CpgamerX (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Snowbrand,realm=EUW,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=wlGaL2WZ,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-04-12T17:21:59.751+0000) > > Same. The reworked ult is more interesting and it worries me with all the reverts lately. If the ult isn't good enough, don't revert it to something worse instead (there is usually a reason stuff gets reworked). Either keep it or make it better instead of just reverting it. It feels kinda lazy or populistic but maybe im wrong here? The same happened with for example rengar and le blanc. I guess rengar wasn't that big of a deal and I guess there was a lot of pressure from lb mains to revert her too(even though I liked the new more), but still feels bad when Riot reworks stuff for good reasons and then somehow reverts it. why not a combination of old and new? Zac can bounce around and Pick up enemies if he lands on them and then on the last bounce (or if you end it early, tap r again) drop them together, and each bounce does dmg, maybe like 3 bounce rank 1 R, rank 2 R 4 and 5 bounces on max rank R. this just combines both. you can basically "collect" the enemy team instead of tryin to do it in one shot via E R or E Q R and if you R second time during the ult you can end it earlier.
> [{quoted}](name=CpgamerX,realm=EUW,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=wlGaL2WZ,comment-id=000300000003,timestamp=2019-04-12T22:49:14.764+0000) > > why not a combination of old and new? Zac can bounce around and Pick up enemies if he lands on them and then on the last bounce (or if you end it early, tap r again) drop them together, and each bounce does dmg, maybe like 3 bounce rank 1 R, rank 2 R 4 and 5 bounces on max rank R. this just combines both. you can basically "collect" the enemy team instead of tryin to do it in one shot via E R or E Q R and if you R second time during the ult you can end it earlier. Yea that's a better solution then just reverting it as usual. That sounds pretty good tbh
DamSon369 (EUNE)
: I am worried about Zac possible ult revert. I like current ult because it's like Orianna's ult: it brings enemies together for some spicy combos. Old ult was too chaotic in my opinion, tossing enemies around the battlefield like there is no tomorrow.
> [{quoted}](name=DamSon369,realm=EUNE,application-id=A7LBtoKc,discussion-id=wlGaL2WZ,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-04-12T17:08:07.351+0000) > > I am worried about Zac possible ult revert. I like current ult because it's like Orianna's ult: it brings enemies together for some spicy combos. Old ult was too chaotic in my opinion, tossing enemies around the battlefield like there is no tomorrow. Same. The reworked ult is more interesting and it worries me with all the reverts lately. If the ult isn't good enough, don't revert it to something worse instead (there is usually a reason stuff gets reworked). Either keep it or make it better instead of just reverting it. It feels kinda lazy or populistic but maybe im wrong here? The same happened with for example rengar and le blanc. I guess rengar wasn't that big of a deal and I guess there was a lot of pressure from lb mains to revert her too(even though I liked the new more), but still feels bad when Riot reworks stuff for good reasons and then somehow reverts it.
Rioter Comments
94372148 (NA)
: Why does Pyke need three forms of CC as a highly mobile assassin with a resetting true damage ult?
You could describe any champion like that and make it sound broken... Pyke is a bit on the op side, but there are supports that do more dmg like mage supports and others that do other stuff better.
: > [{quoted}](name=Snowbrand,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ltN0xEoU,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-03-27T07:00:01.692+0000) > > You rush it to get Q evolve faster, it's the main build on op.gg and you are just ignorant of the meta. I'm a bit tired when people just say that stuff like that works in high elo because they are challenger. No shit bro, sometimes it might be true but usually I play against players the same level as me and therefore if it's meta it's gonna work. But in this case, it's just the new normal build on kaisa. If you can't adapt to the situation, popularity or meta means jack shit.
> [{quoted}](name=Craft Zeppelin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ltN0xEoU,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2019-03-27T07:48:52.331+0000) > > If you can't adapt to the situation, popularity or meta means jack shit. Yea, but that's not what I said
: PSA: Low elo players need to stop copying pros
You rush it to get Q evolve faster, it's the main build on op.gg and you are just ignorant of the meta. I'm a bit tired when people just say that stuff like that works in high elo because they are challenger. No shit bro, sometimes it might be true but usually I play against players the same level as me and therefore if it's meta it's gonna work. But in this case, it's just the new normal build on kaisa.
