SatomiKun (EUW)
: I think that list misses some. {{champion:54}} if Galio is uber, then this one should be as well {{champion:33}} if it turns out that he really is a demigod like many assume now {{champion:44}} {{champion:131}} {{champion:89}} if you count Pantheon, then these should too
Malphite I'll give you because wow how did I forget malphite. Rammus is to big of a question mark right now. Diana, Taric and Leona are the humans, not the denizens of Targon. I mentioned Pantheon and Zoe specifically since they're the cosmic alien people with phenomenal powers.
: I mean yeah it’s called league of legends. Not league of myths. Legends were often about kings, warriors, thieves, and battles. Made a bit larger than life of course. Arthur was probably just a Welsh general, the siege of Troy didn’t involve the gods throwing boulders at each other. Roland’s paladins were probably just housecarls. But they were still about people. Whatever. We can both at least still agree there needs to be more trolls, right?
> Whatever. We can both at least still agree there needs to be more trolls, right? Absoluetly. More trolls are needed. The Troll King needs more subjects/rivals/confidantes.
: Is pantheon that powerfuk? I don't think atreus host can beat xerath, it seem that while pantheon does wipe the memory of his host, he doesn't seem to micromanage them.
I'm more speaking to Pantheon by himself, who exists in a similar capacity to Zoe providing she and he are the same kind of being. They'd presumably be on a similar power level.
: Eh. This argument seems pretty off. For years every champion was all just “street superhero” because they were all supposed to be fighting each other. But now the lore has taken a decidedly overpowered step. Since Kindred and Sol some street levels have been completely rewritten to become demigods. Volibear and Pantheon being the most obvious examples. But even all the Ascended, they were originally just strong aliens. Now read the completely ridiculous shit Xerath pulls in his fight and some of the insane damage Nasus shrugs off. That’s not street level heroics anymore. And Sion is said to be able to knock over 300 tons when all he was written as was just a tough zombie that couldn’t die. Then all the yordles became immortal fey. And the actual demons who (if Kench is to be believed) have some time control powers and are practically immortal. That’s damn strong. Oh forgot Malphite. Whos now mountain sized or something. Then there are the other “ancient magic evils” Xerath being already mentioned, but Liss is one as well, and so are the darkin supposedly. And this has all happened in just the last two years, where almost (but not quite every) lore update involves these demigods. I, in general, don’t like demigods (Ornn being the only exception thus far, mostly because of his personality more than that he’s a demigod). I’d rather have more soldiers and commanders, politicians and scientists.
Again we kind of stand as opposites, since I'm of the opinion that in a magical setting, making the most of that magic is what should be done. I'd rather have less soldiers, commanders, politicians and scientists when I can have ancient races, demi-gods, time travellers, demons, cosmic entities, etc. It's the League of _Legends_, after all, I pretty much expect the characters to be extraordinary. It's why my least favourite champion is Ezreal; he's the least extraordinary character on the block and is also quite an arse personality wise. It's not like you're wrong or I'm wrong; it's more a question of taste. 2015 was a great year League wise for me because the champion releases were Bard, Tahm Kench, Illaoi and Kindred, all who bring something super mystical to the table. my personal take is that League's got enough relatively normal humans (for a magical world) that having an influx of mega powerful entities dropped in is a welcome breath of fresh air. I can see why that's not appealing to others; it's hard to relate to Bard, Kindred or Tahm Kench for instance, but given my own thoughts it's what I stand by. I'll take god-like over street superhero any day of the week.
: Lore wise? Very
And the majority of champions aren't on that level. League's been missing out on actually uber powerful champions for years, it wasn't until really 2015 that anyone ridiculously uber lore powerful was unveiled (Bard, Kindred). I mean let's look: {{champion:34}} {{champion:136}} {{champion:432}} {{champion:3}} {{champion:54}} {{champion:427}} {{champion:80}} {{champion:203}} {{champion:516}} {{champion:106}} ((Insert Zoe here) Like really those are the ubers. Then everyone else is below that. 10/139.
: Does Aatrox do anything for revenge of his species? Last I heard he was just sort of wandering around battlefields like a loony, and fighting with the losers. Like, if he still fought against Tryndamere and all that (which I'm not sure is even canon anymore, you're Sharjo, you should know) then that's not looking for revenge. That's just wasting time and being a violent sociopath. Is he just really stupid and doesn't know how to get revenge?
