: > [{quoted}](name=Sharjo,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=Z1MHdAEd,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-06T00:43:16.782+0000) > > This assumes that GP and Illaoi's relationship was all sex and no romance I guess? > > Like, she's the one who broke it off. Who's to say he doesn't still love her? I mean one of the core tenets of Illaois' faith is hedonism. Living in the moment chasing desires. Not a stretch Naga frowns on long term relationships as we all now they do eventually stagnate in time. Which does explain why Illaoi wouldn't be tied down.
Except Illaoi's still pinning a bit for him even now, that's evidenced in The Burden. She clearly did have something more than just sex tying her to him.
Nevos27 (EUW)
: Champions who are virgin and who aren't
Let's see... {{champion:420}} {{champion:41}} - Were a thing in the past and did the sex {{champion:122}} - Did the thing with a now deceased lover {{champion:103}} - Potentially had sex with her boyfriend that she ended up devouring the memories of, though unconfirmed {{champion:110}} - Had a wife and son in the old lore, still had a family in the new lore, albeit the specifics aren't stated to whether he's had children and thus, sex, is unknown {{champion:28}} - Has definetly not done the sex cuz she doesn't actually do that; she just kills people. One touch, finger to skin, and she gets to eat your eyelids {{champion:164}} - Might've had sex with her now deceased lover Hakim but is unconfirmed {{champion:22}} {{champion:23}} - Presumably haven't done the thing yet cuz their relationship's seemingly fairly new, though there's the potential that they did do the thing with others in the past, though given how Ashe's bio is written I find that not so likely for Ashe That's all I can think of atm to discuss other than the obvious Annie, Nunu, Zoe and Ekko
: Biology. Why wouldn't he like her thin?
This assumes that GP and Illaoi's relationship was all sex and no romance I guess? Like, she's the one who broke it off. Who's to say he doesn't still love her?
: Holy hell, i didnt even know that...dude that sucks i was gonna buy one. How long should we wait for the next major esport event?
Worlds most likely, or Rift Rivals. Either way a couple of months, but Riot will make a big announcement when it happens so you know when they're available. Keep an eye on your client!
: IG skins removed?
THE IG skins were legacy skins, and as such were only available for a limited amount of time at set points in the year. They'll likely come back around for the next major esports event, but atm they're unavailable for purchase.
: Because there was a memo. They all agreed on the double-a-thing.
And somehow Varus didn't catch it. smh Varus.
: Confusing details about Lore and the world of League
Let's see if I can have a crack at this: - So when it comes to Mitna Rachnun, it's made out of souls Mordekaiser claimed himself, and is basically an afterlife for those he claims in death rather than anyone else. Mitna Rachnun isn't a natural place, it's effectively a man made afterlife. Beyond that we have very little information about the afterlife other than there is some form of it. Illaoi and Nagakabouros imply that the natural course of things is reincarnation, and there's implications that for those who become Aaspects of Targon, they get to spend eternity living in Targon Prime. True oblivion comes from the Void, so I personally attribute what Mordekaiser saw as reincarnation; souls eventually lose themselves in the haze of death and are reincarnated in to a new life, but that's my personal take. Over all, the afterlife';s sort of what you make of it. - As WAAARGHbobo once put it, what even is a god? At present, though some of the entities in League have bore the title of god, none are truly "god" so to speak, they're not the end all be all. They're entities with flaws, follies and with the capacity to fail and potentially die. It's all a matter of scope and the idea that there's always a bigger fish. Also Dark Star isn't in the Prime Canon, so it's incredibly unlikely to ever appear in Runeterra proper. It's a skinline and that's it. - Beyond Runeterra we don't know much but thus far the aliens we see all originate from the Celestial Realm itself, not other worlds. While they can be considered aliens in a sense, really the celestial realm is one of living concepts, so whether you wanna call the incarnations of war, change, justice and the like aliens or not is just a matter of perspective really. As to Targon's motives? Who knows. Targon's always been mysterious, even in universe hardly anyone knows what they're really about, but at the very least some of the denizens of Targon Prime have a vested interest in preserving Runeterra. - The Spirit Realm isn't really a death realm, it's a place of life and feeling. The souls of every thing, every one, every place, every idea and every feeling appear here, and that's what leads to beings like the Freljordian demi-gods, spirits and demons coming to be in the first place. I highly doubt it's an afterlife, cuz then what would happen to demons, spirits and other such entities when they die if they were born from the Spirit Realm? - Yeah there's a lot of questions a dragon making stars raises, but at the same time this is a universe where the very idea of justice, the societal concept of justice, is a living, sentient entity. Runeterra's universe doesn't hold true to the same truths ours does. All we know for sure is that, according to his bio, A Sol the celestials he shared the early universe with helped shape it in to what it is now. - And yeah sorry to be a downer on this but there's no solid answers to Targon at the moment. One thing I can say though is that it's likely intentionally vague. It's doubtful that Riot's gonna do a massive reveal of what Targon is and it's motives any time soon, though we might get a glimpse of it with the Pantheon rework.
