: > [{quoted}](name=Shaco my BFF,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XWRXvPxH,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2016-12-18T15:52:21.036+0000) > > Thing is, I'm not completely new to League, but this is my "main" account, as if I don't have any other accounts this advanced. I played League on and off since season 1 ending/ season 2 beginning. > > Also I wouldn't mind being placed against platinum and diamond players, if my teammates were the same skill level. I'm just sick of having some silver-gold teammates (at best) when going against these platinum - diamond guys. Also I HATE the solo players vs premade groups thing. > Often when my team has a supposedly "platinum" ranked player, they're like a handicapped donkey trying to play League. Out of 20 games vs Diamonds and Platinums, I had normal teammates in maybe 5. Rest games were surrender at 20 or open mid. For examples: I had a "Platinum" Riven "main" in my team, guy went 1-6 at top lane vs unranked player who last played ranked in season 5. I was 2-1-0 as jungler at the same time. Bottom and mid lane got also stomped. Second example, where I was jungling again and I was 15 kills in as Yi, my teammates all "gold", "platinum", "diamond" were 0-5 or something like that. CLEARLY, my teammates were no where near being the skill level their "rank" indicates. > > TL;DR: I don't mind playing against people higher level and (maybe) higher ranking than me, if my teammates are equal skill level. But unfortunately, this isn't the case (most of the time) and I feel like I'm just being trolled. You've probably made your MMR 'smurfy' by having a more elevated winrate and skill gain than you 'should', so it's putting you with people with similar accounts. I'm not certain _how_ it works but I've triggered this sort of hiccup myself. It only has short-term data on your account (or the other people's accounts) and it estimates you, and they, are probably to a level equal to who you're matched against. Keep playing and the long-term data will add up- and you'll end up in the right place.
in what, 200 games? Also when it's a "smurf" queue, shouldn't everyone (10 players) be the same skill level? I had ADC that had no idea what Bard's heal shrines were, yeah we lost that game at 20 minutes, if not earlier.
: Your name is a League reference, you're level 28, you know about boosting and EXP boosts and you're paired with Diamond level players and smurfs (who may have lower 'actual MMR's, but it doesn't look like it) There are two ways I have experienced ... someone who is..................... _not a smurf_ - can get into the smurf queue. 1. You do exceptionally well- a new player can maybe reach low-Gold style play on a single, easy to play champion. 2. You get boosted by either queueing with or being matchmade (happens sometimes) with higher elo player or their smurf account. (both could theoretically happen simultaniously, leading to a mega-boost) I've been in the smurf queue a few times- if you don't belong there, it'll remove you. You could end up carried for a few games, but if you're actually new you'll be a handicap to them each match. You'll simply lack the ability to make any calls on your own, or to play counterpicks. I say this not to imply you're bad at the game, but out of respect for higher elo players, whose gameplay aims for perfection.
Thing is, I'm not completely new to League, but this is my "main" account, as if I don't have any other accounts this advanced. I played League on and off since season 1 ending/ season 2 beginning. Also I wouldn't mind being placed against platinum and diamond players, if my teammates were the same skill level. I'm just sick of having some silver-gold teammates (at best) when going against these platinum - diamond guys. Also I HATE the solo players vs premade groups thing. Often when my team has a supposedly "platinum" ranked player, they're like a handicapped donkey trying to play League. Out of 20 games vs Diamonds and Platinums, I had normal teammates in maybe 5. Rest games were surrender at 20 or open mid. For examples: I had a "Platinum" Riven "main" in my team, guy went 1-6 at top lane vs unranked player who last played ranked in season 5. I was 2-1-0 as jungler at the same time. Bottom and mid lane got also stomped. Second example, where I was jungling again and I was 15 kills in as Yi, my teammates all "gold", "platinum", "diamond" were 0-5 or something like that. CLEARLY, my teammates were no where near being the skill level their "rank" indicates. TL;DR: I don't mind playing against people higher level and (maybe) higher ranking than me, if my teammates are equal skill level. But unfortunately, this isn't the case (most of the time) and I feel like I'm just being trolled.
