Bultz (NA)
: Can anyone actually confirm that this is a leak?
I kinda understand why some think that she can be piltovian or from around there, but we don't really know if that's base splash or just skin, only time will tell. That X she has on her metal piece at the end of the red... scarf? did make me thing of one of Jinxylord's numbered champions, but can't be, X is already {{champion:222}}
: Lore hints we need more Darkin champs.
It would be nice for Riot to finally release all 5, but apart from Varus' sister, it might be impossible to ever get all 5. With how much has happened in Runeterra, having the last Darkin not being trapped in the Shadow Isles from when they where the Blessed Isles, just falling into a Voidborn-Ridden cave where no one would ever find them or just in the depths of the sea, where only the likes of Voidborns, Nautilus or something way worse steps is quite likely
Lapis (OCE)
: Seeing the three new elderwood skins together is... kinda jarring.
She does feel a bit odd, can't deny, but I think that it's because she seems more flesh than flowers, leaves or wood, unlike the other Elderwood skins {{champion:7}} had something similar, but she is clearly made of something resembling plant fiber and has petals so she is more in sync with the skin theme than Ahri, that looks quite close to a Fox-Neeko
kolde16 (EUNE)
: The Darkin and the four(five) horsemen of the apocalypse
This has been theorized more or less since Aatrox came out. I'm not exactly sure if it has been ever confirmed or denied, but doubt it is the case, would be cool though
: Remember DOTA 2, Everything Riot does it to plagiarize dota 2 EXCEPT make a working client
> [{quoted}](name=loligotboosted,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kEUVmil2,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2019-08-14T01:33:07.968+0000) > > Remember DOTA 2, Everything Riot does it to plagiarize dota 2 EXCEPT make a working client Not everything, they have copied a lot of things though (and I mean A LOT), but still haven't copied the only thing I want them to WHERE'S YOUR INVOKER VERSION RIOT?
: I don't think that theory works because when shurimans ascend they get shaped by the powers together with their shuriman beliefs and cultures. Azir is a great example. In their culture eagles were always associated with leaders, Azir being the emperor got the eagle. Aatrox getting completely transformed into something way less shuriman and more targonian doesn't hold much water. But Aatrox being infused with the aspect of war is 99% possible. Or simply they are ancient forgotten Runeterran gods. I just want them to be canon at this point.
> [{quoted}](name=Camille Ferrøs,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=UFi5iduQ,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-13T21:34:17.066+0000) > > I don't think that theory works because when shurimans ascend they get shaped by the powers together with their shuriman beliefs and cultures. Azir is a great example. In their culture eagles were always associated with leaders, Azir being the emperor got the eagle. Aatrox getting completely transformed into something way less shuriman and more targonian doesn't hold much water. But Aatrox being infused with the aspect of war is 99% possible. Or simply they are ancient forgotten Runeterran gods. I just want them to be canon at this point. That depends if the Sun Disk sends the power with a shape associated, or just sends pure power and the mind of the one that takes it in shapes the form of their new body. If Aatrox became an ascended with X animal shape, but upon being torn away from his concept, the Animal Form also vanished because it was tied to the being instead of being given by the Disk, then what could be left would probably be pure power again, maybe shaped like the human mind that Aatrox still had before being defeated, or maybe reflecting the form that Darkins twisted for themselves (they do look somewhat human as far as we've seen) We lack too many data about all this...
: I'd like to preface this by saying I wasn't connecting Star Guardian and Dark Star skin lines, just providing context in showing that this Ekko idea isn't "evil", just "malignant" to both good and evil. That aside, I can see Star Guardian and Dark Star being connect. The reason they are typically connected is because nobody wants to believe that the cosmic threat which the alternate universe Star Guardians face are generic, canon universe void champions, which is what's being pushed by their game mode. It wouldn't seem creative if the threat to one of their prominent skin lines is a group of generic champions, so instead people will believe the threat to the parallel universe is another prominent skin line from a parallel universe--in this case, Dark Star. And it makes sense, since the Star Guardians are constantly facing the threat of the darkness of the Universe and Dark Star are literally creations of the darkness of a Universe. While Star Guardians were created to protect, Dark Stars were created from destruction. This is just my idea, but I would honestly and very easily believe that Dark Stars are what happens when Star Guardians fail. That aside, there's no reason as to why they can't add some skin lore to it. As a stand-alone skin, I don't think that it'd be worth much which is why I applied it to Academy Ekko and Battle Academia by extension. Sure, it's complex. It's not as complex as Project became, considering the lore for that didn't exist when Project Yasuo was first released. We now have an entire Project storyline that didn't come until a full year later, based on a one-off skin. Since we already have Academy and Battle Academia, as well as Ekko in general, a paranormal Ekko paradox bent on punishing people for their guilt caused by their failures isn't much more complex. Now that I'm typing this, we can even go further into the lore of it. Academy is hella anime, and as is typical with school-based anime is the concept of the seven mysteries of the school. Let's say that with this Ekko release, Riot decides to merge Academy and Battle Academia into a single universe. Ekko, having been prospected as capable of using a God weapon with his timy wimy nonsense is being oriented into the Durandal God-Weapon Academy, which is basically a higher institution from the typical Academy school. Before he received his God weapon, Ekko, Katarina, Ezreal, and a few other new Academy/Battle Academia skins are investigating the 7 mysteries. Solving these mysteries and discovering that they're just nonsense, as they approach the 7th mystery Ekko is becoming wary due to the fact that the 7th mystery may have something to do with a mistake he made and tried to fix with his rule-breaking Academy nonsense but never could. Finally reaching the 7th mystery, all of Ekko's guilt--and the subsequent release of his full potential because of his emotions--eventually culminates into this new Ekko skin who is holding Ekko's God weapon. That out of the way, there are a few questions I thought up regarding this skin. Should Ekko, who's already part of Academy, receive a Battle Academia skin in the case that Riot decides to combine the two lines? I mean, Ahri has Popstar which eventually became K/DA in-lore so no reason why not. Why would Ekko's weapon be bent? I'd say that it could just be a malfunction in it's design temporarily existing due to the immense power and paradoxical nonsense involved with it's user. Then, why is the Ekko paradox riding rollerblades? The reason Lil Slugger is riding skates, and wearing his hat and using the golden bat, is because Lil Slugger's design is the creation of a lie due to that girl's guilt. In this case, it can be because of Ekko's guilt in not being able to fix something or save someone, where he tried to wear skates to increase his speed. Every aspect of this new Academy/Battle Academia character considered, what comes after him? Two possibilities which all branch from the same result: the team who was investigating the mysteries battle the Ekko Paradox, finding themselves unable to stop it because, as it's based on Ekko who himself is extremely intelligent and has the power to repeat timeframes due to his power, it can perfect it's fighting against them. In the climax, Ekko, who is being taunted every step of the fight by his Paradox, eventually accepts all of his failings from before which causes him to assimilate the Paradox. From here, two events can follow: Either Ekko gains the full and untainted God-Weapon and fully joins the God-Weapon Academy or both the Paradox and the God Weapon disappear, having never actually existed in the first place. Nobody remembers them but Ekko, who decides to return to shenanigans Academy to live his life with a new sense of worth. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I NEED THIS.