: Isn't Udyr suppoed to be at peace with the spirit animals.
Because nature isn't peaceful, the spirit is a tumultuous and unfettered thing, and it's easy to be thoroughly thrown off your game when you're faced with the primal incarnation of one of the fundamental forces of nature itself. Peace with oneself doesn't make nature any less quiet, it just makes it easier to ignore, and even the most sturdy rock gets weathered with time. That's how I interpret it anyway.
: > If you go to Freljord you will see that the Frostqueen's Claim is depicted. Seeker's Armguard used to belong to Lissandra, Sejuani now wears it as seen in her splash art. I can not Imagine that an Item like Deadmans Plate, Iceborn Gauntlet do not exist in lore...Blade of the ruined King is familiar to Yorick when buying it, he talks about it. Gargoyle Stoneplate is what Galio wears. There you go pal. Something you, and clearly none else is capable of factoring in mind is that the art for items simply emulate the aesthetics of lore to keep the entire League IP cohesive and recognizable. So there are in-game items that are Ionian looking, there's an item which looks like a Darkin, and there are items that look like Hextech. But Sword Razor isnt canonical, Death's Dance wasnt a fallen Ascended, and what of the client? Which is heavily inspired by canonical Hextech devices, am I to be convinced that the client exists in-universe? Then you have items being referenced by champion's which neither makes them 100% canonical either. Ornn mentions Duran, why? Because it's a fun little joke that breaks the fourth-wall a bit. Why does Yorick acknowledge BotRK? Because the item came before that lore, because the item is representative of the canonical character and so it can give insight into what Yorick might say to the RKing. The blade doesnt get to be canonical until its legitamtly mentioned in story. Champions acknowledge non-canonical items all the time, writers have gone of record to say that doesnt make the item canon! So you've based a claim which relies on evidence that's equally speculative connection, and convinced yourself its authentic. All from observation that fails to go any deeper than what's at face value. Yeah nah, that's not a strong theory if it relies on a misperception that in-game items are canonical. Call me a huge skeptic, call me an asshole for not blindly being convinced.
I mean people are more inclined to call you an arse for your dismissive and abrassive tone rather than anything. I mean you seem to have decided to not even broach the concept the Seeker's Armguard and Deadman's Plate are items that exist in game that are worn, in universe, in canon, by Sejuani and Ganngplank. Gangplank's is easy to spot in his splash art, Sejuani's is a little harder to see but a quick look at her 3D model reveals all: https://teemo.gg/model-viewer?skinid=113000 https://news-a.akamaihd.net/public/images/pages/2015/gpu3/img/GP_Splash_WP2.jpg Like they're literally right there. In universe. And yes, that's only 2 items. Yes that's a small sample size relative to the menagerie of items League has to offer. But 2 is enough to make you stop and wonder "Hm. What other items might be canon?" Swain literally refers to Avarosa as the "Frost Queen" during an Ashe interaction, a.k.a. not an item interaction. The item Frost Queen's Claim did exist in game before being removed from the item shop a while back. Whether or not she had the blade in canon isn't known, but given they deliberately named the thing "Frost Queen's Claim" says a lot about the authorial intent because it directly ties the item to a canon character in League. You don't do shit like that lightly. Same with Blade of the Ruined King. By naming items like this they basically open the door to speculation and say "Yo these items are also potentially connected". And while the vast majority of items don't have these connotations, the artistic styles opens them up to be included in the canon itself regardless of the specific histories. Sunfire cape has the emblem of Shurima, Randuin's Omen has the emblem of Demacia. The Lost Chapter has the Shadow isles crest upon its pages. Potential cute references? Maybe. Potential story hooks? Also maybe. I'm not arguing either way that every single item is canon, cuz realistically there's no way to prove that and when I personally say I support the idea, I just do because I think items being canon just makes the universe richer. What I am arguing is that it's basically a fact that there's atleast 2 cases of items being used by champions in canon, with evidence for other items potentially being canon or just strongly tied to places in the Universe that could add to the lore by virtue of them just existing. What I'm also arguing is that regardless of whether you agree with a theory that hinges on items or not, you can tone down the arseness of your response and maybe people won't downvote you in to oblivion. Being mean _and_ negative doesn't win people over, it just makes people not wanna even discuss with you.
Terozu (NA)
: Naga isn't a god of life, she's a good of motion and energy. Illaoi and her followers push for you to keep moving. Naga doesn't care if you keep moving or die. As long as the motion is used.
