Hópe (NA)
: Varus and Kassadin literally have the same lore but Varus was ''cliche'' and changed????????????
Well I mean: - Varus had no character relations beyond the nebulous concept of wanting to destroy Noxus. Kassadin had and still has a rivalry with Malzahar. - Varus's goal involved killing everyone in Noxus no matter what. Kassadin's goal is to kill Malzahar and destroy the Void, but the "how" isn't exactly clear, so there's the entire story of "how does he actually accomplish his goal" where as with Varus it was pretty cut and dry - Varus's family were dead where as it's HEAVILY implied that Kai'Sa is Kassadin's daughter, which means his quest for vengeance is compounded by having his child still alive and potentially working together with. There exists a character in the scope of Kassadin's story who can pull him out of his vengeful path, or at least steer it away from oblivion. Even considering the slight chance Kai'Sa isn't Kassadin's daughter, there were no bodies and as such it's still possible Kassadin's family are alive. TL;DR old Varus's story was fairly linear given there was unlikely to be any reasonable narrative justification to get him off of his track. Kassadin isn't like that. His story's more open.
: People Told me to wait for Kaisa's lore.......
The Watchers are from god knows where; even Lissandra back when she came out was like "I know not where they came from, only that they were powerful". Back when Vel'Koz was announced people speculated a connection between the Watchers and the Void based on similarities between his appearance and the visages of the Watchers at the Howling Abyss, namely the one on the purple side gate. All in all the Watchers seem to have just been greatly expanded in scope to be one of the big bads of League, or maybe even THE big bad; a force behind both the Void, the iceborn, and who knows what else.
: Whaaaa So what are Nasus, Renekton, and Azir now?
...Ascended? They're alive bro. They weren't even included in the story as far as I can see. Especially Azir since he wouldn't have been born while this was going on.
: Is this a new Shuriman champion teaser?
You do realised that Ascended was voided? They're gone man. As dead as anyone could ever possibly be. Also I want voided to be a term now for death by the Void.
: The Void Lore Is Awesome
There's something unequivically terrifying about the prospect of complete and total erasure in a universe that has what is effectively a confirmed afterlife, whatever that may be. Good lore.
: Well, I thought Kai'Sa was cool
Fair enough if you like Kai'Sa, good on you, I'm jealous. Like honestly I am jealous. You and others can see in Kai'Sa what I can't and I feel bad that I can't enjoy it as you guys do. Wish I could. But overall she just disappoints me artistically atm. I don't hate her, but I won't be buying her any time soon because I literally have no investment in her to any degree for how boring she is to me. Feels bad man.
GôdÌy (NA)
: Yes riot is scared of them after releasing them for 3 years straight. My god all the special snowflakes in this thread that want special snowflake champs lmfao
: That is my main issue as well. I have no problem with sexualized female characters, it's just that a) league has many of them already, and its not like they run a gamut of different kinds of beauty and b) I really don't care what narrative Riot tries to use for this, her "skin" looks like a latex body suit. That's not a cool character design for someone from the flipping void. It feels like the most boring way they could have played it and I, for one, am not a fan.
Aye that's the thing people seem to forget; there's nothing wrong with having sexualised characters of either sex, the problem comes in League because we have so many of them in the lass side that they crowd each other out. It's hard to get invested in Kai'Sa when I've seen her in about four or five prior champions, all of them lasses and all of them the same shape as her.
Tomoe Gozen (EUNE)
: Her symbiote is the reason why she is mostly unchanged. It is permanently attached to her, acting as her second skin. It hunts with her, it calls her body its home. It is a native Voidborn that thrives in the Void and probably absorbs/shields Kai'Sa from any harmful effects or gives her immunity to the Void energy because of their symbiotic link. Stop making "if she's from the Void, she should be a monstrosity" arguments. Not every person who's come in contact with the Void has been permanently changed. This would literally be the same as you saying that since we have a Darkin like Aatrox, all Darkin now have to be demonized because that's the expectation we've come to consider as canon. While Varus is literally the middle ground and Kayn is just the beginning of the possible Darkin possession. Or because we have Iceborn that have drawn power from the Watchers themselves, every Iceborn should look like Lissandra. Ashe and Sejuani do use the power of True Ice due to their Iceborn heritage and yet, they are strikingly human.
