: Is anyone else sick of renekton?
That's not true, look at this game of Renekton from me today: http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/de/#match-details/EUW1/2420593570/215011488?tab=overview I was 6/1 in lane vs TF i believe, as late game came I was dealing no damage at all, was just locked down in teamfights and killed, and ended up being 6/5 from 6/1 in the beginning. The problem is, I was not dealing enough damage to really be useful for damage, and wasn't tanky enough to tank for my team. Also because I had ignite I could secure many kills on my lane and have a good farm early, but I couldn't teleport to help my losing bot lane.
: > [{quoted}](name=Salmighty,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AEfQRb5H,comment-id=0017000b,timestamp=2015-09-27T07:38:39.567+0000) > > {{champion:86}} > {{champion:36}} > {{champion:48}} > > I mean, Trundle only gets health when there is a minion wave, while Garen and Mundo just regenerate without minions. it's situational; trundy also heals off champs and monsters (post-baron trundle, full hp again kappa) so, depending on how things go down, he could potentially outheal both of them.
That's right, but if you play Trundle Top vs Garen or Mundo, they will heal way more than you (Not saying Trundle is overall weaker then Garen/Mundo, but they just heal more than him, imo Riot should really buff Trundles passive a bit.)
: Should probably have included in the title that you specifically mean in the late game, as it's somewhat misleading otherwise. As to the late game strength of the two passives, yes, it would be really hard to argue that they're comparable in power at that point. However, Mundo has his ultimate at that point to serve a similar purpose, so if it was about Mundo needing late game power, I'd probably be more interested in investigating an avenue outside his passive.
{{champion:86}} > {{champion:36}} > {{champion:48}} I mean, Trundle only gets health when there is a minion wave, while Garen and Mundo just regenerate without minions.
: Garen's Passive Completely Blows Mundo's Passive Out of the Water
Lol you complain about Mundo? I think his passive is op. Take a look at {{champion:48}}, his passive needs a big buff, the health he gains is very small and he can only gain health when there is a minion wave, while Mundos and Garens passives work without minions and are much stronger.
Meddler (NA)
: As far as I know we don't have any plans for Zeke's at the moment. Win rates around 60% aren't unusual for items that aren't the first or second item a champion buys, since they're not found equally on winning and losing teams. Supports that are already winning are more often the ones that actually get to build a Zeke's in the first place, so you'd expect it's win rate to be well above 50%. Same sort of thing happens with various other large cost, non rushed items (Deathcap for AP, Last Whisper for ADCs etc).
With the Morde nerfs I hope you mean nerfing only the Q and give him solo cast W back? Because really his solo lane isn't good anymore.
: Any plans on improving Mordekaiser's solo laning? I've played him a decent amount and he struggles a bit in top, especially during ganks with his abysmally low movement speed. He's great in team fights though and ramps up really well during the course of the game, reaching the goal of him being a Heavy Metal Juggernaut. His Mace isn't just for show anymore and he actually feels a lot more like the Paladin of Pain, The Master of Metal, THE Murder Emperor. It just flat out sucks not to being able to Cast Harvester of Sorrow on yourself if you want to push out a lane by yourself. Heck, your support won't ALWAYS be there with you, give him the ability to use his W and we're sold Riot. Also, I must say he's hella lot of fun to play in lategame skirmishes and generally fulfills the vision of him being this unholy force stemming from the shadow isles. But yeah, improving his solo experience while keeping the other juicy bits unique for his duo laning is probably the best way to go if you want to open up the positions he can be played in as well as pleasing all us former SoloKaisers. ~M.M
I played him adc -> 19/9, then I played him top vs Darius first 0/2 but final score was 7/6. He struggles because of his W not castable in solo lane, they should really change it.
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Chovy152 (NA)
: Constant PVP Net Disconnect
Same here on EUW, I thought if was because of my Kaspersky, as it made this type of problem once before, but it isn't Kaspersky this time. I started when I got the update of the Arcade Skin login screen, and now I'm repairing my client to see if that helps. I you have a solution please post it here.