> However, to truly know Illaoi you must understand the religion she has devoted her life to. Nagakabouros, the deity of her faith, is usually depicted as an enormous serpent head with tentacles spiraling around it in endless motion, with no beginning and no end. Also called The Mother Serpent, The Great Kraken, or even The Bearded Lady, Nagakabouros is the Serpent Isles’ **god of life**, ocean storms, and motion. (The literal translation of its name is “the unending monster that drives the sea and sky.”) **Central to the religion’s theology are three tenets: every spirit was born to serve the universe; desire was built into every living being by the universe; the universe only moves toward its destiny when living creatures chase their desires.** This is from Illaoi's bio. So yes, literally described as a god of life and we're literally told as face value that the core tenents of Illaoi's religion are: 1. You are born to serve the universe 2. Desire was built in to you and everything 3. The universe only moves when you do what you desire Literally the message is "Live a life with intent to chase your dreams and live the life you want, and the universe will be better off for it." Given this it's clear that, in the way Illaoi's people interpret Nagakabouros, she definetly does care if you're moving or dead, cuz moving means she's moving, and that the whole cycle of existence keeps going. Being dead means the universe isn't flowing. This is why Illaoi tests people, to get them to struggle for their right to life and prove they can live for their own ideals. They're tests of the soul, meant to get people on the right track, or end the stagnation and help the universe out. Ultimately, Nagakabouros, based on how Illaoi's people believe in her, wants you to live the best life you can.
Terozu (NA)
: The Bearded Lady's message is super blunt.
I mean that's basically nature. If you don't swaim, you drown. If you don't move, you starve. Nothing about the Bearded Lady's message is meant to be an inherent "Oh you're stagnanting? Then die you useless twat!" it's meant as "Oh you're stagnanting, prove you can start swimming again." The whole religion they have is based around the tenant of getting people to live varied, healthy, unrestricted lives. As nature intended, which makes sense coming from a god that is depicted as a god of life itself.
Falrein (EUW)
: What kind of cinematic would you like to see in the future?
Well since you mentioned the Warbringers series I'ma splurge a bit: I had an idea a while ago of a Warbringers/Harbingers style series about the fall of Icathia, specifically it from the perspective of champions who were witness to the events. This'd allow for the explorations for the specifics of the conflict and just what everyone was thinking at the time. I'm talking Nasus, Renekton, Aatrox, Varus, Zilean, Jax, hell if you want to you could throw in ancient Voidborn like Vel'Koz or maybe even Bard if he somehow got involved. Picture it like this: Episode 1: Jax - showcasing basically what happened in Where Icathia Once Stood from Jax's perspective and then what he did immediately after that story Episode 2: Nasus - showcasing Nasus and the dying Setaka, how the Ascended retreated from Icathia, and their plans going forward Episode 3: Varus - showcasing the Void spilling in to Shurima and destroying everything Episode 4: Vel'Koz - showcasing the chaos and eradication of Icathia and all of its people Episode 5: Renekton - showcasing the Ascended's war with the Void, starting bleak, eventually progressing Episode 6: Bard - the crackpot episode of my dreams showcasing Bard working to give the Ascended some kind of edge against the Void, maybe retrieving the relic, sealing some portal, something like that. Maybe noone even knows he's there and this is entirely from Bard's perspective Episode 7: Aatrox - the war gets won, Shurima is victorious, but this episode would be showing the damage in the aftermath, including how changed from the conflict the Ascended would become All crackpot, all unlikely to happen, but **_MAN_** I'd pay out the arse for a series like that.
: Wouldn’t Janna be a demigod with this logic?
As far as I'm aware it's basically an issue of scope. Ornn, Volibear, Anivia and the other Freljordian demi-gods are worshipped (or were worshipped) in a large, region wide capacity and their reverence potentially extended out of the Freljord in to other areas of Runeterra, under different names of course but feeding back to the original entities. Janna's revered basically in a single city, and as such her scope is limited to Zaun and that's about it. For Janna to reach demi-god level I'd assume she's gonna have to find worship and reverence well beyond what the people of Zaun can provide.
AIQ (NA)
: Shyvana lore hurts my eyes every time I read anything about that trash uninspired lore. {{item:3070}}
EdgeLady (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Sharjo,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=06REGtFX,comment-id=000b000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-28T18:41:48.863+0000) > > Very true, and I didn't discount the Serpentine Delta, however: > > I dunno if there's been anything new to contradict this, but effectively this was a rioter confirming, at the time of the Bilgewater lore, that the Serpentine River referenced was not any delta, but a river on the Serpent/Blue Flame Isles. It changed after the map came out. I asked a Rioter about the Serpentine Delta and he said yes, this was the end of the Serpentine River, the southern split from the Mother of Life. Other Rioters have talked about it too.
Well can you grab me a source please so I can update it? Like I said I'll change it in a heartbeat but I've got no sources other than the one I linked.
