: everyone is so overhyped about T4 they completely neglect the fact that the majority of levels will be spent looking worse than current pk kayle (T1 &2). Not to mention some matches may not even reach T4 due to length.
: Good and evil are tempered by society. Society can be influenced by many factors.Religion, Government to name a few. Honestly i could site examples to some abhorrent and Evil acts that are considered Normal in other societies but i dont want a Boards ban
Yeah in those topics when you want to use an actual example it usually goes against the "no politics" rule
RJay123 (NA)
: Unpopular Opinion: Good and Evil are not relative @Riot
I dont think it's an unpopular opinion at all here
: Zyra rising to almost 55% wr with this patch
Mages are not balanced, they are so weak and need buffs in fact. Trust me, I'm ingenier.
Bultz (NA)
: Your fucking kidding yourselves if you think this Yasuo nerf is okay
: Riot you overdid the transformation things with aether wing kayle
: > [{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=aqipeEAJ,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-02-21T09:14:53.044+0000) > > Sivir already got a W bugfix nerf (deserved) > > From OPGG: http://www.op.gg/champion/statistics > > {{champion:22}} 52.14% winrate 6.01% pickrate > > {{champion:222}} 51.61% winrate 7.65% pickrate > > {{champion:15}} 52.57% winrate 19.85% pickrate > > Now, why are you not complaining about Vayne and Lucian ? On the same OPGG they have > > {{champion:236}} 52.47% winrate 23.47% pickrate > > {{champion:67}} 52.07% winrate 22.47% pickrate > > > So {{champion:67}} has almost the same winrate AND more than x3 pickrate than {{champion:22}} Sorry >-< I was kinda tired and I guess I only saw those three. I'm not complaining about their winrates, just asking to see if you guys think they'll be hit with a hard nerf any time soon, or/and if they're worth learning.
Oh no, none of this adcs will be nerfed in months and months, otherwise I would be really surprised. Ashe imo is the best adc to learn how to play adc but to master her she's lackluster on soloQ due to her kit being more utility focused than other adcs. Jinx is probably the best soloQ adc and I recommend you to play her, she's also really fun imo. Sivir is usually seen as a boring adc but I love her, she's my most played adc this season.
: What League Universe Story would you like to listen to in audio format?
Anyone and I would LOVE to see how much I can understand of it because reading on english is way easier than listening and I want to keep learning. (Last experiment I did was watching for the first time Frozen on english with no subs neither on spanish or english and I could understand almost everything. Note: it's an amazing movie, why did I wait like 5 years to watch it) Personal preference? Any Piltover story, I love that city. So if you do it count on me as a a faithful listener of your narrations.
: > [{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n5QR64r0,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-21T14:52:44.471+0000) > > I actually think that the idea of 3rd/4th form is this one > > https://i.ytimg.com/vi/WLeL7GxMA3s/maxresdefault.jpg > > There's a part that it's still the wings and the two separated parts are like aether cannons. > > I would like how they did it if they changed a bit the damm colours, the copper on the last form kills it for me, anyway I crafted that skin years ago when they just released the loot system and as a law career student I guess I should play the female judge Dredd the reference didnt escape me. i found it hilarious that they used judge dredd quotes in this. i was really talking about her big main wings that dont really look like wings anymore. the floaty cannons at the side is not whats bothering me. i dont know. maybe its just me. i have the shard, but i dont think ill unlock it. i still have my season 1 judgement kayle skin which got a huge upgrade, the free riot kayle, and now the pentakill kayle which looks absolutely amazing with the burning effects.
Oh my old brother has the Judgment Kayle but I started to play later so I missed it, if they change the skills to be dark/blue/grey it will be amazing. I mean I would craft Aether W because I craft all legendary skins shards I get that are non meme tier as that 1820 TF one, Alien Heimer with base skills. That's why I have Mecha Zero Sión even though I barely play him or Darkfrost Anivia, I rather craft good skins for champs I dont use than normal skins for champs I dont play aswell. And I'm still holding the Gentleman Cho Gath shard waiting for it to be worth spening the orange essence eventually.