Maybe the way to visually convey that this isn't Ekko but something else resembling him would be just like those "7 mysteries of X place" you talked about, do these kind of things, when someone is reflected by a cursed mirror and an evil clone is spawned, it usually has a sinister expression, a dark aura around them, like black or purple smoke, and in Ekko's case, it could also be constantly twitching, like a faulty hologram, as if he himself was a faulty copy of Ekko
: I definitely thought of that. But they don't look very targonian to me idk. But I would be satisfied even if they are the Aspects. It's definitely possible.
> [{quoted}](name=Camille Ferrøs,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=UFi5iduQ,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-13T20:51:57.887+0000) > > I definitely thought of that. But they don't look very targonian to me idk. But I would be satisfied even if they are the Aspects. It's definitely possible. We don't really know how True Targonian looks though, Panth is from Rakkor, Leona Solari, Diana and Zoe Lunari, Taric is Demacian... We have no idea about how the actual Aspects look like. I'm specially intrigued about The Warrior, and his resemblance to Aatrox. Ascended were supposed to lose their concept when they got imprisoned... but what if Aatrox was indeed "The Warrior", and his concept wasn't destroyed, but transformed and given to someone else?...ᴮʳᵉᵃᵈ Well, just lore rambling, I do hope they bring some lore with them, If only to scratch this itch
: Most likely not but mentions of them in stories would be really nice.
> [{quoted}](name=Camille Ferrøs,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=UFi5iduQ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-13T20:46:25.397+0000) > > Most likely not but mentions of them in stories would be really nice. I mean... one of them is called The Protector {{champion:44}} and another is called The Trickster{{champion:142}} so.. I suspect we might have seen some stories about them already....
Rioter Comments
: And most people I've seen, do **not** have ones they bought. We're just getting wave 2 of lootbox gambling to double down on monetizing people who are vulnerable to it because that's modern video games. "Why not?" they say, they already built the system for it.
> [{quoted}](name=Sona Ping,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yWabU1jV,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-13T18:41:06.137+0000) > > And most people I've seen, do **not** have ones they bought. > We're just getting wave 2 of lootbox gambling to double down on monetizing people who are vulnerable to it because that's modern video games. "Why not?" they say, they already built the system for it. Thing is that if they wanted to do a wave 2, they are doing it because it was profitable, if it wasn't they wouldn't be doing it. It does feel that this achievement system might blow up in their noses though, as most people that bough little legends came to lol just for little legends, and won't even try to buy achievements for something that isn't that. Only time will tell
: TLDR of Eternals
> [{quoted}](name=Velzard of Koz,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kEUVmil2,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-08-13T17:46:59.801+0000) > > > Next week, we will hold live stream with our Art Department that we also like to call The Mortar That Desperately Holds Our Shit Together. > The post is a good mix of pure salt and jokes, with some truth mixed there, but that part? that part really made me smile
Kürama (NA)
: Yea and it'll fail. If they really want money, they'd stop with the cash grabs and implement some long-term, sustainable monetization mechanisms.
> [{quoted}](name=Kürama,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yWabU1jV,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-08-13T18:19:22.927+0000) > > Yea and it'll fail. If they really want money, they'd stop with the cash grabs and implement some long-term, sustainable monetization mechanisms. People said something similar about Little Legends, and there we go, wave 2
Rioter Comments
: The Star Guardian Misfits!
The fact that there is no Urgot in that group saddens me
: Legendary Ekko skin (Name in progress!)
The idea is nice, but also the concept seems a little bit complex. The way you describe it would probably look like "Rebel Ekko" or "Lil'slugger Ekko" instead of "Evil Paradox Ekko", knowing what he actually is would require additional lore. I always fail to comprehend why people try to relate Star Guardians and Dark Stars just because they have Stars in their names. Star guardian are Magical Girls, Dark Stars are system or Galaxy-sized abominations of endless hunger, they aren't related in any way unless you count the world of the Star Guardians being devoured by a random Corruptant
: Wasn't this season suppose to advance the League lore?
Well, we could consider some stories like making the lore go forward, like Silence of the Damned, and we also got Ixtal, and.... Sylas? Yes, Sylas is also an advance on the story of Demacia, This year does seem a bit lacking in the Lore department, but it has been the same since Burning Tides more or less. I guess that by now the Lore team have enough material to be halfway the new Void wars, with all 5 darkins and loads of things we can't even imagine, but they aren't letting much of that get to us, and thus following the lore is getting a bit frustrating, to say the least
: Kayn has no way of winning against Rhaast. Suffocate him with shadow magic? It won't work. Rhaast is already suffocating in his weapon for thousands of years. The inevitable end is that Rhaast wins.
