: "If crowd control is the only way to counter a champion, then its design is bad."
It depends on its magnitude. If landing a single CC is enough to nullify the champion (which includes sotrong slows) then it's rather balanced, if you need to land a chain of 3+ CCs because otherwise he'd either kill you or just get back all the damage you dealt to them then it's bad design.
: Was Ghostcrawler responsible for making Garrosh a villain?
I doubt he had any impact on the lore, the guy in charge was Metzen who had a more than evident crush on Thrall to the point where he turned him into Green Jesus.
: Darius is missing his Scar
Might be a mistake but if it's bound to the event then it's lore accurate: Darius got his scar from facing Garen before they became God-things.
: You can really tell the God King skins had a lot of passion put into making them.
This is undeniable. The skins are both really high level.
: GOD-EMPEROR AZIR
I voted yes both because it makes sense and also because this would mean we'll have God-Magus {{champion:101}} as counterpart.
: Can League steal HotS's Blind Pick?
I think it would be the best solution. I'm more than willing to wait a bit more in queue if we get Teambuilder back also.
: [Discussion] Who do you think is going to be the new champion after the Akali Rework?
SatomiKun (EUW)
: You want to break Leonas heart so badly?
There is alway space for her too ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
FeeNeeX (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Stars Shaper,realm=EUW,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=dFtExR93,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-06-17T21:39:21.094+0000) > > Tell me what you want but What i want ?? I want the world to see what TRUE ART looks like Am getting the first picture as a wall poster in my room btw{{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
Not joking, the artist is amazing.
FeeNeeX (EUNE)
: ❤️DIANA❤️
Tell me what you want but Taric x Diana should be a thing.
: > [{quoted}](name=Stars Shaper,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=qp4K6b5J,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-06-17T18:55:42.987+0000) > > I'm interested a lot by the fact that Jayce can hear the Brackern song from the crystal, he might be far more empathic of what it's been shown. But he keeps using the crystal as a battery regardless of that, so empathetic.
A shard of it that broke during the fight he had with Viktor.
: I also dislike jayce...however think about that : Jayce although flawed in many areas , can change.In fact we see that change through his interactions with the little girl. Viktor on the other hand can no longer change , he has become a machine at heart and although he has good intention he is not able to see his flaws...for viktor machines are the futere of humanity as they free people from the weakness of flesh and emotions.During his interaction with the little boy he is the one to influence the boy not the other way around(like in jayces story)..And that is because viktor forgot one important thing : what makes humans greater than any machine is their ability to change and move forward to "evolve " in a level that sadly can no longer be perceived by him!
I'm interested a lot by the fact that Jayce can hear the Brackern song from the crystal, he might be far more empathic of what it's been shown.
: I'm actually going to try and defend Jayce here. I'M GONNA WRITE A LOT FAIR WARNING. It is difficult to find a champion more reviled by a lot of the Lore boards than Jayce, and the worst part is that he doesn't deserve a lot of it. Jayce is, personality-wise, an arrogant dick, yeah. However, Jayce is still working towards bettering society as much as he can. The popularity of Viktor and the unpopularity of Jayce have sorta created this narrative of "viktor is the true hero of the story and bad man jayce is covering up the truth!!!", but it's more complex than that. **1. Viktor Is Not Perfect** I think Viktor is one of League's most interesting character's on a meta-narrative level, because it's obvious he was originally meant to be a villain. His design, his splash, and his in-game VO and ability names all reflect that. Viktor casts his E, "Death Ray", and then cackles. As part of his core gameplay loop. However, Viktor's release lore was extremely sparse (as were a lot of champs of that era), so many fans got attached to his character and fanon made him an anti-hero or misunderstood figure. With the rewrites of 2017, that became canonically what Viktor is. But we still can't forget a few things. > He devised a chem-shunt helm that allowed an operator on the surface to bypass the wearer’s fear response and, effectively, control the diver. Viktor tried to make a suit that would effectively allow someone to enslave the wearer. You can argue that it's probably a consensual process putting the suit on, and that the diver is aware of the risk, but look at the way Piltover/Zaun is structured in the story. It's effectively a Class