His species was effectively kind of a foot note in the lore before Rhaast came around to give them a bit more context. It might as well not have even been a detail at all, for all the difference it made to Aatrox as a character. In terms of what's canon and what's not I know about as much as anyone since I'm not working with inside knowledge; I'm not working with Riot anymore, so let's pick this apart: _"One of the ancient darkin, Aatrox was once a peerless swordmaster who reveled in the bloody chaos of the battlefield."_ Ok we establish he's really good at fighting and a fairly nasty person since he likes killing. _"Trapped within his own blade by the magic of his foes, he waited out the millennia for a suitable host to wield him - this mortal warrior was corrupted and transformed by the living weapon, and Aatrox was reborn."_ So he was trapped by someone or something, and needs someone to wield him to be released, via corrupting them and twisting their body in to a form for him to use. Ok. _"Though tales of the darkin have now passed into legend, he remembers only too well the destruction of his race, and wreaks his vengeance one sword blow at a time."_ Ok so his people, the darkin, were basically wiped out, and he wants to get revenge. --- The main question about his motivations here is the question of who he's getting revenge on. Given his prior propensity for engaging in wars waged by humans, it would seem logical to assume that his vengeance is against humans, or some group of humans in particular. It's not stated who actually destroyed the darkin, so as it stands it's up in the air who he actually wants revenge on. Another question is about the host: What makes them suitable? What happens with a host? If a Aatrox's host iis something that'll only work temporarily, then Tryndamere could potentially be a candidate for becoming his new host, and driving him to revenge just as he was might be Aatrox's twisted way of making Tryndamere the perfect host for him; the most powerful possible body that could endure through the transformation, similarly to how Kayn is to Rhaast. Rhaast's first human host in recent times, the Noxian who wielded him in "Blade of Millennia", was easily dispatched by Kayn, indicating that the strength of the host is important. If Aatrox's goal is revenge, then getting the perfect body for said revenge, or perhaps just a surrogate body to endure through until he can actually free himself properlly, would be a sensible path. Hell, potentially human bodies just don't last for darkin; even if we assume the darkin could make a body stay healthy via their own powers, they're still wearing a human body, which has an expiration date. It might be that Aatrox's body might just die with old age and he needs to get a new one. The Aspects of Targon don't elongate their host's life last I checked, they just get new ones. It might be a simialar thing here. Or potentially a darkin's power is degenerative, and the human body, even as strong as it can possibly be, might be worn down and rotted over time from being worn by a darkin. Different angles to look at there. But right now, without a full bio to go on, those two questions, which I reckon are the biggest atm for Aatrox with this new paragraph, remain unexplained and as such it's difficult to draw a proper conclusion. We'll need to wait on the full bio, which I would've imagined is in the works given the fact they've put out an intro paragraph.
kolpy99 (NA)
: Let's all take this time to mourn Aatrox's bio removal
> Though tales of the darkin have now passed into legend, **he remembers only too well the destruction of his race**, and wreaks his vengeance one sword blow at a time. Feels more like they gave him actual character motivation rather than just doing weird things for whatever weird reason he had that was never explained. Revenge for his fallen species is a pretty understandable motivation. Also he's never been a God of War, he's always been part of a species called the darkin, and people ascribed legends to him being a hero of legend with incredible, inspirational power, which never translated in to game, even though it was really cool.
Nylisa (EUW)
: i think it would be nice to get a "Read more" link/button at the end of the characters lore on client.that opens the related page for players to read, just a nice addition to have :)
It would be, it very much would be. Dunno if it's on Riot's radar but I'm with you on that sentiment.
: No offense Riot, but in-game lore on champions isn't what it used to be.. :(
Riot stated a while back that the client and lore have been divorced, so unfortunately you're going to just have to go to Universe for lore for all your lore related needs.
