: I'm not sure whether this is okay or not, although, when in doubt, I'd suggest erring on the side of caution. The idea of a death march of any kind throws up red flags for me, and I'm not sure if the system agrees or not.
riot is a joke and the system is broken
Xidphel (NA)
: It didn't. That's why it was discontinued. Ok. It DID but it took months. IFS is faster and more accurate.
it did ... it was the best system ... the only problem was the player data base and the spam of reports they got ... so riot made a lazy system that bans u based on the words u said ... doesn't matter the context so yea
Culinary (NA)
: Honor level 2 in order to get ranked rewards.
riot is a joke u got nothing to worry about ...
Fegone (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=SalBunny,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=RtfXVHk3,comment-id=0004000000000000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-11T02:10:00.997+0000) > > half an year playing 5-10 games a day yes i think it's a lot That's half a year . That's nothing. It doesn't matter the number of games. At least not significantly. Being reformed over a longer period of time with some continuous games counts way more than being reformed over a large number of games in a short period of time. For instance, if you say "I've been reformed for 100 games" that could mean either you played a game a day and thus were good for 3 months. Or it could mean that you were playing 10 games a day and thus only have been reformed for a little over a week. Everyone can hold his shit together for a week. That's why reforming is not about # of games, it's about the time involved. And thus: No, 6 months is NOTHING.
im not making your point invalid ... i think in the same way ... but hundreds of games ... means hundreds of different experiences and tested my ability to behave .... im not saying 1 week ... 6 months it's a lot ... ofc 2 years it's way more ... but 6 years playing non stop it's a lot
: > [{quoted}](name=SalBunny,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=w73pgdZX,comment-id=000100000000000000000002,timestamp=2018-07-12T17:53:14.554+0000) > >[DELETED CONTENT REMOVED - ULANOPO] you seem like the kind of person who is chatbanned
but u understand the difference ? that's the question here
: Frankly I agree with you. I simply think that zero tolerance policy is stupid. I'm not a criminal and won't accept to be threated as such. What's wrong with saying "hey we know you get frustrated at times but please think about others as well. Next time we will suspend you for negative behavior if you continue with this type of behavior. Have a nice day", Sounds much better than instantly getting suspended for 14 days and losing any chance at ranked rewards.
i hope someone from riot sees this ..... RIOT IS A JOKE
: How to fix ranked play!
state of mind changes in a day a lot of time ... u can be pissed and on a losing streak then get motivated and carry the next game so even if u think or believe that doesn't work like that alright let's try to work with that : so what u are saying is to ask the company to make people not to play their game ? ( NOT flamers or asides ... totally normal people) just because they are having a bad game ...
Fegone (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=SalBunny,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=RtfXVHk3,comment-id=00040000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2018-06-28T17:17:01.906+0000) > > i said " even mundo said u suck " After 6 months of exemplar behaviour and still got banned ... > was it fair ? not ! > i never was racist or something related And you think 6 months is a long time? oh boy....
half an year playing 5-10 games a day yes i think it's a lot
Fegone (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=SalBunny,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=RtfXVHk3,comment-id=000400000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-23T18:23:49.591+0000) > > i accept the rules but now and then u forget about the 0 policy and u say to someone u suck and that's it ur banned .... no one is perfect everyone does mistakes > and even tho we have the worst players riot uses this system but i still see the toxicity in the same level that was before Everyone makes mistakes, that is true. that's why when you say "you suck", you will get a 10 games chat restriction . not a ban. then when you make another mistake, you get a 20 games chat restriction. not a ban. then when you make another mistake you get a 14 day ban. not a permaban. only THEN if you make another mistake, you get permabanned. See, Riot gives you many many 2nd chances. However, if you say something worse, like something homophobic or racist, then this is not a mistake, but it mirrors you actual personality. And then you will get a harsher punishment right away, because unlike people who just make mistakes, we don't want people with that kind of mentality among us, to begin with.
i said " even mundo said u suck " After 6 months of exemplar behaviour and still got banned ... was it fair ? not ! i never was racist or something related
Raríya (NA)
: I was Perma Banned
send proof or it didn't happen i play this game since alpha and give a lot of money to it ... brought a lot of people .... i got 14 days suspension and after 6 months of a perfect clean record getting honor and etc ... i got banned for saying " Even mundo said u suck " riot told me i was acctually improving and possible reforming but the system works the way it does ... and they can't give second chances
: How close to permanent ban?
well i got 6 months with clean record ... i said to someone u suck and i was banned so idk ...