: > [{quoted}](name=Snowbrand,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=AfbcxfWl,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-03-25T11:59:27.012+0000) > > Yep, his model looks very 2009. Maybe they should give him the Ezreal treatment. Mostly Visual update. Ehh, I dunno. He could some a little more streamlining of his kit, I find it to be kind of awkward, even if it's technically functional. But definitely agree on his overall look. He doesn't look like a prince in any respect of the word (he looks super old), and his armor is just atrocious and nowhere near how Demacian armor looks.
> [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=AfbcxfWl,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-03-25T18:41:44.567+0000) > > Ehh, I dunno. He could some a little more streamlining of his kit, I find it to be kind of awkward, even if it's technically functional. > > But definitely agree on his overall look. He doesn't look like a prince in any respect of the word (he looks super old), and his armor is just atrocious and nowhere near how Demacian armor looks. Well, I would change his gameplay too if I could but there are other champions waiting for a VGU tho. Agree that it's kinda awkward and I think a bit boring. There are many champions like that though
: Jarvan needs more than a new walking animation, he needs a visual rework.
> [{quoted}](name=Tesla Effect,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=AfbcxfWl,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-25T10:04:20.515+0000) > > Jarvan needs more than a new walking animation, he needs a visual rework. Yep, his model looks very 2009. Maybe they should give him the Ezreal treatment. Mostly Visual update.
: Elixir of Skill gives Kayle early passive.
Yea, I was wondering how it worked? I thought her passive was locked to her level not her skill points?
: When riot when the fuck are you going rework zilean and removed his bs ult
Well, we need something that can counter yi, so I'm not sad xd but he would need a VGU sooner or later tho
BVANG (NA)
: FIORA'S ULTIMATE VS KAYLE's ULTIMATE ( NO COUNTER )
Just played this today and realised my ult didn't proc....
: Kayle
You are a noob or how did you lose to a kayle? She is kinda weak atm I think
: Why i cant leave from silver
I play broken/ op champions like yorick, singed, nasus, ornn and stuff like that to get out of silver and I try to not play too many champions.
: You can not get out of bronze solo
I was bronze 2 seasons ago, I got better and managed to get silver.
: I don´t get this obsession with turning everything into a skillshot. Zilean has already a lot of room for error in his QWQ combo and his E is usually used as a combo starter. Adding another layer of unreliability onto it just benefits highly mobile champs who have it already way to easy.
> [{quoted}](name=Dorans Pants,realm=EUW,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=Aa9GUHq1,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-03-17T17:24:40.245+0000) > > I don´t get this obsession with turning everything into a skillshot. Zilean has already a lot of room for error in his QWQ combo and his E is usually used as a combo starter. Adding another layer of unreliability onto it just benefits highly mobile champs who have it already way to easy. Skillshots are good for the game, I prefer getting outplayed instead of outstated. Now, Riot is making a good job with reworks and use more skillshots in the reworks so I'm happy about that. Tbf, Zilean ate least have one skillshot, not every champ have that. But one skillshot isn't a lot tho
: wiki shows her as burst mage and so is Leblanc
> [{quoted}](name=UrFieryDoom,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dl1fhXdt,comment-id=0001000000010000,timestamp=2019-03-17T13:41:27.908+0000) > > wiki shows her as burst mage and so is Leblanc Well, she more or less play as an assassin
: Zilean rework idea.
Agree that he needs a VGU. His visuals are really bad tbh. His kit is also too simple and outdated. Like the passive and overleveling. Makes him unique. Change his e to somethinge more then just a slow/speed up. It's too generic atm and make it a skillshot somehow. Maybe add something to his q too?