Divide Utopia, and it's not going to be the affluent Piltovians in the suit, it's going to be the desperate, poor, nowhere-else-to-go Zaunites who take on that responsibility. **2. Jayce Is Not All Bad ** Straight up the first paragraph of Jayce's Lore: > Still, Jayce’s heart is in the right place, and even those who envy his natural skills are grateful for his protection in the City of Progress. Jayce has devoted his life to protecting citizens of Piltover (though his views on Zaun are likely pretty shaky). His attitude is off-putting and his demeanor is rude, but he still wants what's best for everyone. His conflict with Viktor isn't one of hero against villain, it's two people trying to do good...with vastly different ideas of how to do so. **3. Their Incident Is Based On Misunderstanding** This is one of those things where reading one of the lores alone will trip you up. It takes reading both Viktor and Jayce's Lores to get the full scope of the Crystal Incident. **From Viktor's Perspective:** - Viktor watches hundreds of people get fatally poisoned. In a rush to save them, he builds a machine to cure them by opening their heads and sucking the poison out. However, he doesn't have enough energy, so he has to go to Jayce's lab and get his Hextech Crystal power source. -Viktor explains that he needs this to save people. Jayce says no, and he was always kind of a jerk, right? -Viktor steals the crystal to save hundreds of people, but he has to transfer some of their brains into robots to keep them alive, because their bodies are too degraded from the poison. -Viktor returns to his lab to use the crystal when Jayce arrives, mad and with a big ol' hammer and begging Viktor to stop. He tells his guard robots to kill Jayce. Probably not something he wants to do, but he can't afford to stake the lives on this. -Viktor's warehouse is destroyed by Jayce, the people die, Viktor considers Jayce another example of humanity failing. **From Jayce's Perspective:** -Viktor shows up on his doorstep. Keep in mind that Jayce knows nothing of the poisonings or any other emergency, just that his old colleague who tried to build a mind control helmet is here. -Viktor invites Jayce to join him in...well...this: > He’d finally learned how to achieve his dream – how to eradicate disease, hunger, hatred. If Jayce joined him, the two would accomplish more than anyone from Piltover or Zaun could have dreamed of: they’d save humanity from itself. Jayce has probably watched a hextech movie or two where the villain says something along these lines. I know I have. -Not trusting what the guy who frequently breaches ethical rules will do with a superpowered crystal, Jayce refuses. Again, it doesn't sound like Viktor ever actually told him what was going on. -Viktor beats him up and steals the crystal. -Jayce hunts Viktor down and enters the warehouse Viktor is working in. He sees dozens of seemingly dead bodies, with their heads sliced open, next to a bunch of replacement robot bodies. He knows Viktor has always wanted to start a "Glorious Evolution". ** He has no idea these people are going to die, or that Viktor did not kill them**. -Jayce pleads with Viktor to stop. Viktor tells his guards to "Kill him". -Jayce brings the warehouse down, stopping what he probably thinks is a mad scientist creating his own robot army, which has just tried to kill him. This is the version of the story that gets out, because Jayce is the more socially powerful of the two. In the end, I think the biggest failing in their fight is that **Viktor did not simply tell Jayce exactly what he needed the crystal for**. Both of them are too stubborn to really listen to one another (although admittedly Jayce tries towards the end). Basically, Viktor and Jayce want the same thing, but Jayce has lived on the posh side of humanity and believes that humans have infinite potential. Viktor has been kicked around by humanity all his life and believes that humanity is what holds people back. They're both idealistic young inventors, and I don't think either can really be called a true "villain". tl;dr: Viktor and Jayce are both good people at heart who are too rolled up in their own ideologies to ever compromise. Viktor is more popular so he is viewed as the "good guy", but both of them have good/bad qualities that pretty much even out.
I believe there is no better explanation that this one. Jayce and Viktor is actually one of the best rivalry around because it involves two characters **objectively on the same level** and them living in a society that mimics more a modern world it gives a better perception of what this god damn "grey zone" is. If we want to simplify it in a picture, I'd use this: https://toinformistoinfluence.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/198398_424402037583038_642096662_n.jpg I actually think that they can be the next step for the next Rivalry Event now. I'm not using Order vs Chaos because what do you think is more ordered or chaotic? Piltover with humans or Zaun with robots?
