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: I'd assume any that can back off after a short trade, so that you can avoid his passive damage. Probably Fiora, if I had to take a guess. u.gg confirms that, with Fiora being his third best counter. Kayle is his second best counter, if you count Kayle as melee. Olaf is next, I assume it's because he's better in sustained combat than Morde is and he can just completely ignore Morde's R. Jax and Trynd I assume are the same case. Mundo is next, and I assume that's because Mundo's just a walking pile of bullshit and Morde fucks himself if he ults Mundo. That, and the simply insane amount of magic damage reduction Mundo gets from whatever damn ability probably fucks Morde harder.
after 1 item jax cant beat him no more. unless he is 3 kills ahead. kayle not really counted as melee after 5 min. wait ive been into the morde vs mundo matchup and when he ults me i just cant break his shields with mundo. smth im doing wrong?
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: Try _playing_ him.
i main top. even if i was jungle why would i do that?
: While true. If he gets behind by 2 or more level's he is absolutely trash for the rest of game. If he gets ahead gg. Behind he losses. Not like most junglers who can still recover.
i mean its impossible for him to even go behind by counter jungle bc he has all the means of escape. inside a jungle you cant find him in 3 let alone 1 v 1 jungler.
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: that's actually his whole theme. so basically you're asking for a scrapping of his current kit for a new kit.
im not asking anything. just saying he is very unfun to play vs. it takes 5 to track the guy down as if we hunting from treasure inside a jungle.
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: Probably because you aimed for a spot that was out of range, and couldn't move to get in range. Otherwise it's a bug. Oh Concepts and Creations btw.
she was right next to me when she q and for like 0.5 sec i could not hit rupture.
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Smitey (EUNE)
: I got a friend Who stomped him with Nasus, in any stage of the game. Well, after lvl 6 that is
if you are lucky enough to survive without feeding pre 6 there is a chance. but u got to survive and farm. if morde freezes and only uses q's agaist you while not touching minion to push wave its most likely gg couse he will be 2 levels ahead.
: Tryndamere, Jax, Olaf, Fiora, Singed If you had problems on Jax, it was likely your fault more than Jax's fault. Try again.
https://blitz.gg/lol/champions/Jax/counters/Mordekaiser not sure about that. he has sustain in lane so i cant trade for long early.
: Jax beats him hard because he can delay his passive.
i tried with jax. as soon as he gets 1 items its over.
: He literally reappears to the first target he started alpha strike on, so you DO know where's going to be. He doesn't have the option to switch targets mid alpha strike.
how do you even know which one he starts alpha strike to when hes surrounded by targetS?
Keiaga (NA)
: You mean a late game champ wins a lot of matches that last much longer than they should? Try a website that isn't 2 patches behind and don't exclude the majority of the games. https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/builds/masteryi/jungle
late game? the guy is a monster on 2 items. define late game for yi
Pyrosan (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Salron88,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=REEAX6f8,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-21T18:41:52.039+0000) > > barely a combo damage compared betwen the 2. it's still a combo lol
theres barely any damage in that combo compared to neeko.
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Antenora (EUW)
: {{champion:9}} {{champion:56}} - 2.25 second fears
Pyrosan (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Salron88,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=REEAX6f8,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-10-20T21:09:47.081+0000) > > except morgana damage and neeko damage dont even compare. aswell as the kits they got. neeko has a combo. morgana has nothing but that q. q + w is a combo
barely a combo damage compared betwen the 2.
Keiaga (NA)
: he's fine. please respond with actual numbers or statistics instead of worthless exagerated anecdotes about how he's impossible to kill late game.
https://champion.gg/champion/MasterYi/Jungle 53% winrate min 30-40. god forbid it reaches 40+ couse its 57% you see the big jump there? its him when hes fed or full build. impossible to stop.
Akenero (NA)
: Ahem Giant counters to him {{champion:53}} {{champion:201}} {{champion:164}} {{champion:69}} {{champion:31}} {{champion:9}} {{champion:3}} {{champion:86}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:10}} {{champion:203}} {{champion:89}} {{champion:127}} {{champion:117}} {{champion:90}} {{champion:57}} {{champion:80}} {{champion:33}} {{champion:58}} {{champion:13}} {{champion:113}} {{champion:72}} {{champion:223}} {{champion:4}} {{champion:77}} {{champion:45}} {{champion:106}} {{champion:62}} {{champion:5}} Either point and click cc or area denial Then you blow him up :D You just have to see the guy coming or you are screwed just saying
do you even see the guy when he hits q? its like being dead from strong winds. he spends 99% of the time inside q. meanwhile he kills a 7k chogath in 8 strikes. imagine that.