: Good job you're complaining about an ultimate. You know what i think ahri shouldnt get 3 free flashes that do half my hp. I also think getting lasered from half a lane away for 70% of my hp is not healthy(lux) GJ FOR USING HIS SINGLE TARGET ULT AS A PROBLEM noc with just qwe cant do much against an adc this is facts.
> [{quoted}](name=UrFieryDoom,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dl1fhXdt,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-03-17T11:27:29.406+0000) > > Good job you're complaining about an ultimate. You know what i think ahri shouldnt get 3 free flashes that do half my hp. I also think getting lasered from half a lane away for 70% of my hp is not healthy(lux) > GJ FOR USING HIS SINGLE TARGET ULT AS A PROBLEM > noc with just qwe cant do much against an adc this is facts. You just compared a targeted nuke with two dodgable outplayable ults (and no, I don't main adc). Yea, then change how his QWE works instead and make his ult some kind of skillshot. Many assassins need more counterplay. Akali and kayn are good examples of champions that you can outplay, but if you don't you die. EDIT: and Ahri is an assassin too so I don't get your point about her anyway?
: > [{quoted}](name=Snowbrand,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=h0zh091M,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-02-08T23:17:23.469+0000) > > I'm a Urgot main, so I'm still hoping for buffs next patch if I'm lucky you are fucking r%%%%%ed if you think that urgot is gonna get buffed next patch
> [{quoted}](name=reddragonflames,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=h0zh091M,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2019-03-14T23:23:23.661+0000) > > you are fucking r%%%%%ed if you think that urgot is gonna get buffed next patch Looks like I was right tho. Infinite uptime on W incoming XD lol
: To me, in a game with 100+ characters, you can't tell me you can't find at least one or two mains per role? Like come on... Top: Kayle, Aatrox (cause I love him) Mid: Galio, Xerath Jungle: Vi, J4 Bot: Ezreal, Ashe Support: Xerath, Leona, Kayle I've got some overlap, and can flex these in different spots.
> [{quoted}](name=Mavëríck,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FM6r9Mdc,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-14T19:30:17.547+0000) > > To me, in a game with 100+ characters, you can't tell me you can't find at least one or two mains per role? Like come on... > > Top: Kayle, Aatrox (cause I love him) > > Mid: Galio, Xerath > > Jungle: Vi, J4 > > Bot: Ezreal, Ashe > > Support: Xerath, Leona, Kayle > > > I've got some overlap, and can flex these in different spots. Yea, but I don't only play ranked for climbing but for the challenge. I like both. Now I can't rank up my other roles anymore and play stuff like Zed in ranked, because I don't want to lose my highest rank (playing Zed in normals isn't the same, there is no challenger in that). Positional ranking sounded so fun and they could make it work if people just had some patience. I wish at least EUW could have it...
: In context he clearly isn't saying he intentionally makes things frustrating. You literally hacked off half his words. He said he knows his job means he creates things that are going to be frustrating to play against. That describes all champions to some extent even if his champions are arguably more frustrating. He never stated that as his goal, he correctly points out that its normal. I'm not even a big fan of CT but quit being intellectually dishonest if you want to sway anyone's opinion.
> [{quoted}](name=TwitchInMyPants,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=MNLEpNOq,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-14T19:22:23.789+0000) > > In context he clearly isn't saying he intentionally makes things frustrating. You literally hacked off half his words. He said he knows his job means he creates things that are going to be frustrating to play against. That describes all champions to some extent even if his champions are arguably more frustrating. He never stated that as his goal, he correctly points out that its normal. > > I'm not even a big fan of CT but quit being intellectually dishonest if you want to sway anyone's opinion. Good point!
Quáx (NA)
: Will Clash Ever Actually Work?