Epicurus (OCE)
: Forgot one? {{champion:17}} "Undeterred by even the most dangerous and threatening of obstacles, Teemo scouts the world with boundless enthusiasm and a cheerful spirit. A yordle with an unwavering sense of morality, he takes pride in following the Bandle Scout's Code, sometimes with such eagerness that he is unaware of the broader consequences of his actions. Though some say the existence of the Scouts is questionable, one thing is for certain: Teemo's conviction is nothing to be trifled with." Syndra's is also different to her universe bio, but it's essentially just paraphrasing the same thing.
Hm, didn't exist when I made this. No matter, I'll update this. Thanks Epicurus!
: Maybe "Cosmic dragon" is a term used to describe any cosmic creature of the likeness?
I would've expected it to be a term given to beings that came after A. Sol, since it's implied that dragonkind's form being similar to A. Sol's is owed to a matter imitating energy kind of deal. Potentially cosmic dragons exist on a wider scale as a result of A. Sol existing, and them coming in to existence naturally over the course of time and evolution.
: > [{quoted}](name=Sharjo,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=0QAJkdty,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-11-07T03:05:02.827+0000) > > Last I remember Aurelion Sol was stated to be the only space dragon, that he was born in to the cosmos alongside other entities of similar power, but they weren't in the same form as him. Not sure what that means for A. Sol given what Zoe keeps saying. Is also love to know why they seem to have it out for poor a sol
Well I mean they have him enslaved atm so y'know, Zoe's basically in a prime position to bully him. Makes me want him to be free even more, so he can obliterate her sorry arse.
: > [{quoted}](name=FlamingEnemy13,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=0QAJkdty,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-11-07T02:58:53.381+0000) > > Wasn’t this already confirmed with A. Sol’s release? I'm not sure. The way a sol talks about himself led me to believe he made everything
Last I remember Aurelion Sol was stated to be the only space dragon, that he was born in to the cosmos alongside other entities of similar power, but they weren't in the same form as him. Not sure what that means for A. Sol given what Zoe keeps saying.
: So what's the dealio with this cassio icon?
I guess it was initially planned for Eternum Cass's release, but was pushed back, potentially for quality concerns, potentially because things got shuffled around and forgotte, things like that. These things happen sometimes.
GreenLore (EUW)
: Annies was the most interesting to me,as it finally removes the voodoo lands. Though I'm kinda sad to see that the voodoo lands were seemingly not replaced and annie is now just part of noxus.
Well Noxus is certainly big, so it's not like being Noxus implies you're in a small part of the world. She could be basically be anywhere shown on the Medarda Heirloom as far as we know.
: New Bio changes
These changes appear to be client side at the moment, sort of catching up to where Universe is in some aspects. For those who wanna see the ones that are actual changes from what's displayed on Universe as opposed to just those champions intro paragraphs: {{champion:266}}: "One of the ancient darkin, Aatrox was once a peerless swordmaster who reveled in the bloody chaos of the battlefield. Trapped within his own blade by the magic of his foes, he waited out the millennia for a suitable host to wield him - this mortal warrior was corrupted and transformed by the living weapon, and Aatrox was reborn. Though tales of the darkin have now passed into legend, he remembers only too well the destruction of his race, and wreaks his vengeance one sword blow at a time." {{champion:34}}: "Anivia is a benevolent winged spirit who endures endless cycles of life, death, and rebirth to protect the Freljord. A demigod born of unforgiving ice and bitter winds, she wields those elemental powers to thwart any who dare disturb her homeland. Anivia guides and protects the tribes of the harsh north, who revere her as a symbol of hope, and a portent of great change. She fights with every ounce of her being, knowing that through her sacrifice, her memory will endure, and she will be reborn into a new tomorrow." {{champion:432}}: "A traveler from beyond the stars, Bard is an agent of serendipity who fights to maintain a balance where life can endure the indifference of chaos. Many Runeterrans sing songs that ponder his extraordinary nature, yet they all agree that the cosmic vagabond is drawn to artifacts of great magical power. Surrounded by a jubilant choir of helpful spirit meeps, it is impossible to mistake his actions as malevolent, as Bard always serves the greater good... in his own odd way." {{champion:64}}: "A master of Ionia's ancient martial arts, Lee Sin is a principled fighter who channels the essence of the dragon