CLG ear (NA)
: last one https://pre00.deviantart.net/784c/th/pre/i/2017/315/5/4/zoe_league_of_legends_fan_art_by_arrietart-dbtgbs8.jpg
> [{quoted}](name=CLG ear,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=1uMOLhMm,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2018-06-17T08:11:42.062+0000) > > last one > > https://pre00.deviantart.net/784c/th/pre/i/2017/315/5/4/zoe_league_of_legends_fan_art_by_arrietart-dbtgbs8.jpg Keep it up :3 (or make an appropriate thread u.u)
: > [{quoted}](name=Stars Shaper,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=1uMOLhMm,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-06-17T08:00:04.361+0000) > > Aurelion Sol can keep his W active while in Zhonya too. It's probably due to the skill being considered fully casted on the first cast and stasis being a "cc" that doesn't make you lose control over your champion. That's different from Zoe's Q. You can keep abilities like Aurelion Sol's W, Karthus E, Old Swain Ult, etc. because they are toggles. Zoe's Q is a 2 part ability that requires you to reactivate it again to use the second part. You aren't allowed to activate abilities while in stasis so the fact that she is able to do so is pretty dumb.
> [{quoted}](name=Akali is SO HOT,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=1uMOLhMm,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2018-06-17T08:15:21.174+0000) > > That's different from Zoe's Q. You can keep abilities like Aurelion Sol's W, Karthus E, Old Swain Ult, etc. because they are toggles. Zoe's Q is a 2 part ability that requires you to reactivate it again to use the second part. You aren't allowed to activate abilities while in stasis so the fact that she is able to do so is pretty dumb. Toggles don't get interrupted by stuns/silences (unless I remember incorrectly) while Aurelion Sol W is. There are some weird interactions with some spells and I'm certain that some of them are connected to the mana cost and first cast scenarios.
: Zoe can still control her Q while in Zhonyas
Aurelion Sol can keep his W active while in Zhonya too. It's probably due to the skill being considered fully casted on the first cast and stasis being a "cc" that doesn't make you lose control over your champion.
: > [{quoted}](name=Stars Shaper,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=TnkQHrpB,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-06-15T14:41:58.974+0000) > > There seem to be huge bias in who designes these events, the Order side always gets to be the more objectively dislikeable by dragging them into the far extremist end of their spectrum while the Chaos representatives are just the most relateable answer to them. > > This was less evident in Riven because of the focus on the primordial conflict between the 2 of them (and the shipping intensification) but with Darius and Garen has reached the point where I don't even want to partecipate. Chaos in of itself is an extreme by the way, but you have to remember that Garen probably grew up in a world of Chaos, hence Nightbringer Yasuo winning previously, so to stop that from ever happening again he is shutting it down with an iron fist. Any thought of Chaos is met with total annihilation, as it's a threat to him and his order. But maybe I'm wrong and Garen is just Ass hat Mussolini.
: I think Jayce will prove strong in bot lane this meta
Jayce needs a frontline while being completely free of doing whatever he wants on the enemy. So, a 2vs2 lane where every1 is ranged and loaded with CCs isn't his best position. I'm saying Morde+Braum can be hurtful though.
: > [{quoted}](name=N1C Jeddy017,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=NPRrEv3Y,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-16T11:39:19.556+0000) > > You tell me who does milk 1st. I don't freaking know. I was just pulling shit out of my ass for a random, more comical VS event. Though, I could have went with something more debatable like "F for Flash vs D for Flash" or "Toilet Paper under vs Toilet Paper over", but screw it. Too late now. > > (Why am I not surprised that's 1st thing in my comment someone responds to?) Flash starts with an F not a D. Case closed.
https://news-a.akamaihd.net/public/images/pages/2016/february/f-fla/graph-byregion.jpg
xSpawnx (NA)
: Mord and Veigar ADC
Morde + Braum can be sort of devastating too. Anyway, last EU LCS matches we saw donger+fiddle botlane and after that Kai'Sa mid with smite, Taric "jungle", Janna and Karma bot, Cho'Gath top.