Narrative justifications also mean that Zoe's over 1,000 years old _<Removed by Moderation>_ despite the fact that she has the body of an underaged child. Narrative justification can be complete bollocks y'know. On the Kai'Sa trail of thought specifically though, the symbiote doesn't look or feel like a symbiote to me. It looks like magical armour. It doesn't look alive or interact with Kai'Sa in any way that'd make me assume it was a living thing without the narrative telling me. This is counter to Kayn and Rhaast for instance, whereby even when not hearing them talk, Rhaast has a god damn eye that moves and looks around, indicating that he is very much a living thing. Plus there's also the idea that despite being attached to this symbiote it hasn't resulted in any noticable changes to Kai'Sa herself beyond a slightly grey complexion. Honestly, for the standards that have been set by the voidborn champions of the game, it feels ultimately weak for Kai'Sa to be so human when interacting with such a monstrous, alien force. This is the force that turns Scuttle Crab in to Rift Herald and I'm supposed to believe that having a voidborn attached to your body makes you avoid the potential mutations and changes that could come from being in the Void? Hell I'd have expected her to be MORE monstrous from mutations brought about by having a symbiotic relationship with an alien monster. Her design doesn't sell to me what the narrative is telling me.
: TBH, most characters in league are bad asses. If they aren't bad asses, they're at least powerful in some fashion. Otherwise they wouldn't be *champions*. All of the champions are power fantasies in some way, that's kind of the point of them. So Kai'sa is a bad ass, cool, but that doesn't make her design anymore engaging. I *could* be playing an eldritch abomination that was once a human woman, instead I'm playing a woman in what is basically a latex bodysuit. One of those experiences is more unique (and thus to me, more interesting) than the other. Especially when I can play a woman in questionable clothing choices already in league of legends.
This is core to the issue I have too; Kai'Sa feels like lost potential; showing something that straddles the line between abomination and human. Kalista and Shyvana do it better, and without the contrivances of a bio-organic suit that doesn't even look very organic to begin with.
: Something People are Overlooking
Counter points: - Kai'Sa's interactions with the suit are basically non-existent. It doesn't even feel like an organic entity, and if we weren't told as much out of the gate, I'd be more inclined to believe she fashioned it out of the corpses of dead voidborn rather than her wearing a symbiotic suit. - Kai'Sa's mentallity doesn't lend to the idea that she's suffered any kind of change. Change from being in a harsh, deadly environment? Yeah definetly. Change from being in an environment that twists and corrupts people mentally and physically? Not really. She sounds very down to earth and measured as an individual, which I do appreciate, but at the same time she shows so little in the way of "Hey there's Void attached to my brain" that I find it hard to believe she's corrupted in any way. Kai'Sa's design and characterisation doesn't sell to me that she's in any way void-corrupted. Hell the design of the suit doesn't sell me on the idea that's it's an organism. Maybe if it had parts that moved like a living creature, similar to how Nidus operates in Warframe, I'd be more inclined to believe it. But it doesn't. It makes no sound, it's moving parts look mechanical, it's cannons don't even connect to it's body in such a way as to make me think they're part of the same organism. All opinions here, but regardless these are thoughts that I'm not really getting away from any time soon. Nothing about Kai'Sa's visual design grabs me as interesting at this point.
: I haven't really listened to the VO yet outside a few of her special interactions with her strange not-Kiwi accent, but is it completely straight edge? I might not be a Kayn fan, but at least the entire point is self-aware edge memes. Hell, even Xayah's got a tiny bit of self-awareness going on.
