EliFrost (NA)
: > Nobody here is proplay and nobody cares about that shit. Yes...we DO care about that shit. If something is OP in proplay, there's a good chance Riot will gut it, negatively affecting SoloQ. Look at Akali, Kallista, and Ryze.{{sticker:zombie-brand-mindblown}}
How are they going to gut it, when its never see's play in bloody solo q? I don't think i've seen trundle in a diamond game in months.
: Freeze the wave so it's on your side of the lane. Make him come to you. Make it so all he can do is Q harass you. If he walks up, he takes tower shots (which deal % health). If the enemy minion wave gets too big, and they're threatening a dive, try to bait Kench to ult behind you, then stay in front of your tower. If he doesn't ult, then try to dash away if possible, then TP or Shen ult away to another lane (the Shen ult only applies if playing Shen obviously). Kench Q doesn't cancel TPs, he'd have to dive you with jungler, and if jungler has no CC, then you're safe. So what if they get alone time with your tower? You can help whoever you TPed to.
Where talking diamond players here, what do you think they are stupid? What you're point out does nothing in a real game, go test to for your self on any above plat and have fun. Being forced to play a certain champ just stand in a chance in lane, only shows the champion is broken as fuck. Just like when victor was being abused top, you're failing to understand how hard it is to play vs champ with several cc's and slows. Once he's go his combo on you you're not walking out alive, you'll be dead before you get through his hp second shield.
Midg3t (EUNE)
: You literally won a trade lmao After the fight he was left with 100 hp and youre on 300...and you have W for healing. How is that lost trade?
I cut the video short, but when i backed of his q hit me taking me down to 100hp. Then he manged to get me with another q through a minion, as you know, tahm has one broken q hit box. Also its not a won trade, when a full hp mord, loses 80% of his hp to a tahm with under half hp.
: Then focus on kiting him more? Maybe it's just a lane where you have to clear waves back and forth, and get advantages for your team in other ways; hence why I suggest Shen since he's so useful with ult plus teleport, yet still can take small trades with Kench (if he's not freezing the wave, which Shens normally tend to want to do pre-6 to tempt their junglers into coming to assist them. Oh, if you're tempting your jungler to come and assist you, then that means Kench either has to back off or risk getting ganked! There's another strategy for dealing with him. Treat him like you would a Darius: don't fight unless he's isolated, and whatever advantage you think you have, you have double that just to make sure.
Kitting him? Do you understand what that champs abilities do? You dodge his q then he walks up and eats you're ass with 3 auto's and you're fucked, because then its followed by the q spam and the instant rest on his passive, how do you kite a guy with several slow's who just run past your minion wave and suffer no draw backs. I know very well how to play vs him but it get's to the point where it doesn't matter what i do, he's gonna get so tanky i lose every fight. Helpful advice, not advice you would give 2 some starter.
: A). Blasting Wand doesn't do much in lane by itself. Have you tried hextech revolver for the sustain? B). Kench does insanely well versus melee juggernauts, Mordekaiser, Darius, Tryndamere, etc. He's taking a respectable amount of damage from you. If you really want to mess up his day as a sustained damage juggernaut, play Trundle and don't all-in him until level 6. Kench dies super quick to concentrated burst (there was an LCS game recently, with Golden Guardians I believe?, where either Smoothie or Biofrost's Kench got lit up like a Christmas tree by a Lux/Caitlyn around level 5-7. EDIT: Just thought of Shen. Shen could actually trade with a Kench pretty decently maybe? They're both sunfire users, so that's kind of awkward, but Shen seems like he can tolerate some of Kench's existence. C). His model is big and easy to hit with skillshots. Just try different approaches to either bully or burst him. Jayce perhaps? Quinn? Riven has potential if you get ganks with all her animation cancelling BS. Fiora can just riposte his predictable stuns (and cut him down with her weird true damage/% HP damage thing).
I'm a diamond player, losing to to golds. Tahm is broken as fuck, we all know it. The dude pick rate is 62% in p+! I've tried serveral champs vs him and non have worked because he just walks into my face tanks all my damage, then kills me because he has lower cd and does a billion damage. He's like bloody aatrox before they nerfed him.
: Yeeeeah. This ain't right.
I don't mind a fair match up, but there is no skill what so ever in this clip. He tanks everything i through at him, with an item lead and i still loss.
Rioter Comments
Nea104 (EUW)
: Matchmaking is broken not just for Blind mode. Normals are nearly always one-sided, especially through win-streaks and lose-streaks (even 5-10 at a time). And Riot is doing nothing about it, so it's intentional :/
> [{quoted}](name=Nea104,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=X8a3L7ZR,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2019-06-16T14:07:55.933+0000) > > Matchmaking is broken not just for Blind mode. > > Normals are nearly always one-sided, especially through win-streaks and lose-streaks (even 5-10 at a time). > And Riot is doing nothing about it, so it's intentional :/ I know match making is broken, but blind is c**er, dude you've got D4-D1 going against silvers and golds. Its stupid.
: > [{quoted}](name=Son of spartar,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=X8a3L7ZR,comment-id=000400000000000000000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-06-15T18:15:49.228+0000) > > I'm also not allowed to show name's on the boards, its against TOS. You aren't allowed to "name and shame", just linking a game is totally fine, LOL.
> [{quoted}](name=SAILOR SATANA,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=X8a3L7ZR,comment-id=0004000000000000000000000000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-06-15T18:17:59.915+0000) > > You aren't allowed to "name and shame", just linking a game is totally fine, LOL. Yes this thread is highlighting how bad normal's are in terms of match making, you can check the op.gg for the info. I won't be posting other peoples names.