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toonpang (OCE)
: Yeah, I was in the thread talking to him about it at the same time. > Now, after long last, we have the confirmation that they think about changing his W for self-cast! This is a step in the right direction, but as you can see from the reasons I gave above, I think they should go further than that. I think they need to scrap the entire rework and just go with these simple changes which increase his counterplay, keep the Dragon gimmick, and make him feel more like Sauron: * Raise base AD and raise melee range to 175. Lower attack speed. * Make his Q a 475 range target area dodgeable mace slam. Everything hit is slowed. [Make it leave a little crater like Alistar's pummel] * Make E have a target area cast indicator like Sion's Q, but castable while moving. Thus enemies can now dodge Siphon, reducing his bullying. * Allow Mordekaiser to target the Dragon with his ultimate, but make it only apply the DOT damage portion and not the burst. If killed, he gets its ghost, yada yada.
I think he has gotten a 200 attack range already with the rework. http://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/de/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/KhcvQBlG-mordekaiser-change-summary-feedback-thread?show=flat&page=1
: {{champion:432}} {{champion:82}} i don't like other people having fun
Welcome my friend. {{champion:82}} Good news: RiotScruffy said they thought about changing that his W can be self-casted again!
: Who do you main?
Mordekaiser {{champion:82}}
Malcha (NA)
: I'm assuming you're referring to his bot lane wave clear. In order to wave clear top, he needs to max E which has MASSIVELY reduced based values. His ability to clear/push is entirely dependent on itemization and even then it's limited when he's alone. Especially compared to live Morde. I also feel like solo Morde hasn't gained anything to make up for the stats his shield used to give. Especially considering he isn't getting the damage to help him build his shield. Also, can we get some way to dispell the dragon ghost in the event want to use ult after helping our team take dragon? I don't like the idea of having a bot lane carry hesitate to help the team with dragon because he anticipates needing his ult.
Ok, let's do some ~~meth~~ math. Level 1 Morde (Live): E -> Base Damage 70 + 60% AP, if he has 30 AP in the beginning, this would be 70 + 18 = 88 Damage Level 1 Morde (PBE): E -> Base Damage 35 + 60% AP and 60% AD, if he has again 30 AP in the beginning and 60 AD in the beginning, this would be 35 + 18 + 36 = 89 The damage stays basicially the same, also he gets a heal off his new E (they consider changing so he can self-cast his W again, as RiotScruffy said in his post in this thread here) also his Q now scales off his total AD and not his bonus AD. If they change his W to self-cast again, we only lose early waveclear because the Q no longer spreads, but we gain an insane scaling for the Q in the lategame (1000+ damage on 3rd Q hit). Also better autoattacks through a more hybrid build, which helps with the missing waveclear now.
toonpang (OCE)
: I feel the whole rework should be reverted actually. It's a mess. The gameplay changes further push him towards a feast/famine style of gameplay [either oneshotting people with third stack 1700 damage Qs, or getting kited to death], which Riot themselves have said in the past is a bad design. A lot of the changes do not match Morde's theme [he's a healer now?] or have tenuous connections [he summons dragon ghosts now?] which further confuse his already confused identity [the mage bruiser tank is now also an ADC and a healer?]. The addition of two big new features to his kit, the Dragon ghost and duo lane XP, mean that Morde's other unique gimmicks, damage based shield/controlling dead enemies, had to be nerfed in comparison. This means he is now a jumble of overall less impactful abilities, rather than clear-cut, strong abilities which make sense to enemies playing against Morde. While one of the reasons discussed for changing Morde was his unhealthy laning, this rework doesn't fix that. Giving a botlane duo a free, endlessly useable heal almost as strong as Taric's, a 2 level advantage over their lane opponent, while mildly reducing Morde's range and not really changing his playstyle means **he is still a huge lane bully but now he gets built in sustain and bonus XP to go with it.** The new Mordekaiser is heavily rewarded for having a good team and good support [for instance, a Thresh support removes Morde's problems of immobility and lack of CC using his Lantern and Hook and Flay and thus holds down people for Morde to three-shot them], but without a good team and good support, he cannot access his own W ability alone, is slow, and has no way of landing his own Q on anyone with mobility. **It's like if Yasuo didn't have a knockup on his Q and couldn't ult alone without a good knockup team. We all know how rare good teams can be in soloqueue. Please don't leave me at the mercy of matchmaking even further.** As a result I predict the new Morde will have a low winrate in soloqueue, but will be permabanned anyway because duo queue players who actually know how to use his duo lane potential will dominate every matchup. Being a longtime Morde main, I would like to see all changes scrapped until they have time to do a Sion-level rework. If these changes go through they're going to have to gut him after release anyway. Right now Morde is sitting on a 50% winrate and 2% playrate. He needs no changes unless they're _very sure of what they're doing,_ and it doesn't look like they are right now.