Risen29 (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Stars Shaper,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=TnkQHrpB,comment-id=00170000,timestamp=2018-06-16T11:41:25.769+0000) > > I'm repeating myself a lot but it seems like a good chunk of people won't care about reading the comments and the replies to them... > > The impression given is that Garen is on the far extreme of the Order spectrum and God complex while Darius is more in the grey zone, his intentions are mnostly directed into ending a tyrant's reign. You didn't answer my question; Where exactly are you getting these conclusions from? What can be stated as factually known about these characters from the information available versus what you are just making suppositions about? Many people are reading way more into this than you can get from the voice overs alone, unless there is some other backstory material put out there I'm not aware of. As I said, how they choose to interpret and read into this scenario reveals more about how they personally view God and satan than anything else.
The voice over of Garen is all about dissing every1 (even his allies) and self praising, it doesn't have anything that makes you think that his way might be worth preserving while Darius has both the unlikeable part about "the strong will feed on the weak" but also the "You are a tyrant, I will free the ppl!" side of the medal. Which is something that was so evident that I didn't think it needed an explanation especially since it got commented a lot in this thread already.
PaladinNO (EUNE)
: All I want from this VS event is the release of the final Order icon from last time: https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qo76vTf8wOk/WS9DHzVkkzI/AAAAAAABDuI/BXhrAKvmuLk4tn7BPjWbarrtyxLwi5FRACLcB/s1600/fc42083b7079ae68.jpg I'd really like to own it, as to me it's way better than any of the other VS event icons. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/uE3G94nX-now-that-the-vs-event-has-ended-order-icon
Yes I'd like this to become available too. What kept me away form order in that event was that I don't play Riven at all xD
: The similarities is striking
Next vs Event I want {{champion:44}} against {{champion:14}}
Risen29 (NA)
: Where is everyone getting all these conclusions from? There's hardly anything in the voice overs that would remotely lead you to all these conclusions about the characters, motives, and situations involved. This thread is interesting though, because it tells you more about where the individual is in their relationship to God, and how they view satan, based on how they choose to interpret Garen and Darius in relation to each other. The posters may be wildly inaccurate in their viewpoint, but it reveals what they believe.
I'm repeating myself a lot but it seems like a good chunk of people won't care about reading the comments and the replies to them... The impression given is that Garen is on the far extreme of the Order spectrum and God complex while Darius is more in the grey zone, his intentions are mnostly directed into ending a tyrant's reign.
: The thing is, in the typical "Freedom vs Justice" debate which is cropping up more and more in media as of late (e.g. Capt. America: Civil War); "Freedom" will always be seen as anarchistic by the opposing side, and "Justice" will be seen as tyrannical by it's opposition. Both have good points, and both have bad points, I like these events because they showcase both using their characters and how they typically react to one another. For God-King Garen, the philosophy is justice and unity behind a single figure. When people have a common goal and motivation it is so much easier get them to work together and respect one another, but the moment that falters things will go to hell, and so totalitarianism will tend to follow as a means of enforcing that unity. For God-King Darius, the philosophy is Freedom and competition. When people are constantly forced to improve themselves to survive it leads to substantial personal growth which can then be used as a basis of mutual respect, but what usually happens is that one person will get ahead and then cut down any threat they see to preserve themselves, again leading to totalitarianism. Basically, while Riven and Yasuo focused on the _concepts_ of Order and Chaos, Garen and Darius demonstrate how these concepts affect societies; and that both have exactly the same fatal flaw... Humanity.
And that's ok. In Civil War for example both sides are well explained. What I'm pissed off about here is that Garen is on the very extreme while Darius is more in the grey area.
SatomiKun (EUW)
: Technically, Garen offers peace.
But he never talks of peace, this is what we assume as contrast to Darius revolution.
BLT2121 (NA)
: his default skin looks amazing so its prob worth the wait.
My worries are on the thematic and the fact that Ashen Lord is rather low quality considering his base one.
Larriet (NA)
: The fact you think one side is so much more likeable is exactly the point of the event...
The issue is that what's more likeable is set almost objectively. Garen doesn't offer anything in his favor while Darius wants to destroy a tyrant.
: There's a family of crows hanging around outside my house
If they have a nest with hatchlings you better just live with it until they go away. Any attempt at making them go away will either fail or leave the hatchlings dieing of famine.
: My biggest issue with the skins is how much cooler darius' skin is while i don't play darius but i kinda like playing garen. Like the fucking axe animations are so rad, meanwhile garen looks like some shitty WoW bro. I have yet to listen to the voice lines but from what i understand from this thread garen is just a tyrant, this doesn't fit garen at all. that's not justice.