It's not edge since she's not really fighting against some kind of moral or principle. She's not doing anything dark and sinister; she's doing good work by fighting the Void. She just uses sinister powers to do so. She doesn't walk any line really; she accepts what she's become and has gone so past the point of fear and detachment that she's back around to finding meaning in existence, or at least that's what I got out of her.
: Its been years. We need new sexy chicks. Im sorry you guys are so scared of the female body that you dont want to see it.
I'm not scared of it, if anything I welcome it! Too bad Riot seems scared of female bodies that aren't of a conventionally attractive nature! It's not fear or anger here Jorencice, it's boredom and disappointment. Would like some variety in shapes, rather than just the same shape with a different pair of trousers. Or a different hat. Or with different hair.
Limrick (NA)
: So what, Riot isn't allowed to ever make another conventionally attractive girl because there are too many? What kind of stupid logic is that? "We already have 30 midlaners, why the hell is Riot making another?" It has been literally years since the last conventionally attractive girl was released, we have had nothing but "unique and diverse" designs for the past 3 seasons. I like Taliyah, but she won't be unique anymore either if Riot just keeps making more Tumblr girls for the rest of time. Not to mention that most of the "30+ lasses with the same face and body shape" are old champs, who will be VGU'd at some point. We may end up with LESS conventionally attractive females than we have now. Focusing on her being a pretty white girl rather than her being a badass is a silly way of thinking anyways. This is a VIDEO GAME, it's about killing people/monsters and destroying things, who cares if the badass chick you're playing to do that is pretty? A good example is Borderlands. All of the playable females are conventionally attractive, but it's a secondary to the fact that they're badass. Maybe you play a character based entirely on what they look like naked, but I care a hell of lot more about what they can do fully armed. MF is a pretty girl with a huge rack, but she's also a total badass. When I play her, it's not because she has big tits, it's because she's a fucking bounty hunter who took down a pirate king.
If you'll look to an earlier comment, I said, and I quote: > Being conventionally attractive isn't in itself a problem, Yeah, it's not a problem in and of itself. Yes, Riot can make what they want. It's their game after all. I'm not dictating shit about what they do with their creative process, I'm expressing disappointment at the sameyness of it all. I'd personally rather Akali be unique in terms of silhouette cuz of some cool aspect of her design rather than the fact she crouches for the entirety of the game, or that Syndra had more unique elements to her clothing than just a big helmet. Yeah we've had "unique and diverse" designs for the past 3 seasons, which is still covers less champions overall than were released prior. There are ways in which conventionally attractive champions can be made to differentiate from eachother, but Riot's historically done a poor job of that, to the point of, in one case, changing the release skin of a lass to keep it from becoming to confusing to tell apart from their new champion (Dark Valkyrie Diana and Syndra respectively, for those who weren't aware). > Not to mention that most of the "30+ lasses with the same face and body shape" are old champs, who will be VGU'd at some point. We may end up with LESS conventionally attractive females than we have now. Bullshit, quite honestly. When Riot even ATTEMPTED this with Fiora the boards caught on fire. They're never gonna make their conventionally attractive champions anything less than 100% pristinely perfect, lest they incur the wrath of the masses, because apparently having slightly more defined cheekbones makes someone look like a 40 year old transvestite. I focus on her being a pretty white girl because it feels totally counter to the idea of her being a survivor in an alien world of horridness. Mostly the pretty side of things than anything else. I focus on the indistinct face because it's hard to get attached to characters when they might as well be a prior character in a new costume. Her being bad arse changes very little because the champions she's similar to are ALSO bad arse. The argument here centers around the idea that, for me, Kai'Sa being so much like the majority of the other lasses in League makes her much less interesting to me personally. It doesn't sit right with me for her to be beautiful given where she comes from. I'd expect something far different, and yeah maybe that's on me, but at the same time folks were badgering on about Taliyah's eyebrows being too fucking big when she came out so I don't feel like my argument is nearly as bad as it could be. To me, Kai'Sa is indistinct and thus boring. I like my monsterish champions and visually atypical champions. I like things when there's a high amount of variance such that even among things that are similar they still stand out. Kai'Sa doesn't show that to me. Again, maybe it's all just my own fault for this, but we're debating opinion here and at the end of the day no one's wrong in this debate; there's nothing actually wrong with Kai'Sa's design objectively. Subjectively it just disappoints me greatly. I don't expect everyone to feel the same; fanart already exists of her so she definetly resonates with folks, just as she resonates with you. But for me, and whoever else is upvoting me, that's just not the case. It's actually doubly so now because her personality seems like something I can dig, but it's wrapped in an appearance that's so bland to me that I can't enjoy her as a character for it. I'll take the Taliyah's and Illaoi's over the Kai'Sa's any day to be honest; I'm good for conventionally attractive lasses with Sona.