That's what RiotScruffy said yesterday: "The W not being available when alone is definitely the most risky change. I can totally understand how this ability being very situational for the solo laner can feel a bit weird. On the other hand, there is so much new power in things like Q, Passive, and E that his solo lane will probably stay viable from those buffs alone. If it turns out that most players are still favoring solo morde and that this version of W has too much of a feel cost, we would consider shifting some of his power out of P, Q and E to make room for some sort of "weaker but castable solo" version of W." His Q does not provide that good waveclear in the earlygame anymore, but it has an absurd lategame scaling, his E actually does a bit more damage than pre-rework due to extra AD scaling, his Ultimate is basicially the same (except that dragon ghost thing) but my main problem was on the W. Now, after long last, we have the confirmation that they think about changing his W for self-cast!
: Few of your points answered here: 1. The W not being available when alone is definitely the most risky change. I can totally understand how this ability being very situational for the solo laner can feel a bit weird. On the other hand, there is so much new power in things like Q, Passive, and E that his solo lane will probably stay viable from those buffs alone. If it turns out that most players are still favoring solo morde and that this version of W has too much of a feel cost, we would consider shifting some of his power out of P, Q and E to make room for some sort of "weaker but castable solo" version of W 2. His power is so much more melee focused now that I honestly barely noticed it when playing. If he's underpowered, range is an easy number to buff. 3. Similarly, numbers are an easy fix. We will see what needs adjusting after he goes live. 4. Waveclear has still seemed pretty strong, and we've employed the "merciless pushing wave into enemy turret" strat for bot lane wins many times internally. Granted, this may be a nerf from a full AP morde on live, but I think he should still have enough waveclear to feel good.
@RiotScruffy Could the team behind Mordekaiser please look again at the W? It just seems unfair that he has only 3 spells in a solo lane, the only other ones would be Kalista R and Soraka W, but Kalista is an ADC and Soraka is played as a support in 95% and not for example mid. My suggestion: Change his W so he can self-cast it or on minions, but reduce the healing if he does that. EDIT: @RiotScruffy If you disagree with the W change, then please explain me why it should stay, or if you have another suggestion, because it the state it is now, it's not OK. EDIT 2: Just read your post about the W, and yes you can change the value of the Q and maybe of the E in exchange for solo-cast W, but please don't change the passive values, as the new scalings for the decay rate are already bad because it now decays constantly and not in "blocks" as it was before.
: > [{quoted}](name=Salmighty,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=VgvFLNAe,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2015-08-14T06:51:22.787+0000) > > I watched the Redmercy video already ;) Um what. Next champ is named Rah'Tuul. (Unless pushed back like Dragon) He's an ADC and is the one who gave Varus his bow. This isn't mentioned in a video that's a year old? Also he never says anything about the Darkins being the actual weapons.. D-did you read my comment?