: > [{quoted}](name=Son of spartar,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=X8a3L7ZR,comment-id=0004000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-15T18:06:38.497+0000) > > Your post is... ...ten time more informative than your 12 yo babyrage and your "interesting" screen. I tried to explain how the system works (cause you clearly don't have any clue), I tried to reason with you: my mistake, I didn't realize you were just a kid coming here with the "TELL ME I AM 100% RIGHT OR YOU ARE RANTING" attitude. PS Your level is "yeah check my op gg if you wanna more info"...when you covered EVERY names in the screen. Lol.
> [{quoted}](name=SAILOR SATANA,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=X8a3L7ZR,comment-id=00040000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-15T18:10:34.451+0000) > > ...ten time more informative than your 12 yo babyrage and your "interesting" screen. > I tried to explain how the system works (cause you clearly don't have any clue), I tried to reason with you: my mistake, I didn't realize you were just a kid coming here with the "TELL ME I AM 100% RIGHT OR YOU ARE RANTING" attitude. > > PS Your level is "yeah check my op gg if you wanna more info"...when you covered EVERY names in the screen. > Lol. I'm also not allowed to show name's on the boards, its against TOS. Holy hell. https://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=Gashru1
: > [{quoted}](name=Son of spartar,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=X8a3L7ZR,comment-id=0004000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-15T18:06:38.497+0000) > > Your post is... ...ten time more informative than your 12 yo babyrage and your "interesting" screen. I tried to explain how the system works (cause you clearly don't have any clue), I tried to reason with you: my mistake, I didn't realize you were just a kid coming here with the "TELL ME I AM 100% RIGHT OR YOU ARE RANTING" attitude. PS Your level is "yeah check my op gg if you wanna more info"...when you covered EVERY names in the screen. Lol.
> [{quoted}](name=SAILOR SATANA,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=X8a3L7ZR,comment-id=00040000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-15T18:10:34.451+0000) > > ...ten time more informative than your 12 yo babyrage and your "interesting" screen. > I tried to explain how the system works (cause you clearly don't have any clue), I tried to reason with you: my mistake, I didn't realize you were just a kid coming here with the "TELL ME I AM 100% RIGHT OR YOU ARE RANTING" attitude. You're ranting, I know very well how the system works. Very bloody well. I'm point out that no matter how many normal game's you play, its near impossible for high level players to test champs out. Jeez.
: > [{quoted}](name=Son of spartar,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=X8a3L7ZR,comment-id=00040000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-15T17:57:29.039+0000) > > https://gyazo.com/4f5769c4638dda7275bafc536ce60ff4 Normal game tell my again me team isn't bad. ??? What's that screen has to do with ANYTHING I said, did you even bothered reading my posts? Plus you left out TONS of valuable informations on that screen, wtf?
> [{quoted}](name=SAILOR SATANA,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=X8a3L7ZR,comment-id=000400000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-15T18:02:23.985+0000) > > ??? > What's that screen has to do with ANYTHING I said, did you even bothered reading my posts? > Plus you left out TONS of valuable informations on that screen, wtf? Your post is ranting so therefore i won't read it. What more information do you want? You can go to my Op.gg and check everything out.
: > [{quoted}](name=Son of spartar,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=X8a3L7ZR,comment-id=000400000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-15T17:17:37.693+0000) > > See i care in ranked because i'm trying to earn Lp to climb division, there is a reason for playing ranked. ? Oook, sure: when I said something about it? But when i'm forced to play normal's its a pain in the ass, not that people are bad, its just they feed to much because they're vsing better opponents. Again, "easy" to solve: play more normals, rise your mmr and you will face only high elo players. You will still see higher differences between players than in ranked, that's true: but if you'll reach for instance a " platinum 3" level you can be assure than you will face an enemy team with that average mmr (yeah, maybe with a gold player in it, balanced by a diamond, etc). And, more importantly, I can guarantee that (again, on AVERAGE) the higher you go the harder people try to win nevertheless (and that makes the first part of the climbing the most painful one for a good player, while winning and winning he will face less and less trolls etc). "But I don't wanna do that, I wanna play ranked!" I got that, is understandable. But is like leveling up a fresh account, getting into ranked and then complaining cause is all unbalanced: ofc it will be so, until you will play more. The "problem" lies in the fact that you don't wanna play normals, so you don't do frequently enough to boost your MMR to a proper level. And yes, is an unsolvable one but not cause the system is flawed: is unsolvable cause the system NEEDS you to play a certain queue a lot to get very precise (again, EXACTLY like in ranked), and you don't feel like doing it. >That's where the problem is, my team get out matched due to the fact my rank is to high. No, that's not it. Your rank doesn't mean a thing in normal, that's part of the "problem". Ofc a diamond player will be more likely to have a good normal MMR cause well...is a good player: but in theory you can be Challenger and still have a bronze MMR in normals
> [{quoted}](name=SAILOR SATANA,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=X8a3L7ZR,comment-id=0004000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-15T17:39:19.822+0000) > > ? > Oook, sure: when I said something about it? > > But when i'm forced to play normal's its a pain in the ass, not that people are bad, its just they feed to much because they're vsing better opponents. > > Again, "easy" to solve: play more normals, rise your mmr and you will face only high elo players. > You will still see higher differences between players than in ranked, that's true: but if you'll reach for instance a " platinum 3" level you can be assure than you will face an enemy team with that average mmr (yeah, maybe with a gold player in it, balanced by a diamond, etc). > And, more importantly, I can guarantee that (again, on AVERAGE) the higher you go the harder people try to win nevertheless (and that makes the first part of the climbing the most painful one for a good player, while winning and winning he will face less and less trolls etc). > > "But I don't wanna do that, I wanna play ranked!" > > I got that, is understandable. > But is like leveling up a fresh account, getting into ranked and then complaining cause is all unbalanced: ofc it will be so, until you will play more. > The "problem" lies in the fact that you don't wanna play normals, so you don't do frequently enough to boost your MMR to a proper level. > And yes, is an unsolvable one but not cause the system is flawed: is unsolvable cause the system NEEDS you to play a certain queue a lot to get very precise (again, EXACTLY like in ranked), and you don't feel like doing it. > > No, that's not it. > Your rank doesn't mean a thing in normal, that's part of the "problem". > Ofc a diamond player will be more likely to have a good normal MMR cause well...is a good player: but in theory you can be Challenger and still have a bronze MMR in normals https://gyazo.com/4f5769c4638dda7275bafc536ce60ff4 Normal game tell my again me team isn't bad. I'm top for every game, and my team is feeding every game. https://gyazo.com/d7cb7404d3360ef898f2018ee7d34941 https://gyazo.com/9cc7c6ed14b4a4e7a4bfb7f761487489
: > [{quoted}](name=Son of spartar,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=X8a3L7ZR,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-14T23:53:23.592+0000) > > Its 1am! No excuses.