Mitildes (NA)
: If you buy both boosts (per win, # days), you can get a level every 6 games or so in Co-Op.
With double EXP boosts you get 500, if not more EXP every normal game. How do you think I went from level 18 to 27 so fast?
: Ehem, Riot? Are you sure your match making isn't broken?
I received a chat restriction for getting pissed over these games. In three games some "platinum" or "diamond" ranked dude in my team and his/her premade group just fed like punch of monkeys and were giving me cancer through internet. So I finally had enough and asked if they're boosted idiots or just trolling. Then the shit hit the fan. Flame, mocking and other BS from their group, since I was tilted I just had a flame war with them until FF20. But My response to the chat restriction: https://media0.giphy.com/media/E9mKtFYH2uUMM/200_s.gif I seriously don't, I'm not going to touch this game for quite some time. I thought the early levels with low elo "smurfs" was bad, but this is even dumber. constantly against 4-5 man premades of platinums/Diamonds, meanwhile my teammates are some degenerate monkeys who haven't discovered the art of peeling bananas.
Avienal (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Shaco my BFF,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5o8bQJ6o,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-12-17T17:12:36.586+0000) > > Why are all my enemies 'Platinum' or 'Diamond' ranking when my teammates can't even gain 4 cs / minute? > > I'm sick of going into game, just to know that it's lost before champ selection ends... > > Your match making should just die off to cancer it spreads. Sounds like someone has a pinch of the standard amount of salt i get whenever i end up in a match and i'm against some B.S. tri'force top lane Yasuo or my mid'lane team mate veigar gets snowballed to 6 deaths by a syndra while im stuck facing a sion again able to just pudgelord shrug off my attacks regardless of what champion i play. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/XWRXvPxH-ehem-riot-are-you-sure-your-match-making-isnt-broken
yingwhy (NA)
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: > [{quoted}](name=Shaco my BFF,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XWRXvPxH,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2016-12-17T15:14:57.553+0000) > > But I'm not smurfing. I'm just not a braindead sheep. Yes but the majority of those people hit by their crappy pre-30s matchmaking are smurfs... and Riot has a habit of not caring at all about innocent victims as long as *most* of the people they catch are guilty. Here's a tip... don't play pre-30 normals. It's not worth it. I raise all my smurfs through co-op vs AI while I watch TV or while I read a book while making sure my character just idles around near creeps to not get AFK kicked. I can't put into words how terrible pre-30 games are, but you know that already. Games _will_ get better after you hit level 30.
Co-OP games give you like 50 EXP / game at best.
Ravore (NA)
: When was the last time you got out of leblanc chain as a melee?
No, but I feel that way about {{champion:43}} . Try evading this bitches' snare...
: Proof that this isn't 1/5 or 1/10 games occurrence, the next game: https://s29.postimg.org/li85d0bw7/1712162.png
Next game same crap. Their team is ranked platinum, but they play pretty bad. My team: 3 under 30, two Platinum players. Darius (platinum) feeding like hell. His friend Lucian, feeding and AFK. Mid lane some toxic Jayce, feeding the shit out of enemy mid laner. Oh and did I mention it already - enemies are ALWAYS 4-5 man premade or 2 premade groups together. Seriously hope Riot's headquarters catch on fire and they burn down.
: It's Riot's attempt to get smurfs banned (again, presumably) by throwing them all together into the most toxic situations imaginable with all the other incredibly toxic smurfs.
But I'm not smurfing. I'm just not a braindead sheep.
: Ehem, Riot? Are you sure your match making isn't broken?
Proof that this isn't 1/5 or 1/10 games occurrence, the next game: https://s29.postimg.org/li85d0bw7/1712162.png
: normal mmr =/= ranked mmr
But how the fuck does someone with 60 victories in Normals get possibly matched against or with someone who has 2000+? Not to mention duoQ and 3 randoms vs 5 man premade of Platinums and Diamonds... Also my team isn't even close to having all players level 30. ADC is level 20, I'm level 28. This nothing but a joke.
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Zelorxon (EUW)
: Is riot on an epic memetic trolling spree or what? How is that even possible? I mean, i can understand you met once a premade of diamonds, but it shouldn't happen regularly...