> [{quoted}](name=Jerry SeinfeId,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=TnkQHrpB,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-06-15T18:39:24.054+0000) > > My biggest issue with the skins is how much cooler darius' skin is while i don't play darius but i kinda like playing garen. > > Like the fucking axe animations are so rad, meanwhile garen looks like some shitty WoW bro. Now that you made me think about it... Look at this Paladin set from WoW xD http://us.media1.battle.net/cms/gallery/NMS6Z0XKX0N11316652505245.jpg Anyway, just some effects on the swor swing would have sufficed. It's still a cool skin.
SatomiKun (EUW)
: Alternative: can the next VS event please not be chaos vs order again? I was a bit disappointed that they let basically the same philosophies fight each other like last time. I think they should experiment with other philosophies. For example: tradition vs progress. One claims that we have to keep all tradition alive, new technology is avoided completely. The other wants to progress forward with new technology and stuff, but throwing away any tradition and our entire past.
This too. There are enough contrasts to make up in a Vs event.
: Yeah, Garen was pretty directly stated to be a tyrant, where Darius is more interpretation. I can agree with that. But... To an extend, doesn't the fact that you're finding one side more relatable mean Riot's goal is succesful. I dunno, I definetly think you brought up an interesting subject for discussion though. Personally, my reason for prefering the Darius skin over the Garen skin may or may not have been the fact that I'm a dog person, I'm always happy to discuss politics with folks (Though these boards don't allow that, so I don't do that here), but I didn't approach this event with a political mindset myself.
I don't think it's a succes because this feeling of mine is actively driven by how extremist (or not) are the characters involved.
: I mean, last year it seemed the opposite. Riven seemed more "listen guys, if you just do whatever you want, things will be awful. Some freedoms just aren't feasible for a working society." Yasuo, meanwhile, just seemed like a "I don't like the system, so we should tear it down," person. Riven seemed like a good guy. This year, Garen is keeping people down to keep them safe, while Darius wants a society where people have to suffer but can still go. Chaos seemed like the bad guy last year, while this year order certainly seems more villainous.
The primordial ones where more at the core of the issue each other and probably should have stayed like this with the added thematic of a kingdom.
: "My main goal is to crush the arrogant emperor and I have no idea how to run a country or feed people and it'll probably just degrade into anarchy and chaos and lots of people will die and it will be terrible" doesn't sound much better to me. Darius maybe more likable, but it doesn't mean he's more right; there's some interesting nuance in that tension, no?
But past the first "and" is all your own interpretation. There is no quote that involves even that he is an anarchist, he just wants to crush Garen kingdom. It would have been better if Garen actually told something along the lines of: "your victory will make the weak eaten by the strong" or "your reign is destruction without rebuilt". Bu there isn't. I want to stand for the Order, I always played Alliance in wow, the empire in Warhammer and I honestly don't like anarchy at all. But there s nothing likeable in this faction here.
: I mean... to a certain extent, I think it has to be pretty extreme for *anyone* to sympathize with Chaos. "I'm a just ruler who cares for his people and everyone can live in a free and egalitarian society and no one is sad and we all lived happily ever after" is pretty hard to argue with.
The thing is... - Darius attitude: I will crush your cage of an empire and kill you with it! - Garen attitude: I am the godly god of gods and each one of you is lesser scum. There is quite a difference in how much on the extremes are the two of them.
: Yes! ....wait then the joke would’nt work—um, no.... uh maybe? Crap, now I’m conflicted.
You can save both by making Runaan the actual Darkin and Varus being (maybe) the name he was called by Runeterrans.
: I mean, I think God King Darius is an anarchist? I think you're chosing between Anarchy and Tyrannie here, where I'd argue both are very dislikable scenarios.
From his quote he is just a revolutionist that has to answer the call of the ppl to defeat the tyrant. I don't think there is anything in his quotes giving any anarchist vibe either, it's just our interpretation. I've always been on the side of Order, even with the latest event I went with Yasuo side just because I never played Riven in my life while Yasuo is a character I like putting my hands on (if he ever passes the ban phase). And even like this, as a guy who despise anarchy and anarchists I come to the conclusion that Darius is more well rounded and more relatable than Garen who is just a chinese-like emperor-god full of himself. I mean.. Garen never EVER says that the world Darius wants is where the strong eats the weak, or a world where nothing can be build because any1 will be able to destroy it. He just goes on and on about how godly he is and how scummy is every1 else.