: Rek'Sai is from the void because she is a voidborn like Cho'Gath
The Voidborn can't really exist in the Void cuz they're made of organic matter and that can't exist within nothingness. They're made *by* the Void and the Watchers, but they don't come from it. Check out "The Eye in the Abyss" as a showcase of how voidborn can come to be in Runeterra. > Reaching into the material realm, the Watchers took from the crude matter that comprised it, shaping, corrupting and imbuing it with consciousness. These constructs were the first of the Voidborn, and would be their masters’ eyes and ears, sent forth into the nightmare of existence to watch, listen, and learn. From Vel'Koz's bio. https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_GB/story/champion/velkoz/
EdgeLady (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Sharjo,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=06REGtFX,comment-id=000b0000,timestamp=2019-04-28T15:13:48.432+0000) > > That's one you're gonna have to direct me on cuz I remember from when the original Bilgewater lore was released in 2015 the Serpentine River was specified as being on the Serpent Isles by rioters at the time. If that's changed since it's not presented in his bio at the moment, it's just said to be "Serpentine". Show me the Rioter confirmation of the contrary and I'll get this changed in a heartbeat. The Serpentine River is the southern branch of the Mother of Life when it splits into that and a northern river, whose name I forget. There's a huge delta in the middle of the Kumungu's coast where the Serpentine meets the ocean. You can't miss it. I'm not sure if its location was changed when the map came out, but ever since it did, that's where the Serpentine is.
Very true, and I didn't discount the Serpentine Delta, however: > [{quoted}](name=Jaredan,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=hnov7nLU,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-11-11T05:13:54.019+0000) > > The Serpentine River is pretty substantial, and it flows among the Serpent Isles. It's expansive enough to have been traveled along by a nomadic tribe for several generations (not that it took them that long to journey from end to end). From those people, came a fellow with a penchant for nice hats and and a flair for card magic. I dunno if there's been anything new to contradict this, but effectively this was a rioter confirming, at the time of the Bilgewater lore, that the Serpentine River referenced was not any delta, but a river on the Serpent/Blue Flame Isles.
: In the case of Jax, I liked that they decided to attach him to Icathia, at least this is logical. But what they did with Zilean, I do not approve. I liked his old story and his old homeland more. It is a pity that in the new universe there is not always a place for old location and history. p.s. Can you make a post on the territories and locations, including the disappeared? You're good at. ty :)
My hope is they keep the name Urtistan as a city within old Icathia but who really knows at this point. And yeah that'd be fun! Can't make promises and there's not a whole lot to go on at present but I'll see what I can do there.
EdgeLady (NA)
: **IRKED {{champion:4}} MAIN ALERT** {{champion:4}} was born in or near the Serpentine Delta, which comes out of the Kumungu Jungle. The delta is across the ocean from Bilgewater and therefore comes into contact with their people and is influenced by them a lot. He is NOT from the Serpent Isles; it's been stated several times.
That's one you're gonna have to direct me on cuz I remember from when the original Bilgewater lore was released in 2015 the Serpentine River was specified as being on the Serpent Isles by rioters at the time. If that's changed since it's not presented in his bio at the moment, it's just said to be "Serpentine". Show me the Rioter confirmation of the contrary and I'll get this changed in a heartbeat.
Hanple (NA)
: Psst, you accidentally called Varus Barus
Fixed! Also sorry for any duplicated letters in the wrong places my keyboard's been screwing with me recently.
: {{champion:85}} ???
He'd be in the "All the yordles" section but I forgot his icon. Will fix, thanks for the headsup!
: Necrit, is that you?😮
Not quite hehe {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}}
Lewanor (NA)
: Talon grew up in a pretty bad city I think if he didn't move from place to place. I don't think Noxus Prime would be bad because it's Noxus' jewel. He'll probably be in some outer random city And great work Sharjo as always. Covering and caring for everyone!
I mostly didn't put Talon anywhere just because his current lore originates from the old canon where Noxus was a city, not an empire, which leaves a lot to be desired. I'd rather hold off till he gets something more substantial, but I do dig the idea of him being from the outskirts like Riven, working his way up and being taken notice of by Kat's dad. And thanks for the kind words{{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
: There are some hints at Jhin's past that may give use a clue as to where he was born, or a general idea of it. His father was the head of a martial arts school, as that's where Jhin learned to use ki techniques as well as blades. So what we have to ask is, are there any martial arts schools in Zhyun? If so, where, and what are their specialties? Knowing the answers to those question would be helpful. * It should be noted that Jhin has a passing interest in killing Master Yi because Wuju out shined his father's school, though I'm not sure if that bit can be considered canon anymore due to the change in Yi's lore and Wuju lore in general. Also, (serial) killers tend to kill where they live/work in most cases, and Jhin's area of work was a stagehand in Zhyun's traveling theaters/operas, and his hunting grounds were the southern mountains. So, based on that alone without knowing the location of his father's school, I can only assume that Jhin was most likely born & raised in the middle or southern region of Zhyun. This would have made it easy for him to obtain that job, as he would have already lived in the area and known it. Though, honestly, we'll most likely never truly know, and I'd honestly prefer it if we didn't. Still, I'd say my theory about Jhin's birthplace makes the most sense given the way his lore is set up. So, yeah, probably just leave him off the map for now.