It's called Crash for a reason... Idk, hope they can fix it along with positional ranked. The two things I've been looking forward to the most the last year. Both failed. But tbh, I hope and think Clash can work half way through this year, because it sounded like the last tests with EUW was promising, but if it isn't here in 3-4 month it's probably gonna take another year or two to fix it
: I'd be cooler with judgement Kayle being rerelease over silver Kayle You had to buy a physical copy of league to get silver Kayle, so thats pretty special Judgement was just play a few ranked games
> [{quoted}](name=Jimmy Rustles,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=BOlVeh5t,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-03-12T17:25:29.584+0000) > > I'd be cooler with judgement Kayle being rerelease over silver Kayle > > You had to buy a physical copy of league to get silver Kayle, so thats pretty special > > Judgement was just play a few ranked games Then sell the physical copy again maybe? Could be an idea maybe?
: Can Riot please sell Silver Kayle?
: position ranks ending? why?
I agree, wanted position ranked too. So sad....
: NO MORE POSITIONAL RANKING WE DID IT !!!
I was so excited to be a ble to play more roles in ranked and not having to play only top for ranked... so sad they just can't fix it instead.
: > [{quoted}](name=General Matty,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8MEEgxTX,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-03-07T22:28:36.575+0000) > > Malicious Metal said Mordes rework is fun so have faith Fun =/= Good for the game. I'm tired of letting shit designs like Nunu and Warwick slide. Just because those designs aren't as blatantly unfun as Kayle's doesn't mean they're much better. Champion releases should be *good* just as much as they should be *fun.* I'm tired of useless champions that can only be seen as "decent" when you blow their numbers way out the water.
> [{quoted}](name=chipndip1,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8MEEgxTX,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-03-07T22:36:57.195+0000) > > Fun =/= Good for the game. I'm tired of letting shit designs like Nunu and Warwick slide. Just because those designs aren't as blatantly unfun as Kayle's doesn't mean they're much better. > > Champion releases should be *good* just as much as they should be *fun.* I'm tired of useless champions that can only be seen as "decent" when you blow their numbers way out the water. You call Wwarwick a shit design? It's probably one of the best reworks done by Riot, all categories ever. Nunu was also one of the better reworks done by Riot, maybe except for keeping his ult kinda the same.
: Not even close. Old Kayle and new Kayle are completely different champions. Putting a dress on a pig doesn't make it a woman, just a pig with a dress.
> [{quoted}](name=FioraWillCarry,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8MEEgxTX,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-03-07T21:44:14.441+0000) > > Not even close. Old Kayle and new Kayle are completely different champions. Putting a dress on a pig doesn't make it a woman, just a pig with a dress. Compare her with reworked Urgot, Aatrox, Akali, Irelia or maybe even nunu and tell me they are closer to their old champions then the reworked ones. Morgana would of course be closer to her old identity and maybe there is some one else, but except from that she in** identity** then most of the other reworked champions. Doesn't mean she is like her old identity, but I still think it's pretty close. Her core stayed intact. Hybrid melee/ranged aa reliant champion that kept most of her Q, W and R abilities. Sounds pretty close too me. The big thing that changed was her passive, which is still true to her melee/ranged hybrid fantasy.
: All these dudes bitching about Kayle's rework...why?
Yea. Reworked Kayle is very close to the old Kayle compared with many other reworks tho. Her ult is pretty much the same, W too and Q. All with just some few tweaks tho. Just her e and passive is kinda different.
: Am I the only one slightly disappointed that they didn't try to really rework Morgana?
Yea, I was kinda disappointed that they didn't update her W and passive. Her Q is fine and her E is a very unique ability. I also feel like they could've done more with her ult. It still feels a little bad on a mage to go all in like that without haveing anything else to save u then ur E because she is a squishy target. Maybe they think its enough to buy zhonyas for it tho idk. I'm also disappointed with Kayles ingame skin models. A few are good enough I guess, but a lot liks kinda bad or unfinished like Silver Kayle.
Moody P (NA)
: Every day I pray Certainly T reworks Volibear
: Warm-Take On New Ranking System (rant warning)
Idk, I hope the make positional ranked work. I wish I could rank in all the roles and not just one.
Doombot (EUW)
: You gotta admit that match making is pretty well done...