Rioter Comments
FeeNeeX (EUNE)
: I Shouldn't Be Triggered By A spinning Bay-blade But i am
I'm not partecipating at the event. I'm tired of seeing the "order" guys just being the biggest a-holes in the universe while the "chaos" ones are always more relatable and human than their counterpoarts while they should be as much as dislikeable.
Tialilia (EUW)
: Comfirmed skins for Aurelion Sol and Urgot in the next months
At this point I feel like I'll be extremely disappointed if the Aurelion Sol skin isn't worth the wait.
xAnbu (NA)
: Yorick summons Meeseeks?
#RenameGhoulsMist-seeks
: Why Ban Yasuo & Uncensored Testicles
#TESTICLES The community has built such a bad rep around Yasuo that he will always be top banned even if Riot reworks him into the most healthy and abalnced champion that was ever released. Yasuo isn't allowed to be good and any1 failing/being good at Yasuo is a noob, that's what the community thinks and will never change its attitude towards. As a mage player myself I don't ban Yasuo because I know how to play around him and because I know what his skill do, ppl just refuse to learn or to accept being outplayed. #TESTICES
remakoro (EUNE)
: When will RITO finally release lesbian character or couple?
: That's the running theme of the vs match ups so far. Order vs Chaos and it's many manifestations.
Then thing is that Order can be portrayed as a caretaking force that despises chaos or as a control enforcement inquisition-like force. Riot choses the latter almost always while leaves Chaos in a grey zone that leaves a far less negative vibe and has ALSO the "good side" of being the liberating force from a tyrannical domain.
: Riot has really failed in making both sides equally attractive in these vs events. The side of light and order always comes as oppresive and boring, and the light of darkness and chaos always comes out as liberating and cooler. Maybe it's just me, but I get the sensation that there is no equality in the level of the lines, in the sense that you don't see both sides of the argument as valid. The form {{champion:86}} talks about unity worshipping him, and {{champion:122}} talks of endless war against the tyrant kings and gods, really makes his side much more attractive, even with the pesky "endless war" motive in the middle.
I have the same feeling, Riot wants to cater to the rebellious youth instead of making both sides equally cool.
: Garen Special Interactios
And the good guy turns out to be another control freak with god complex while the bad guy is still the most relatable one. Wow, such innovation, very unique, much improvement.
Hayaishi (NA)
: I hope Varus' personality isn't completely deleted with his new VO.
I swear, the only way I can tolerate the word "Heartlight" is with Varus mocking them by saying that it's flickering/dissipating or something like that. Any word from the 2 inclusion tools will have me request to have a way to shut up only the VO of the character without gimping any other sound.
: > [{quoted}](name=Stars Shaper,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=24A5baIw,comment-id=00040002,timestamp=2018-06-13T07:05:08.566+0000) > > Talyah has a crush on Ekko... totally gay! You don't have to be gay to not be straight. Read this: https://eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/champions-skins/champion-preview/champion-insights-taliyah-stoneweaver She's at least bi, if not pan.
> [{quoted}](name=TricolorStar,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=24A5baIw,comment-id=000400020000,timestamp=2018-06-13T23:39:54.679+0000) > > You don't have to be gay to not be straight. Read this: > https://eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/champions-skins/champion-preview/champion-insights-taliyah-stoneweaver > She's at least bi, if not pan. In which part does it talk about her sexuality? > [{quoted}](name=Jambajewz,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=24A5baIw,comment-id=000400020001,timestamp=2018-06-14T09:16:48.627+0000) > > Isn't Taliyah a kid? Yes but 16-years-old is quite enough to have your real crushes.
Wanfear (NA)
: I'm a level 8 Ezreal with 988 max HP. He's a level 8 Pyke.
Not saying that damage isn't all over the place... but maybe you should save that http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/365/818/183.jpg
Mogarl (NA)
: Yes. That was the biggest problem easily. They should have just used a made up word.
No, the issue was that the whole plot of the comics was: "Oh my lover..." and some sporadic lore informations.
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