: We haven’t had a conventional one years. Eve was a rework and has a unique look. Xayah is a goth bird that turns off some people.
That doesn't change the fact that we didn't need a new conventionally attractive champion given how full of them League is. There's such a thing as oversaturation y'know, and that's the main problem here. Also Xayah turning people off is irrelevant to the discussion considering she still is conventionally attractive, even with the bird legs, fox ears and wing.
YuGiHo (NA)
: so what is there to eat in to void for a human?
Probably not much unless the suit sustains her and consumes things to help her out.
: https://i.imgur.com/56uMm.jpg?noredirect https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/speciesfilms/images/a/a7/Sil_Head_Maquette.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130429115608 https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/starcraft/images/a/a3/Izsha_SC2_Game1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110709122919 https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/005/984/105/medium/victoria-yurkovets-13.jpg?1495176128 https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/004/052/217/large/victor-adame-atraxa-praetors-voice.jpg?1479852294 https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/mtgsalvation_gamepedia/thumb/3/3c/Sheoldred.jpg/1200px-Sheoldred.jpg https://i.imgur.com/5NOyUJ9.jpg?noredirect So many possibilities.
: Except of those 30+ lasses none of them were released in the last... 3-4 years. Its about time we got another sexy chick.
Hardly. 30+ is more than enough when that encompasses somewhere between two thirds and three quarters of the roster. Let's have some variance for once, please.
: I said this before and i will say it again: Friendly reminder that she is suposed to be the daughter of this guy: https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/4/48/Kassadin_Pre-VoidSkin_Ch.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110321234923 So... What did you expected? ~~Another female of "color" like Ilaoi?~~ (this part is an answer to the original post were i posted this) Also... Pre Void Kassadin is kinda handsome, so, it makes sense for his daughter to be handsome as well. I mean, assuming that the skin still canon and she is her daughter. Kassadin is from the times where all females had similar faces, Why would be his daughter be diferent? Seriously, if we compare Pre Void Kassadin with her, they look alike.
I expected something far more interesting? Like something actually void warped? Something much closer to this: https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/7/7d/Kassadin_OriginalSkin.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170616223301 Or this: https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/2/2d/Jax_OriginalSkin.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170616002326 Y'know, SOMETHING that would more or less indicate she's been a little fucked up by the Void. Some missing digits, glowing eyes, blueish skin tone, y'know, something. It's not that the expectation that her looking like she could be Kassadin's daughter is a bad thing, it's that Kai'Sa looks so un-Void it feels bad. I expect more out of my characters who got stranded in a dimension of all-consuming, corrupting monsters, and I ain't taking that symbiote suit seriously as a means of her surviving the Void corruption when 1. it's from the Void itself and feels like it should be corrupting her itself and 2. when it gives her stupidly apparent cleavage for no apparent reason. I mean look: Before Void: https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/6/61/Scuttle_Crab.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20141028005017 After Void: https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/jt3hdxMeNU3yZNyLhfcP-89fPBU=/0x0:944x525/1200x800/filters:focal(397x118:547x268)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/54343965/chrome_2017_04_19_13_36_45.0.png So what gives? That bio-suit doesn't feel like the justification it needs to be to sell me on the idea that she shouldn't be fucked up by the Void.