Next champ is named Rah'Tuul. (Unless pushed back like Dragon) --> That was fake, that statement already like 3 months old. I'm talking about these two videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_bM_xrNAh0 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ75ChovsJM In the Darkin video he says (at 2:25) that th Darkins may actually be spirits living inside the weapons and possessing the wielders of those weapons. The link to those Raa'Tul posts: http://i.imgur.com/mfzEmXT.png
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: Next champ is an ADC Darkin relating to Varus. (Gave Varus his bow) Darkins are actually weapons. Like the actual weapons. (Aatrox's sword is aatrox.) They find worthy people and slowly turn them into their new host when their current host is nearing it's limit. (Varus and Trynda). Uhhh, what else do you need to know?
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Meddler (NA)
: I don't think we'd want to do two new champ at once, we do like the way people have time to experiment with a champ, learn how to play against it etc, plus the way each champ gets to be at least a brief focus point on release. I'd imagine we'll see some cases of closer releases at times again though, like the shorter gaps between Gnar/Azir and Kalista/Rek'Sai last year.
So the next champion will come in 5.19 at the earliest?
: > [{quoted}](name=Matezoide,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9rmaVRb5,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2015-08-12T22:44:47.736+0000) > > It is over, my friend. We have failled. > > > No matter how much we try, everyone else will forever see us as whiny little bitches that completely deserved this. CertanlyT does not care for Mordekaiser...he never did. > > > Mordekaiser is dead now, and there is nothing we can do about it. > > > Your team will not accept you picking Mordekaiser bot. Your team will not pick an ADC top/mid to make up. Mordekaiser will be utterly unplayable in solo que, and it doesnt matter how powerful or weak he becomes. But hey, he MIGHT get picked in competitive play. Or not. He'll hover either between utter garbage or broken Op since everything he does now is so binary that tweaking numbers will either break or make him. There's no middle ground with a pure damage kit with no utility on a champion that now relies on being around allies 24/7. With weak wave clear, lackluster range and moderate tankiness. Sigh... I feel like the best course of action would be killing him like they did with GP and then reworking him entirely :P
{{champion:82}} "Fools, don't give up on me! There is still hope left! I have gotten all-new ability icons! http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/08/812-pbe-update.html#morde This is a step in the right direction! Now, my servants any loyal mains, help me getting back my self-cast ability on my W, I don't want to be reliant on a foolish support! Don't give up yet!
: Patch 5.16's locked in place and no meaningful changes in sight
I don't understand people. Just give him back the self and minion cast on his W and reduce the healing when he uses it that way, and everything is fine. There are some smaller problems like E and Q combo for the waveclear not longer there, but well, then you have to use you E more often, which is fine by me. EDIT: Forgot to say to buff the shield decay rate, it's really shit now, it goes down constantly rather than in "blocks" as it was before.
Malcha (NA)
: Have you seen the Morde threads lately? They're nothing but. Honestly the hate is kinda justified. Not because I think he's doing a bad job with this and the other champions he's handled. But because he's been silent this entire time. The only responses he's offered have been to positive feedback. Even the threads where people aren't being rude and are making great points for discussion are notably absent of any response from him. Even though it's been a week at this point.
You can hate on the reworked champion, but then then insult the designer. Give constructive feedback and not hate.
stuartk11 (EUW)
: My Problems with the recent Mordekaiser update
You know the W is now useless because you can't cast it on yourself or and a minion wave anymore, only in a duo lane you can use it on your ally. I think he is fine after the rework, Q damage is insane, E is kinda meh but ok, R is almost the same but his W is now shit.
: Nope, CertainlyT is better than you, he knows what he is doing.