> [{quoted}](name=Pyronaaxa,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=8ZIWRmb9,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2019-08-09T23:05:48.011+0000) > > Kayn has no way of winning against Rhaast. > > Suffocate him with shadow magic? It won't work. Rhaast is already suffocating in his weapon for thousands of years. > > The inevitable end is that Rhaast wins. Actually when Kayn ascends to Shadow Assassin, the animation does seem like pouring lots of Shadow magic inside the scythe, and the result is an inert scythe, warped to suit Kayn's tastes. If that's not suffocating Rhaast's personality so he can't come out or express himself in any way, it can only mean that Kayn is actually killing Rhaast, no other way to explain how Kayn stays alone and has complete control of the scythe. As I wrote before, yes, its quite probable that Rhaast will be back sooner or later to claim back Kayn's body, due to how different both are in nature
: > [{quoted}](name=Sancre,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=8ZIWRmb9,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-08-08T22:07:43.306+0000) > > Does Kayn ever gets to really defeat Rhaast? Rhaast is inmmortal by virtue of his curse, if it was that easy Aatrox would have tried that already. What probably happens is that Kayn suffocates Rhaast with shadow magic, sending him to sleep and leaving behind the power of an ascended (but not the Darkin Blood Magic). When Kayn finally dies, and his shadow magic can no longer affect Rhaast, he will probably wake up, finding an old and decrepit corpse, useless to him... If Kayn didn't get the Ascended's inmortality when becoming Shadow Assassin that is... I don't think kayn can overpower an ascended, even with shadow magic
> [{quoted}](name=Script or Stack,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=8ZIWRmb9,comment-id=000500000001,timestamp=2019-08-13T01:54:55.037+0000) > > I don't think kayn can overpower an ascended, even with shadow magic Well, he does seem to be able to overpower Rhaast, a former Ascended, leaving a warped and lifeless scythe brimming with power, that in turn ascends Kayn so he becomes a Master of Shadows. If this overpowering lasts for long or not, that is something that we will probably never know, as Kayn's story can't go forward due to that making one of his forms canon
: Abyssal Star Aatrox VS Cosmic Emperor Pantheon
What can I say, it looks gorgeous, and if you hadn't told us that it's not from RIOT, I would've believed it was official art for skins. I would change some things about Aatrox's skin, so it resembled more normal corruptant and not Rhaast, that is special due to Ora influx, but besides that it's simply perfect for both champions
PzyXo (EUW)
: Don't.Ruin.This.Year's.VS.Event.
Oh... gonna give you some bad news... remember the Cat Vs Dogs event earlier this year?...
Falrein (EUW)
: Random idea - The Ionian Wars and their remnants
That war was probably related to the Void in some way, as everything is being tied to the Void since the last years. Would be nice to find out that the Heart of Ionia itself housed an Ancient Evil that was unknown until now, but might be a little bit overload for Ionia, as they are already focused in Noxus, another threat would probably outright delete them... although Bilgewater has Shadow Islands and Swimming City and seems to be holding out well so...
Sharjo (EUW)
: TL;DR Lore: The Void
Considering what they said about the Void-Hearts, Kassadin wishing to die and also that the best characters are the ones that die in a tragic way... I wouldn't mind that Kassadin's rework put an end to his story as a human, giving him the freedom of death, and he came back reworked as a voidborn, keeping some still memories from the corpse it once was, about Kai'sa and Kassadin's wife
: _loudly clears throat_ _deep breath_ JHIN X LULU IS CANON!
> [{quoted}](name=4 Step Cadence,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=EkfmnVtU,comment-id=000300000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-08-12T01:36:40.728+0000) > > _loudly clears throat_ > > _deep breath_ > > JHIN X LULU IS CANON! Thanks, now my soul just puked a bit and I feel sick without even imagining that Going back to the topic I won't even try to reason anymore, he is too stuck in his idea of Garen and Taric, at first I thought it was a normal troll, but he has been adamant in keeping it going for a couple of weeks now, and I'm starting to think that it's no troll anymore, but someone that genuinely thinks that Garen and Taric have a secret relationship. I recommend you to do the same, as I've seen you in all of his topics, trying to reason with someone that don't wanna hear the truth, and that will only lead you to frustration. The only way to end this madness is to starve him/her/it of attention.
: Pyke is what?
As some fellow players have written before me, What little we know about Pyke is that he is some kind of Revenant revived by Jaullfish Magic or maybe something even worse that we still don't know of. By his story, sapphilite seems to be related to him, being maybe the origin of his water-related powersas his eye does seem blue enough to pass as something similar to what the Jaullfish had inside. Its just theory at this point, but he might be a corpse revived by sapphilite (forcefully introduced in his brain through the eye cavity) and controled as a puppet by the "fishes" that brought him back. It's unlucky that regarding the Lovecraftian tones around not only Pyke but also Bilgewater, we might never know the truth of the Swimming City
: thank you. i just scared now i think yeah they can't put a demon on jhin he is not a demon and every one loves him so it is completely impossible :) {{champion:202}} <3 {{sticker:sg-lux}} {{sticker:sg-jinx}}
> [{quoted}](name=SonOf SakuraTree,realm=EUW,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=we4a4VNl,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-10T11:24:25.937+0000) > > thank you. i just scared now i think yeah they can't put a demon on jhin he is not a demon and every one loves him so it is completely impossible :) > {{champion:202}} <3 > {{sticker:sg-lux}} {{sticker:sg-jinx}} Yeah, Jhin is no demon but in name, so he wouldn't be put in Demon class, probably in the recently added Hextech family due to Whisper, or maybe in another Ionian-related class further down the line
: I'd say the Sun Disk's "criteria" could be similar to Illaoi's test of spirit. So it doesnt actually take the individual's 'moral compass' into account so much as the individual's willpower and/or something else. But it isnt literally anyone can become Ascended, as there are Bacci who had completely failed and deformed during the ritual. But again, people can fail Illoai's test as well.