Lol, normals are by natur unbalancable. I sometimes play champions first time there or sometimes my lvl 7 zed. So same games i stomp and some games i feed bcz of that. That's just how normals work. Ranked should be different though
: > [{quoted}](name=Frosted Tips,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YqQHdGJQ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-03T02:58:20.247+0000) > > They said she was getting over nerfed until they figured out what would make her less frustrating to face. On PBE there are multiple buffs that seem to be a good way to bring her up without making her super frustrating to face. Honestly she wasnt. So many people rely on targetting abilities which is why she SEEMS hard to face.... but she wasnt much of a problem. Skill shot based champions like Ziggs and Xerath made her life rough. People are so used to literal point and click stuff that they never know how to play against anything that counteracts point and click.
> [{quoted}](name=Silly Neeko,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=YqQHdGJQ,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-03-03T03:11:04.315+0000) > > Honestly she wasnt. So many people rely on targetting abilities which is why she SEEMS hard to face.... but she wasnt much of a problem. > > Skill shot based champions like Ziggs and Xerath made her life rough. People are so used to literal point and click stuff that they never know how to play against anything that counteracts point and click. Yea, that's a good point. Also, there is a lot of counterplay, like just walking away from the shroud or stuff like that, but no one bothered to learn how to play against her.
Rioter Comments
JuiceBoxP (EUNE)
: Because the game needs to be uniform
> [{quoted}](name=JuiceBoxP,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IF2Gn5tT,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-02T12:51:32.207+0000) > > Because the game needs to be uniform Well, it shouldn't have to be like that tho...
: Oh you think you do but you don't... you really don't... You know how people used to say Elo Hell, it actually exists right now and its all elos.
> [{quoted}](name=Malix Farwin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IF2Gn5tT,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-03-02T13:49:37.580+0000) > > Oh you think you do but you don't... you really don't... > > You know how people used to say Elo Hell, it actually exists right now and its all elos. I would guess it's mostly a new season. When more people climb to their real elo, it probably won't feel to bad. But everyone is too impatient, it's only been a month and it takes time to climb. Hopefully in a couple of weeks or so, things is gonna be much better.
: the only reason NA and KR even have it is because riot said themselves both are leaps and bounds better in competition compared to the other regions, and lots more people to actually play test it on. therefore to put it simply, we're testing dummies. but trust me when i tell you, you DONT want this travesty the way it is now. also you guys should have it by the second split
> [{quoted}](name=FOR JUSTICE,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IF2Gn5tT,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-02T16:14:02.541+0000) > > the only reason NA and KR even have it is because riot said themselves both are leaps and bounds better in competition compared to the other regions, and lots more people to actually play test it on. > > therefore to put it simply, we're testing dummies. but trust me when i tell you, you DONT want this travesty the way it is now. also you guys should have it by the second split Well, to me the issues should be easier fixes then dynamic que for example. And if they can fix it, it would be much more fun and better then the old system where you can only play one role for ranked.
Zed genius (EUNE)
: Why do EUW players have a superiority complex? There are like another 8 regions that will get it forced into them but EUW deserves playtest?
> [{quoted}](name=Zed genius,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IF2Gn5tT,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-02T11:57:39.918+0000) > > Why do EUW players have a superiority complex? There are like another 8 regions that will get it forced into them but EUW deserves playtest? I'm not sure what you mean? NA and Korea can go back to the old system if they want, but why can't EUW have they new system if that's what we want?