: > [{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n5QR64r0,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-02-21T14:31:57.600+0000) > > I like the 3rd form, 4th is ass on the other way. > > Honestly I did good in keeping the Inquisitor shard because it looks amazing, I'll probably upgrade it. i dont understand what her wings in her third and fourth form are supposed to be. theyre not even streamlined anymore. they just look like they have been crumpled up into this deformed state. meanwhile pentakill kayle. ill definitely upgrade that one. (edit.: infact i just did.) https://imgur.com/a/uqPuwjy
I actually think that the idea of 3rd/4th form is this one https://i.ytimg.com/vi/WLeL7GxMA3s/maxresdefault.jpg There's a part that it's still the wings and the two separated parts are like aether cannons. I would like how they did it if they changed a bit the damm colours, the copper on the last form kills it for me, anyway I crafted that skin years ago when they just released the loot system and as a law career student I guess I should play the female judge Dredd
Baval (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n5QR64r0,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-02-21T14:08:26.393+0000) > > The black is not the problem, black with also copper and gold at the same time is what makes it look horrible imo > > It's just an awful color combination its literally the same color combination just relocated.
It isn't, look at the colour of the meta of the last form and compare it to the 3rd form wings and you'll see that on the 4th form her "gold/copper" parts on her wings are even different than the colour of 4th form shoulders armor.
: theyre not going to do that, because it would reduce visual clarity. her transformations and her changing model are a general indicator for how powerful she currently is. its not just an accessory like aatrox banner wings or kaisas helmet. if youd allow her to return to her second form at lvl 11, people might get confused why she auto attacks at range even though she looks like she shouldnt. i understand that you can just look at her level, but its still something riot probably wont do. i also understand why you want it. her third and fourth form on the aether wing kayle skin looks like ass. i dont even know what her wings are supposed to be. they just look deformed. so glad right now that i have both, the aether wing kayle skin shard and the pentakill skin shard. the pentakill skin actually looks better than her legendary, and im going to unlock that. unless judgement kayle is better than both of them. edit.: holy fuck, judgement kayle looks awesome. im so glad i have that.
I like the 3rd form, 4th is ass on the other way. Honestly I did good in keeping the Inquisitor shard because it looks amazing, I'll probably upgrade it.
GreenKnight (EUNE)
: Why the hell does she turn black?
The black is not the problem, black with also copper and gold at the same time is what makes it look horrible imo It's just an awful color combination
: I can't see this as being possible, given that for GGMF and DJ Sona those forms are not related to any specific power point, while on Aether Wing Kayle it's the visual cue to let you immediately know how powerful she is at any given point in time. Being able to control which form you're in seems like it would be confusing, especially as some of the animations are form-specific (such as E's casting when ascended and dealing AoE damage).
: top lane feels like the worst role to play
Toplane is a great place if you want to be tilted
: > [{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=svz4fBuU,comment-id=00010001000100010000,timestamp=2019-02-21T12:20:31.808+0000) > > Have you seen Inquisitor forms? > > Pentakill is awesome aswell You the same kinda guy that plays Trundle without the base skin. smh
I dont play Trundle, period. He's too ugly, I can only play cute adcs, my aesthetics standarts are really high.
: Jinx with Lux is Amazing!
http://optimal.inven.co.kr/upload/2017/07/27/bbs/i15928608067.jpg
: Aether Wing Kayle final form looks pretty bad
Who the hell pairs mate BLACK with COPPER ? Jesús just make the copper parts metal grey and suddenly it would look way better
: > [{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=svz4fBuU,comment-id=000100010001,timestamp=2019-02-21T09:25:20.503+0000) > > Dont you like female Judge Dredd Aether Wing ? > > I got that and I'm excited Base skin master race.