> [{quoted}](name=Whyte Lyon,realm=OCE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=aVQqe4VW,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-08-08T23:55:19.925+0000) > > I'd say the Sun Disk's "criteria" could be similar to Illaoi's test of spirit. > > So it doesnt actually take the individual's 'moral compass' into account so much as the individual's willpower and/or something else. But it isnt literally anyone can become Ascended, as there are Bacci who had completely failed and deformed during the ritual. But again, people can fail Illoai's test as well. We could really use some info about the Baccai. How to fail Illaoi's test is somewhat clear, Dying or just not fighting for your life is a zero, while fighting and surviving means passing with honors, there doesn't seem to be middle ground as far as I know. What we don't know is what triggers a fail with the Sun Disk, as it seems you can't do much there, just get up the pedestal, get sprayed by sun and hope for the best. As far as we know, it could be a "Strong Will" or something like that what defines if the chosen will turn into Baccai, Ascended or... ashes, in a similar way to how Targonian Aspects define who they will inhabit by climbing Mount Targon
: Rhaast is an Ascended. and I think it was said that becoming an ascended does not necessarily mean you were a morally good person. Rhaast in my mind has always been a monster. just he can do it without true consequence now
> [{quoted}](name=TheMan292,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=aVQqe4VW,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-08-08T21:47:07.002+0000) > > Rhaast is an Ascended. and I think it was said that becoming an ascended does not necessarily mean you were a morally good person. > > Rhaast in my mind has always been a monster. just he can do it without true consequence now Depends on what the Sun Disk considers "worthy", as far as i know no actual criteria has been given for choosing who is worthy and who is not. Renekton was sure that he would be destroyed while leading Nasus up the Disk, but instead he was reborn through sun, Xerath shouldn't probably be worthy, but he found some way to mess with the Disk, and he got way more power than normal Ascended out of the stolen ray
: Kayn and Rhaast should pull a We Are Venom
In a perfect world, symbiosis would be the third choice, giving birth to a violet Shadow Assassin with armor and horns, fusing both Shadow Arts and Blood Magic to a degree never witnessed before... but that won't happen, as both are too egoistical and hard headed to even think about cooperating, as that would mean leaving behind their former goals, or at least altering them. Rhaast wants mass murder and chaos, while Kayn wants to rule the Order of the Shadows, make Zed proud and kill only what's necessary, and neither wants to give up any of their goals
: Tbh even if Kayn is exceptional and mentally strong i don't think he should be able to defeat Rhast. Rhast is an ascended he should be above any human by default.
> [{quoted}](name=Hayaishi2,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=8ZIWRmb9,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-08-08T21:52:48.835+0000) > > Tbh even if Kayn is exceptional and mentally strong i don't think he should be able to defeat Rhast. Rhast is an ascended he should be above any human by default. Does Kayn ever gets to really defeat Rhaast? Rhaast is inmmortal by virtue of his curse, if it was that easy Aatrox would have tried that already. What probably happens is that Kayn suffocates Rhaast with shadow magic, sending him to sleep and leaving behind the power of an ascended (but not the Darkin Blood Magic). When Kayn finally dies, and his shadow magic can no longer affect Rhaast, he will probably wake up, finding an old and decrepit corpse, useless to him... If Kayn didn't get the Ascended's inmortality when becoming Shadow Assassin that is...
Sancre (EUW)
: Friendship doesn't really require shared interest, same as relationship also doesn't, it does help if there are some though
> [{quoted}](name=GayrensTari,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=JlVpN4e8,comment-id=00010000000100000000000000000000000000000001000100000004,timestamp=2019-08-06T00:14:49.777+0000) > > If you don't do anything with your friend and simply just be a listener when your friends needs to talk then your friend must have done something in return of your favor of being a listener, otherwise there will not be on going friendship, as no one can always be the giver for getting nothing in return. Friend is mutal. Garen and taric do not share the common interests and there is something bound them together for sure. > > I'm talking about things based on lore not in game team up playing, sona is support and she can team up with anyone. > > It never said garen no longer want to be friend with taric. He protected him all the way to the mountain, showing he still loves him. If he really dislike him then he can refuse to sentence him to the mountain and let other people do it. He wants to make sure he is alive not being killed or tortured by his haters. > > Jarvan is garen's boss, so you know how it is with your boss, that kind of protecting is not romance like. > > As I said, weather or not swain and other creatures know people's secret or hearts, it's not in lore, it's in game champion quotes, which > are exaggarated from the lore, it's fanon, for amusement, like miss fortune's joke " how do you like my gun" ect. Plus, there is no document saying they are always correct. > > I didn't say they don't have anything similar. I actually said they have similar path in other replies before. They have similar fighting style too, but also different : > garen = tanky, might of sword > kat = squishy, assasin of double blades > As you see, they are both very independant type of fighters. They can team up, any champions can team up for more damage, but they are just not the "perfect match". > Garen found honor in this assasin, that's not romance love. You can joke around saying they are romance because they are male and female, but that does not mean they can be in love just because they honor each other in battle. Plus, there is no lore saying they are in love. > > Taric never shared the common interests with garen in demacia, he never liked fighting, but garen is a fighter guy, and garen wants to protect taric ,even if they are so different, that's something beyond friendship, as garen do not need to do so. He is noble and he can get pretty much everything he wants, what do you think taric can give him in return? > > Taric = sheild of valoran > Garen = might