. Edit: Yes. downvote me for telling the truth.
: Star Guardian Poppy looking sad because she's the only one without a familiar.
Apparently, her hammer does have sentience. Though, it's just a hammer.
: So, according to the boards: A Juggernaut with {{item:3047}} {{item:3071}} {{item:3022}} {{item:3065}} {{item:3143}} {{item:3075}} and a huge HP bar is not a tank because it's not Mao'Kai. This is why I can't take posts in this place seriously {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}}
Juggernauts lack CC and mobility, something traditional Tanks have a lot of it. What OP probably means that they're not meant to play like Vanguards or Wardens, as they can neither peel nor engage properly. Yes, there are some Juggernauts, like Darius, Yorick, and Urgot, that have CC or peel, it's usually not enough compared to someone like Galio or Alistar. Also, most tanks have powerful tank steroids, like % damage reduction or shields, while Juggernauts have sustain instead.
: We're currently not offering Spell Vamp exactly. We do have an rune that offers "omnivamp" (like Gunblade).
Wait, what about Ravenous Hunter? AFAIR, it gave up to 10% spell vamp.
: I really appreciate this, bud. I'll admit it can get emotionally draining sometimes answering questions especially when people are laying out all their negative feelings. But we owe you guys good communication. Anyway, thanks again.
> [{quoted}](name=Riot Cactopus,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=nXlJYxE6,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-09-06T04:26:46.779+0000) > > I really appreciate this, bud. I'll admit it can get emotionally draining sometimes answering questions especially when people are laying out all their negative feelings. But we owe you guys good communication. > > Anyway, thanks again. Replying to you because I want to tell you thanks for having to deal with "entitled veteran players". I can't imagine having to deal with all these rant posts.
: > [{quoted}](name=Spank the Fox,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=77xn4w4g,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-03T16:17:41.576+0000) > > Are you always a dissenting twat? > i want to do something right now but unlike you i will get banned because mods ban me for being toxic, but not the other people > [{quoted}](name=Spank the Fox,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=77xn4w4g,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-03T16:17:41.576+0000) > > You've basically already made it clear you play well under the average league player does question mark? ask me something related to the original thread and i will answer. Post something else that is unrelated to the original post and i will ignore it. good day sir
>i will get banned because mods ban me for being toxic, but not the other people Wow, you must be very delusional if you think everyone, from mods to Riot, hate you specifically? No, you're not a victim of injustice.
La Bello (NA)
: just take the magic boots one. it gives more movespeed than normal if you make it past 10 mins
Also, Relentless Hunter grants you 10 ms out of combat per unique kill. Panic! grants you 10% ms towards allies that are CC'd or enemies that you CC.
Rioter Comments
Porocles (NA)
: Blue is the new....IP? Click here for FAQ!
One question, are the Runes Reforged changes hitting PBE (And I assume they'll stay on the PBE for quite a while) before the other preseason changes, according to what Joe (new001) mentioned?
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: September 1
One question, are the Runes Reforged changes hitting PBE (And I assume they'll stay on the PBE for quite a while) before the other preseason changes, according to what Joe (new001) mentioned?
: The problem with blue essence for a reward...
Someone not complaining on the boards, thank you. Also, Riot, thank you as well. I really love where S8 is going, and I've been playing since early S2.
: I think the definition of Enchanter is someone who has spells that they cast directly on other champions that heals, shields, or buffs them in some way. Bard should not be casting his heal directly onto people except in emergencies.
That's not really a convincing reason... His W is still a healing and a speed boost ability, he povides utility through his E and Ult, and has CC on his Q. I think he fits the criteria of an enchanter.
: Revert Aatrox to prior "mini rework"
Seems like everyone here forgot he is getting a full gameplay update?
Nymzo (NA)
: Been also a long time since a pure Enchanter, last one was {{champion:267}}
Wrekzzz (NA)
: Runes Corner: Late-Game Focused Runes
Hey, cool stuff! I wanted to ask if you are going to tackle Precision Path next time? We only know about Berserk, and possible Perfectionist.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: August 29
https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/ekz9hAl4-inspiration-keystone-rune-idea-greenfathers-blessing-runes-reforged I had an idea for a Inspiration Keystone: ability to place jungle plants anywhere. My concept is not perfect, but I know you guys can nail it.
: After 5 years of League, I am calling it quits at the end of the season.
Good, that's one less person nagging on the Gameplay section.
Rioter Comments
: The more I know about rune changes, the less I'm excited for s8...
Here we go. Boards is gonna start whinning about the runes. First, they complain about how Riot balances around proplay and now they complain how Riot releases gimmicky stuff to please casual player. Now, I'm just gonna sit back and enjoy the show as the Gameplay section starts jumping on the 'new runes will start a shitshow in s8' bandwagon as they one of the posts hit the top. Now, I know I'm gonna be downvoted, but I'm gonna say this: You've seen all the runes yet and you are already crying about it as though it is on live. Give it time. Let it hit PBE then you may start judging whether it is good or not. Just like the plants intruduced in s7. Also, I think that the Gameplay section should stop posting threads about things that aren't even in the game yet, or nothing to donwith it.
: DO NOT PLAY ORNN RIGHT NOW
Shouldn't this be at "Report A Bug" section?
gregab (NA)
: Runes Corner: Guardian Soul
Are you considering a Stoneborn Pact replacement?
: We need skins that just have every champ wearing a Mundo mask on their face.
: I've tried several of my champions against Urgot and have yet to find one that can actually handle his 1v1.
Try range champions or ones that can kite. I found GP good at kiting him around.
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