: My biggest problem with Kai'sa it's not that she's beautiful - she's LoL generic beautiful.
Yeah that's my problem too. Being conventionally attractive isn't in itself a problem, even if it is pretty boring in this day and age where the majority main protagonist is that. My problem with Kai'Sa is that she's another one added to the 30+ lasses with the same face and body shape, aided in silhouette only by very specific design elements, in this case her giant shoulder cannon things. While her cannons are perhaps among the more striking silhouette breakers for lasses with this body type, along the lines of Vi's gauntlets, Bristle for Sejuani, and Cassiopeia's snake arse, she also does very little within her non-shoulder cannon design to differentiate her from the other lasses. While in another game she might befairly unique, in League she's generic as hell. And it's hella disappointing after we've had lasses like {{champion:164}} {{champion:420}} {{champion:222}} {{champion:429}} {{champion:203}} (Half of them anyway) {{champion:421}} {{champion:163}} {{champion:142}}, who did break design moulds and stand out as unique in the roster. This wouldn't be as much of a problem is League wasn't inundated with sexy women, but it is, and seemingly they just kinda decided to not factor that in when making Kai'Sa? I dunno I just figured we'd get something more interesting out of this concept. Not sure if I've been as dissappointed as I am by Kai'Sa than by any champion release prior to her.
YuGiHo (NA)
: i cant help but think void creatures are toxic and eating them would be unwise.
They are, it was confirmed as such in Scourge of the Desert. Voidborn were shown to be deadly, poisonous to eat, and would disintegrate in minutes after death.
: Shadow Isles Lore Update
There isn't a need to rewrite the Shadow Isles; it was all rewritten with the current power dynamics in mind: Morde, Kalista, Karthus and Yorick are the main folks in command of parts of the Mist in varying ways. Thresh and Hecarim don't give a shit and just kill shit. Maokai is the only one not all about the Mist. The whole Isles were specifically reworked such that there were multiple facets rather than just all of them being an army of evil undead. There's rivalries and power struggles there. It works. There isn't a need for a rework.
: "Stranded for years in the void"
The flesh of voidborn probably. Likely had to build up an immunity to getting irradiated/poisoned by it. Probably voidborn entrails. Makes for a good detterent. Or maybe it'd just attract the bigger ones. Dunno.
: If Runeterra had a “Justice League” or “Avengers” who would you want on the team?
Going off more of lore than anything else, I'd picture a League Avengers like this: {{champion:131}} {{champion:81}} {{champion:427}} {{champion:267}} {{champion:13}} {{champion:98}} {{champion:163}} Gotta give some honorary rewards to {{champion:78}} and {{champion:432}} here too but the main seven there are who I feel would be the most likely Avengers team: a group of people covering all manner of territories in Runeterra who have the means to be involved in conflicts and storylines the world over. There aren't many champions as well travelled as these lot, with their overall goals being flexible enough that they're probably alright to drop things and team up: Nami and Taliyah can pretty much be free agents when their people are safe, Ezreal's only really focused on finding out his family's ultimate fate, and Ivern, Shen, Ryze and Diana are governed only by their overall responsibility to Runeterra itself.
: Considering the vast majority of people are straight, that is highly unlikely. If Riot wants to make a new original character that's gay, then that's awesome. Retconning an existing straight character to be gay just reeks of tokenism.
> **Considering the vast majority of people are straight,** that is highly unlikely. Says who? What statistics exist that indicate that? > If Riot wants to make a new original character that's gay, then that's awesome. Retconning an existing straight character to be gay just reeks of tokenism. Tokenism? They gave Varus two comics and a god damn music video. They've given precisely 4 champions music videos. Out of 139. That sounds like some preferential treatment right there, rather than a token gesture.
: Reminder that Varus was changed to being gay, from being unambiguously straight.
Varus was also changed to being a darkin from a human. There's also the whole insinutation that just cuz old Varus had a wife means he was 100% straight which isn't true; he could've been bi, pan, ace. Same goes for Varus's body buddies.