spirit to face any challenge. Though he lost his sight many years ago, the warrior-monk has devoted his life to protecting his homeland against any who would dare upset its sacred balance. Enemies who underestimate his meditative demeanor will endure his fabled burning fists and blazing roundhouse kicks." {{champion:56}}: "A demonic amalgamation drawn from the nightmares that haunt every sentient mind, the thing known as Nocturne has become a primordial force of pure evil. It is liquidly chaotic in aspect, a faceless shadow with cold eyes and armed with wicked-looking blades. After freeing itself from the spirit realm, Nocturne descended upon the waking world, to feed upon the kind of terror that can only thrive in true darkness." {{champion:134}}: "Syndra is a fearsome dark mage with incredible power at her command. As a child of Ionia, she disturbed the village elders with her prodigious but reckless use of magic. They sent her away to be trained under strict supervision, but she quickly surpassed her mentor and discovered he was restraining her powers. Betrayed and disgusted by such cowardice, Syndra eliminated her teacher and struck out to destroy all who would try to limit her potential, dark spheres in hand." {{champion:17}}: "Undeterred by even the most dangerous and threatening of obstacles, Teemo scouts the world with boundless enthusiasm and a cheerful spirit. A yordle with an unwavering sense of morality, he takes pride in following the Bandle Scout's Code, sometimes with such eagerness that he is unaware of the broader consequences of his actions. Though some say the existence of the Scouts is questionable, one thing is for certain: Teemo's conviction is nothing to be trifled with." {{champion:77}}: "Udyr is more than a man; he is a vessel for the untamed power of four primal animal spirits. When tapping in to the sprits' beastial natures, Udyr can harness their unique strengths: The tiger grants him speed and ferocity, the turtle resilience, the bear bear might, and the phoenix its eternal flame. With their combined powers, udyr can turn back all who would attempt to harm the natural order." _**Changes of note: Aatrox more clearly speaks to him conquering a host and his actual goals as an individual, Anivia's mentions she's a demi-god, where as her current bio doesn't, Bard's got reworded and no longer calls him a spirit, Lee's talks about embodying the dragon spirit, Nocturne's describes him as demonic in some aspect, and him originating from the spirit realm, which we know of from Shen, and Teemo's apparently out scouting the entire world.**_
: Are you still dong what we learn series?
Debating on it at the moment. Things are a bit busy at home, and I also haven't been keeping tabs on all of the lore bits and bobs, like all the Q&As and the like this year on account of how my situation changed.
Ralanr (NA)
Not to busy at the moment; been keeping a bit back from League lore since I'm not working with Riot anymore, so wanted to gain a bit of distance and time before diving back in.
: What champions have no real lore that you believe have a lot of potential?
{{champion:31}} His lore is "The Void exists. I am from the Void." And that's it. So much room for awesome.
: a question about runeterra lore
Seems likely that everyone's in the same time period; that's how it was with the old lore and likely how it remains. What "modern day" means for Runeterra though is anyone's guess.
: So Mecha aren't colossal in size? Then why have we been comparing them to Pacific Rim for so long?
I'd imagine it depends on the needs of the Mecha. Aatrox, Sion and Malphite seem huge, but considering Rengar turns in to a car it's not surprising he's not as large. Different Mecha for different roles.
: I think Sona is legit more attractive than Ahri Her splashart just conveys this mix of beauty and cuteness to me that I adore
You are a man/woman/individual with class and refinement. I like you.
: [Discussion] Who is the most beautiful champion?
{{sticker:sona-playing}} There's no contest. Fight me.
: My reasoning was based off " A History of the Harrowing" map, remembering it mentions Nautilus stalling the encroaching Blackmist. Figured there could be an association between that and another of similar caliber, since Illaoi could do the same through the help of her God. Although that map predates the Universe site too and there's been no effort to include it since launch either...
I assumed personally that Nautilus's protection of Bilgewater was Riot trying to add some depth to his character; he may not remember much of his past but he remembers he has something to fight for, or at least something he disliked that he now can fight against. Something to give him more than his self contained story of revenge against a set group of people. But yeah I dunno. Hope they get around to updating him soon; he's always been a favourite of mine. For a while he _was_ my favourite along with Nami, though they've both been a bit superceded now.