You bring up a ton of points that I was considering when making the list, so great on you for noting the particulars of Jhin's story that aren't as immediately apparent. I agree with basically everything, my only problem now is that it's not 100% clear cut and putting him in Zhyun would be an aproximation at best.
: Sona is an orphan, not an immigrant
In her original lore she's both; an Ionian orphan adopted by a Demacian noble. What she is now is anyone's guess but orphan and immigrant aren't mutually exclusive.
The Iceborn (EUNE)
: Wow Sharjo, you always make such spectacular threads! Ye sadly we do not know the exact location of Ivern and Lissandra's birthplace.. Gnar is also tricky, tho it says ,,northlands" so maybe around where you put Tryndamere and Ashe!
Difficult to say with Gnar since we dunno much about how yordles live or where they have their kids, if they have them beyond Bandle City at all. I'd be inclined to agree with you, though I'm a bit averse to marking it down in writing just yet, not without a bit more lore embellishment.
Pale Mask (EUW)
: Do you plan on updating this as more champion birthplaces are revealed? I get the feeling that Mordekaiser's upcoming VGU will likely tell us where he comes from, for instance.
Providing I get the chance, yes, though can't guarantee that at this moment in time. I'll try and keep this updated when possible though.
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Sharjo,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=rwcyEEOf,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-10-13T21:14:46.209+0000) > > I would say Caitlyn based on experience alone; she's been sniping for far longer than Jhin, and even though he's got magic and shit, he's still gotta learn. > > I mean hell, even though gameplay =/= lore, look at Caitlyn's ult comparatively to Jhin's. Who's better, the sniper with more shots, or the one who would never miss? comparing lore to gameplay isn't 100% spot on you know
So firstly, this post is 2 years old, why're you replying to it? Second, I did primarily use lore rather than gameplay, I just used gameplay as an extra point in Caitlyn's favour for fun
Krabohod (NA)
: So.. as story progression we gonna get the things we already know? That seems strange..
More seems like, with the direction they wanna take Demacia now, they wanna recontextualise Lux's story with Sylas in mind to build a larger story
: > [{quoted}](name=Sharjo,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=V32A0X7l,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-05-10T15:27:21.208+0000) > > I'm just confused why everyone thinks that Gnar was born and lived in the Freljord; the place that the length of a continent and a sea away from where Gnar presumably hangs out. Wouldn't it make more sense for him to be from the jungles, have met the Frozen Watchers when they expanded out to conquer other territories? Where do people get the idea from? It confuses me to no end. Sigh. He IS from Freljord, BEFORE it was frozen. Then he got attacked by Watchers, and went mega, then Anivia froze him to fight the watchers in the future, THEN the Freljord froze.
I wrote this comment a year ago man, before Gnar's lore was updated to actually have him come from the Freljord. So like, calm down maybe and quit with the passive aggressive sighing? It's not needed.
Xenohaz (NA)
: Reading the new story gave me a weird thought.
I personally always liked to imagine that the trolls were innately magical, and as such could naturally tap in to true ice, but never did because they never had the culture in place to figure out how to actually use it. Considering the new lore for the yeti, I can imagine something similar for the frost trolls; an ancient people with an old, long since forgotten civilisation that did use that power in ancient times, but when everything they had fell to shit, they many of their old traditions.
Espeon (EUNE)
: Awesome info from the new Nunu bio!
Things are setup pretty nicely for a Freljordian conflict in the future; Watchers on the way back, but there's still powers in place to best them, just long forgotten and hidden away, namely the demigods and the yeti. Will be interesting to see how things progress from here, since Volibear's still pretty active and by extension word of Ornn's probably gonna spread. Wonder if Ashe has met Nunu and Willump yet.
: What part of the map did Aurelion Sol chuck at star at?
Personally I like to imagine it's that suspicously round piece of coastline next to the Immortal Bastion, but that's just me.
: A list of champions who have/don't have their new bios yet.