of sword > > They should be the pairing. It's like valmar and kai, they are one. Yeah, true friendship is mutual, it implies being a listener, speaker and also doing things together, as much as you don't always enjoy that activity that much. After Taric was demoted and dishonored for losing his soldiers to the Voidborns, Garen was already at his limit due to how much Taric disregarded his potential as a soldier of Demacia, but they did share interests as they were fellow soldiers, just time changed things and over time Garen focused more on Demacia, while Taric wished to protect Runeterra. You seem to be misremembering something, Garen never went with Taric to the mountain, just sentenced him to the Stone Crown, that is a death penalty, and expelled him off Demacia. From that moment on Garen and Taric weren't friends anymore, and Taric was just a pariah for Demacia, and by extension, Garen. Garen never even tried to help him, by hiding his "crimes" like he does with Lux Jarvan is Garen's friend since many, many years, they are brothers in arms while also Garen activelly protects him (lore backed this time) Actually, Swain's demon is described in his lore "an ancient entity, preying upon the dying and consuming their secrets, as it had attempted to consume his own. Swain stared into that darkness, seeing what even it could not: a way to wield it." Tahm's description also assures us that he is good at what he does, as he feeds on misery, no surprise that he is eyeing Kat and Garen, whose romance would bring misery to someone, no matter what, but that's the sweetest part. Why would anyone say that just because they respect each other and are male and female, they have a romantic bond? Does anyone say that {{champion:98}} and {{champion:84}} are in love? Does anyone say that {{champion:157}} and {{champion:163}} are in love? (Note: Taliyah is in love with Ekko, but seems one-sided by now, tough luck) But everyone KNOWS that Neeko is Lesbian, or that Varus is 2/3 gay, Jhin is gunsexual, and not all of this is backed by pure lore in universe, but all of these are less exposed that Garen and Katarina's romance Also, don't try to bring to the table that people don't admit it because they don't like muscular men being gay, as I've seen you do before, there are too many Jojo fans around the world for that to be a valid excuse for anything at this point Garen wants to protect Demacia AT ALL costs, thats why he is "The Might of Demacia", not the might of sword as you said, he doesn't care about Valoran, nor about Taric
Sancre (EUW)
: Friendship doesn't really require shared interest, same as relationship also doesn't, it does help if there are some though
> [{quoted}](name=GayrensTari,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=JlVpN4e8,comment-id=00010000000100000000000000000000000000000001000100000002,timestamp=2019-08-05T22:32:13.651+0000) > > Ture friend share mutal interests. Otherwise how can they be friends? If you simply appreciate someone, there is only appreciating but not friends, to be friends with someone takes mutal interests. For example, you appreciate a guy, and you wanna friend him, you need to do things with him, not just appreciate him in your head, and doing thing with him is something mutal, as you can not force him to do things he doesn't want to do. You know what I'm saying? It take common interests. > > Garen doesn't need someone to do the damage, he is warrior, a fighter, all he need is someone supporting him if needed, stun and heal for him. A warrior is a tanky fighter. while, assasin is a also a damage dealer, but the fighting style is more sneaky as they are squishy. > > I saw the journal and there is no romance. It just says kat , jarvan4 and garen teamed up for investigation during a war, by that time, she was ally, and thats why garen need to protect her. It's totally different from him protecting taric. Taric is hated by everyone, but garen still want to be at his side. It also says in the lore that garen is the only one sees the potential of taric, which means he just likes him regardless others say shet about him. Garen is a disciplined warrior and taric is a free will guy, they are so different, why do you think garen wants to protect him so much? That is something beyond friendship. > > Where did it say tham and swain knows people's heart? Also where it says they are always correct? And most importantly, the in game champion quotes are not original lore, they are exagerated from lore, it's fanon, for amusement. The original lore does not contain any romance between kat and garen. She is like a soul sister to him. They don't look like couple at all. > > - Garen is the might of sword, kat is a female assasin killing with 2 blades, how is that a match up? Taric is the shield of valoran, he and garen are the perfect match. True friends often share interest, but its not 100% necessary. For doing something, you don't need to actually like it, being a good friend often means doing activities you don't enjoy that much but you know your friend does enjoy, that's caring about someone and wanting him/her to be happy (one of the many ways to, at least), it just take kindness and friendship. So... Garen X Sona now? Gonna copy here the fragment, the service was called "Blitzcrank’s Fleshing Compatibility Services", featured in the Journal of Justice ages ago "Blitzcrank: “THE CLOSED BETA PERIOD WAS LIMITED TO LEAGUE CHAMPIONS AND SUMMONERS AND RESULTED IN A 99.8% SURVIVAL RATE AMONGST ALL PARTICIPANTS. ONLY ONE FATALITY RESULTED FROM INCOMPATIBLE PAIRINGS. EVEN SEVERAL LEAGUE CHAMPIONS WERE SUCCESSFULLY MATCHED AND REMAIN IN THEIR SUGGESTED RELATIONSHIP TYPES TO THIS DAY. EXAMPLES INCLUDE LEAGUE CHAMPION AsheSquare.png ASHE MATCHED WITH LEAGUE CHAMPION TRYNDAMERE, LEAGUE CHAMPION KATARINA MATCHED WITH LEAGUE CHAMPION GAREN, AND LEAGUE CHAMPION JANNA MATCHED WITH SUMMONER BOB NASHAHAGO.”" [Blitzcrank’s Fleshing Compatibility Services Link](https://lol.gamepedia.com/The_Journal_of_Justice/Volume_1,_Issue_17) Garen no longer wants to be besides his friend Taric, as he is just an exile that no longer belongs to Demacia. Honestly, by your logic, Jarvan x Garen would actually be more logical than Taric. Swain doesn't know people's hearts, he know their secrets, the ones they can't tell to anyone Like Ashe's Bow origin, Garen's inner magic, Katarina's deceit about the killer of her father or even about the siblings of Aurelion Sol, so yeah, he is always right. About Tham? It would be really weird if a Demon that feeds on despair caused by the inner desires of people was wrong in what the wish was, don't you think? Demons feed of that and can't be wrong. Soul sister, didn't you just said that they have nothing in common? How can they be soul siblings? From my point of view it could be, but you have said over and over that people can't be friends without sharing common interest, but neither Kat or Garen do, yet they are paired, and so are in love, Taric and Garen shared a common interest once, now Garen is stuck in Demacia while Taric protects the whole Runeterra and loves everyone equally as the aspect of The Protector