: Does "Into the Abyss" affect Nautilus? Not when Nami's story takes place on the opposite end of the world and there's no known breach in or around the Serpent Isles. Seems that until there is actual evidence to the contrary, I would think it's safe to conclude the Void was not involved. I will say this, 3 years has been a long time to wait for a Nautilus LU. There better be a significant change to his background and (if necessary) a VO update to justify this needlessly long hiatus. If I had to guess, Nautilus will be another emissary for Nagakabouros.
If I had to guess, Nautilus will be another emissary for Nagakabouros. On Illaoi's champion page though (back before Universe admittedly) he was listed as someone she opposed, which makes me think that whatever made him what he is now certainly isn't something alligned with Illaoi's vision of Nagakabouros. Admittedly the potential for him _being_ an emmisary and his existence being a challenge to Illaoi's understanding makes for a cool thematic, I'm not sure if that's what would be happening with Nautilus. His desire for vengeance seems like a point of stagnation that by default puts him at odds with Illaoi regardless.
: What if the PROJECT skin line exists because Viktor won his war with Jayce?
Who says that Battlecast has anything to do with Jayce? Maybe Viktor's Battlecast army is built to take down a far more serious threat, a world ending apocalypse that only engine of destruction wrought from steel can conquer.
: I think new Urgot's ult would make him perfect for a dark star skin.
You're not the first to propose this: Which just means it should happen.
: I can see Impale simply becoming a basic ability, to be honest- Similarly to how Galio's Idol of Durand did. :P
Make his E a long skillshot where he stabs with his tail from range to poison an enemy, suppressing them and dragging them to himself. Make the abduction potential even more scary MUAHAHAHAHAHA {{sticker:sg-syndra}} I can see it now and I kinda want it. Skarner VGU when Rito
: I don't even play Skarner, but if he had that "awaken kin" fantasy, I'd probably be inclined to try him. Sounds super cool.
Take it a step further and replace his ultimate with "Awaken the Sleepers" where a whole host of Brackern pop up out of the ground with Skarner leading them to ravage the enemy team. It might be sacrelige to say that Impale could or should be removed, but that image of an army of Brackern always makes me happy.
: Let's talk Power Fantasies.
> And this is coming from someone who has been playing Skarner as his main Jungler for the past 4 seasons. A man after my own heart right here. In terms of Skarner's power fantasy then, would you say that Skarner should be transitioned from less brooding to more driven? Someone who'll still lament for what's lost but be more about what he needs to do rather than what has already happened? Something I draw back to is that he's the Crystal "Vanguard", so perhaps him shifting more in to that mindset of being the one fighting for the Brackern as opposed to mourning for them could help him out in that regard. One thing I'd definetly say is that though making lore and gameplay sync up can be awkward, especially in a case like this, I feel like Skarner could benefit from being not alone in game. It'd probably be really awkward and I can't even fathom how this'd be balanced, but I like to imagine a version of Skarner where his crystal zones are actually his sleeping kin, and he'd wake them up to help him fight stuff in the jungle. They'd help him with his clear, fend off invaders if they spotted them, defend allies, things like that. Enemies could beat them up and they'd scurry back underground to protect themselves. That might be the most outlandish idea ever and I dunno if that kind of power is even appreciable for the Skarner player, but any thoughts on that?
: How come new Eve doesn't have any unique interactions with Xayah and Rakan?
Maybe they did but it didn't make it in. They write way more VO lines than actually get in game.
: Oh look. Another Annie skin is in the making.
Half of Annie's skin catalogue isn't regularly purchasable, one's locked behind hextech crafting, and she's even got a limited edition skin. She has four normally purchasable skins and arguably only two or three are any good. Quantity =/= quality. I'm pleased she's finally getting some actually good skins.
: Honestly. I think Ahri has a lore contradiction, and a personality crisis.
> Ahri needs a lore overhaul to make things clear, that she has a **very bad addiction** or she has some sort of rare symptom that forces her to devolve. I mean that's basically what her bio alludes to now? She's addicted?
: What is dead may never die!
Riddarn (EUNE)
: I'd follow that into the woods.
  Rioter Comments
: I thought that Swain was an agent of change. In all seriousness, didn't black rose reborn Sion though Vladimir? And this was after Darkwill tried and failed. Are you saying that the second resurrection through the the black rose will be retconned or that they won't go back there necromancy after these two attempts?