> [{quoted}](name=14daysuspensionk,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=X8a3L7ZR,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-15T08:51:36.940+0000) > > No excuses. Ye, i stayed up a bit to late, while having to be up at 5am for work. Happens {{sticker:zombie-brand-clap}}
: > [{quoted}](name=Son of spartar,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=X8a3L7ZR,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-15T11:20:26.890+0000) > > Dude I’ve been playing the game since season 1 Since beta, here. >normals have never been balanced. Normal MM was ALWAYS as balanced as the ranked one, period. The mentality is a totally different thing, nothing to do with my point (or the matchmaking). While at it tho: is true that on average normals are taken in a more relaxed way, but the same general rule still apply: the more you win the more "serious" players you will get. You will still find some "trollish" guys here and there but there is an OCEAN of difference between a normal at silver MMR and one at diamond level. Btw, while in normals you see more "ehhh i don't care, I will go off meta with a champ I never played before" in ranked you see more "OMG THEY GOT FB GGWP SURRENDER AT 15 I AM DONE, ALWAYS FUCKING R%%%%%S IN MY TEAM!11!!", which on average is, IMO, waaay worse. Is true that an excessive "lack of care" can fuck up a match, but the opposite ("too much care") is a nightmare. On average, in my accounts were I played enough ranked/normals to "stabilize" my MMR I'd say that I saw more ranked fucked up by attitude than normals, even if in a very different way.
> [{quoted}](name=SAILOR SATANA,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=X8a3L7ZR,comment-id=00040000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-15T14:02:33.168+0000) > > Since beta, here. > > Normal MM was ALWAYS as balanced as the ranked one, period. > The mentality is a totally different thing, nothing to do with my point (or the matchmaking). > While at it tho: is true that on average normals are taken in a more relaxed way, but the same general rule still apply: the more you win the more "serious" players you will get. > You will still find some "trollish" guys here and there but there is an OCEAN of difference between a normal at silver MMR and one at diamond level. > Btw, while in normals you see more "ehhh i don't care, I will go off meta with a champ I never played before" in ranked you see more "OMG THEY GOT FB GGWP SURRENDER AT 15 I AM DONE, ALWAYS FUCKING R%%%%%S IN MY TEAM!11!!", which on average is, IMO, waaay worse. > Is true that an excessive "lack of care" can fuck up a match, but the opposite ("too much care") is a nightmare. > On average, in my accounts were I played enough ranked/normals to "stabilize" my MMR I'd say that I saw more ranked fucked up by attitude than normals, even if in a very different way. See i care in ranked because i'm trying to earn Lp to climb division, there is a reason for playing ranked. But when i'm forced to play normal's its a pain in the ass, not that people are bad, its just they feed to much because they're vsing better opponents. That's the problem, there is usually always another diamond player on the enemy team, but that diamond players is mostly on higher impact roles. Since blind is random there is no way of making said diamond player go top vs me. That's where the problem is, my team get out matched due to the fact my rank is to high. I just want to get past 3 items man, with out people dying 10+ times.
: Blind Pick needs to be replaced with Team Builder
> [{quoted}](name=Pandemic Punch,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=X8a3L7ZR,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-06-15T10:25:28.008+0000) > > Blind Pick needs to be replaced with Team Builder Yep, or anything that’s a tad more effective, draft is all fun and games until you never get the champ you want to play.
: > [{quoted}](name=Son of spartar,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=X8a3L7ZR,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-06-15T04:42:47.446+0000) > > How can there be balance when, there is no rank to go off? a) Is there a rank in normal draft and no one told me? Cause I said is as balanced as normal draft. b) Rank is just a "visual" thing, I am very surprised that a diamond player doesn't know that. All that truly matters is your MMR. In ranked you play more balanced games cause you played enough to "stabilize" your MMR. Play enough blind pick and you will start to face team strong enough to challenge you.
> [{quoted}](name=SAILOR SATANA,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=X8a3L7ZR,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2019-06-15T08:58:11.739+0000) > > a) Is there a rank in normal draft and no one told me? Cause I said is as balanced as normal draft. > > b) Rank is just a "visual" thing, I am very surprised that a diamond player doesn't know that. > All that truly matters is your MMR. > In ranked you play more balanced games cause you played enough to "stabilize" your MMR. > Play enough blind pick and you will start to face team strong enough to challenge you. Dude I’ve been playing the game since season 1, normals have never been balanced. Playing normals is a waste of time, it’s more effective to make a bloody smurf and play ranked the actualy sit through a normal game. The, it’s normal I don’t care if I feed mentality is annoying as fuck. Even with over 3k normals game on the main account normals where only fun playing with friends other then it was just luck whom you got.
: The MM on blind pick is balanced EXACTLY like draft pick, they have only 2 separated MMR (something LOT of players are unaware of). Your first blind pick games are bound to be more imbalanced cause your MMR is adjusting, simple as that (is true that in blind pick people "troll" more, but that a totally separated issue).