If we wanna break this down by region: **Regions with completely updated Rosters:** * Shurima 9/9: {{champion:32}} {{champion:268}} {{champion:75}} {{champion:33}} {{champion:58}} {{champion:15}} {{champion:72}} {{champion:163}} {{champion:101}} * The Shadow Isles 8/8: {{champion:60}} {{champion:120}} {{champion:429}} {{champion:30}} {{champion:57}} {{champion:82}} {{champion:412}} {{champion:83}} * Bilgewater 9/9: {{champion:105}} {{champion:41}} {{champion:104}} {{champion:420}} {{champion:21}} {{champion:111}} {{champion:555}} {{champion:223}} {{champion:4}} * Mount Targon 6/6: {{champion:136}} {{champion:131}} {{champion:89}} {{champion:80}} {{champion:44}} {{champion:142}} **Regions with partially updated rosters:** * Ionia 13/18: {{champion:103}} {{champion:84}} {{champion:39}} {{champion:202}} {{champion:43}} {{champion:141}} {{champion:64}} {{champion:497}} {{champion:98}} {{champion:110}} {{champion:62}} {{champion:498}} {{champion:157}} * Piltover 6/7: {{champion:51}} {{champion:164}} {{champion:81}} {{champion:126}} {{champion:61}} {{champion:254}} * Zaun 9/12: {{champion:53}} {{champion:36}} {{champion:245}} {{champion:40}} {{champion:222}} {{champion:6}} {{champion:112}} {{champion:19}} {{champion:154}} * Demacia: 9/12: {{champion:114}} {{champion:3}} {{champion:86}} {{champion:59}} {{champion:99}} {{champion:78}} {{champion:133}} {{champion:102}} {{champion:67}} * The Void 3/8: {{champion:145}} {{champion:38}} {{champion:90}} * Noxus 6/11: {{champion:122}} {{champion:55}} {{champion:240}} {{champion:7}} {{champion:92}} {{champion:50}} * Unaffiliated 9/23: {{champion:266}} {{champion:1}} {{champion:63}} {{champion:28}} {{champion:427}} {{champion:203}} {{champion:267}} {{champion:107}} {{champion:13}} **Regions with near or totally incomplete rosters:** * The Freljord 1/12: {{champion:516}} * Bandle City 0/6: :( **So all in all that leaves us with the following to update:** * A couple of left behind Zaunites: {{champion:27}} {{champion:29}} * Some Ionian stragglers: {{champion:85}} {{champion:11}} {{champion:16}} {{champion:134}} {{champion:238}} * Half of Noxus: {{champion:69}} {{champion:119}} {{champion:14}} {{champion:91}} {{champion:8}} * Demacian Outsiders: {{champion:236}} {{champion:37}} {{champion:5}} * The Voidborn: {{champion:31}} {{champion:121}} {{champion:96}} {{champion:421}} {{champion:161}} * The majority of yordle kind including their homeland: {{champion:42}} {{champion:150}} {{champion:74}} {{champion:117}} {{champion:68}} {{champion:17}} {{champion:18}} {{champion:45}} {{champion:115}} * The whole of the Freljord beyond Hearthome: {{champion:34}} {{champion:22}} {{champion:201}} {{champion:127}} {{champion:20}} {{champion:2}} {{champion:113}} {{champion:48}} {{champion:23}} {{champion:77}} {{champion:106}} * Most of the regionless champions: {{champion:12}} {{champion:432}} {{champion:9}} {{champion:79}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:10}} {{champion:54}} {{champion:25}} {{champion:76}} {{champion:56}} {{champion:35}} {{champion:26}} {{champion:143}}
: Lets talk about the watchers.
I'd assume that, in a territory full of aeroplane sized leviathans that the whales are mega scary and need Whale Watchers to warn of them. Or maybe the Whale Watchers call for them when they return from the depths from feeding, as their hides are the thickest, but their innards some of the most exotic and lucrative of perhaps all ocean dwelling monstrosities. ...What do you mean this was supposed to be a joke? Fuck that I'll just keep thinking about the Whale Watchers of the Serpent Isles thank you very much.
Lost R (NA)
: But who says it's not warded, trapped, or just hard to get to?
This right here. Discounting it being the forest Petricite comes from, in The Burning Lands we see the sanctuary of the World Rune there filled with runic wars. Ryze'll definetly have some countermeasures beyond an anti-magic forest.
: Vel'Koz officially a Watcher?
Currently he's stated as the (Supposed) first Voidborn to ever set foot on Runeterra, but I could definetly see him retconned in to a Watcher. Potentially that or a Voidborn made in their image to serve a much grander purpose than the majority of his kind. Difficult to say what Riot'll do with him there's definetly open options.
Ralanr (NA)
: If that is petricite, then that's a really good vault. I don't think even Brand can get into it.
There's also the whole notion that it might've actually been the runes that brought about Petricite to begin with; consolidated in that magical sanctuary it magically radiated the forest in to its current state. Also a fun nugget; this cinematic basically tied together every champion that Ryze has lasted as a related champ on his universe page beyond Brand: {{champion:21}} {{champion:75}} {{champion:37}}: All people who've helped him at some point in the past. {{champion:48}}: Someone he's come in conflict with because of his quest for the World Runes. {{champion:90}}: As someone who's gone directly against the Watchers, he'd definetly been on Malz's hit list. {{champion:3}}: A being born of the sanctuary Ryze uses to protect the Runes. Was a super huge lore dump, I love it.
: What are these runes Ryze talks about?
The origin of the World Runes (The runes Ryze is talking about) isn't clear at present, the main thing is that the World Runes are monstrously powerful, holding enough raw power to obliterate nations and entire sections of continents. The Rune Wars were conflicts fought over these runes and their power, which basically fucked everyone. Ryze secures the Runes in safe places, which at this point seems to be in the petrified forest that Demacia gets its petricite from, in order to keep them away from those who would use them for their own ends, as that's not gonna end well for anyone. Basically they're stupid powerful runes capable of destroying the world if used wrong. Ryze just doesn't want that to happen, ever. Beyond that, we know very little else beyond them being so powerful they easily corrupt anyone who even touches them. Ryze is among the few who has the strength to overcome that.