I doubt they'd retcon the Sion stuff considering how recent it is. From a personal standpoint though, if I was Noxus I'd be like "Nope. One undead monstrosity's enough. At least until we figure out how this stuff actually works." And then who the hell actually knows how this stuff works? There's different ways of looking at Sion and moralising his usage by Noxus, both back in his first resurrection and now, but no one can deny how fucked up it is in the first place. The societal impact of a cultural hero being turned in to a mindless, undead aberation has lasting effects. How many people would want to join the military if necromancy was on the table? How many other cases like Quiletta would occur? The Ionian invasion was one thing but necromancy? Harrowings are nasty enough without Noxus dabbling in the same wheelhouse. Swain, LeBlanc and Vladimir might not care, but two of those champions are also unlikely to be very public figures. The public faces of Noxus beyond Swain, like Katarina, Darius, Draven, would they stand for this? I'm just of the opinion that, from a cultural standpoint, Noxus would never be in favour of necromancy, and it'd hurt Swain politically if he started dabbling in it beyond Sion. Hell Sion's probably a pain point for a lot of people to begin with.
: Quilletta or Dacius as a Noxian Necromancy Champion
You really expect them to go back in to necromancy after Sion? And on anyone who isn't the Hand of Noxus?
: Right, but he's like 300 tons or something. And has an inherently unstable base (there's a reason why the Colossus of Rhodes fell down). Look at how top heavy his design is. And armies don't travel in straight lines on roads. They go through forests, and up mountains. They have to cross rivers. This ridiculous monstrocity would completely stop any army from moving in difficult terrain. It is ridiculous. Any general with half a brain could maneuver around them. And that's not even getting into how slow oxen move in comparison to horses and men. This is a really stupid design from any military standpoint. Maybe. Maybe if it could be taken apart and reassembled (as was done with the parts of trebuchets and mangonels that couldn't be made on site). But even then, that stuff was always at the back of the moving army because it was never needed unless a siege was taking place. And sieges are long drawn out affairs, it wasn't uncommon for the parts I'm talking about to be a week or even a month behind the main army. And to reiterate these would just be the important pieces that couldn't for whatever reason be built on site. Not a gargantuan freaking statue. Now usually, you could just handwave this and say "magic did it" it's a pretty boring answer but you could do it. But this is Demacia with a statue of anti-magic. This is the one time where that answer does not apply.
I feel like there's something to be said for Demacia usually fighting in its own territory or not far beyond it, so potentially they can set up paths in advance, create roads and access ways specifically for Galio to be brought through on, even if the system for doing so is woefully inefficient. One can argue that for how much Galio actually does to mitigate magic by just being there that the Demacian military mostly just sighs and says "Well it's not like we have a better option", though I do agree with you on how ridiculous it is for Demacia as a whole to put resources in to this, and I don't have a good answer for it. If anything I'd have said it'd be more efficient for Demacia to have made multiple statues like Galio and stationed them at strategic locations, and focused their efforts about funneling any potential conflicts towards those areas if possible. The irony of the whole situation is that if they knew Galio was sentient and actually gave him the means to operate without magical input it'd be way easier on them since he could just walk with the army. Course that raises the question of how do you make Galio not need the initial magic to wake up. More magic I guess?
: Admittedly, I didn't even notice the Fiora changed looks until it was pointed out to me. But I still think skyscraper Galio is silly. Why and how the hell did an army move that thing? That is a terrible design.
Turns out you need that much petricite to protect an army. Durand just made it more symbolic than just a giant shield. Also with oxen apparently. Lots and lots of oxen. "Using a system of pulleys, steel sledges and countless oxen, they would pull the great stone figure to the battlefield."
: That was all more about her visuals(mainly the splash art) than the actual gameplay.
I don't often dislike our community, but man did seeing the boards in that two week period make my blood boil. "She looks like a 40 year old transvestite." Jesus wept. It felt more like people were reacting to someone saying "Sexy's bad so we're changing it", and being livid over it, rather than having any reasonable level of discussion. Not to mention that the changes weren't that astronomical. They turned Galio in to a skyskraper and the outcry about that paled in comparison to the Fiora outrage.