Have you seen Inquisitor forms? Pentakill is awesome aswell
Jaspers (EUW)
: I haven't listened to her voice lines, please tell me she has a "I am the law." line?
On a pentakill: >I AM THE JUDGE >I AM THE JURY >AND I AM THE LAW
: Well for one thing (Incoming Ivern Bramblefoot comment) Ivern kills kids :P Jokes aside, this is kind of my main problem with good and evil in lore. To use Gangplank as an example: His rise/rebirth before Illaoi was actually a good thing and Sarah Fortune was presented as evil because "Gangplank kept order in Bilgewater and without him, now there's chaos and madness". With Rakan, he's more than willing to kill for his girlfriend. And yeah, there are negative aspects to every good character but must they be so pronounced? More importantly, it feels like now illustrates a big error: A character like superman, no matter what, always does the right thing. In most cases this comes off as Superman being a lazy mary sue but when written correctly, it shows a deep and tragic nature. Superman wants to do the right thing but he's one man (Albeit a demigod/god) who can't be everywhere. For everyone he saves, there's always someone he leaves behind. Peter Parker regularly does the right thing but often at the cost of his own life, friendship and more. In these league cases (or at least how new lore often feels), it feels as if Superman would have let someone die because they were a mage and FUCK MAGES BRO. And yes, you're right that there are "good" people and evil people in League. Some recent ones even albeit with some questionable underelements. That said, I wish those who were good WERE good and didn't always have to come with some backstory or element where they did evil. Alternatively, it's slightly worrying that the Mordekaiser hints Scathlocke provided in said thread seem to imply Morde actually was doing all this bad for a good reason. I think to sum it up as best I can: I'd like it if "Well actually..." was harder to do with champions rather than it being the complete norm. (Certain champions, mind you. Not all of them.)
>His rise/rebirth before Illaoi was actually a good thing and Sarah Fortune was presented as evil because "Gangplank kept order in Bilgewater and without him, now there's chaos and madness" That's GP propaganda, Bilgewater is better with MF
: > [{quoted}](name=Warlord Dienekes,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=svz4fBuU,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-02-20T20:24:28.362+0000) > > What fucking moron wouldn't wear armor? Kayle, obviously. And I gotta say, Riot really nailed making Kayle a moron in her new lore.
Dont you like female Judge Dredd Aether Wing ? I got that and I'm excited
: Need advice on avoiding jungle ganks as ADC
I mean fellow MF main, she is one of the most immobile adcs in the game so we always have a bad time at evading ganks. Buy {{item:2055}} , now, it looks stupid but check how many times in your games you buy wards. On the other hand you have to always be aware of the map, if the enemy jng shows up in toplane you are safe for a while etc
Zezilian (EUNE)
: Why Zed got buffed ?
I mean it's not like if he was strong, lets see how he performs with the changes
: I think {{champion:222}} {{champion:22}} {{champion:15}} being meta is generally healthier for the game than certain other common marksmen picks, {{champion:236}} {{champion:119}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:145}} {{champion:21}}, so I am hesitant to suggest nerfing them directly. You have to consider who would rise to top tier in their place if they were nerfed. Marksmen as a class might be over-buffed right now. I'd say nerf {{item:3031}} a little bit, but leave defensive marksmen items strong {{item:3046}} {{item:3026}} {{item:3080}} so that their survivability isn't hurt. Riot could nerf {{item:3031}} a lot and it would still remain viable if not core on many marksmen. It's a good place to take oppressive strength out of the class while encouraging marksman build diversity.
No, they wont nerf the core items of already weak adcs such as {{champion:18}} because other are strong with it
: What're your thoughts on Jinx, Ashe and Sivir's winrates?