For example: First game of the day so far http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=Shaco%20my%20BFF Check the "live game" button. I'm against full Platinum/Diamond team, when my team has Gold Platinum, 2 level 20s etc.
Zelorxon (EUW)
: Is riot on an epic memetic trolling spree or what? How is that even possible? I mean, i can understand you met once a premade of diamonds, but it shouldn't happen regularly...
no, just about every game from level 25 onwards I've been going against platinums and diamonds.
: They are probably trolling or playing off roles. A platinum player playing their off or 5th role is probably not going to play that well. I wouldn't really put much thought or effort analyzing their normal draft play. When I play normals as a gold player I almost never play my main role or main champions and I try new stuff. They are probably doing the same.
This GP I met, had rank 7 Mastery with him and seemed to be one of his mains. Guy lost top lane to Garen, when I went to gank him, he kept pinging me to fall back and told me "I just want to farm". So he lost his towers, lost in CS, died multiple times. Eventually I just went top and kept killing Garen over and over again. The dude build full DPS, died in teamfights in first few seconds (had no idea how to barrel manage or position). Eventually game ended with me having most damage in team and my teammates being like monkeys. I hate this so much. I get matched against Diamonds and Platinums all the time, but my teammates don't change at all.
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: I messed up by playing and doing well on Ekko jungle against her. She had literally like 30 hp, and I went in to E her, my jump was literally going towards her, and she two shot me when I had 60% hp before my E even hit her and she lived. The fact that she can do so much damage while having tank items is disgusting. They literally just nerfed smite because of her and hecarims op clears. Guess we will be seeing a lot more of them because other junglers are unplayable now.
She had done 3 dragons before 20 minute mark... All solo. Enuff said.
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: no, Leblanc was changed because she has a dash and a silence Does Garen have a dash? Is his silence ranged? Does Cho'Gath have a dash?
Leblanc's silence was removed because enemies weren't able to strike back. Get your facts right.
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Elikain (EUNE)
: 1. Why are you even using Pick Intent? 2. SQ (referring to ranked) is limited to 2 people premade max. 3. Don't even know why you mix Normals with SQ. You're lvl 25 but you played against Darius that was Diamond last season. Who's banning your champions in Normals? Last time i checked, Riot removed Draft from Normals, at least it's gone in EUNE. 4. Ranked MMR and Normal MMR is different. It isn't calculated the same and i don't think it would be fair to pair the best Ranked MMR players against best ranked Normal MMR players. I'm pretty sure that Challenger Ranked MMR doesn't have the same value in Normal MMR. 5. You gave a Darius as an example. A typical lack of basic game knowledge (match ups) put an unfortunate player in a bad position in which Darius just thrives more and more. You couldn't have done anything as a Cait jungle anyway. 6. Your attempt at trolling was a poor lack of judgement. Jax would've been a better pick and yet you wanted to troll swap with a Cait, to which you got duped and got stuck playing anyway. 7. Feeders and trolls are always going to be a part of any gaming experience. No use complaining about it. If you felt like they were doing this intentionally, you should've reported them.
Your post is so stupid that I don't even get why you wrote it.
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: All he is now is his ult, the one thing about him that people complained the most about.
He still has that stupid ability block passive, idiotic minions chasing you for days and annoying DOT that transfers to new targets.
: "juggernauts shouldn't have things their kit is balanced around" why? they already have no mobility and none of them have hard CC that lasts more than a second. they need to be even more limited in what they're allowed to have? >Counterplay is fking great. don't let them in melee range? don't let Darius get 5 stacks and his ult won't do a lot? Garen's ult only does true damage if you're the villain; build magic resistance because hexdrinker fucks him up.
Problem with Garen's and Cho'Gath's silence is that it leaves to counterplay. Enemy can't cast anything for the entire trade duration. This is the same reason LB was changed.
NichtHurz (EUW)
: ...and Panth has to stack it up first or use his W to block one auto. It can be meaningful, but also easily disabled as long as that first AA you can land doesn't have some strong special effect.