"Any hate against the champion rework designer (CertainlyT) is not tolerated here."
verinois (EUNE)
: [–]joSungtv 320 points 4 hours ago* THIS MAN IS A THIEF This guy hacked or bought my League Account from a friend and changed the name to KingofEloHeaven. My account was D1 and then he tanked it to Plat 5 trying to prove to himself he was a Morde god. He changed the account name to "KingofEloHeaven" after he took control of my account. I have proof of him typing that to me on stream. Screw you man. You went 36-60 on Morde last season... http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/44876363#ranked-stats SEARCH LOLKING KINGOFELOHEAVEN AND YOU GET THIS RESULT. https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=lolking%20kingofeloheaven Edit: After talking to him on stream, I can prove this was the same person that had control of my account and played Morde from D1 to Plat 5. http://i.imgur.com/rjwixwh.png First he says he has no idea who I am, then immediately he says he had "his" account stolen by Shadows. Shadows was a friend of mine who had my acc info who tried selling it to OP but got scammed without my permission. https://www.youtube.com/user/LoLShadows http://i.imgur.com/cIvZfyV.png Now, here in the bottom he says he wants "his" account back. Edit 2: http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4127418 Even more proof. The name change affected a post from 2 years ago.. lol Edit 3: Now he accuses me of stealing HIS account. http://i.imgur.com/uZtbLBB.png Edit 4: If you look at my lolking I linked earlier, he said that he is a Morde only player but if you look at S3, it has ZERO MORDE GAMES.
Upvoted, send a support ticket if that really is your account, Good luck.
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: So he has to post in order to read the feedback? I was under the assumption that posts could be read without having to make one yourself.
Why has this comment -16 downvotes? You know, downvotes are there to seperate content that has nothing to do with the topic and not to downvote comments that you personally don't like.
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Dr Poro (EUW)
: Patch 5.17 Hecarim rework: Now only works as a support.
Wouldn't be the first one (cough {{champion:43}} {{champion:26}} {{champion:143}} {{champion:82}} cough)
AceBlack (NA)
: This is too funny
A question: Was that post of you a reaction to this?: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/251b7IzK-certainlyt-listen-to-this
: {{champion:37}} 's skills aren't mana efficient if she isn't using it on at least one ally too
True, but she can still use it without an ally, and that's what matters.
: > [{quoted}](name=Beoridas,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=251b7IzK,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2015-08-08T15:08:59.191+0000) > > i dont think your reasoning is wrong. but i do believe its lacking a bigger picture. Look. I think we all deeply understand you. You like the way he is and what he is. hes your guy. I have kassadin deep within me and changing his thematics would be an absolute horror. However, lets think about few things here: > > 1--Its not really about why not someone else instead of me; thats a rather shortsighted answer with obv problems that would come with this if Riot would do that. > > 2--I have played morde a bit. Dont find him too interesting or awesome since he doesnt match my playstyle. But i think i would love to see him do what C'T would want him to eventually be able to do. Specially replace an ADC. tbh, im tired of adcs bot lane all the time. > > 3--I think if we were to just say that only new champs should be doing new roles, then it means that they would need to massively focus 4-5-6 next champs into that. That would not only be a very high risk with absolutely no proven rewards attached to it but it would stall the game for a very long time cause of nothing fresh in the lanes. > > It doesnt mean however that they should do that to lots of other champs or that it should specifically be morde to do that more than any other. But C'T reasoning behind it isnt entirely wrong and made even some sense. Not saying it should happen and hes the chosen one. But the situation is far more complex than it seem. Here is the issue with all of that: He isn't going to replace any ADC since he is melee, he has no cc whatsoever