Sivir already got a W bugfix nerf (deserved) From OPGG: http://www.op.gg/champion/statistics {{champion:22}} 52.14% winrate 6.01% pickrate {{champion:222}} 51.61% winrate 7.65% pickrate {{champion:15}} 52.57% winrate 19.85% pickrate Now, why are you not complaining about Vayne and Lucian ? On the same OPGG they have {{champion:236}} 52.47% winrate 23.47% pickrate {{champion:67}} 52.07% winrate 22.47% pickrate So {{champion:67}} has almost the same winrate AND more than x3 pickrate than {{champion:22}}
: Not being able to attack while Kayle is ulting one of her teammates feels awful
But is needed to make her balanced, it's not healthy that her alone can make herself invulnerable and melt everyone without counterplay I love the idea of her new R
: > [{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=KXEM0X8w,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-20T23:24:46.844+0000) > > Hhahahahaha no oh an adc main, who would've known you're the one to make the comment saying no..
> [{quoted}](name=SnackerMore,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=KXEM0X8w,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-02-21T07:57:37.837+0000) > > oh an adc main, who would've known you're the one to make the comment saying no.. Yup, it's a smurf but I have the adc icon so everyone can know that I'm a biased adc main.
AjXtar (EUW)
: I have checked probuilds and lolalytics and almost nobody does max w or puts more points than 1 into that ability.
I never said that W is maxed (even though pro players as GRF Viper sometimes do it on some matchups) But since I sometimes play him and specially play agaist him a lot I know that he usually picks W as first skill (but max Q then) to get the Mana Band procs easier because you practically cant evade the W poke through minions, you can play around the low range Q to denie his Mana Band procs but you cant be out of his W range on lane at all. So yes, 20 more mana on W and a bit less dmg is not a meme nerf, but I do think that his Q ad ratio should be reverted from the buff he got on 8.17 (I think) because it wasn't needed by any means.
: > [{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Aa1zzwg5,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-02-20T20:16:36.731+0000) > > And that's why he's getting a nerf tomorrow Meme nerf LUL
Spoken as someome who has never played Lucian and ignores what makes him strong. I do think he needs more nerfs, but it's far from being a meme nerf due to how fast he goes oom already.
: I wish the E gave active range for 10 seconds like before. I guess I'm a melee champion now, so I better have MELEE BASE STATS new Q is really cool, but the hitbox might be too thin. I hope the E cooldown is short R is fucking stupid. 160s CD rank 1 means the ability is gonna be ASS to use. I want invul, not damage, give back my short cooldown. R needs to have no mana cost OR increase kayle's mana. E needs to restore at least half it's cost on killing minions with the empowered attack.
For what I've seen she wont be playable on Bot, Jng or Supp. I can see her rushing Gunblade with a Mana Band to skip a first mana item and the go to Nashor's Tooth. Since her passive doesn't has synergy with either Guinsoo's or Runaan (confirmed by Meddler) I can see her not buying that and going Liche Zhonyas Deathcap over those items. She will probably run Grasp or FleetF to not be murdered in lane, her Q seems easy to land, her E is on 8s cd on all ranks.
: Third and forth form are awful, and her new recall is incredibly generic. Another recall animation where a character's accessories turn into a vehicle. Her old recall animation was better, it felt heroic, as if she was preparing to Super-man jump. I also liked the original concept behind the skin too. Using technology to restore her wings that were lost. Now its just another generic space cop outfit. It feels like they did the bare-minimum.
I love the 3rd form, it feels glorious. But I dislike how the last one looks because the combination of black and copper is just awful
Xzq (EUNE)
: With all the changes Shaco feels like **** right now...
: I...I feel the sudden need to acquire Aether Wing Kayle Edit: did they add a visor? S@20 doesn’t show that. Is that why her eyes look pure black in the splash?
Glad I crafted it years ago, it's finally worth it. In PBE she has visor on 3rd and 4th form that is added to her face on the HUD aswell
: This is pretty badass, glad I got the shard a looong time ago. But like...they couldn't do something like this with MFs ultimate skin??? For fucksake.