LankPants (OCE)
: >Personally I think Irelia needs a complete remake kit wise. Her kit may be solid sure, but not only is it a stat check nightmare, it also horrible fails at conveying her fantasy of wielding swords with her brain, which is a really cool fantasy. Chasing fantasy at the expense of gameplay from a solid kit and the old mains is what Riot tried in the tank rework, especially with Sejuani. The utter failure of those reworks should show you why this is a bad strategy, given the Xin rework though I think Riot may have actually learnt from a mistake for once.
And then we have Fiora, where you could say she didn't need a rework, but is far better off for it and it hits her fantasy to a much greater extent than before. I'd argue that the tank rework and all class update problems stem from Riot going too broad and not giving each champion the attention they actually needed. Half measures are just that, and I think anything less than a complete overhaul for Irelia would be exactly the problem you're wanting to avoid.
: When Irelia gets a rework
Personally I think Irelia needs a complete remake kit wise. Her kit may be solid sure, but not only is it a stat check nightmare, it also horribly fails at conveying her fantasy of wielding swords with her brain, which is a really cool fantasy. Nothing she does in game actually utilizes her theme in any way, and all of her active skills could be accomplished with a different weapon, which is a huge diservice to how cool that theme can be. In honesty I don't think there's anything in Irelia's kit aside from maybe her Q would or should carry over through a VGU.
: It seems like Riot is slowly hinting at something very large involving the Void.
I feel like it's more just establishing that "Yeah the Void's a thing that actually affects people" instead of "It's a weird thing that's a _mystery_...". I mean if we go back a few years, the Void and the Shadow Isles both kinda just did nothing. They were just there with little substance, but nowadays I find myself hard pressed not to think of these two forces as things that are actually dangerous or in any way an active threat to Runeterra.
: If that was the case, for clarity sake, they should lay down some dates or estimated one. Because i wasn't the only one who brought this up.
Riot HATES giving dates. Magma Chamber was a thing at one point that made them hate giving dates.
: Riot, a question about reworks...
I'd assume nothing's pushed back since one doesn't affect the other. Xin Zhao's being done by live gameplay, not the VGU teams. They already said his was a smaller job so one can extrapolate it'd be out potentially before Evelynn just from that. No one ever stated concretely when he'd be out of course, but I'm inclined to say myself that from your wording, you're annoyed by a percieved change of plans, when really nothing changed. Evelynn's rework would have taken this amount of time regardless; if she'd been delayed they'd have said. Xin's rework likely changed nothing about how Evelynn was secheduled.
: There are people in Earth that worshipped dragons even if they dont exist there... So, i wouldnt be surprised that some people in Runeterra worshipps them
The thing is though, do they actually know he exists? Like for real, how often has he ever gotten down to such a level that mortal beings have ever truly comprehended him as he is? For Targon and that's pretty much it. Like he says: _"They call me a comet. They call me a dragon. They have no words for my true form."_ I'd be willing to bet that Aurelion Sol's actually an unknown entity across most of Runeterra, maybe perhaps with Mount Targon's denizens being the exception.
: > [{quoted}](name=Sharjo,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=3WXyo1lO,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-09-15T17:21:16.052+0000) > > What about them surprises you? Lol i did not finished the sentence... Im surprised that the "human" version of them actually look like them! And it seems that is a "magical spell" created by Heimerdinger and not something "passive" that all the yordles have
Dunno if Heimer made it himself since we've seen Poppy and Kled use glamours and they're like so, so far away from Piltover/Zaun, but I feel like it makes sense for it to be a spell more than some innate trait since what kind of use would glamours have outside of interacting with humans? Who evolves a magical illusion just for that? It might be that Heimer knows how to make glamour as opposed to him having made glamour in itself, if that makes sense. Also yeah, was surprised by how there's like _no_ size difference at least. That threw me off. I guess people just assume these folks are dwarves? The medical condition not the fantasy race. Or maybe humans can just naturally be that small. Or maybe yordle have been so prevalent in human cultures that no one questions small humans anymore. I dunno. I'm just having fun thinking about what other yordles look like as humans now, since they're all apparently as titchy as they are normally.
: I havent read the comic yet... but im surprised that the "human" versions of the yordles.
What about them surprises you?
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