But try laning against pantheon when you rely on auto attacks or your abilities count as auto attacks... there isn't a time, when the shield isn't up. attacks minions -> shield up, you take it down -> he uses W, new shield up -> ...
: I love being able to trade with Camille in lane
Don't worry, Riot apparently "hot fixed" her! -5 damage on base AD and true damage starts at 40% instead of 50%!
: I'm not forgetting about it, but assuming a Shaco player will be able to play around it. Specially because those items are meant to be the anti-assassin items. He has the damage to two shot a target in half a second or less, working around the counterbuilds with such a burst is not THAT hard. Hell, I've managed to 100-0 targets in a team fight as post-rework AD Shaco, and we all know how much he sucks now. You just gotta play as an assassin instead of as a Kled who will engage at any time. I don't think Shaco should be able to kill someone through all that you just listed. After all, you've got counter built/played. But I do think that if Shaco manages to get someone while their BT shield is down and their Maw is either on CD or they have a bit of HP missing, the target should be dead. What I see as a problem is that AP Shaco has no fall back plan. He's as binary as it gets. He either kills his target in half a second or he dies and accomplishes nothing.
There's a big question of HOW the hell did Shaco get all those items in the first place. Also this build has no clear what so ever, so it must've took him A LONG time to farm it (unless enemies just fed him). I've played similar build (before hotfix) and it took me more than half a second to kill a 0 resistance Kog'Maw. I used protobelt instead of the gunblade and no jungle item, but instead some other AP item that provided more AP.
: > cough red trinket, control ward cough You need to look into the difference between Invisibility and camouflage lol
I meant the boxes. Guy was QQ'ing about boxes and Teemo mushrooms. Those two items make both useless.
: After the vision changes(which were perfectly fine), invisibillity just shouldn't last longer than ~2sec. Invisibillity should be a jukeing tool, allowing to loose focus and reposition. It shouldn't be there to avoid wards or gett an free pass into the backline from two screens away. Thats what camouflage is for. With a 4.5sec stealth, shaco will be really hard to balance in a healthy way. As soon as his burst is high enough, there is ~~little ~~nothing you can do to protect your backline vs him, and if it's to low, shaco just pops out of stealth for his own funeral. Also, ap-shaco simply is a horrible design, he never should be a thing. Nukeing someone for over half his health with a ranged point n click from out of a (4.5sec)stealth shouldn't be a thing. That's exactly why people complain about vayne, chunking you out with a single AA from stealth, and she only has 1sec stealth and con't step over nearly all walls on the rift. And don't get me started on the boxes, it's even worse than temmo shrooms...
*cough* red trinket, control ward *cough* Also, Shaco's Q has ~12 second cooldown at max CDR. Vayne goes stealth every 2 seconds. Not to mention how much more raw damage output Vayne has. Problem with Shaco is that Riot removed all base stats from him. 5 base AD on E rank 1 for example, and made everything scale with items and missing health.
AhmCha (NA)
: The inhib and nexus turrets seriously might as well not exist now
Totally depends how many enemies are still alive, no?
: Said it in other topic, will copy paste here: >The thing is: He has a really easy way to proc {{item:3146}} {{item:3100}} {{item:1402}} at the same time, resulting in an obnoxiously huge burst of damage. >Basicly his Q goes from 116+72,5% AP to 484.55+162.5% AP (with an extra 180 + 10% AP from Thunderlords - 664.55 + 172.5% AP). And this happens instantly. With his core AP build {{item:1402}} {{item:3100}} {{item:3146}} {{item:3089}} {{item:3135}} he gets 567 AP. This translates to a 1643 damage burst happening instantly out of stealth on his Q alone. Without Thunderlords, Lich Bane, Runic Echoes, and Gunblade damaging passives/actives, he'd deal 527 damage on his Q. >Dealing more damage with his Q means that his E will hit harder due to E's 8% missing health damage. >{{champion:35}}'s numbers are not the problem, the items are not the problem, the main problem is how easy it is for Shaco to use those items to their fullest potential. >Shaco was always an item abuser (with Q+P+IE Statik Shiv would hit for a whooping 388 damage before his rework). The only problem is that AP items are much more abusable than AD items because, in theory, they would be a bit harder and conditional to apply. I'm honestly scared of what will become of Shaco because unless his main playstyle is reverted to AD, he will have to get Olafed/Aziered/Kalisted/Aatroxed very VERY hard.