: Missing Champion Classes Per Region
Shurima doesn't have a burst mage, enchanter, catcher, assassin, skirmisher or warden. Mount Targon doesn't have a marksman, juggernaut, artillery mage, assassin, enchanter, skirmisher or champion with a unique playstyle. The Void doesn't have an enchanter, catcher, skirmisher, juggernaut, burst mage, vanguard or warden.
: Shyvana's lore has her remaining in human form to hide her secret but she is purple w/ lizard eyes
But they're not; Jarvan IV knows, the citizens living near Castle Wrenwall knew, just about everyone who's seen Shyvana knows. Shyvana gets by because of Jarvan: he vouches for her. I feel like this is the kind of things that becomes a bigger point of contention later, as people accuse J4 for colluding with a monster, while he counters by speaking to her strength of character and conviction. If anything I'd say it speaks volumes to how much people are willing to trust in J4 that they'll be willing to accept a dragon walking in their streets. Also Poppy has glamour and as such is disguised as a human most of the time. The situation's different.
: > [{quoted}](name=Ebonmaw Dragon,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=EZRceTcH,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-02-13T01:34:54.444+0000) > > Look at the ingame model instead, do you see sakura trees or something like that there? No, Do you see koi? Yes. Why would you name a skin after the fish that appear in the joke though. Wouldn't you name the skin after..what the skin looks like? Also it was just a thought, no need to get an attitude miss
Because Nami herself is an aquatic creature and thus Koi Nami serves to describe her form as well as the environment she's in.
Epicurus (OCE)
: > An extremely elite band of warmages known as the Arcane Fist are surprisingly decimated after an expedition into the Greenfang Mountains. What's this from? I thought I knew the lore, but I have not heard of the Arcane Fist. Regarding the rest of the timeline, the early events seem too recent to me. According to Mordekaiser's bio he has existed for "countless centruies" in total; he ruled as an undead revenant for centuries until his skull was stolen, and then he was dormant for centuries more until the Ruination of the Blessed Isles. Seeing how no one alive even seems to remember the Blessed Isles, these events can't have happened only within the last millennia.
This is Galio. Galio's first instance of being alive and active was during the battle between Noxus and Demacia where the Arcane Fist were present; he summarily crushed them.
: Dark Star J4 Splash
This splash paints the story of am noble corruptant; one who was born of a system who faced the dark star with nobility and pride, even as it destroyed them. It retained their valour and righteousness, carrying that conviction with it such that it would not be a great destroyer of systems, but a defender of them, protecting the universe's equilibrium with it's almighty cosmic power. An enemy to the dark star's current host of horrors, this one stands for the preservation of life, rather than it's decimation. Or at least that's the vibe I get from the splash. It might just be head canon, but the way Jarvan's just beholding the system in his hand, not carving it up, shattering it or consuming it, feels more noble than anything we've seen out of this series before, and contrasts nicely with the destructive nature of the prior corruptants of the dark star universe. Colour me impressed and hyped by this skin. An idea I couldn't have conceived in my wildest dreams that feels pretty well executed imo.
: Maybe it's from when he was in the gladiatorial arena in his youth?
But splash arts show champions as they are NOW in the modern era. It would make no sense to show him in his youth.
: Dark Star J4 Skin Spotlight
I'm baffled sometimes by some picks for skin series, but I can't deny the creativity behind this. Who thinks to put Dark Star and Jarvan together? Riot apparently. That recall has me thinking about the potential story behind Dark Star J4. Shaking off the grasping hands with a defiant bellow, perhaps this Corruptant is actually noble in spirit? Born of a star system long since consumed, who's people were noble and honourable, even as they faced oblivion? Now this Corruptant acts alone, perhaps even in defiance of the overwhelming power of the Dark Star, in pursuit of his own noble goals?
: He’s looked young in every one of his splasharts.