Sancre (EUW)
: Friendship doesn't really require shared interest, same as relationship also doesn't, it does help if there are some though
> [{quoted}](name=GayrensTari,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=JlVpN4e8,comment-id=00010000000100000000000000000000000000000001000100000000,timestamp=2019-08-05T16:37:42.179+0000) > > I'm afraid friendship does require shared interests. Think about you and your friends. If you do not share mutal interests , then why you want to be friend with him? > > Garen = sword, taric = sheild, they are a good match, strong bound. > Just saying, comapred with garen and kat, Katarina is female assasin using 2 blades, she fight like a man. I don't see how she is a match for garen. She is more like garen's sister if not side kick. > > The original writter didn't intend to pair them up, that's why there is no romance in the lore. the romance jokes are all fanon stuffs from champion quotes in game. From personal experience, yes, you don't need to share interest with someone for it to be a true friend, you just need to find someone that appreciate the good things on you, and you appreciate the good things on him/her. Garen is righteousness, Katarina is treachery, he is a warrior that soaks damage, while needing an assassin that can end the job, she is an assassin that needs someone to take a bullet for her so she can end the job. they are both total, polar opposites, and is that where the balance, the irony also, stands I really would like to see a male asassin fighting in such flexible and athletic way as Katarina, the closest we are is Talon, and is nowhere close. The Original Writer also got some references to Katarina X Garen in the Journal of Justice, in the form of Blitzcrank's pairing machine (don't cite me on the name, might not be accurate), an d let me tell you, there isn't much more Original Lore than The JoJ. There aren't all jokes, just many, many voicelines, the most prominent ones being Tham and Swains, that are demons specialized in knowing heart's true desire and secrets. If you start saying that they lie, then all voicelines are a lie, and we have no lore, because some voicelines also talk about things that happened in universe stories.
: > [{quoted}](name=Umbral Regent,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=E2l2jdV5,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-05T15:56:24.843+0000) > > I mean, the Void quite literally only wants to end the existence of Runeterra and the physical realm so that the Void can be silent and stagnant and "nothing" again. There's really no chance that Viktor's evolution would succeed if he surrendered to the Void. Consume, evolve, adapt Sounds a lot like viktor
Well, Victor isn't that much about consuming. The other 2 parts are great, what comes after, something along the lines of "End all living beings" seems a bit more unsuitable for good old Victor. Not counting that Victor wants to turn into a machine, and Voidborns are quite far from machine
: Friendship requires shared interests. Garen and Taric do not share the same interests. And yet, Garen still protect him. That's something beyond friend.
Friendship doesn't really require shared interest, same as relationship also doesn't, it does help if there are some though
: canon fan , official fan, same thing
Fan-canon is something that hasn't been confirmed by the Writer, but it's believed to be so by the community Canon is something stated by the Writer What you are doing with Taric x Garen with no proof but your own wishes is simply Fan-Fiction As much as you try to spin it, AbiwonKenabi just gave you a perfectly right answer
: In fact, Garen and taric are the forbbiden love. Garen protect him all the time,even if everyone hates him. That's not something a man do for another man if they are just friends. And the hinted relationship between garen and kat is honor and respects in the rivals. If you found someone you thought is bad to be actually an admiring person, can I suppose you want to be with him? I read all the old resources already and I don't see any romance factor. The champion quotes are canon fan stuff for amusement, they are not lore. It's like I joking around saying you and your co worker look like a couple, that does not make you fall in love with him. Forcing 2 competitors to be lovers is awkward, if not cruel. Please stop doing so.
Garen no longer protects him cause Taric was exiled, so it would probably kill Taric on sight if he ever stepped in Demacia again. The Garen and Katarina relationship hinted by supernatural beings like "The Demon of Secrets" (he know people's secrets, you know?) is love, the same love RIOT has been hinting in so many other ways. Also yes, if i admired someone like Katarina, I would want to be with her, can't blame Garen or Kat, as both are champions and interesting people with different values. The Champion Quotes are **canon**, written by RIOT, the one that makes the Lore, the only fan written thing here is your GarenxTaric Yep, having 2 competitors being lovers is cruel, but that is life, and it happens more often than any of us expects
: That is still not announced as gay couple, but you can tell that's not brotherly love. I said many times, Garen protect Taric all the time from his haters. Taric is hated by almost everyone, but Garen still protect him, they do not share the same interests, why you think he needs to protect him? That takes something beyond friendship.
You wouldn't protect your best friend from those that hated him/her unless you had romantic feelings?
: A legendary shitposter. Basically, its like this. Wukong is in Ahri's related champions tab on her page despite them never meeting in the current lore to my knowledge. People often speculated that they were a couple and shipped them because of this. Xano, however, hated the ship, and wanted Wukong to be removed from Ahri's related champions tab. His way of doing that was to constantly shitpost about how much he supported Ahri x Wukong, in posts much like these. Apparently, his plan was to make people hate the ship so much that Riot would remove Wukong from Ahri's page. At least, that's what I heard.