Fegone (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=SalBunny,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=RtfXVHk3,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-22T20:58:13.044+0000) > > you still not getting it ... > we accept the rules because we wanna play the game but they are retarded . > when it comes to this point it's stupid ... and why ? to stop flaming ? before riot didn't punish this hard ... but we still have the worst community I'm sorry to give you this reality check, but this is not how the world works. Not in video games, not in any other real world scenarios. You can't accept the rules and then break them in hopes of no repercussions. Better learn that lesson early than late, trust me. Nobody forces you to play this game. If you don't like the rules, don't play this game. If you want to play this game, you have to accept and play by the rules. Those are your only options. And your opinion that the rules are 'retarded' have zero impact on this reality. No matter how much and how loud you whine. One of your point is correct though, the LoL community is the worst among all games (at least among those I've played). And this is the reason the rules exist, to get rid of the worst kind of players. That means that there will be some rules you might not like, but you have to accept in order to play and keep playing the game.
i accept the rules but now and then u forget about the 0 policy and u say to someone u suck and that's it ur banned .... no one is perfect everyone does mistakes and even tho we have the worst players riot uses this system but i still see the toxicity in the same level that was before
Terozu (NA)
: Again almost all bs... For one thing i highly doubt you ever just 'Tell someone to play safe' gived your response to me includes saying you should be allowed to say kys, peesonally insulting me not once but three times, Calling me personally Bullshit, saying i suck Riot's dick, and then topping it off by calling me retarded. Your actual info is utterly wrong. Noone gets banned just for saying "you suck". You actually are able to say kys in different contexts btw, such as telling someone to die to turret. People do not just get punished for nothing. Thats a bs part of your comment. You are allowed to use kys in alternate contexts as long as noone finds it offensive. Thats a bs part of your comment. The system is not "oversensitive" just because it's 0 tolerance. It is like that for a reason. The behavior categorized as 0 tolerance is unacceptable, whether you like it or not. Thats a bs part of your comment. When I call you on it you spew more bs and insult me. Your comment is pure bs.
if u say u don't get flamed at for saying play safe ? u don't play the game and u are deluded ... or are higher then diamond 2 elo so yea i got banned even tho i was on my last warning and i totally understand .... i said you suck and was the only word the system tagged as offensive behaviour ( this was said by a rioter employee when i sent them a ticked )so yea don't talk if u don't know everything U ARE ACCTUALLY reported and banned by saying kys ... even tho in diferent context .... go watch the last thread on this boards in player behaviour and u will see for your self so ye ur bullshit i never said people are punished by nothing go read my post again i said almost nothing the system is oversensitive due to it's 0 tolerance on curse words in chat that's a rule that riot stated in the terms and conditions i insult u because u said i was talking pure bs just for the sake of it instead of presenting facts and talking like a real adult so yea ur bs and i don't like u
: I QUIT 14 ban for this? god riot is getting strict (mike is my friend BTW)
it can be labeled to punish should be ? no riot system is retarded and so are their rules
Fegone (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=SalBunny,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=RtfXVHk3,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2018-06-22T13:58:05.953+0000) > > we understand the concept but please HE SAID that she typed kill your self > now i can't say kill your self out of context ? because i will get banned ?jesus what this game has come to > > imagine i had a band and i was promoting my album KYS and i said in chat : " guys my band just went off go check my album kys in youtube it's death metal style " and a guys reports me just because he thinks i was playing bad and i get banned ? do you realize how retarded this is ? Do you realize that you hit the [I AGREE] button on the terms and conditions that states that this isn't allowed? Do you realize that you therefore should know the repercussions of breaking that rule? Do you realize that you knowingly broke a rule and then whine about not liking the punishment? Unless of course you didn't read the Terms and Conditions, and just blindly hit [ACCEPT], which is not Riot's problem then.