: Laughs in {{champion:24}}
jax is targetable atleast. give him 1 stun and he can be shut down just as fast. with yi 1 single stun just wont do it couse he will dissapear and reappear on whichever target he chose. which u dont know.
: > [{quoted}](name=Salron88,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UEWG9lhQ,comment-id=000800000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-20T10:05:13.549+0000) > > as a melee qss is worthless. morde can still stack his shields with or without it. so why should i get one. again. and loose 1300 vs 4 other enemy members. Stop thinking of qss as a worthless item. It's not, you get mr which helps a lot against mordekaiser and any other ap threats and the active is amazing, in this meta one cc is likely to get you instakilled anyways, but if you cleanse it you can just walk away free. It doesn't have to be used exclusively against morde it's just an option that makes pretty much everyone win the 1v1 against him and is useful for other scenarios as well. Qss is NOT a waste of 1300 g god dang it, you are like the people who don't build executioners against mundo vlad soraka bc its a "waste of 600 g" I hope to never have you on my team Literally the only downside of qss is it has no build path for ap top laners. But most noncancerous tops who have any in lane trouble with morde whatsoever are all ad Mercurial has been built in pro play quite a lot of times by ap champs. Vladsand ryzes mostly when playing against malzahar. If morde was pro play relevant, we'd see the same thing Tldr: 1300 g for a literal 4v5 is a steal I generally build it second item vs him
again. i have no need for that item besides when its a mordekaiser. no other champ isolates you. you wanna talk malhazar? you are in the same map as your team so whenever he ults you in a bad position or a good position all depends on him. and he puts himself at risk while he ults. mordekaiser will trade 1 for 1 atleast. its a waste of 1300 gold only bc riot made a champ out of this universe.
Pyrosan (NA)
: [[ laughs in {{champion:25}} ]]
except morgana damage and neeko damage dont even compare. aswell as the kits they got. neeko has a combo. morgana has nothing but that q.
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: > [{quoted}](name=Salron88,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UEWG9lhQ,comment-id=0008000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-19T18:18:56.797+0000) > > and again once more you are bringing qss up which as i explain. it keeps him away but literally gets me behind the 4 other members of enemy team. i sacrifice 1300 gold out of my build only bc he exists. no other champ only him. i dont need it with any other champ but him. define that as fair Its fair bc you are almost 100% guarunteed to be able to 1v1 him anytime you have a qss. It's like facing malzahar 1300 g and one member of the enemy team literally cannot harm you. It's exceptionally good, most people just are too dumb to adapt their build to include it
as a melee qss is worthless. morde can still stack his shields with or without it. so why should i get one. again. and loose 1300 vs 4 other enemy members.
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: > [{quoted}](name=Salron88,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UEWG9lhQ,comment-id=00080000000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-18T14:08:43.358+0000) > > well i have seen both sides of the coin and they are just as bad. define proper knowledge when he ults pls. Who is they? And knowledge of which abilities completely nullify his ult, how long the cast time is and it lasts, good kiting mechanics (really easy if he already used his e) Getting him to misposition if you are about to die or the ult is about to end. Knowledge of when you can fight him when he has ult (literally anytime you have qss up) lots of things
and again once more you are bringing qss up which as i explain. it keeps him away but literally gets me behind the 4 other members of enemy team. i sacrifice 1300 gold out of my build only bc he exists. no other champ only him. i dont need it with any other champ but him. define that as fair
: > [{quoted}](name=Salron88,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UEWG9lhQ,comment-id=000800000000,timestamp=2019-10-16T02:31:44.688+0000) > > morde is pretty easy to play against ranged in early so they can bully him and he cant stack his shields and passive. vs melee its a whole new story. it takes him 10 min of playing safe for him to become unbeatable 1 v 1. > also buying qss means 1300 gold behind just so you dont die to the guy anymore not that u can trade with him. and now you are -1300 gold from your core items. reminder. mordekaiser its not the only enemy on the map to itemize againt. which is why i hate the fact that i have to get a whole item just to counter 1 specific champ. I prefer to play agianst him as opposed to ranged cancer. He is fun to play against and actually beatable with proper knowledge as opposed to just being a champ that makes you a pin cushion from 1000 range any time you want a singular minion
well i have seen both sides of the coin and they are just as bad. define proper knowledge when he ults pls.