: Lore expectations with Akali update?
Personally I would've suspected at least a Zed update, since I can't imagine they're not gonna connect her in some way to him; a long time ago they hinted at such a connection (Though who knows if that's endured after 6 years). Maybe a Kennen update? A Syndra update? Depends I suppose on what they would want to do update wise. I feel like a Syndra update'd be more likely than a Kennen one, just cuz Kennen's got the whole "yordle" thing dangling over him and Riot continues to avoid that unless necessary, and if they were ever gonna update the darker Ionians lore, Akali'd probably be the easiest way of doing so. If I'm being optimistic, I'd hope for lore updates for Kennen, Syndra and Zed, along with a short story of sorts. Being pessimistic, I'd expect Akali to get a full bio, new colour story and that's about it. If I'm being realistic, I'd expect Akali to get a full bio, new colour story, a cinematic like they seemingly like to do with all the VGUs now, though potentially more stylised like Irelia's, and a Zed bio update. I'm somewhere between realistic and optimistic at present.
: Which region do you want next?
Well I mean I want Bandle City of course. It's literally the only region Riot haven't visited. The only yordles we've seen get lore attention presently are in regions who also got lore updates, and the big question of "Where even is Bandle City and what even are yordles" still hangs firmly in the air.
Cetri (NA)
: Small correction: The audio drama for Pyke is actually different from his short story "Then, Teeth."
Ah yeah, forgot that Then, Teeth existed for a moment there. Thanks, will correct.
: Lore Recommendations?
Realistically the best place to start is generally with Bilgewater and Shurima, for three reasons: 1. All champions are up to date 2. They're well fleshed out regions with a lot to dive in to 3. Both of them have storylines that have been progressed and established far more than other places in Runeterra atm. I'd recommend a ready strategy like this: BILGEWATER: 0.5. Bios for the core Bilgewater champs (MF, GP, TF, Graves and Illaoi. Optional) 1. "Down Among the Drowned Men", "Blood in the Water", "Double Down" and "One Last Shot" (Short stories for MF, GP, TF and Graves respectively) 2. Burning Tides (Bilgewater story) 3. The Burden (Illaoi short story. Can be ready before the epilogue of Burning Tides) 3.5 No One Lives and The Collection (Hecarim and Thresh short stories. Optional) 4. Shadow and Fortune (Bilgewater/Shadow Isles short story) 5. Fortune Smiles (MF comic) After that just dive in to the rest of bilgewater. Do keep in mind that Fizz, Pyke, Nautilus and Tahm Kench all have audio dramas for their short stories, and I'd highly recommend listening to those rather than reading their short stories (Though in Pyke's case he has another short story "Then, Teeth", that's just a written story with no audio drama. Still a good read). Tells the same story, but through a great actor's perspective! SHURIMA: 0.5 Bios for the champs core to Shurima's fall (Azir, Xerath, Nasus, Renekton, in that order. Optional) 1. "Unbound" (Xerath short story) 1.5 Sivir's bio (Optional) 2. "Descent in to the Tomb" (Short Shurima video) 3. "Rise of the Ascended" (Short Shurima video) 4. "Arisen", "Darkness Renews", "Oroborus" and "Water" (Short stories for Azir, Renekton, Nasus and Sivir respectively) 4.5 Taliyah bio (optional) 5. The Bird and the Branch (Taliyah short story) 6. Bloodline (Shurima short story) 7. Homecoming (VERY SHORT Taliyah video) 8. Echoes in the Stone (Taliyah short story) Then you can read up on Rammus, Skarner and Amumu to your heart's content. After that I'd say it's best to go by individual champions and branch out: - If you wanna read on the vastaya start with Eduardo Santangelo's Field Guide on the vastaya page, then read Nami's bio, comic "In to the Abyss" and short story "First Steps" in that order, or Ahri's bio, and stories "Garden of Forgetting" and "A Fair Trade". Then go on to the rest of the Vastaya. - If you wanna read on the Void, start with "Where Icathia Once Stood" and then read up on Kai'Sa, Malzahar and Kassadin. Be careful about reading the bios for the voidborn, as they're out of date presently aside from Rek'Sai. - If you wanna read on the darkin, start with "The Legend of the Darkin" and then go from there. Tips: darkin are better read with some Shurima knowledge in mind, and Kayn is basically inconsequential to their story so read about him last. - If you wanna read about Demacia, start with everything Lux and Galio have, then go to Garen and Poppy, then expand out from there. Keep in mind that Lucian, Xin Zhao and Sona aren't up to date. - If you wanna read on the Freljord, leave it till last, then start with Ornn, as his lore is the most complete. Then go to Lissandra and expand out from there. - If you're gonna read about Mount Targon, start with Aurelion Sol. This will probably leave you with some preconcieved bias but it's also the most clear cut lore that exists for Targon atm, and also the most easily understandable since he doesn't carry any of the questions about Aspects the rest of the Targon roster have. - You can go on to Independent champions basically whenever you want; their stories are generally find to read on their own. Would recommend Ivern, Ryze and Annie here as they've got some cool stuff going on. - Don't touch Bandle City atm, cuz they've got not much of anything. We're still waiting on big lore stuff for yordles as a whole, though individual yordles like Poppy, Kled and Fizz are good to read right now. If there's any questions, feel free to ask. All of these are either on the champion's own page or on their region/species page.