you still not getting it ... we accept the rules because we wanna play the game but they are retarded . when it comes to this point it's stupid ... and why ? to stop flaming ? before riot didn't punish this hard ... but we still have the worst community
Terozu (NA)
: Almost everything in your comment is bs...
played almost every competitive games for more then 100 hours and i'm active on their forums .... so that part is true ... i can't play 1 game without someone getting super triggered because i told them it was better to play safe and then starts trolling or something related ... so ye the community is bs compared to other onnline games i've seen people here in boards with chat logs like saying U SUCK and get banned for ever ? wtf ? that's just retarded ... if i say KYS in other context besides flaming ... i will get banned because the system is oversensitive so yea tell me what in my comment is bs ? do u suck riots dick to defend themselfs for fucking up the system ? u are bullshit ... not my comment next time u wanna say that try to enlight me and tell me in what part u disagree and present facts and opinions retard
Snowman Arc (EUNE)
: I do agree, but I also have a slightly different scenario in mind. The penalties need to be much much harsher. We don't need multiple warnings. 10-game chat ban, then 25 games, then 14-day suspensions and then a permanent ban. No. You are being a complete dick in the chat and flame people? 14-day suspension instantly. Let's see if you will ever be a dick again, if the next time you even spew anything else you get permabanned. Or, if someone is trolling, inting etc, perma ban them. No need for something like this to be in the community. It's not the heat of the moment or anything. It's pre-calculated and done with intent in mind. In the case of flaming, maybe we can give them ONE CHANCE, because of the benefit of the heat of the moment. MAYBE. But trolling and generally actions that are predetermined and precalculated need no chances. With that said, the part about trolling or inting can be hard to punish. There is no reliable system that will 100% guarantee if someone trolls, for example. That's why I do believe that we need manual monitoring of cases. We can have Riot employees watch games themselves and consider if someone is trolling or not. But that would only cover a very very tiny portion of the games played, right? Yes. Sadly, it's true. You can't cover up all games, you can't hire enough people to do that. What you CAN DO, though, is have someone watch for example 10 games a day. If the penalty is gonna be harsh, then you will get 10 people perma banned on that day. Next day, you do it again. Imagine having 10 people watching 10 flagged games daily and also assume that the community is decent enough to flag actual cases of trolling. This way, you will have 100 accounts getting permanently banned every day. With this in mind I'd like to guess some outcomes. 1) Accounts will get indefinitely suspended and be 100% fair. Good riddance. 2) Other players will look at that and say "oh, what if I just get unlucky and get caught? I will definitely be banned." This will dissuade them from thinking about trolling. As it stands right now, you can have machines operating 24/7, but it doesn't do much. Apart from the easy cases of racial slurs, which are cases that get penalized pretty instantly, the system can't really identify much of anything else. The only way that a troll will get penalized is if they get reported repeatedly and over a good percentage of their games. This means that, once a month, I can probably go ahead and completely troll a game and get away with it, which is unacceptable. Right now, the chance of being penalized about something is very low. Also, the penalty you receive is also pretty trivial in most cases. I'll give you an example: I have a friend who has an alt account. He delibirately lost all his 10 placement games this season to try and get to bronze. He didn't int, he didn't flame, he didn't AFK, he just didn't press his active items, didn't press R, wasn't around when teamfights were happening, he wasn't farming or ganking. From a system perspective, this will never ever be recognisable, even the players themselves might think that "oh, this Nunu is actually doing well, he has 0 deaths". So, how do you punish this case from an automated system? You can't. My friend got away with losing 10 games that he intentionally wanted to lose, but found a way to easily trick the system. This season, I started being very toxic, because of the game state and matchmaking. I just can't hold back anymore. It's sad, but it's true. I flame people in about half of my ranked games. The moment I see someone doing something extremely stupid that I ping them away from, and end up granting an advantage to the enemy because of it, I just flame them. And I do that a lot. Do you know how many punishments I've got? ZERO. FUCKING ZERO punishments. I go into passive-aggressive chats, I go into a lot of aggressive chatting with allies. I do seem to resemble some cases that appear on these boards occasionally about people wondering why they get chat restricted, and I see their chat logs and I see them literally spamming the chat with irrelevant garbage targeting other players and I 100% justify the penalty. Guess what. That's what I also do in half of my ranked games, and I still have not been penalized. This just proves that the system just doesn't work. I'd like to point out at this point that I have never said anything offensive that regards sex, races or homophobia, or threats / death wishes etc. Regardless, the system just doesn't work.