FeeD3R13 (EUNE)
: MAKE A RANKED FOR SOLO PLAYERS ONLY SOLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
while that would be pretty fun i think the main problem is that the more game types you have the more divided the players so the longer queue's.
Saezio (EUNE)
: Yeah duo should be disabled past diamond 4. Supposedly riot punishes duos with inflated MMR, but how are they gonna inflate a challenger duo's MMR?
wait why diamond only. are we plat guys in ther just for show? as if we dont have plenty of diamond smurfs in our elo's only couse they duo with some golden boy
Lovelle (NA)
: To counter burst you need a MR item and a health item.
oh you mean like stereks + spirit visage? nope. still dead after he used q 2 times on me and then ulted.
: > [{quoted}](name=Salron88,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UEWG9lhQ,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-10-15T01:58:58.072+0000) > > honestly i think garen needs a fix soon...but then i see mordekaiser and vlad top and im like. nah he can be 2d in line im fine with it Morde is pretty easy to play against, bully him in lane. Die 3x once he hits 6, buy qss never lose a fight to him again
morde is pretty easy to play against ranged in early so they can bully him and he cant stack his shields and passive. vs melee its a whole new story. it takes him 10 min of playing safe for him to become unbeatable 1 v 1. also buying qss means 1300 gold behind just so you dont die to the guy anymore not that u can trade with him. and now you are -1300 gold from your core items. reminder. mordekaiser its not the only enemy on the map to itemize againt. which is why i hate the fact that i have to get a whole item just to counter 1 specific champ.
8Belthazor8 (EUNE)
: I'd trade a Garen nerf for a Jax nerf anytime
hey im fine with fixing garen and jax both. once they fix toplane vladimir riven and fiora that is.
: You sat in front of him and ate all his leg combos. You know he can't gun you down permanently till level 9 and since his q no longer a lock on(locked on tagets get focused by his W) you can just walk in a wave and his W will focus the closest minion, giving you time to run or turn on him. He is also slowed while using his W so how did you die as Garen is beyond me.
right becouse its super easy to run away from him when he throws you.by the time you get away from him w you are half health if not near his ult health range, and he can still break your q with his when you try to re engage in the fight. not that if you go in you got the dmg to finish him before his w comes on again.
: Garen has currently a 55.92 win rate mid and a 55.50% win rate top
honestly i think garen needs a fix soon...but then i see mordekaiser and vlad top and im like. nah he can be 2d in line im fine with it
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Salron88 (EUW)
: now you are simply rotating around the subject but not at the centre to proove you are right by implementing all sorts of fiction. for whatever you say from now on my answer is simple. all what you mentioned above are separate scenarios of the bigger picture i said in my previous probability example. why have a chance to a normal lane when you can have an excellent one by maximising your probability. every champ u mentioned above has counters whenever lane or late but i wont go with you on that one. totally separate subject. ill just go with the way game is made every champ has counters. again. their laner is doing it for their team or himself and maximising best chance probability. you are not for yours or yourself. from now on for every thing u might come up with ill just go with read my probability example again. math never lies.
to sum it up. read probabilty once more as to how to ban is better then not to ban and gives advantage. clear answer up there.
: IN RANKED. YES. In norms, I do this to. For example, I am trying new mord. I wanna know who the WORST matchup for me is (not just the champ, but me ON THIS CHAMP) so I wanna allow as many champions to go up against me as possible and not accidentally ban my enemies main or something. Its a faster way to learn for ranked IMO, which is another complaint people have (I can't be good on a new champion instantly so I WILL be awful in your norms game, sorry, but I will always try to get good AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, hence, this no ban thing.) Am I making sense? I hope so.
i think he ment draft as in the draft phase during ranked. but not to separate flex from due he simply went with draft phase :)
: in normals i ban nothing cuz i wanna learn how to play against them in ranked ban the cancer
Snowbrand (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Tomoe Gozen,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iB36GMvR,comment-id=0019,timestamp=2019-10-07T10:41:43.892+0000) > > I think Riot should make no-bans into a queue dodge - like before. > It would be disruptive at first but people who don't ban anything should take the LP loss and a 5 minute timeout. In the end, everything would even out perfectly and there would always be five bans on each side. > > It is stupid not to ban anything. > I don't care if you can play against everything but not banning something only puts your team at a disadvantage, if that means they'll lose the lane against that champion but not you. He is talking about normal draft not ranked
: Or how about this. Ahri mid ori mid leblanc mid jayce top/mid draven adc caitlyn adc nami support janna support lulu support these are all laners which even when countered it is not a lost lane (if you wanted to assume the others were a lost lane). Btw you ignored my 3 bullet points entirely.