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/a/a6/Xin_Zhao_OriginalSkin_old.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120609050852 Personally this old splash made me think he was in his early fifties. At least. https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/7/78/Xin.png/revision/latest?cb=20170301161112 This version dropped my thoughts to him being mid forties maybe.
: New Xin Zhao Splash Art
He looks... Young? Like ridiculously young compared to what his story had always implied before hand. Like I'm not a Xin Zhao player so it's not like this affects me personally, but it certainly does leave me scratching my head.
GreenLore (EUW)
: We still got starguardian {{champion:6}} to do.
That's entirely community made though, not an actual meme about the game. Riot hasn't made promises about SG Urgot as they had with Dragonmaster Swain.
: Technically Captain Gangplank and Traditional Skins.
If we're counting skins deliberately made to be another product to sell, then Nasus would be the first since Infernal Nasus was released alongside his rework.
Tialilia (EUW)
: Dragon Master Swain Skin Teaser
THE MEMES ARE DEAD! LONG LIVE THE MEMES! For real though the skin looks awesome. Surprised they decided it would be 1350 rather than legendary (Looks that way at least, that's not confirmed yet), but hey I'll take it.
: Who's to say she's not using illusions to cover her ghastly true appearance?
What Helix said. LeBlanc's a master of illusions, so who's to say what she actually looks like?
: > [{quoted}](name=Sharjo,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=NwEJrXEl,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-05T20:44:03.310+0000) > > Not a clue, but man would that be a twist if she was actually a lich, one of Morde&#x27;s supposedly subservient liches, who broke free and had other ideas about ruling the world. I thought she was. With how it explained she "betrayed" him, I would assume she was one of the liches that told them how to kill him and had his bones scattered and whatnot. With that being said, in the previous Lore, the title was always passed down to make LeBlanc appear immortal. Because of how it was written, she may very well be immortal or in a position to have eternal youth due to necromantic powers she learned with Morde. Hell, wouldn't it be interesting if SHE taught him how to come back and resurrect himself? The same way Darkwill was vying for a way to stay immortal?
It would be interesting, and part of the appeal of LeBlanc is that, right now, there's a lot of different ways to consider things and all of them just add to the grandeur of her character. Will be fun to see how this plays out in the future!
: Any answer as to how she's survived for so long? She's not a Lich is she?
Not a clue, but man would that be a twist if she was actually a lich, one of Morde's supposedly subservient liches, who broke free and had other ideas about ruling the world.
: questions about leblancs new lore...
1) The thing with Morde and darkin is that it's most likely Morde gained power in the world after the Darkin War ended. If we consider the darkin likely did immense damage, probably destroyed multiple nations and brought humanity to their knees, then there'd be large areas of Runeterra without countries, which is where the various warbands and tribes vying for power cropped up from, leading to Morde's rise to power. 2) Global control? Runeterra's ultimate destruction? Who's to say really. It's not good though, that's for sure. 3) I wouldn't say so because her power comes from being subversive and influential in many different places, rather than raw power. I'd say she's comparable to some of League's stronger, more human mages like Ryze and Swain, but her powers are of course expressed in different ways to them. I doubt she could wield, at least at the moment, the raw destructive power Xerath could wield. I firmly believe there's a decently sized chunk of a power gap between her and the highest tiers, though she is noteable in her power at least.
: Funny, I was talking to Malicious Metal about the same thing earlier :P Sign me up aswell!
Honestly with all the updated lore, there's so much potential for more games set in Runeterra and it makes me sad that those don't exist yet and take advantage of the setting; thus far we have League and MVM, but we need MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORE!
: After reading the new story about Noxus... Am i the only one that'd want a separate game about it?
An rpg set in Runeterra where you're a an upcoming soldier, join in war campaigns, get embroiled in the politics of foreign nations and work your way up to being a high ranking member of the Trifarian Legion? Sign me up!
: I'm pretty sure I've never seen anyone mention it on Boards, and it's new to me. So I mean, unless there's a vast conspiracy to keep the knowledge of the Taliyah cameo a secret... Clearly the work of {{champion:7}} .