It doesn't look like that cuz this is a smurf acc but I'm a MF main too and yes, GGMF is lackluster, it could've been greater and we got an "ok" skin. This skin reminds me so much to Pulsefire Ezreal evolutions.
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dTHMZuzf,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-20T18:25:40.105+0000) > > I wasn't sure about Guinsoo and Runaan but I'm glad that it wont work because it would also tie her builds so much since at least Guinsoo would be needed always. > > Dont get me wrong, I'm not saying that Kayle is going to be balanced I was just trying to get exactly why is she going to be problematic and if that can be fixed on a hard or easy way due to her design. > > I think that her ultimate will be nerfed because at max rank (in the gameplay video shown) it's 3 seconds of invulnerabilty and then that aoe dmg which I think it's too strong for engages but anyway we still dont know exactly how is her gameplay gonna be because no numbers are shown since she's still not on the PBE. yea, i can imagine her ult to be op on a malphite engage or something similar.
And checked it on PBE: her Q is a skillshot, you chose the direction and with a like 0.5s of delay the magic spear is throwed in that direction
: You call 38% in LCS, 49% overall, and only countering 2 champions bot lane...... Zoning? Her W doesn't even play a role in bot. The only success she has in bot at all, is if she gets a clear line Q. She has one of the lowest gold averages in Bot lane as well. Caitlyn and Jinx and Sivir zone stronger than she does.
What does her winrate has to do with how she zones lmao, that's non sense because that takes in count her pickrate and her overall strenght when I was just saying that she can zones really well. And I she's specially good with Caitlyn on her side dunno why you compare her zone against her when most games both are on the same team, like, if both toguether are abusive now imagine how would it be with Morgana having long aa range awsell. No thanks, wait, I'm a Caitlyn player, I should want that to happen so I can duoQ with my friend that plays Morgana, go ahead and buff her range.
Burgress (NA)
: What can i do as [Tryndamere top] to help my bottom lanes in (lane phase)
: A Compromise to make Morgana a little more viable, without actually making her OP
I dont know man she already zones anyone on botlane like a mother***er giving her more harash tools may not be the best idea
: I thought Lucian "strong because other ADCs suck"
And that's why he's getting a nerf tomorrow
: ........
We knew it was coming tho
: > [{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dTHMZuzf,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-02-20T17:48:58.839+0000) > > https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/es/c/developer-corner/QkwlXTpc-quick-gameplay-thoughts-february-20?comment=0003000000000000 > > Well it looks like Kayle true dmg wont be increased neither with {{item:3124}} or {{item:3085}} > > That 1% coming hot > > For the Q I'm still not sure if it's a skillshot or point and click but I'm aware that it's posible for her Q to be point and click which would be a mistake imo. > > I honestly think that you are downrating the impact that is that she can hit while casting ult because current Kayle on lategame still has 525 range and it's not like she deals more raw dps than Twitch Kog Maw for example that both have massive range, what makes it up is her ultimate to be actually able to be in range and deal the dps while it. > > With that gone on her ultimate will be *way* worse on a 1vs1 scenario than current Kayle, but her ultimate will be better on allies now. ill admit when im wrong, but its honestly surprising, because its not typical for riot to make these limitations. im still not convinced kayle being balanced soley around stats and her power curve is going to fix her current issue. if shes going to be a carry or even hypercarry late, then she has to be trash early on, since she doesnt have counterplay elements in her kit that she could be balanced around.
I wasn't sure about Guinsoo and Runaan but I'm glad that it wont work because it would also tie her builds so much since at least Guinsoo would be needed always. Dont get me wrong, I'm not saying that Kayle is going to be balanced I was just trying to get exactly why is she going to be problematic and if that can be fixed on a hard or easy way due to her design. I think that her ultimate will be nerfed because at max rank (in the gameplay video shown) it's 3 seconds of invulnerabilty and then that aoe dmg which I think it's too strong for engages but anyway we still dont know exactly how is her gameplay gonna be because no numbers are shown since she's still not on the PBE.