i agree but there's a difference from flaming as hell and just spew out some bad words because u are being flame at ... that's my POV so u can't just insta ban someone that says in the heat of the moment someone that they suck ... that's just retarded .... we are talking over a video game
Risen29 (NA)
: You're describing what right justice looks like, but then making excuses for why it's ok that LoL is unjust. But there is never an excuse for injustice. It never starts being right to be unjust to people. The responsibility is on Riot to act in a right and just way towards it's players.
JUSTICE is completly different from what riot does ... there's no excuse for you to say someone to shut up and telling them that they are whiny kids that suck when they are acctually trolling and spamming 24/7 KYS but there's attenuances that riot doesn't take in ..... there's no right for you to flame but .... there's a justice and riot doesn't care and we are still the most toxic community
Chermorg (NA)
: I'd also point out that not just in League but in every online community I've been a part of when you ask the community "is it okay if X" where X is the "he started it" or "he was worse" or related arguments, the community virtually always confirms they do not think toxicity is ever okay - not "if X" - never.
u are not getting the point ... in this onnline community people get often punished for almost nothing .... the system because of this 0 tolerance policy is over sensitive and still somehow league has the worst comunity in all games
Gall (NA)
: No video game has enough resources to have a full court and trial over a player behavior issue
one of the only zero tolerance game in what comes to flame but still the most toxic game in the world retarded riot
Snowman Arc (EUNE)
: You are asking for a permanent ban to not be permanent. Why would you get permanently banned then? Riot already gives you a big chance of reforming by giving you the 14-day suspension. If you don't reform by then, then sorry, but you're out of luck. You shouldn't be getting any more opportunities.
yea i mean when i got banned i was a kid ... i didn't fully understand the consequences of my action ... i wasn't stupid ... i just thought .. hey it's a video game who cares ? so yes since i acctually reform and learned to cope with my emotions i think i should get another chance ... and i think there are people out there that acctually been trought the same and when i got banned i was pretty calm .. i just said u suck now and then ... so i wasn't a toxic cancer kid Xd
: > [{quoted}](name=SalBunny,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7TYzUHII,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-06-17T13:42:51.982+0000) > > ideally ? who says that ? back 6 years ago toxic behaviour was only labeled to people that spammed cancer in chat and acctually abused on the curses ... now saying u suck is acctually enough for u to get a punishment ... and i don't agree with it since i was banned and acctually reformed ... i was a kid back then why can't i be a part of the community again shall i ask ? Obviously I say ideally, you asked for opinions and I gave mine and mine is that IDEALLY you'd never be part of the community again because you didn't learn from the first three warning riot gave you. and based on how you respond to peoples opinions that you've asked for I would say its extremely likely that your in the majority of banned players who don't become reformed.
as i said i don't fully agree with riot policy but it doesn't mean i don't understand it and accept it since i wanna play their game .... i have no problem with people opinions but when someone says i should not be a part of the comunity just because i was a kid back then and i didn't knew the consequences .... i wasn't retard or something ... i just wasn't convinced about this since it's a video game now that i grew and yes reformed someone tells me even then i should not be part of the comunity yes im gonna asnwer aggro on him just because i think common sense has a huge role in these scenarios and i totally disagree when someone gives an opinion that doesn't have a gram so to speak of common sense in it .... sry for my english btw i just think this way because people often forget there's acctually a person behind a keyboard ...