Rioter Comments
Riot Jag (NA)
: Teemo changes temporarily on PBE for early feedback
I like most of this. It sounds good, but there are a couple of things I would like to change or like to see adressed. {{champion:17}} s blind has always been problematic. it takes away the opponents major and sometimes only dmg source. So there is either two things I would like to see in a Teemo rework for his Q; Either change it to the {{champion:133}} version where you get nearsighted and minions disarmed OR make it a skillshot, but I think {{champion:133}} version is superior both for counterplay and balance. You can still attack, but it's much harder because of the nearsight. Also, I suppose his W will feel a bit better after the changes to his camoflauge, but it still feels like the ms doesn't really do much anyway. Maybe make it to a dash or something or change it to a totally new ability that gives him some kind of defens or cc of some kind. The shroom change sounds fair and nice, I like it. It still preserves one of Teemos core abilities, but makes it sometimes better, but at the same time harder to use right. Higher risk, but higher reward. I think there is a lot of unexplored things that could be improve his shrooms a lot tho. Like maybe, if he is fully stacked it becomes a supermushroom, giving it extra range, aoe and harder to take down (or spreading poison in an area around it so that you take dmg if you wants to destroy it) or something like that or as an alternative instead, if you step on one mushroom it starts a chain reaction for mushrooms in a certain radius making it possible to create new forms of traps and strategies? Maybe these are bad ideas idk but I think they could show promising, but it feels like there is a lot that you could come up with to make his ult much better, interesting and strategical. Right now Teemo just have to hope that he is lucky enough for someone to step on it. EDIT: Also about his E and camoflaugh, maybe make it so he is still get stealthed in the bush, but not outside of it? But it's not that big for me tho. And last but not least, can we have a VU because his model is showing it's age? But I guess this update is only gameplaywise from what I can read.
RJay123 (NA)
: Unpopular Opinion: Good and Evil are not relative @Riot
Well, it all depends on your worldview as you say :) Runterras worldview is a sort of dualistic taoism or eastern mysticism. There morality becomes relative. A teistic worldview would argue that God is the objective standard for what good is. So, if for example we lived in a world where the nazis had taken over, their morality would still be objectively bad, even if the people there believed they were right or if the values and ethics changed, there would still be an objectivly good or bad morality even if people believed differently. A secular or naturalistic worldview would instead say that again, morality just depends on the society so you can't really say what's good and bad because it's relative, because the material world is all there is, and then nietsche would be kinda right. So I agree with you that: " We're not living in some Nietzschian hell hole where nothing matters".
: My problem is that the in-game model for Silver Kayle (at least currently) is so different, inferior, compared with how amazing the splash is. No coat, dumb sword, and so on. I hope they re-release it somehow, but why buy it or use it at all if the in-game model sucks?
> [{quoted}](name=Kalon Ordona II,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=bydgHTbt,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2019-02-21T17:08:59.818+0000) > > My problem is that the in-game model for Silver Kayle (at least currently) is so different, inferior, compared with how amazing the splash is. No coat, dumb sword, and so on. I hope they re-release it somehow, but why buy it or use it at all if the in-game model sucks? Yea I just saw the in-game model. It's a sahem it's not even close to the splash art. Aether wing is probably the best looking in game.
FFrazien (EUW)
: Can we revert Akali?
It's 44-45 % atm https://euw.op.gg/champion/akali/statistics/top . So not good, but still not as bad as 41 %. They are gonna buff her on 9.5 so we just have to wait and see
: Sadly its the fact that limited skins never got released again, and i think this one is living in its own world.
> [{quoted}](name=The Exceed,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=bydgHTbt,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-20T13:04:27.276+0000) > > Sadly its the fact that limited skins never got released again, and i think this one is living in its own world. But what about championship riven and neo pax sivir?
Hexwater (EUNE)
: [Offtopic Rant] Releasing all-exclusive skins, that are low in their quality, beyond their original customisation (recolor, retexture) and updating them as the game progresses, is just unfair. To avoid that, in my opinion, a pre-order/playing beta reward should be something like an icon, a border/unique theme for a profile, a highlighted nickname, a title...something small, rather unupdateable, yet, significant enough to show to other players, that you're playing since the beginning. Not many of you may know, but there is an MMO out there, Forsaken World, that rewarded their beta players with "Worldshaper" title. Small? Yes. Significant? Very. You walk among the players with that title, and everyone knows, that you were playing beta. In Guild Wars 2, you can get unique customisation skins, if you have achievments in the first Guild Wars. It's in your reach, but you must play the first game. Also, in Guild Wars 2, you get anniversary rewards (that are also skins). The fun starts after playing 4 years, where you get a unique backpach for your character. As the game goes on, more rewards are added.