and is extremely reliant on your support. I will ask you one thing, if i was going to send a melee champion against the enemy ADC, why would i pick a cc-less immobile champion over let's say Xin, Renek? All morde can hope to do while in the bot lane is farm and pray that he doesn't get all-in or ganked. Once again he is melee, good luck taking towers unless your team is so far ahead that neither towers nor anyone from the enemy team matters. His dragon curse passive thing is just a "win more" passive, it's stupid and badly designed. It's just there for the "wow" factor than anything else. His "he gains full exp even if you are sharing exp with someone" is just a "please use him in bot lane please!" passive Then there's his W which can only be used on allies... that's just no, why this change? the only reason is because he just wants to shoehorn morde in a role he isn't meant to be played. It's like trying to fit a square block in a circle-shaped hole and then using an hammer when you figure out that's not going to work while being too stubborn to actually try something else
> Here is the issue with all of that: > > He isn't going to replace any ADC since he is melee, he has no cc whatsoever and is extremely reliant on your support. I will ask you one thing, if i was going to send a melee champion against the enemy ADC, why would i pick a cc-less immobile champion over let's say Xin, Renek? All morde can hope to do while in the bot lane is farm and pray that he doesn't get all-in or ganked. Once again he is melee, good luck taking towers unless your team is so far ahead that neither towers nor anyone from the enemy team matters. > > His dragon curse passive thing is just a "win more" passive, it's stupid and badly designed. It's just there for the "wow" factor than anything else. His "he gains full exp even if you are sharing exp with someone" is just a "please use him in bot lane please!" passive > > Then there's his W which can only be used on allies... that's just no, why this change? the only reason is because he just wants to shoehorn morde in a role he isn't meant to be played. It's like trying to fit a square block in a circle-shaped hole and then using an hammer when you figure out that's not going to work while being too stubborn to actually try something else And those are exactly the reasons why I made this whole post in the first place.
: I don't think it gives resistances anymore. And you do have a point with the MS, it's good for disengaging after a trade.
Yes I think it doesn't anymore but before it added extra sustain to solo lane Mordekaiser.
Beoridas (NA)
: i dont think your reasoning is wrong. but i do believe its lacking a bigger picture. Look. I think we all deeply understand you. You like the way he is and what he is. hes your guy. I have kassadin deep within me and changing his thematics would be an absolute horror. However, lets think about few things here: 1--Its not really about why not someone else instead of me; thats a rather shortsighted answer with obv problems that would come with this if Riot would do that. 2--I have played morde a bit. Dont find him too interesting or awesome since he doesnt match my playstyle. But i think i would love to see him do what C'T would want him to eventually be able to do. Specially replace an ADC. tbh, im tired of adcs bot lane all the time. 3--I think if we were to just say that only new champs should be doing new roles, then it means that they would need to massively focus 4-5-6 next champs into that. That would not only be a very high risk with absolutely no proven rewards attached to it but it would stall the game for a very long time cause of nothing fresh in the lanes. It doesnt mean however that they should do that to lots of other champs or that it should specifically be morde to do that more than any other. But C'T reasoning behind it isnt entirely wrong and made even some sense. Not saying it should happen and hes the chosen one. But the situation is far more complex than it seem.
I really Like how you respect my own point of view, that's not typical in a discussion, normally people just shout and insult each other. So, yes maybe he is very good in the bot lane, we will have to wait and see, but a little change to his W for his solo lane wouldn't be that bad. It would help Mordekaiser in the solo lane, while not affecting ADC Mordekaiser.