: Holy fuck yes change that garbage
Morde mains https://images.theconversation.com/files/222785/original/file-20180612-112602-1n6vzvh.jpg?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&q=45&auto=format&w=926&fit=clip Vayne mains Not wanting to show the 68712457 mastery points you guys have on your main
GreenKnight (EUNE)
: I'll still permaban her.
But she's cute, I cant wait to use my Aether Wing skin after cathing dust on my collection for a few years, give her a try.
Antenora (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Kaìju,realm=NA,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=QkwlXTpc,comment-id=00030000000000000001,timestamp=2019-02-20T17:43:02.122+0000) > > Can you let us in on her ranged attack range? It looks kinda short but I can't tell if that's just the set up or if it's because the waves reach past your target. Anything less than 525 is a nerf from current live Kayle.
My guess is 550 range and her melee form seemed to be similar to Irelia so I expect her to have a long-melee range.
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=vg1XJPVy,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-20T16:41:23.480+0000) > > The cold never bothered me anyway. > > (Actually irl I'm really chilly but to compensate I dont care about heat and Summer) Perhaps it's me being the Dane that I am, but I much prefer Winter and the chillyness compared to the warmth of Summer.
My father is from ~~Spain~~ Cataluña and my mother is from Brazil. I embrace the sun and heat. Hey I have a friend from ~~Spain~~ Galicia that has been living on Dinamarc for a few years.
: > [{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dTHMZuzf,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-02-20T15:17:17.455+0000) > > First: We dont know if new Kayle aa passive will be a on hit effect or an on atack effect (like Cait passive that you dont 2 get stacks with {{item:3124}} ) you can bet your ass, that phantom hits are going to work with it. shes an on hit champion now, and riot wouldnt change that with her rework. yes, we cant be 100% certain at this point, but its 99% likely. > Second: I think that her Q is an skillshot, but I'm not sure at all because the video is really vague on that aspect, since it being point and click and with a similar range would overlap her E I assume that Q it's a skillshot. if it was a skillshot theyd probably have shown the indicator like they did with other champions in the past. (it might be a skillshot, but currently it doesnt look like it) > Third: Not sure if you've noticed it but when she's casting R on herself or on an ally *she* *cant* *atack* and while I'm not 100% sure if it's like that it's a massive change because her bonkers lategame right now is that strong because she can have that dps and melt everyone while on her ultimate. her r not allowing her to attack during the duration doesnt change the other issues her kit has. right now shes balanced around kindof a broken power curve. not just because of her invulnerability, but the insane levels of damage she can output after a certain point in the game. she is literally like a ranged version of {{champion:11}} already at the moment. the only thing she lacks is his flat true damage. in return her early game is kept so shit, that its barely feasable for her to reach that point in the game. her rework doesnt seem to change that, but infact it looks like she deals even more damage than currently, which is pretty insane and i fear she will either be overtuned or just as bad as she is now, when shes balanced around that kind of lategame.
https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/es/c/developer-corner/QkwlXTpc-quick-gameplay-thoughts-february-20?comment=0003000000000000 Well it looks like Kayle true dmg wont be increased neither with {{item:3124}} or {{item:3085}} That 1% coming hot For the Q I'm still not sure if it's a skillshot or point and click but I'm aware that it's posible for her Q to be point and click which would be a mistake imo. I honestly think that you are downrating the impact that is that she can hit while casting ult because current Kayle on lategame still has 525 range and it's not like she deals more raw dps than Twitch Kog Maw for example that both have massive range, what makes it up is her ultimate to be actually able to be in range and deal the dps while it. With that gone on her ultimate will be *way* worse on a 1vs1 scenario than current Kayle, but her ultimate will be better on allies now.
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