Having seen that piece when I was still with Riot, I can confirm that Taliyah was in it for ages. Looks like Bio needs to get caught up!
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: Is Ivern’s Daisy somehow tied to Annie’s Daisy, or is that too much of a stretch?
Well on the one hand, Runeterra's a planet and there's likely tons of people called Daisy. Also Daisy was called Daisy cuz of the daisy's that grew on her, rather than anything else. It's likely a coincidence. On the other hand: - The golem finds Daisy caught in the river, and goes to help. Sadly Daisy's already dead, and the river's waters harm the golem, leaving it wounded and in need of help. - Ivern stumbles on the scene, and sees that he can help things along as nature intends. Just like he did with the Shagyak in "Gift of Venom" he accelerates the natural decay of Daisy's corpse, prompting her body to rot until her remains have become a part of the pebble'd beach. - He takes one of these pebbles and fashions it in to a heart for the golem. As part of the code of mineral organisms the golem follows Ivern from this point on. - The daisy's that grew on the golem were because of Daisy's life force having permeated the stone. A coincidence of nature or nature's way of recognising how life changed and who's lives were changed? Hard to say, but the golem is dubbed Daisy for them. A little ramble from me at 6 in the morning, but eh, it's what I do really. I personally lean towards the former, cuz I feel like Ivern's story gets a bit cheapened by the Daisy connection, considering his relationship with the golem Daisy is about his selflessness, rather than preserving someone's life that was either on their way out or already dead. Ivern's about going about things in natures way, after all.
: > [{quoted}](name=WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=nPiEEh5x,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-02-02T15:46:12.102+0000) > > In the lore however, there is almost no reason for Talon and Aurelion to ever have to interact. I think that this is the exact reason of WHY it does matter, becasue champions with huge power will be never able to interact with champions that have way less power. If the power gap between Talon and Aurelion were not that huge, then it could be possible to think that those champions could interact between them... but its not the case. If Olaf for example were a mighty god of thunders and axes intead of a crazy viking that likes to fight and wants to die, we would never have a "crossover" between him(from freljord), lucian(demacian) and fortune(bilgewater), but it happened because he is not a godlike being of thunders and axes.
Aye but realistically what does that cross over matter? In WoW Sargeras was the size of a planet and the most interaction any of us had with him before he got imprisoned was watching him from literal miles away. Sometimes characters aren't meant to ever meet, be it because of where they live, who they are, what they are or because of how much stronger they are. It's not like such beings on the scale of Aurelion Sol are relatable and easy to fit in to such human sized arrangements anyway; his stories will always be cosmic in scale.
: Why do you say this? I highly doubt Riot will put through another retcon. They've already put WAY too much work into their current one. Just doing it over *again* would be a terrible idea.
Plus what's the reason to do it over NOW? Before it was because of the believed limitations of the setting in the IoW. The current setting has none of these issues, hence why we now have this whole power curve discussion; since the retcon Riot's been free to throw in champions with immense amounts of power comparatively to champions prior.
: But that wasn't the argument. The argument was that Zoe's power is not as destructively powerful, which is wrong. If anything it is stronger than Sol's in terms of raw demolish. It may not ever be used as such. But that doesn't change the potential uses of the power, it just means that the characters of Zoe and Twilight are restricting themselves.
Ok that's fair, my apologies. If I'm honest, I don't remember the exact wording of WAAARGHbobo's post. Been a bit since I last checked it out.
: And I still think his reasoning was bull. We clearly see energy and solids pass through the portal and that Zoe can open multiple at a time. That is all you need to destroy things as efficiently as Sol ever does. I mean, she could literally create nukes with that.
Sure but at the end of the day her power's not focused on destroying stuff, even if it can be applied as such. We always speak to Aurelion Sol's destructive capabilities, but in the end he's a creator at heart. The champion who is the most destructive is technically Kindred, and that expression of power is in just the assurity of death, rather than the spectacle of a dying star.
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