> [{quoted}](name=SAILOR SATANA,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=X8a3L7ZR,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-06-15T00:45:07.346+0000) > > The MM on blind pick is balanced EXACTLY like draft pick, they have only 2 separated MMR (something LOT of players are unaware of). > Your first blind pick games are bound to be more imbalanced cause your MMR is adjusting, simple as that (is true that in blind pick people "troll" more, but that a totally separated issue). How can there be balance when, there is no rank to go off? It’s so balanced that as diamond top i’m Winning lane way to easy, and yesterday the diamond enemy jungler was winning jungle way to Easy as well, or that diamond adc was winning to easy. Problem is top isn’t as strong as adc or jungle so it’s pretty much a stomp for every other lane which isn’t fun at all.
: > [{quoted}](name=Son of spartar,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=X8a3L7ZR,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-06-14T23:56:18.028+0000) > > Well for one i'm not riot so no idea, but when i'm trying to play as casual as possible with the least amount of try harding i'm still getting teams that are not at the same skill level. I don't want have to keep trying to carry feeder, i want to have a decent game where some one isn't 10+ deaths deep before the 20min marker. > > If i wanted to go full hard core diamond, take every cs and freeze lane i'd play ranked. Well I asked you because you were asking for change, so I was trying to see what ideas you had because I had none and figured you might. But if you're upset over people being too casual in normals - that's a bit of a contradiction.....you don't want to try hard outside of comp, but you're upset when there aren't tryhards on your team? heh xD It's almost like you want aspects of ranked in all of you normal games..... That being said, I do understand finding blind-pick frustrating, but you know what it is? A lot of people think the same way as you......."oh, let me try blind to get the character I want!" whenever a rework or new champ comes out. So when you get the champ over other ppl you end up with ppl who are actively bitter and they either leave, or they don't wanna dodge but their gaf goes out the window and they subsequently don't try as hard, or in rare cases - purposely throw. Or you just get people who play blind to try and get a particular lane without worrying about draft's auto-fill, and if they don't get that lane end up having to settle for a lane they don't want, or can't play. There's really nothing Riot can do about those type of people. There's no matchmaking system on the planet that can weed out those who will get salty if they don't get who they want, or weed out those who will actually give a damn about a blind game vs. those who don't. As someone who genuinely is in love with Qiyana, and doesn't want to just play her because she's new but because I really like her and how she plays, I dread the first week or two when she goes live. I expect for her to be banned in draft, hard af to get in blind, and elusive af in ARAM. lol I think I'll probably do what you're doing, and attempt to pick her first in blind......but I A). Am often to slow to beat other ppl when it comes to that kind of thing. and B). Often get dodgers who are salty whenever I DO manage to pick the new/reworked champ first.
> [{quoted}](name=xox BaByDoLL xox,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=X8a3L7ZR,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-06-15T02:02:21.819+0000) > > Well I asked you because you were asking for change, so I was trying to see what ideas you had because I had none and figured you might. > > But if you're upset over people being too casual in normals - that's a bit of a contradiction.....you don't want to try hard outside of comp, but you're upset when there aren't tryhards on your team? heh xD > It's almost like you want aspects of ranked in all of you normal games..... > > That being said, I do understand finding blind-pick frustrating, but you know what it is? A lot of people think the same way as you......."oh, let me try blind to get the character I want!" whenever a rework or new champ comes out. So when you get the champ over other ppl you end up with ppl who are actively bitter and they either leave, or they don't wanna dodge but their gaf goes out the window and they subsequently don't try as hard, or in rare cases - purposely throw. > Or you just get people who play blind to try and get a particular lane without worrying about draft's auto-fill, and if they don't get that lane end up having to settle for a lane they don't want, or can't play. > There's really nothing Riot can do about those type of people. > There's no matchmaking system on the planet that can weed out those who will get salty if they don't get who they want, or weed out those who will actually give a damn about a blind game vs. those who don't. > > > > As someone who genuinely is in love with Qiyana, and doesn't want to just play her because she's new but because I really like her and how she plays, I dread the first week or two when she goes live. I expect for her to be banned in draft, hard af to get in blind, and elusive af in ARAM. lol > I think I'll probably do what you're doing, and attempt to pick her first in blind......but I > A). Am often to slow to beat other ppl when it comes to that kind of thing. > and B). Often get dodgers who are salty whenever I DO manage to pick the new/reworked champ first. I care very little what people pick in bloody Normal games, they can do as they wish I just don’t want them being bloody 1-10 in my game. You know you can pick a new champ and not feed, that’s the point. I don’t care who they play or what role they go as long as their no going 1-10 and yelling “it’s just a normal game” while the rest of the team get one shot and can’t do anything until the next ff.
: > [{quoted}](name=Son of spartar,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=X8a3L7ZR,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-06-14T22:05:58.236+0000) > > I'm really starting to hate this game man, cause its either play ranked or bloody play normal's. Mord rework is out, so i want to try him out, don't really want to play in diamond + rank game's and feed to oblivion. So the next best option is normal's, can't play draft because the camp is going to get banned or most likely picked by some one else. So that only leaves blind pick which is trash, yes i can get my champ most the time, but the match making is so unbalanced i'm not even testing the guy out. My team is already feeding to hard for me to really get any build going or even try be useful, i just want to have a decent game with the champ where the game ins't a bloody FF 15. I'm spending more time surrendering then getting above 3 items. Basically you have a few options which are blind or customs and don't want to do it. I don't see a problem with league at all in that regard. Riot has in fact given you tools to potentially play the champion.
> [{quoted}](name=AetherFlow,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=X8a3L7ZR,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-06-15T00:24:10.155+0000) > > Basically you have a few options which are blind or customs and don't want to do it. I don't see a problem with league at all in that regard. Riot has in fact given you tools to potentially play the champion. Yes but when you’re good at the game, playing vs worse players doesn’t show how strong a champion is, I can pick my main and stop most normal games. I want to be able to try a champ without having to deal with the mad feeding of my team because Match making is so unbalanced.