: @Riot Why dont you give human characters facial animations
Because for the angle the game's played at, for how zoomed out the characters are in game, and how small a human's head is relative to their body, it'd be a complete waste of resources to animate their faces. If the head takes up a lot of real estate, then yeah, it needs animating. Humans generally aren't like that.
: > [{quoted}](name=Sharjo,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=ZILMTRRe,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-06-12T21:35:05.242+0000) > > But Setaka died "On the Eve of Icathia's doom", which points to her dying before the war really kicked off. I know many have speculated she was the Ascended leader that showed up in "Where Icathia Once Stood", and I feel like that holds true. I'd be more willing to believe that the Warrior Queen was one of the remaining Ascended from the time just after Shurima's fall, or just a former high ranking general of the former empire, able to rally the forces empowered by the Aspect of Twilight, which then allowed her to handle the darkin's influence and wield their bound forms against their kin. > > Potentially the darkin always had it out for Runeterra, and saw an opportunity when Shurima, probably the world's greatest nation of the time, collapsed, to open the bridge and start a grand conquest of sorts. What is the Eve of Icathia's doom? I think I must have missed it
Nasus refers to it when describing Setaka in Bloodlines. Basically just his way of saying "She died just as Icathia was dooming itself".
Pale Mask (EUW)
: I'm not sure why they chose Shurima. Runeterra, in general, shouldn't have had any Darkin presence on it prior to their invasion, but you'd think some unexplored or long-lost civilization would be a better choice, what with Shurima already being involved with the Ascended and the Void.
I suppose it depends on just how many ancient civilisations actually dabbled with the Void, and had as incredible magical power as Shurima. The Sun Disc is kind of a huge deal considering. Honestly, given how much Aatrox hates Targon, I wouldn't be surprised if Targon had influenced the darkin on their own world, potentially with a lot of significance from Pantheon, only to become a force of destruction and have the Protector step in and stop them where he could. On Runeterra, where the world was already weakened, The Aspect of Twilight swoops in to give humanity the chance to best the darkin. I dunno it's a lot of missing pieces right now. Eager to see Aatrox's new bio, if only to figure out where things fit.
: So the Darkin come into the timeline after the fall of Icathia. If they're affiliated with Shurima it really makes me think Setaka was the warrior queen mentioned in Varus' lore.
But Setaka died "On the Eve of Icathia's doom", which points to her dying before the war really kicked off. I know many have speculated she was the Ascended leader that showed up in "Where Icathia Once Stood", and I feel like that holds true. I'd be more willing to believe that the Warrior Queen was one of the remaining Ascended from the time just after Shurima's fall, or just a former high ranking general of the former empire, able to rally the forces empowered by the Aspect of Twilight, which then allowed her to handle the darkin's influence and wield their bound forms against their kin. Potentially the darkin always had it out for Runeterra, and saw an opportunity when Shurima, probably the world's greatest nation of the time, collapsed, to open the bridge and start a grand conquest of sorts.
: Aatrox's in client bio
This confuses me considering Varus's bio alludes to the darkin being from beyond Runeterra: > The mortal mages of Runeterra wielded wild magic, heedless of the consequences beyond their own world. Their reckless use of magic attracted the hunger of the darkin, who sent their fiercest warriors to conquer this new world. Varus traveled to Runeterra with the second wave of invaders, and with his crystalline bow, he assassinated enemy commanders and champions, helping the darkin defeat the mortal armies with ever greater ease. I mean potentially Shurima summoned the darkin to defend against the Void, and after it's fall became fixated on conquering it, and opened the way for more of their kin to come through? Fight fire with fire but then not put out that fire you used? I'm intruiged to see where this goes but atm I'm scratching my head a bit.
Jaspers (EUW)
: He seems to think Zoe was responsible for his capture. Not Zoe, maybe the Aspect? But the time doesn't fit. Zoe apparently went with the Aspect and left Runeterra a 'millennia' ago. Darkin War was meant to be after the fall of Shurima, which was a millennia ago. That means the Darkin War happened while Zoe wasn't around.
Specific dates have never been given in regards to this; both events were after the fall of Shurima, but neither was explicitly stated to be before the other. The Aspect of Twilight could have been the Aspect inhabiting the Warrior Queen who wielded Aatrox, Varus, Rhaast and the remaining two darkin to stop their invasion.
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