If i'm not mistaken, the AhrixWukong came from a fan animation where they were depicted being in love. I think that Syndra was also related to Zed by a Fancomic, but might be misremembering. RIOT decided to honor this by adding them in each other's related list as some kind of easter egg
: They are supposed to be rivals, yes, you are right about that one, but they love each other??? well I can't tell from the lore, neither old lore nor new one. Funny the new lores doesn't even mention they know each other. However they keep forcing them to be partners in game by renewing champions quotes. Plus, it's not reasonable for garen to love her, assasin is the most hated kind by warriors. Taric, on the other hand, makes more sense, as they both live in demacia working for the military, Garen protect him all the time.
> [{quoted}](name=Hunkmenlordy,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=JlVpN4e8,comment-id=00000000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-04T16:57:26.503+0000) > > They are supposed to be rivals, yes, you are right about that one, but they love each other??? well I can't tell from the lore, neither old lore nor new one. Funny the new lores doesn't even mention they know each other. However they keep forcing them to be partners in game by renewing champions quotes. > > Plus, it's not reasonable for garen to love her, assasin is the most hated kind by warriors. > > Taric, on the other hand, makes more sense, as they both live in demacia working for the military, Garen protect him all the time. I know you are a troll, but I can't help answering this The hinted relationship between Garen and Katarina is a forbidden love, not only because of Demacia and Noxus, but also because they are as different as it gets, yet still they want to be together. Taric and Garen were friends, and the last act that Garen did for his friend was saving his life by sending him to die at Targon. That's it, Taric and Garen are no longer related. There was always friendship between them, but now? Now there is nothing. As much as you wish to see love between them, even if that ever existed, it no longer exists, proven by how RIOT have never hinted at them, and I'm pretty sure that they do know way more than you or me about each of their characters.
FSRER (EUNE)
: Meh. The skin itself is not good. Not only the attack animations are lacking but so does the concept. The whole skin is just a dragon stance Udyr and it is totally not worth all this rp
Particle-wise is even better than SG, the concept is more or less along the lines of what udyr is and what dragon-related champions in that universe are. Udyr is chaneling the power of many dragons, the only lacking thing is that we don't get told wich dragons is he channeling or shown how they are
Vlada Cut (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Sancre,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=8gncQGcE,comment-id=0002000100000000,timestamp=2019-08-01T11:14:06.663+0000) > > She just needs to get the attention of the players for publicity. Sadly RIOT won't do any drastic changes to her design at this point, as they have never done before. Honestly it would feel bad that Jinx got those kind of changes, considering that this has been denied in the past for other, often less popular, champions. > > In a perfect world, Proyect Jinx would look like the Fan-art, Lancer Blitz would hover, Morde, Morg and Kayle would have particle changes in all skins that required this and many more examples, but it isn't the case. I can only advice those that don't like the Proyect Jinx skin not to buy it Doesn't necessarely have to mean that. Afterall, a Jinx VU is something thst cslan save her many old skins, including PROJECT: Jinx. : ^)
Well, in 7 years maybe... yes, it can fix her skins, hope they give her different colors in all her particles, so she doesn't get Morde'd
: > I can only see topics about her, while the rest of proyect skins went by like if it was nothing He doesn't mean the attention of the players, he means the attention of Riot. She gets so many skins and gets so much love from the Art Riot team that if this time she's left with a more generic skin it's not the end of the world.
She just needs to get the attention of the players for publicity. Sadly RIOT won't do any drastic changes to her design at this point, as they have never done before. Honestly it would feel bad that Jinx got those kind of changes, considering that this has been denied in the past for other, often less popular, champions. In a perfect world, Proyect Jinx would look like the Fan-art, Lancer Blitz would hover, Morde, Morg and Kayle would have particle changes in all skins that required this and many more examples, but it isn't the case. I can only advice those that don't like the Proyect Jinx skin not to buy it
: Honestly, it's about time that Jinx wasn't the center of attention when being released in a group skin line.
Are you sure she hasn't been the center of attention? I can only see topics about her, while the rest of proyect skins went by like if it was nothing
: Still, he is big, he is an ascendant, not a normal human warrior. Him just leaving a mark on his chest and shield seems so unrealistic.
Keep in mind that Aatrox is that big when he has gathered a good amount of flesh from corpses, after a fight to death with Pantheon he likely was reduced to a more normal size due to flesh loss. Also, yes, Aatrox wouldn't have left a corpse there, he gathers all he needs to become stronger, to the point of compromising the whole stability of his crafted body. I doubt there would be greater pleasure for Aatrox than using the corpse of an Aspect as part of his own flesh as pure mockery (besides dying)
Sukishoo (NA)
: Dragon Oracle Udyr and Hextech Rammus incoming alongside Pantheon!
Wait, you're telling me that Udyr is getting a skin, and that it looks so good? Awww, gotta have to find new jokes about champions without skins. GJ RIOT, it looks amazing
: New Pantheon lore: Pantheon and the Ascended
> [{quoted}](name=RyzeTheSmurfMage,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=KLAW6e2W,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-07-29T19:16:35.245+0000) >whenever the Shurima plot gets continued, maybe Pantheon will play a part. But now there's the question, what part? Would he try to get rid of both sides, or just Xerath? Or would he at first ally with Azir to get rid of Xerath then backstab him in order to get rid of all the Ascended? If lore was to be ever continued, yes, Pantheon would be involved in all of this in some way or another, and might have quite a lot to fix regarding the other aspect. Wouldn't be surprised if he decided to become an Aspect-Slayer too. He can't really do much about Darkins, only delaying them, but might be able to achieve something against Xerath or at least Renekton. He might try to kill Nasus too, but Nasus is seen as a walking myth, and he means no harm to humans, while Azir is actually bringing Shurima back to life. In the end he will probably end like the rest of Ascended though, facing the Void
Falrein (EUW)
: Who's more powerful - Ryze or Syndra?