: > [{quoted}](name=Son of spartar,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=X8a3L7ZR,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-06-14T22:05:58.236+0000) > > I'm really starting to hate this game man, cause its either play ranked or bloody play normal's. Mord rework is out, so i want to try him out, don't really want to play in diamond + rank game's and feed to oblivion. So the next best option is normal's, can't play draft because the camp is going to get banned or most likely picked by some one else. So that only leaves blind pick which is trash, yes i can get my champ most the time, but the match making is so unbalanced i'm not even tasting the guy out. My team is already feeding to hard for me to really get any build going or even try be useful, i just want to have a decent game with the champ where the game ins't a bloody FF 15. I'm spending more time surrendering then getting above 3 items. What exactly do you think Riot should do? I just don't see how to fix the problem of randoms in normals being hit or miss. That just seems like a permanent pitfall of normal solo-Q in any game......sometimes your teams are alright, sometimes they're bad, sometimes they work together, sometimes they don't.
> [{quoted}](name=xox BaByDoLL xox,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=X8a3L7ZR,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-06-14T23:48:54.378+0000) > > What exactly do you think Riot should do? > I just don't see how to fix the problem of randoms in normals being hit or miss. That just seems like a permanent pitfall of normal solo-Q in any game......sometimes your teams are alright, sometimes they're bad, sometimes they work together, sometimes they don't. Well for one i'm not riot so no idea, but when i'm trying to play as casual as possible with the least amount of try harding i'm still getting teams that are not at the same skill level. I don't want have to keep trying to carry feeder, i want to have a decent game where some one isn't 10+ deaths deep before the 20min marker. If i wanted to go full hard core diamond, take every cs and freeze lane i'd play ranked.
: > [{quoted}](name=Son of spartar,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=X8a3L7ZR,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-06-14T23:44:25.772+0000) > > I plan on learning how strong and weak he is. Can't be done if i can't get past 3 items with a constant feeding team can i? T A S T I N G.
> [{quoted}](name=14daysuspensionk,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=X8a3L7ZR,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-14T23:45:21.727+0000) > > T A S T I N G. Its 1am!
: Wait...you're planning on tasting him?
> [{quoted}](name=14daysuspensionk,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=X8a3L7ZR,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-14T23:39:40.061+0000) > > Wait...you're planning on tasting him? I plan on learning how strong and weak he is. Can't be done if i can't get past 3 items with a constant feeding team can i?
: Wait a few weeks and/ or until he gets nerfed. The playerbase doesn't play juggernauts that often (just look at play rates)and hes played because hes strong and new
> [{quoted}](name=R107 Games,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=X8a3L7ZR,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-14T23:23:04.151+0000) > > Wait a few weeks and/ or until he gets nerfed. The playerbase doesn't play juggernauts that often (just look at play rates)and hes played because hes strong and new I want to play him while he's strong, not when he's nerfed and forgotten. Not the point tho, we also need qaulity control in normals, no fun diamond players going up against anything below plat. Like a diamond jungler can single handly win a normal game when vsing lower skilled opponents.
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=Son of spartar,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eKHEEU8I,comment-id=000100000000000100010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-05T00:04:50.055+0000) > > I post on both, its just that Na boards has more active people. But guess you wouldn't know that would you? So EU is shit yeah I get it lmao
> [{quoted}](name=GhostOfTsushima,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eKHEEU8I,comment-id=0001000000000001000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-05T00:38:06.637+0000) > > So EU is shit yeah I get it lmao You have 48% win rate in Na, which is far worse in terms of solo q. Pipe down, and come back when you hit 50%. Or you just being carried? Seems like your rank is above your skill level with that win rate.
: > [{quoted}](name=Son of spartar,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=PlE6H2zs,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-05T00:15:30.350+0000) > > Pick her into panth, and ill make sure you end up with 0 cs for at least 3-6 mins. gg son https://youtu.be/9WUwp0zwl0E
> [{quoted}](name=Heko The Man,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=PlE6H2zs,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-05T06:59:19.741+0000) > > gg son > https://youtu.be/9WUwp0zwl0E That pantheon is bronze, and that video was trash. No smart pantheon uses W on fiora when she has her stun up. He hadn't even poked her enough to kill her in one cycle. https://gyazo.com/2cbec284b50334e27f31579fd47c4d2d Destroyed fiora so hard she had to support.
: > [{quoted}](name=Divin1ty,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=PlE6H2zs,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-04T11:40:03.692+0000) > > +1 so fucking hard. > But only yesterday I have been explained that counterpicks don't exist, especially in Toplane. :) just pick fiora into everything, free lane
> [{quoted}](name=Heko The Man,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=PlE6H2zs,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-06-04T20:03:02.125+0000) > > just pick fiora into everything, free lane Pick her into panth, and ill make sure you end up with 0 cs for at least 3-6 mins.
Moody P (NA)
: "I am counterpicked but I'm playing safe and letting him push. Surely my jungler will help me soon"
This is why i hate being first pick and being a top main, i'd say 90% of the time i will get hard countered. Therefore forcing me to pick safe or just yolo my main. When you're a panth otp there is no fun vsing tanking, esp if they pick something like tahm or bloody garen. At diamond plus first picking top tends to decide how hard i'd win or lose the game.
: > [{quoted}](name=Son of spartar,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eKHEEU8I,comment-id=0001000000000001000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-04T06:54:52.804+0000) > > Says the guy stuck in plat, while playing in Na where no one fights. Said the kid whos on the NA board LMAO What happen to EU board? is too shit for you SON
> [{quoted}](name=GhostOfTsushima,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eKHEEU8I,comment-id=00010000000000010001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-04T23:29:17.467+0000) > > Said the kid whos on the NA board LMAO > > What happen to EU board? is too shit for you SON I post on both, its just that Na boards has more active people. But guess you wouldn't know that would you?