now you are simply rotating around the subject but not at the centre to proove you are right by implementing all sorts of fiction. for whatever you say from now on my answer is simple. all what you mentioned above are separate scenarios of the bigger picture i said in my previous probability example. why have a chance to a normal lane when you can have an excellent one by maximising your probability. every champ u mentioned above has counters whenever lane or late but i wont go with you on that one. totally separate subject. ill just go with the way game is made every champ has counters. again. their laner is doing it for their team or himself and maximising best chance probability. you are not for yours or yourself. from now on for every thing u might come up with ill just go with read my probability example again. math never lies.
: Im gold 2 and a silver 4 ended up in my match and i have a 51% win ratio
: My main point is that you as an individual player are responsible to fill your role with 1 ban just like everyone else in the game. If the player cant do that then the enemy player is probably just better than them. You must set up your champion pool to counter these situations. When you put yourself in a scenario to be countered by 5 champions or 4 champions it doesnt really matter because the enemy now only has to play 1 out of those 4 or 5 champions. So no its not on the player who didnt ban nor does it give a player who's feeding their ass off a green light to blame the player that didnt ban. 1. Im not obligated to ban what you want 2. If theres a negative result from your lane, you chose your champ, you queued knowing you'd only get 1 ban, you're too blame under normal circumstances (no crazy amount of jungle pressure or ganks). 3. If you do want to blame someone else all you're doing is succumbing to your desire to make yourself feel better and think you didnt perform as well as your direct lane opponent. If i constantly get ganked but never gets ganks, is it my fault i lost lane or is it because i didnt ward, constantly shoved, and opened myself up to ganks that i got ganked. And this is referring to direct impacts on the lane instead of some potential pick that may/may not even happen because the player doesnt want to pick a safe laner when picking early.
dude again. understand basic math and probability please. 5 champs who i destroy vs 4 who do better into me. what is more likely to get picked out of the 2. theres a box with balls white balls are champs i beat. black balls are champs that beat me. you take out a black ball with ban. more chance of me taking a white ball and be victorious. theres many picks but that is how you help. you reduce the probability that i will get a counter (black ball). now bc its a counter i do worse in lane then i would be doing vs a champ i beat. enemy team is doing it for theirs. you are not doing it for yours. you dont know whats gonna get picked in enemy side but you think the worse case scenarios for your team and you try to eliminate one(the worse one possible you can think off) to increase the possibilty of better scenarios
: You completely took this in a different direction. We're not referring to banning. We're referring to banning for a teammate if i choose not to use the ban. I said what benefits would the team get from this and you responded with benefits from picking not from banning. You cant ban out every thing that counters your teammates/team comp lets make that clear. There will always be something out there that isnt banned to counter it, but even that is besides the point. Since what you're referring to is advantages of picking 2nd not of banning. And in no way, shape, or form if i dont ban a champion my teammate asked me to ban am i helping the enemy team. I didnt make the enemy team pick liss if my team picked zed. I couldve banned liss and they could pick diana or vlad. All in which case still counter zed. Which means then my ban meant nothing. Let me ask you when you queue up as a solo player do you expect to have 1 ban or 2? Do you set up your champion pool to handle situations where you can be counter picked (where your first pick)? I find it amazing how we can blame our teammates for our own faults. Then can i also say the reason im hardstuck is because my team? Because thats normally met with nah your teammates change your hardstuck because yourself. You control your player no one else can make you feed or do bad but your own mistakes. You control your pick theres champions who are safe picks if you're scared to get countered. Blaming your teammates for any reason is the sign of weak minded players who refuse to see their own shortcomings.
again re -read the last pharagraph in what i said. the 2d scenario is clear on what you just said above. read it again carefuly please. also every champ has a list of champs he does well into. theres lets say 5 i beat easily and 5 that got upper advantage. you banning one that has the upper advtange now means they remain in a 5-4 ratio. means more chance of one of the 5 champs i easily beat to be picked and not otherwise.