: I disagree there, most people are self-aware enough to know what they're saying is wrong in chat, not so much during a game with a "heat of the moment" feeling, but definitely after. If the feature showed your own messages after a game (kinda like when you get banned and it shows your logs) as well as not showing your messages at all I think it'd be extremely beneficial towards helping toxicity. Most people just want an emotional release, especially during League with how frustrating it can get. Not all people have punching bags or a good way to release their stress or other feelings, so they, unfortunately, take it out on others. Also, for you, it might be easy and not take a lot of willpower to not use the chat function, but for others, it's extremely hard to refrain from being toxic whether it's retaliating against an ass hole or yelling at somebody who's 0/10. I mean if it was that easy League wouldn't be so toxic now would it?
i totally agree with you ... but for me writing stuff down and press send acctually makes me less frustrated and eases my mind ... with this self mute this would be acctually possible withtout anyone getting hurt
: > [{quoted}](name=SalBunny,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7TYzUHII,comment-id=000600000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-17T17:43:20.379+0000)idk i just feel like losing an acc is too hard even tho yes u have more than 3 warnings from riot Most people who have been permanently banned feel this way, yes. But Riot's data has shown that offering additional chances doesn't meaningfully raise the rate of reform. At some point the responsibility rests upon the person repeatedly violating the rules, and not on the rules or the system in place.
still with the most sensitive system in toxic behaviour is the most toxic game i've played so far
: I'll leave forgiveness to the confessional. I'm a count, not a saint. http://daregop.com/wp-content/wverrors.php?getimage=aHR0cDovLzI1Lm1lZGlhLnR1bWJsci5jb20vdHVtYmxyX20xdDNreWhJSXgxcm9kbzRhbzFfMTI4MC5qcGc=
dam what an answer xD
: > [{quoted}](name=SalBunny,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7TYzUHII,comment-id=0006000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-17T17:21:06.091+0000) > > well but if those half of all banned players don't continue to play and come back and acctually reform ... that would be a gain The thing is this system would encourage the OTHER half to keep playing as well -- because they'd have the potential to get everything back. And, statistically, about 95% of them would fail, resulting in a net increase in toxicity. The long and short of it is that banned players have HAD chances already, and any system that gives them MORE chances has to find a way to do so that doesn't risk any increase in net toxicity, or it's harmful to players who have never done anything wrong.
well i can understand why it wouldn't work ... so the only thing i can figure it out is that ... that chance of getting it back is like super super super low and any negativity towards the game would make you lose this oportunity ... idk i just feel like losing an acc is too hard even tho yes u have more than 3 warnings from riot
: > [{quoted}](name=SalBunny,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=7TYzUHII,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2018-06-17T16:00:55.359+0000)> as u said the vast majority of players failed to show reform ... so they won't get their account > but there's a few minority that acctually learn the lesson and improve ... at least i speak for myself. The problem is that a system that encourages the vast majority of toxic players to continue playing the game (when data shows that currently about half of all banned players *don't* continue to play *League*) actually just increases net toxicity in order to give forgiveness to players who have *already been given multiple chances to reform*. It's simply not worth the cost to the rest of the playerbase.
well but if those half of all banned players don't continue to play and come back and acctually reform ... that would be a gain
: They actually ran an experiment like this, where showing good behavior on an alternate account could get your original account unbanned. It failed miserably, as the vast majority of players either failed to show reform or reverted to bad habits later down the line. As a result, Riot discontinued the policy and has no plans to re-implement it, because their data shows that all it really does is encourage toxic players to keep playing -- and being toxic -- on new accounts in an attempt to regain their old accounts. Riot knows it can't STOP players from making new accounts, but, based on that data, they're not going to ENCOURAGE it.