: Dude you're actually me. I made a smurf and I was around 70% winrate on p2 and when i got to diamond 4, I lost like 20 games and won 4. It just seemed that doesn't matter how hard I try, or what I do, I just felt like the games were RIGGED to be lost for me, like it was a 4 team bot that will make me lose, I really considered the idea that riot wants to make everyone at 52-53%* winrate when this happened to me by matching you with people with negative kda's, and negative winrates with bad mmr's
> [{quoted}](name=afkggnonoob,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eKHEEU8I,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-06-04T07:11:24.240+0000) > > Dude you're actually me. > I made a smurf and I was around 70% winrate on p2 and when i got to diamond 4, I lost like 20 games and won 4. > It just seemed that doesn't matter how hard I try, or what I do, I just felt like the games were RIGGED to be lost for me, like it was a 4 team bot that will make me lose, I really considered the idea that riot wants to make everyone at 52-53%* winrate when this happened to me by matching you with people with negative kda's, and negative winrates with bad mmr's Like i said i hit D4 promo's at 72% win rate, i went 1-3 in them like no chance of me winning. My bot lane lost hard all the 3 game's. I'm sure one of the game's i had D4 adc with 45% win rate. Promo's are beyond rigged, you either get them first time or spend 100 game's trying to beat em again. Happened last season as well a lot, i'd get in promo's easy, lose them and then drop back down 80lp with game's that where unwinnable.
: Something doesn't make sense here. If matches are coin flips, then how did you have a 72% win rate? Shouldn't it be closer to 50%? It sounds to me like you were winning way more than losing which doesn't resemble the odds you'd find with coin flips. Can you please explain?
> [{quoted}](name=FioraWillCarry,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eKHEEU8I,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-06-04T07:46:42.740+0000) > > Something doesn't make sense here. If matches are coin flips, then how did you have a 72% win rate? Shouldn't it be closer to 50%? It sounds to me like you were winning way more than losing which doesn't resemble the odds you'd find with coin flips. Can you please explain? Coin flips start to happen around the higher divisions. Its easy to have 72% win rate when you're able to carry your self from low a division. Have you people played above gold before? Coin flips are when you get the boosted/tilted player or the player who's off role or only plays once a month, that's a coin flips. You're getting the worst players out the pool, not every one who's diamond belongs there. Most diamond players are either one tricks or duo abuse, one you take away their one trick or their partner they no longer can climb therefore stuck. The best one is they abuse op champs which then get nerfed and they no longer can climb or do anything because it wasn't skill that got em there it was just the abuse from an over kitted champ. Just like most riven players... Who mange diamond and above consistently cause their champ is busted.
: > [{quoted}](name=Bandit Queen,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eKHEEU8I,comment-id=00010000000000010001000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-04T06:10:11.468+0000) > > Hey now, there's only 2 divisions between us I wasn't trying to be like "Oh my god look at how much better than this guy I am." Merely trying to point out that, hey, you're a KDA player, that's great. Well, it isn't really but y'know. Given that the two people you're responding to are more successful than you despite their worse KDAs, maybe you shouldn't be valuing KDA so highly. Maybe you should look at the champions we're playing and go "Oh hey, in teamfights you're both playing champions with no defensive mobility that jump in to the entire enemy team with no way out and the only way they live is if you win the teamfight." > > If the half of a death less per game you're getting (your average when I checked mine was 4.8 vs. my 5.3) was as impactful as you seem to believe, you'd be winning a lot more. After all, you barely die at all, right? More successful as in getting better coin flip?
> [{quoted}](name=GhostOfTsushima,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eKHEEU8I,comment-id=000100000000000100010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-04T06:25:28.833+0000) > > More successful as in getting better coin flip? Says the guy stuck in plat, while playing in Na where no one fights.
: > [{quoted}](name=Son of spartar,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eKHEEU8I,comment-id=000100000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-03T22:15:06.558+0000) > > If i wanted to maintain a really good kda i could do so with out a problem, but i'm not a kda players. I don't really give a fuck if i die or not, makes no difference to me as long as the game's won. Most my deaths come from lost game's not game's where i'm ahead. Again Kda means shit when climbing. I could feed my ass of and still win game's as long as i cs and play an op late game champ. But panth is neither. You don't just decide if you want to keep a clean KDA or not lol If everyone can oh god imagine if no one was feeding right
> [{quoted}](name=GhostOfTsushima,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eKHEEU8I,comment-id=0001000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-03T22:46:17.416+0000) > > You don't just decide if you want to keep a clean KDA or not lol > > If everyone can oh god imagine if no one was feeding right But i do deiced tho. i'm the one that makes play's and most the time i use my R offensively and it ends up killing me. I can very easy play the boring, sit and farm game where i won't ever die where i run Tp instead of ignite, but that's just not my style. Hell i could just play tank pantheon and see how long it takes for them to kill me. I choose to die, and if i'm ahead ill die just for fun. Kda means jack shit.
: > [{quoted}](name=Bandit Queen,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eKHEEU8I,comment-id=0001000000000001,timestamp=2019-06-03T19:18:25.963+0000) > > Not sure why you're so up in arms about him having 5-6 deaths on when yours are generally around 5 also and the one champion you aren't around 5 on - Kha'zix - is an opportunistic assassin you're not supposed to die on. Yeah no shit and what's your point? I'm not literally almost 6.0 death ratio feeding my ass off If you're feeding that hard, the whole point of his whole thread is complaining he isn't getting carry hard enough. And playing assassin literally doesn't mean you can feed on em, you can literally not fucking feed on any Champion if you got the brain. You think Janna player all have 6.0 death ratio? If any Janna player does they're obviously shit
> [{quoted}](name=GhostOfTsushima,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eKHEEU8I,comment-id=00010000000000010000,timestamp=2019-06-03T21:17:14.063+0000) > > Yeah no shit and what's your point? > > I'm not literally almost 6.0 death ratio feeding my ass off > > If you're feeding that hard, the whole point of his whole thread is complaining he isn't getting carry hard enough. > > And playing assassin literally doesn't mean you can feed on em, you can literally not fucking feed on any Champion if you got the brain. > > You think Janna player all have 6.0 death ratio? If any Janna player does they're obviously shit If i wanted to maintain a really good kda i could do so with out a problem, but i'm not a kda players. I don't really give a fuck if i die or not, makes no difference to me as long as the game's won. Most my deaths come from lost game's not game's where i'm ahead. Again Kda means shit when climbing. I could feed my ass of and still win game's as long as i cs and play an op late game champ. But panth is neither.