I'm more wondering how did Shaco get all those items and why enemies still have 0 resistances... Also where are those numbers taken from?
: > [{quoted}](name=Shaco my BFF,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fn9jpLer,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-12-14T09:29:46.575+0000) > > Kha does better in teamfights than Rengar... > > > Isolation is a mechanic
OK and? Kha can go stealth middle of teamfight 3x and reposition. Jump in and jump out. Rengar can go in and then he HAS to fight to the end, flash out or fight until he gets 4 stacks and use W to escape.
: Do you even Garen bro? Or rather, do you even play top? Garen's Q has a cast time. I can show you how easy it is to out trade him with any champ that has an auto attack reset in a custom match.
you can auto-Q reset on Garen, which makes his Q almost instant. For someone to cancel his Q mid "cast" time with auto resets, they'd have to be scripting. Even Renekton has animation "cast" time on his stun. Doesn't mean he can't proc it. Not to mention you can E -> Trigger Q during E and when E finishes, he instantly Q's the target. You're making Garen to be one of a kind handicapped champion, which he isn't.
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Porocles (NA)
: That doesn't sound right to me. Did your game recently crash or was the client closed mid update? It sounds like your patcher is scanning your game files for corruption. If that's the case, it has to finish performing repairs as restarting it would start it all over again. I'm assuming that's the case here!
no, such problems. Everything worked fine. Just this morning it scanned for files and downloaded ~470 MB worth of data and "updated" the game. I've played fine since then as well.
: @ShacoMains, Rather than getting upset about damage nerfs, how about we ask for more counterplay?
Oh, why not just take away 50% of his damage overall and put a large indicator for enemies saying "DANGER!! YOU'RE GOING TO BE GANKED BY SHACO!!"
: Riot are just trolling Shaco players at this point
prob Rito plebs get stomped by Shacos.
: Garen Q makes his sword glow. Press W as renekton everytime you see Garen press his Q. Trundle presses Q as well. Then you proceed to auto attack a slowed or stunned Garen. As Irelia, press W and auto attack him until silence wears off. Then you chase him down and use your E. As Darius, you can auto attack and W before Garen's Q lands. So you walk with him and keep using your auto attacks as he is slowed. Then you use Q, and then pull him towards you with 5 bleed stacks as you chunk half his HP. So many champs have similar patterns.
are you high? Garen's Q doesn't have multiple second "channel" like you make it to be.
: Camille overloaded kit.
she has % health damage on two abilities. One is % max health that scales +3% per 100 bonus AD and other is current health % damage. Not to mention the 20% max health shield.
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: So,where would you shift some of the damage lost? I know she's cancer,but this is gutting.
All meta marksmen that are heavily AA based need to lose strength.
: When You and your support watch your jungler kill enemy bot lane single-handedly
More like 10 "fall back" pings and maybe a "gtfo" in chat is more like it. - a jungler's experience.
: if shaco doesn't kill you with Q+E
He doesn't kill you with Q + E, unless you're already at 15% health and you're a squishy.
: currently they're pretty shitty but these boards are full of morons
marksmen and shitty? Most of them (ones that are played meta) are broken.
: Before You Complain About Camille..
Her shield is definitely overkill. She has TOO overloaded kit just as every new release and they seem to get more ridiculous every time.
Chalizard (EUNE)
: Nerf to rengar? He is the most op champion right now I have seen since Old kassadin I guess. I think current meta is the most fcked up meta since long time.
How the hell is he OP? I've played him and I've played against some and he's so bad at first clears and after early game. Moment teamfights and grouping is priority, he's screwed.
: Wow Riot, you butcher Shaco and leave lee, hec, vi, kha untouched...
I don't support idea of nerfing Shaco or the idea that Rengar is "OP OP OP OP". From my experience, Shaco is more viable than Rengar, just because of outplay potential.
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