Beoridas (NA)
: Lets be honest here guys. Ive read the thread with certainly T. He was there to get feedback and help. Stattik and repertoir said they are brainstorming together to find solutions. But when Certainly T came in the forums...it was a maaassssiiiveee hate fest. People telling him out of nowhere to quit his job. That hes a *ock sucker, lots of insults--personal insults. As much as some wants to hate him: Thresh playerbase is huge; People love the champ, its a good champ. People love darius: we can even go to the thread, and its ironic how the people wants their beloved darius--CertainlyT champ--to then give the biggest F U ive seen given to someone un deserved or unprovoked on his morde thread and talk trash about his champs. Hes a freakin human being. As much as people say yasuo is cancer: I think mechanics, interactions is always a good thing in league. Yasuo has several passive for instance. But it doesnt matter how many strenghts or weaknesses he has overall: as long as all the trade offs; counterplay; difficulty etcc are there its fine. There is many characters in the moba world who has tons of abilities. OVerloaded is just a word made up by ppl to always complain about a champ in the broadest way possible. (a bit like straw man arguments) Lets not forget the designers arent the one choosing the numbers for their stats. I also think his champions are very very thematically sound and believable. Hes very good at making you feel and appreciate a champ and connected to its personality. It doesnt mean Morde changes are good. But i can see some good reasonings for the abilities he gives him (thematics) But i would be angry too if he changed my olaf, kass, ryze to the point they are too different or just flat out suck. But he still deserve respect and appreciation for the good stuff hes done. He has talent. Perhaps if we werent just flat out immature and treating him like garbage--he would have talked and listened more. But hats to you OP. I like your thread. just sucks that that C'T must be pretty fustrated to come back
Well, first Thanks for giving me such a long response. The problem I have with this rework (and CertainlyT or whoever was reponsable for it), is that they forcefully moved him from a position he was actually quite decent in, to the ADC role. That alone is a HUGE change. If I were at Riot, I would try such a huge change with a new champion instead of a existing one. Image if they reworked Yasuo into an ADC, but they don't change his abilities: Only he can only use his knockup if an ally is in range (I know that's very unreal but it is just an example). People would go crazy, even crazier than when they showed the Mordekaiser changes. Why? Because I think more people play Yasuo actively than Mordekaiser. I just have the feeling that they picked Mordekaiser for that because just a few people actively play him. I mean, That could have done such a thing to Darius, Garen or Skarner. Why Mordekaiser? Darius and Garen are still top laner, and Skarner is still a jungler, but Mordekaiser's role changed. To be honest, I'm fine with Mordekaiser's Q, E and Ultimate BUT why disable his W for a solo lane Mordekaiser? What's the point in destroying his solo lane potential? For what sake? For just trying out a new crazy idea with could ultimately lead to Mordekaiser neither being played as ADC nor as a solo laner.
stuartk11 (EUW)
: Mordekaiser has to be changed, as he has been seeing a rise in popularity, and the new AP item changes have made him stronger. He now snowballs very hard, and they want him updated in some meaningful way before they also update the defensive items and release their new items. I think that the execution of the update has been lackluster, and there is little incentive to play him over a traditional ADC, but I know that he needs updated. Also, a bit more communication about what is actually happening would be nice too, guys.
That's completely right, we haven't even got a reason why they changed him that way.
Sasogwa (EUW)
: If you want to make him stronger botlane, just make the spell more rewarding when put on an ally. Don't completely remove it from a sololane. At least, allow Morde to cast it on only himself
That would be a good idea too. Everything is better than a usuable spell in a solo lane.
: {{champion:16}} Also, he doesn't lose much without his W. It's magic damage with only AP scaling. The sustain doesn't seem that good to begin with, either.
Movespeed, A bit of damage to trade, Also 10-30 MR and Armor.
: The only thing it really sacrifices is waveclear, the sustain doesn't seem that good to begin with. He could probably still make a Darius cry if he tries to hook him.
That's right, but sustain isn't the real problem here (Mordekaiser couls still buy spellvamp for example). His W also gives him 75 Movespeed when he moves towards the ally whom you targeted with your W. You could do this on minion waves to gain a little bit Movespeed, also you could use you W on a minion when you lane opponent tried to farm to get a little damage on him (That was useful in the early levels). Also 10-30 Armor and MR for you and your ally. All these aspects are now gone.
: The role of a controle jungler & how I like to see it changed
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Write a support ticket to Riot and explain your problem, they will help you for sure. Here is the link: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
: I think you are missing a massive change that is seemingly not mentioned: His Q now has 600 range. That means that he can easily use it to trade with ADC, seeing as most ADC have 600 range or less. This ability can also be used to cs, and since it does auto attack damage as well as magic damage you can build a gunblade and as soon as you have one of the pieces get enough health back to justify its cost for just last hitting.
The 600 range is a misinformation coming from a uninformed reddit post of someone, I removed it. Greetings, Salmighty
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