hmmm ... i see .... from my experience a lot of people that got banned ... didn't acctually improve.... they just learned how not to get banned when i say people should be able to get back their accounts because of obvious reasons ( money and hous you spent ) those that would eventually get back their account would have to show a perfect behaviour in terms of what a sportsman like player is ... im not sure u understand my english sucks ;) as u said the vast majority of players failed to show reform ... so they won't get their account but there's a few minority that acctually learn the lesson and improve ... at least i speak for myself. i think they should try to implement this again and rework the method idk ... ofc if players still flame now and then .... several afks .... negativity towards the game ... they wouldn't get the acc just like the system today works ...
deathgod5 (EUW)
: The problem is it would lead to this. > Buy now, > > Redeemed account smurf > > 50 $ a pop. > You just get 5 bots together to honor each other in co-op matches.
of course this is just a concept ... they would have to figure it out the vasts ways players could abuse this and break them down and so i said ... not just a few honors and you are ready to go but a 180 degree turn on your behaviour and a total new positive thinking you bring into not just a few games but a lot of them ... only for the minority of the people that acctually deserve to get the acc back
: They DO promote reform. Right up until the permanent ban, at which point Riot is telling you they'd prefer you no longer play their game.
hmm i see ... but still in my case it worked fine .... people grow old people learn from mistakes ... even if they did it one or 2 times ... i think you should always forgive if the persons shows it's will to improve
: That's called 14 days suspension. "Proof ur worth" there.
i got 14 days suspension and spent 6 months toxic free .... i really didn't even had negative atitude towards the game all it took was 1 game where i said " bro even mundo said you suck " - this was towards a player that was hard tilting everyone complaining in all chat to report me because i failed my flash ... and i got banned ... 2 years have passed and i never got punished again or even reported so yea ... i think 14 days suspension that triggers a permament ban over 1 game even after i spent a lot of time improving my behaviour and even now that i grew up and i understand how not to tilt and blame other .. i think im more than ready to get my account back if u understand what im saying ofc but i totally get your POV
Snowman Arc (EUNE)
: Permanent ban, only for it to not be permanent. This community.
sorry im bad in english can u rephrase it ?
: "I" think you should be required to link your smurf accounts to your main, and if ANY of your accounts get banned, it cascades to ALL of your accounts.
why ? that's too much ... reform is possible and riot even promotes it
Arcade Lulu (EUNE)
: Perma ban is a PERMANENT ban
Then let's called it temporary ban till you can proof ur worth of it
: I think if you get an account perma banned you should never get it back and ideally you'd never be a part of the community again.
ideally ? who says that ? back 6 years ago toxic behaviour was only labeled to people that spammed cancer in chat and acctually abused on the curses ... now saying u suck is acctually enough for u to get a punishment ... and i don't agree with it since i was banned and acctually reformed ... i was a kid back then why can't i be a part of the community again shall i ask ?
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: The question is if someone on the other team, who couldn't see the "kys", reported them, would they be banned? I think the answer to that should be "no", but I don't know for certain if the IFS works that way or not.
i think they would not unless someone says in all chat what happens and they report .... then riot can say it wasn't a random report and acctually see the chat logs ... at least that was the way that the system would work
: > [{quoted}](name=SageOfDSixPaths,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=hYQc6vJA,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-06-15T08:37:00.618+0000) > > I wrote this kind of stuff because I was tilted and triggered from my teammates. > Do you know this type of anger, when you lose 5 promo's to plat 2 because one of your teammates has to troll? > I lost 5 promo's in a row to plat 2, then I got demoted to plat 4, imagine how tilted I was from this game, and triggered. do you think the punishment system cares, or should care, about how tilted you were? of course you must be angry otherwise you wouldn't have wrote that in the first place nobody is judging you because you lost your temper, i'm only advicing you to stop using the chat that way, otherwise you will be surely get punished again in the future
u are the first guy that acctually adviced a player instead of saying " ofc u get banned u are toxic and u should never play " like i've seen in boards ..... im happy
: Not for everything, they have "zero tolerance" policies on several things including hate speech for example.
hate speech doesn't exist .... that's fucking delusional
Bazerka (NA)
: /mute all is a great command in League if chat tilts you :).
that's why i think someone going over an argument in the chat and then start to flame each other is stupid since u can just use mute i also disagree with people reporting those players .... it's not worth the time

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