> [{quoted}](name=Hexwater,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=bydgHTbt,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-02-20T11:46:35.407+0000) > > [Offtopic Rant] > > Releasing all-exclusive skins, that are low in their quality, beyond their original customisation (recolor, retexture) and updating them as the game progresses, is just unfair. > > To avoid that, in my opinion, a pre-order/playing beta reward should be something like an icon, a border/unique theme for a profile, a highlighted nickname, a title...something small, rather unupdateable, yet, significant enough to show to other players, that you're playing since the beginning. > > Not many of you may know, but there is an MMO out there, Forsaken World, that rewarded their beta players with "Worldshaper" title. Small? Yes. Significant? Very. You walk among the players with that title, and everyone knows, that you were playing beta. > > In Guild Wars 2, you can get unique customisation skins, if you have achievments in the first Guild Wars. It's in your reach, but you must play the first game. > Also, in Guild Wars 2, you get anniversary rewards (that are also skins). The fun starts after playing 4 years, where you get a unique backpach for your character. As the game goes on, more rewards are added. Yea, good idea!
Hexwater (EUNE)
: It would be unfair if everyone was given those skins. Someone showed their support to Riot at the early stage, and they still must be rewarded. Less than 1% of the community (according to UnrankedSmurfs) has Silver Kayle, which is just a recolor. What is also unfair, that after relaunch/visual update of a champion, quality of those skins skydrappers. And still, it's beyond the reach of people who just didn't made it in time to get them, nor never had a chance to do so. Let's be honest, pre-rework Silver Kayle is just a recolor of the original Kayle, without any special effects, and most of Kayle players (I assume) we'rent even bothered by it. I think, the solution to this problem, would be giving an exlusive border for the skin + exclusive icon matching the skin, and release the exlusive skin for a some time after the rework/relaunch for everyone. This way, pre-order players would show their dedication regardless of the champion they are playing (and a way to be distingquished from those who purchased Silver Kayle after her relaunch), and those who didn't make it in time, will get another chance to get the skin, since its not just a recolor anymore after the relaunch. Because, honsetly, noone is a psychic; if I knew, years back, that Kayle will get a relaunch, the graphics of this game will get better, and Riot will add new effects to the skin, I would pre-order LoL. Same goes for Young Ryze. If I knew he would turn from a recolored zombie-like Ryze to a daddy, I would do everything to get my hands on him.
> [{quoted}](name=Hexwater,realm=EUNE,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=bydgHTbt,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-02-20T10:58:23.322+0000) > > It would be unfair if everyone was given those skins. Someone showed their support to Riot at the early stage, and they still must be rewarded. Less than 1% of the community (according to UnrankedSmurfs) has Silver Kayle, which is just a recolor. > > What is also unfair, that after relaunch/visual update of a champion, quality of those skins skydrappers. And still, it's beyond the reach of people who just didn't made it in time to get them, nor never had a chance to do so. > Let's be honest, pre-rework Silver Kayle is just a recolor of the original Kayle, without any special effects, and most of Kayle players (I assume) we'rent even bothered by it. > > I think, the solution to this problem, would be giving an exlusive border for the skin + exclusive icon matching the skin, and release the exlusive skin for a some time after the rework/relaunch for everyone. > > This way, pre-order players would show their dedication regardless of the champion they are playing (and a way to be distingquished from those who purchased Silver Kayle after her relaunch), and those who didn't make it in time, will get another chance to get the skin, since its not just a recolor anymore after the relaunch. > > > Because, honsetly, noone is a psychic; if I knew, years back, that Kayle will get a relaunch, the graphics of this game will get better, and Riot will add new effects to the skin, I would pre-order LoL. > Same goes for Young Ryze. If I knew he would turn from a recolored zombie-like Ryze to a daddy, I would do everything to get my hands on him. Yea, I like your idea! Because I didn't play the game back then, so I had no chance to get it or to know they would update her skin to this. I think what you say makes sense and is fair to both old and new players.