: "but their team ends up paying the price for their poor decision." "but you are totally to blame" "powerful tool" What advantage did it bring? Ive been asking for people to list a single advantage. Does it give more gold? A free kill? Better stats? Im only asking for 1 advantage it gives the enemy team over the player asking for the ban. Surely if it brings the disadvantage you claim you can answer that.
then you do not read. not banning a champion which threatens your team composition or an important member of the team maybe you included if you want to use it for your own lane, leads to a series during the game where you are more likely to loose fight maybe idividualy or teamfights based on the champion at hand. banning is a powerful tool to be taken full advantage off and not doing it means lowering the chance of you team winning. it maximises the chance that you, your team mates, or your team composition will not get countered if used correctly. EXAMPLE: if you are confident in your ability to do well but your adc is an ashe then what you do is you can potentially ban a mordekaiser or a jax who threaten her, or maybe a blitzcrank since she has no escapes if hooked. it means you give her an easier laning phase or late game teamfight scenario based on kits. increases the chances of her being a potential carry instead of a potential feeder or the first to fall in a teamfight. the idea is at any point use it for something to give someone may it be you or a team mate the advatage of a particula champ not being picked which if it does would threaten someone on your team due to being a good counter. EDIT: another scenario. you might pick a champion to whose irelia is a big problem to. but you are confident you can trade with her,but a team mate of yours cant. if you banned irelia you would be into an even better matchup for you even though you do fairly well against your counter + you would help out all other team mates who would strugle vs her and her ult. you see now how me who bans a champion for myself can in the same time help my team alot. even more if the champion picked is a meta champ. you are not totally to blame for loosing but becouse you decided not to ban anything then maybe the champion that someone else being in your place would ban would mean that their team had the upper hand in the game to start.
: Newsflash: every adc has every tool to make up for their own shortcomings, some even more overcompensated than Vayne, others more annoying to deal with. Caitlyn? Range, crit passive synergy with her self-peel. Ashe? CC and long range initiation. Twitch? STEALTH, which is more annoying that Vayne’s. Kai’sa? Long range poke, magic % damage, INVISIBILITY, speed, and can shred like Vayne, except with self peel. Jinx? Hyper carry potential that’s much more dangerous than Vayne (rawkets hurt). Ezreal? Huge kiting potential. Lucian? A better Vayne, as he needs no stealth to bully early game. Vayne, without her % true damage, would be nothing without it.
caitlyn barely has traps to make up for anything ganks included and a small escape barely out of melee hands. twitch has exchanged with vayne stealth for tumbles, which again with ult she can use invisibility and she can push the turget away. kaisa can peel if she hits her void seeker. jinx? getting in from her 3 traps its super easy compared to cait or anyone. she needs cc from someone else or someone running in a straight line to make use of them. lucian? he has his escape ability which again vayne has one aswell + push away + invisibility with R in whole cases mentioned above vayne has the kit to be more mobile then anyone. advantages given to her becouse she is shorter ranged where even if jumped on she can tumble and if in real trouble use R + the push away out of all the other adc's she is the worst to catch if tried to jump on out of mobility. so to end the case she has plenty of advantages becouse she is shorter ranged in her kit. its been already made up for. and again i EDIT: you want to give her %health true damage make it based on another stat not the enemys health bar. make it so the % is based on a stat of her own champion so it does not differentiate from tank to squishy so hard damage wise.
Myrmiron (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Salron88,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iB36GMvR,comment-id=00030004,timestamp=2019-10-07T11:19:15.886+0000) > > if the team mates decision is not based on the logic then i can bring it up for disscusion. OP didn't start a discussion, OP started a circlejerk, clearly visible by him poisoning the well in the headline already. There isn't a discussion happening because the high amount of upvotes together with the clear statement in the headline attracts loads of like minded people seeking some form of validation for their opinion downvoting all opposing opinions so their little dopamine rush doesn't get disturbed.
or we downvote them simply becouse compared to the valuble points we are making theirs is simply, well thats what i wanna do. this is no more of a circlejerk more then any other disscusion in the forums. its opinion and the majority of the people who feel that way get to choose if that thread makes sense or not to get the attention. its not a dopamine rush. its simple reasoning based on arguments. if to you calling this a circlejerk or dopaminerush makes you sleep better at night by all means please go ahead. but downvotes will be downvotues for coments like yours whose main point is to call people out then to discuss the subject with valuble points.
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