Syndra no doubt, she has true, untamed power, we don't even know the actual reach of her power due to her being neglected by the lore team, but we can be sure that her power only grows, while Ryze is old and while incredibly experienced and resourcefull, he lacks firepower comparable to Syndra. Wouldn't discard the possibility of Ryze using some elaborate strategy and spells to avoid being crushed on sight, but the odds are quite one sided. If he was to use the runes through... nothing can be assured in that situation.
: He's probably getting a Christmas skin. Grumpy Reindeer Santa Ornn. He's old and isolated and doesn't know how the world works anymore and he makes toys for kids only to have them not like/appreciate them. Or, maybe, they could make him Krampus for a less silly feeling skin.
Instead of a Nintendo Switch, he gives Molten Edges as presents.... that doesn't sound that bad actually
usul1202 (NA)
: How would you skin the unskinnables?
Gonna use some from other concepts i've made, but I'm also gonna make most of these right now, so they might sound iffy. {{champion:77}} Master Arcade Udyr A veteran arcade player, known for being the only player to ever defeat the mighty Mordekaiser before this one disappeared. His incredible play style, being able to switch between total offense, total defense, speedrunning or just bursting down everything on the run granted him the title of "Master of Arcades" {{champion:72}} Ora Beast Skarner A creature originating from the Odyssey universe, having evolved after consuming enough Ora, this beast have integrated the gold substance into his organism, and with it a miriad voices contained in it. What was before a wild beast, is now a gentle soul that looks forward to help others through the use of Ora, quite a rarity, considering that Ora overload turn most sentient species extremely violent {{champion:101}} Arcade Core Xerath An unknown entity of myths, said to be the root of all videogames. With a pixelated armor and a body overflowing with codes both ancient and recently made, this almighty being is supposed to be the key to dominating the whole Arcade World. Always part of legends among the best arcade players, his existence has finally been confirmed after Veigar started to look everywhere for hints of his location. {{champion:26}} Death Blossom Zilean Looks can be deceiving, and Zilean is a good example of this. Posing as the pacific spirit of a gigant,white flower on his back, this voracious being devours the lifeforce of others and when they are broken, make them bloom again as another Death Blossom {{champion:82}} Glitched Boss Mordekaiser Formerly the most cruel and villanous boss of all, not even his legendary strenght, able to keep it unbeatable to all but the best player, could help him when one of his minibosses empowered by the code itself managed to banish him, to where the Thrash Data is sent and deleted. Mordekaiser refused to disappear, he recomposed himself from 0s and 1s, and it has come back to delete Veigar and recover his former power by integrating the Arcade Core. Mordekaiser was such a hard boss that many books were written as walkthroughs just to know how to get close to defeat him, but since he became a glitched unit with an ever-spasming pixelated armor and oozing bug energy, only one book remains: "The Great Book of Mordekaiser's Glitches". {{champion:421}} Ora Beast Rek'sai A creature of the Odyssey universe that absorbed enough Ora to turn sentient, deciding then to use this newfound power in order to create an underground territory where her whole race can live in peace. As a mother, she can give the gift of Ora-powered sentience to others of her kind. While they still can't speak, they have made really interesting progress that often surprise explorers that stumble upon their nest planets Lady Rek'Sai An elegant and exotic lady, married to the gentlemany Cho'Gath, both conform a high standing couple that overflow with nobility. She can't really talk, but it would be the first skin with subtitles in League of Legends. {{champion:38}} Odyssey Kassadin Maybe the most famous explorer in the universe, Kassadin has been everywhere and done almost anything. Filled with endless determination, experience and resourcefullness, Kassadin uses wit, brawn and equipment to flawlessly surpass any obstacle during his adventures. {{champion:161}} Ora Beast Vel'koz A former Odyssey skin that has turned into a filantropist due to the effect of excessive amounts of Ora. This creature protects the humanity from all harm with searing rays of golden energy. Abyssal Vel'koz One of the most feared giant creatures along with Crabgot, this being swims in complete silence and sinks ships and even planes with his kilometric tentacles and powerfull blast of boiling water {{champion:14}} WorldBreaker Sion A titan that rose from the "Cradle of the WorldBreakers", born from the soul of a man that died due to the curse that gets imposed to those that dare enter the Cradle. Ready to end the World as we know it, pulverizing everything that dares to stand in his way. {{champion:56}} Squeaky Nocturne A toy villain, while incredibly cruel, squeaking everytime a kid squeezes him has led to some psychological issues...that he can't really take on everyone due to his plastic blades {{champion:102}} Chameleon Shyvana A magical chameleon that can turn into a beautiful woman wearing a Chameleon onesie. While in human form she can use nature magic to attack her foes, is when she takes her true form of a huge Chameleon when things get serious... however no one is sure wich color will she be every time the transformation happens, she can only hope that is the right one to camouflage and flee if things get out of hand {{champion:203}} Eclipse Kindred The Solar Lamb and the Lunar Wolf, always running away from each other, always running towards each other. A Spirit of contradiction that craves to be one again with their other half, and that upon finally achieving their dream, will open the door to the Ancient Gods and eternal damnation {{champion:106}} New Future Volibear A miraculous augmented creature, born from the aliance of Piltover and Zaun, creating a living beast fueled by both Chemtech and Hextech, way sturdier and powerful than any other natural occurring beast before {{champion:44}} God-Hammer Taric (God-Hair Taric if you want to see {{champion:266}} pop a vein) A compassionate and handsome man that achieved godhood by using his hammer to protect others. The radiance only improved all his positive qualities, so right now is quite hard to contemplate such divine beauty, as it burns like the morning sun, while striking like a cataclysm for those that harm the innocent {{champion:429}} A young witch from the coven that uses thorns from ancient gods in order to make her enemies bend their knee, even when she is losing her humanity due to having such eldrich artifact always besides her
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