: My issue with your plan is decay. I'm not gonna sit here and flame you for talking about coinflips - I bounce between silver 1 -> gold promos and silver 2 al the time, so I know the feeling of just getting bottom-feeder teammates when it matters. But last I heard, players above plat experience rank decay after time has elapsed. How will you remain diamond if you just don't touch the account? You'll automatically fall out.
> [{quoted}](name=ChaosReyn,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eKHEEU8I,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-06-03T21:21:27.171+0000) > > My issue with your plan is decay. > > I'm not gonna sit here and flame you for talking about coinflips - I bounce between silver 1 -> gold promos and silver 2 al the time, so I know the feeling of just getting bottom-feeder teammates when it matters. But last I heard, players above plat experience rank decay after time has elapsed. How will you remain diamond if you just don't touch the account? You'll automatically fall out. I stated i only play a game of ranked a month, meaning win or lose i don't decay. That's how people maintain diamond, i don't like to do it. But diamond is way to boring and tedious to keep playing.
: > [{quoted}](name=Son of spartar,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eKHEEU8I,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-06-03T16:53:56.274+0000) > > Nah i'm good, kda means nothing to me as long as i win the game. Anyone can win by getting carry
> [{quoted}](name=GhostOfTsushima,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eKHEEU8I,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-03T18:46:24.962+0000) > > Anyone can win by getting carry Getting carried when i have 60% win rate overall, and my main champs have 60% win rate. But yes i'm getting carried.
: > [{quoted}](name=Son of spartar,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eKHEEU8I,comment-id=0000000100000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-03T17:16:59.007+0000) > > No game's are coin flips when you're hammered so hard it looked as if, it was challengers vs iron players. That's a coin flips, i don't have to carry every game, i don't play to either i try to get ahead if possible or at least go even. Same can't be said for some of team mate's, usually when you're behind you try to farm, play safe and ward. Not give the enemy 10+ kills in under 15 mins including all tower stacks as well. Adding a bias to a coinflip does not make you win every single game, it justs makes you win more than you lose.
> [{quoted}](name=Starcraft243ver,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eKHEEU8I,comment-id=00000001000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-03T17:21:36.338+0000) > > Adding a bias to a coinflip does not make you win every single game, it justs makes you win more than you lose. If ranked match making wasn't so trash i'd still be at 72% win rate, but apparently promo game's don't work the same as normal games. Its fun having 45% win rate titled players, when you're trying to promote. Most game's are won because i get a lead not the other way round. Unless i pick a defensive champ/ play style.
: > [{quoted}](name=Son of spartar,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eKHEEU8I,comment-id=00000001000000010000,timestamp=2019-06-03T17:05:49.107+0000) > > There is nothing to improve when game's are coinflips of tilted as hard stuck diamonds, or diamond who play once a month just to maintain their rank. I hit D3 80lp last season and the game play was the same, the same slow ass climbing, the same bullshit coin flips hoping the boosted/tilted players are not on your team. It doesn't matter how high you climb past D4 the game's are the same, you gain nothing expect and Ego inflation which does nothing. Maybe if there was better rewards, but everything is camped at gold. Really i should level accounts at gold and i get everything anyways. Games are coinflips only when you do not carry. If you are playing well every game, it becomes a biased coinflip and that's much more interesting. Also you learn more by playing against good players even if you are losing, than you learn crushing silver people.
> [{quoted}](name=Starcraft243ver,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eKHEEU8I,comment-id=000000010000000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-03T17:11:56.715+0000) > > Games are coinflips only when you do not carry. If you are playing well every game, it becomes a biased coinflip and that's much more interesting. Also you learn more by playing against good players even if you are losing, than you learn crushing silver people. No game's are coin flips when you're hammered so hard it looked as if, it was challengers vs iron players. That's a coin flips, i don't have to carry every game, i don't play to either i try to get ahead if possible or at least go even. Same can't be said for some of team mate's, usually when you're behind you try to farm, play safe and ward. Not give the enemy 10+ kills in under 15 mins including all tower stacks as well.
: > [{quoted}](name=Son of spartar,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eKHEEU8I,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2019-06-03T16:08:06.521+0000) > > If i want to climb past D4 i would do it was ease, expect i'm not wasting another 100 game's to earn 2 more diamond levels. Fuck i'm sitting here earning 16lp while losing 18-20 with a positive mmr and win rate. But these 2 more diamonds level are worth way much more than climbing from silver to diam 10 times. I find it boring to play on smurfs because your ennemies do so much mistakes it's too easy to crush them, you are able to take risks and show a level of disrespect for your ennemy laner that would just not work in a high elo game. When you play at your level you have to constantly try to improve, you fight to get a little edge and build your winrate with small adjustments to your play, when you make a mistake it gets exploited. That's when the learning process starts over again, and that's where the fun begins. In low elo games you can make blatant mistakes, think "omg i'm dead" and then you are like "oh nvm they're bad they didnt even notice".