NA Ghost (NA)
: Judgement kayle was a gift to season 1 players. skins like that should never be re released. I don't own any pax skins because i didnt go to pax. i have no right to those gifts. they were never purchasable. but for the early physical copy skins. I find it rubbish that riot will not re-release them. While they were boasting about how free this game was they tried to sell physical copies at the same time. there was never a stipulation set that those skins were limited. they just decided to do that once they grew a name. which I find very unfair to us season 1 players who did not purchase a physical copy of the game before the decision was made to take it off the market and vault the skins. the only kayle skin I do not own is silver kayle and as a season 1 kayle main it hurts. PLS RIOT RE-RELEASE SILVER KAYLE!!! 50usd and I'd still buy it. even if the re release is limited. I just want an honest chance to complete my collection.
> [{quoted}](name=NA Ghost,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=bydgHTbt,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-02-20T00:50:43.784+0000) > > Judgement kayle was a gift to season 1 players. skins like that should never be re released. I don't own any pax skins because i didnt go to pax. i have no right to those gifts. they were never purchasable. but for the early physical copy skins. I find it rubbish that riot will not re-release them. While they were boasting about how free this game was they tried to sell physical copies at the same time. there was never a stipulation set that those skins were limited. they just decided to do that once they grew a name. which I find very unfair to us season 1 players who did not purchase a physical copy of the game before the decision was made to take it off the market and vault the skins. the only kayle skin I do not own is silver kayle and as a season 1 kayle main it hurts. PLS RIOT RE-RELEASE SILVER KAYLE!!! 50usd and I'd still buy it. even if the re release is limited. I just want an honest chance to complete my collection. Yea, 50 usd would almost be worth it lol. I hope they do realeas it, even if it's just for a short time
: As someone who personally owns King Rammus, Black Alistar & Silver Kayle.. I would be a little disappointed if they released these prestigious skins to the public once more. My sister collects rare trinkets and bobbles as a hobby, and she would be devastated if years of work were lost if everything was reproduced and the value of her collection dropped. I can sympathize with those who never had a chance to get these skins or only recently took interest in League of Legends, but there is a fairness to both sides.
> [{quoted}](name=Jeanne DˇArc,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=bydgHTbt,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-02-19T23:41:14.372+0000) > > As someone who personally owns King Rammus, Black Alistar & Silver Kayle.. I would be a little disappointed if they released these prestigious skins to the public once more. My sister collects rare trinkets and bobbles as a hobby, and she would be devastated if years of work were lost if everything was reproduced and the value of her collection dropped. I can sympathize with those who never had a chance to get these skins or only recently took interest in League of Legends, but there is a fairness to both sides. Idk, they could maybe get some exclusives like a border, an exclusive chroma and other stuff that can compensate. Just feel like it would be such a shame if this skin was never officially released, because it looks sick lol. They could make it hard to obtain like the prestigious skins or costing gemstones or something.
: So glad that Silver Kayle got some work done to it, there was never a reason to choose it w/ how cool Judgement looked. Speaking as a fellow Silver Kayle owner, pure-exclusives are BS and I hate them in all games, would prefer something like Urfwick where it is easy to obtain for a short amount of time, becomes incredibly expensive/hard to obtain afterwards. Hopefully skins like Silver Kayle will be something like "3 Hextech Gems + X Skin Shards"
> [{quoted}](name=Glaricion,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=bydgHTbt,comment-id=00030001,timestamp=2019-02-19T23:23:00.700+0000) > > So glad that Silver Kayle got some work done to it, there was never a reason to choose it w/ how cool Judgement looked. > > Speaking as a fellow Silver Kayle owner, pure-exclusives are BS and I hate them in all games, would prefer something like Urfwick where it is easy to obtain for a short amount of time, becomes incredibly expensive/hard to obtain afterwards. > > Hopefully skins like Silver Kayle will be something like "3 Hextech Gems + X Skin Shards" Yea, I don't mind it if it's hard to get, but I hope there will be a way to get it somehow even if you have to pay gemstones for it^^
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