> [{quoted}](name=Starcraft243ver,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eKHEEU8I,comment-id=0000000100000001,timestamp=2019-06-03T16:58:32.172+0000) > > But these 2 more diamonds level are worth way much more than climbing from silver to diam 10 times. I find it boring to play on smurfs because your ennemies do so much mistakes it's too easy to crush them, you are able to take risks and show a level of disrespect for your ennemy laner that would just not work in a high elo game. > > When you play at your level you have to constantly try to improve, you fight to get a little edge and build your winrate with small adjustments to your play, when you make a mistake it gets exploited. That's when the learning process starts over again, and that's where the fun begins. > > In low elo games you can make blatant mistakes, think "omg i'm dead" and then you are like "oh nvm they're bad they didnt even notice". There is nothing to improve when game's are coinflips of tilted as hard stuck diamonds, or diamond who play once a month just to maintain their rank. I hit D3 80lp last season and the game play was the same, the same slow ass climbing, the same bullshit coin flips hoping the boosted/tilted players are not on your team. It doesn't matter how high you climb past D4 the game's are the same, you gain nothing expect and Ego inflation which does nothing. Maybe if there was better rewards, but everything is camped at gold. Really i should level accounts at gold and i get everything anyways.
: HOLY MOLY HOLY SHIT ----------- You have literally a 5.0 - 6.0 Death ratio, lmao You are a Feeder, if your death ratio is that damn high for literally any Champ you play Die less in your game bro
> [{quoted}](name=GhostOfTsushima,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eKHEEU8I,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-03T16:47:04.791+0000) > > HOLY MOLY > > HOLY SHIT > ----------- > You have literally a 5.0 - 6.0 Death ratio, lmao > > You are a Feeder, if your death ratio is that damn high for literally any Champ you play > > Die less in your game bro Nah i'm good, kda means nothing to me as long as i win the game.
: > [{quoted}](name=Son of spartar,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eKHEEU8I,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2019-06-03T16:08:06.521+0000) > > If i want to climb past D4 i would do it was ease, expect i'm not wasting another 100 game's to earn 2 more diamond levels. Fuck i'm sitting her earning 16lp while losing 18-20 with a positive mmr and win rate. nah you won't do it with ease because you're not good enough to not be hardstuck
> [{quoted}](name=2 Weezy Baby,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eKHEEU8I,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-03T16:17:07.144+0000) > > nah you won't do it with ease because you're not good enough to not be hardstuck I'm really hard stuck with 60% win rate...
: > [{quoted}](name=2 Weezy Baby,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eKHEEU8I,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-03T15:11:40.398+0000) > > Most matches aren't coinflips though. If every match seems like a coinflip it basically means you're at the elo you're supposed to be at. this is exactly why op is frustrated, he doesnt like to lose so he'll play on a smurf so he gets high winrate until he reaches his real level : diam 4, and then, instead of doing the hard work required to improve again to get past this elo, he'd just play on another account.
> [{quoted}](name=Starcraft243ver,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eKHEEU8I,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-06-03T15:52:58.949+0000) > > this is exactly why op is frustrated, he doesnt like to lose so he'll play on a smurf so he gets high winrate until he reaches his real level : diam 4, and then, instead of doing the hard work required to improve again to get past this elo, he'd just play on another account. If i want to climb past D4 i would do it was ease, expect i'm not wasting another 100 game's to earn 2 more diamond levels. Fuck i'm sitting here earning 16lp while losing 18-20 with a positive mmr and win rate.
: Most matches aren't coinflips though. If every match seems like a coinflip it basically means you're at the elo you're supposed to be at.
> [{quoted}](name=2 Weezy Baby,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=eKHEEU8I,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-03T15:11:40.398+0000) > > Most matches aren't coinflips though. If every match seems like a coinflip it basically means you're at the elo you're supposed to be at. Ye that's not true, that 100% not true. The game forces 50% win rate, that's why it took 6 promo's to hit diamond. While getting trolled in at least 4 of them. Funny how teams get worse when promotion is at stake. Ill give you an example. Promo game 4 my draven player played piss poor and got carried to late game where he just managed to be useful and obtain the win, Promo game 5 he was on the enemy team and did the same thing which was feed, and guess what he lost lane and lost game, deffo not coinflipped.
Rioter Comments
: 3 second shield is not 2 healthbars…
How long do think a fight lasts for, in this current meta?
: What champion are you playing, are you punishing him before lvl 4? Are you bodyblocking / getting teammates to bodyblock for you in groupfights? He doesn't just walk up and kill you, most of his damage is in his q Are you disengaging when he gets 2-3 stacks on you? If you are squishy / mobile you need to disengage, especially when he pops his shield. You should note that he is almost entirely single target, his minion spit is only ever used as poke / executing someone at low hp.
I should also know that dude can't be killed, rushes fire cape, then proceeds to tank everything and anything while dealing enough damage to destroy most camps 1vs1. Oh wait you want to kill him, shame he's got 2 bars of hp that you need to get through. Oh he also has a slow, stun and %hp damage move dam.
: Are you making sure there are always minions between you and him? He cant kill you without chain landing his q If you are going to fight him, do it in your own minion wave, his q hitbox is weird and a minion standing behind him/to the side of him can block his q. In groupfights you easily beat him by bodyblocking for whoever he is trying to stack on, his damage doesn't ramp up until 2-3 stacks and it screws him over when he needs to change targets.
Bruv he just walks up, and kills you. Minions aren't saving you.
Rioter Comments
: In my plat 3 promos I was matched with a 29% wr silver 1 (yes silver 1) midlane and a 39% g1 top. The enemy was all p4 or p3. Sometimes it is absolutely your team holding you back.
> [{quoted}](name=Krissi2197,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=kp1FytKV,comment-id=002f,timestamp=2019-05-27T23:57:50.887+0000) > > In my plat 3 promos I was matched with a 29% wr silver 1 (yes silver 1) midlane and a 39% g1 top. > > The enemy was all p4 or p3. > > Sometimes it is absolutely your team holding you back. Its taken me about 20 game's just hit my P1 promo's and i'm earning 25lp and losing 14. Its stupid at this point and just annoying to say the least.
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Son of spartar

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