: > [{quoted}](name=rewt127,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mfWOf8jF,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-10-31T08:15:58.819+0000) > > Its either Dog shit. or Straight busted. There is no in between. > > Morde was strong enough to do it without having to be a main and know his kit inside and out. Was oppressive as fuck. got nerfed. > > Fizz. we all know this one. > > Now Viktor. > > My question is why is this archtype never balanced. It is always to one side or the other. Simple. Either the bases are high and it's easy to get a lead. Or the scalings are high and you never get a lead to use said scalings. Entire game is over at 10 minutes these days. Look at bot lane and compare Kai'sa to Vayne. Both or "meh" early but Kai'sa is still much stronger in early lane before first back thus can get her foot in the door. Vayne rarely does. Sure at 40 minutes Vayne is hella good... but Kai'sa ended the game with Stormrazor/Rageblade at 22 minutes. Fizz/Ekko were great when they had base damage... now you almost never see them because they don't make it out of lane.
> [{quoted}](name=The Bad Touch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mfWOf8jF,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-10-31T08:19:02.447+0000) > > Simple. Either the bases are high and it's easy to get a lead. Or the scalings are high and you never get a lead to use said scalings. > > Entire game is over at 10 minutes these days. > > Look at bot lane and compare Kai'sa to Vayne. Both or "meh" early but Kai'sa is still much stronger in early lane before first back thus can get her foot in the door. Vayne rarely does. Sure at 40 minutes Vayne is hella good... but Kai'sa ended the game with Stormrazor/Rageblade at 22 minutes. > > Fizz/Ekko were great when they had base damage... now you almost never see them because they don't make it out of lane. You don't need a 40 minute Vayne. Bork + Rageblade Vayne already destroys everyone , and if she farms well, picks up a kill or two , she will have those items by 20 minutes.
Rioter Comments
: I thought the problem with Viktor was his MS/Shield from Q not his overall damage?
The actual problem is him not running out of mana due to inspiration tbh. His base numbers are definetely too high though, when building straight tank Similar case to tank Ekko or Bruiser / Tank Fizz in the past. Nerfing his base damage and upping his ap scalings would probably fix him to force him to build AP if he wants to do.damage.
: what makes your favorite champion your favorite?
{{champion:122}} because he is really manly and badass. Lore wise he is that one guy that gets shit done and is not afraid to get his hands dirty for his ideals. Also his ult has been visually and thematically my favorite since season 3. No other ult in the game really brings me as much satisfaction as leaping in the air, and slicing multiple people in half with a huge ass axe. {{champion:555}} ult comes close to this when I have to play support, but my boy {{champion:122}} is still nr1.
: > [{quoted}](name=RuFiot,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8asIXPHn,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-10-03T23:29:39.533+0000) > > Do you like the soft touch of your keyboard on your face? If so, she is really worth playing, face rolling for 20 min stright till they ff hmm so fun. > > About the Yasuo comparison, I don't play Fiora that much but I did play yasuo a lot, I think her trades are much easier/safer and she is having easier time vs other melees > > If you are searching for a champion to learn, Camille is really fun, for me at least, and her roams/ganks are effective I'm not looking for a new champ, but thanks. I don't use my Riot's servers and play mostly on my Garena account which I can't carry here. Riot's servers have terrible ping in Asian countries.
Your spot on for the most part. Some glaring flaws with Fiora: 1) Her laning phase is weak. She struggles against ranged characters, bruiser match ups are usually either 50/50 or unfavored to Fiora, and ironically majority of tanks destroy Fiora in lane quite well till she gets 2~3 items, simply because they have higher base damage, and easy counter itenization. 2) Her core is super expensive. Unlike most other bruisers that powerspikes at 1 item( cleaver or Trinity rush), Fiora needs Hydra + Trinity, to be relevant. (Unless she is super fed, which she shouldn't be since her laning is weak) And you can't take shortcuts like other bruisers and just get tiamat into trinity. That doesn't work on Fiora because her passive scales hard with raw ad and going tiamat into triforce, would leave her with very little raw ad for a long time plus a really awkward and shitty build path. By the time you complete your core most games are already decided. 3) No teamfight presence, even when compared to other splitpushers like Jax , Camille, Irelia etc. She can't dive carries unless they are super mispositioned, because she gets cced and dies. She could help kill tank in theory, but one cc thrown her way and she explodes, and it's not just hard cc, a simple slow can ruin Fiora's performance in a tf, because she needs to constantly move to proc vitals.
: Blame it on LoL's culture that everything is reportable.
> [{quoted}](name=Sacred Math,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=t2XZaupt,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-10-03T06:25:14.256+0000) > > Blame it on LoL's culture that everything is reportable. I miss option to report someone for being „unskilled player”.
Rioter Comments
: "Pyke can't be a support!"
{{item:3071}} {{item:3047}} {{item:3156}} {{item:3142}} {{item:3147}} {{item:3814}} ,juicy Pyke build.
: Why League won't die unless...
Regarding other mobas being easy to play, I never tried anything outside of League to compare but.. League is brain dead easy to play.. Hell it got to the point where it matters less how you play, and more what champion you play. And to top it offf strongest damage dealers are not actually champions that have skillshots, but champions that right click you to win with unavoidable homing attacks aka most adcs. Idk I played League, since season 3 with occasional breaks inbetween, and the game , has been getting dumber and dumber in my eyes over the years. The fact that every new champion they design, is more and more overloaded, than the previous one does not help either. I have been getting into fighting game genre , while taking break from league, and it was like a cure from cancer that league gave me. Tons of skill expression, meta matters a lot less, when I lose, I know I lost fair and square and not because of the random shit that is outside of my control, like majority of League's matches. And finnaly in fighting genre you can actually make a comeback, once you figure out and read your oponnent , even if you get trashed at the start of a fight. In league games are decided by a few early mistakes / plays, within first 10 minutes, with almost no chance to comeback for the loosing team.
: lucian's main problem (balance-wise) is his mobility which gives him constant self-peel. marksmen already have a support on standby waiting to heal, shield, and peel for them. lucian and a few other marksmen push this level of safety even further by having lots of mobility. The result from all of these levels of safety heavily skews which champions are viable because half the cast of champions cannot reach them unless the marksman and support mess up. It's the kalista dilemma all over again. lucian has been the generalist adc for forever because riot won't give him a strategic gameplay identity with a real weakness.
{{champion:18}} .
: How are some people so insanely good at this game?
Play easy and effective champions like {{champion:1}} for example. Instead of wasting time learning overly complicated mechanics, you will focus on improving your decision making and macro mechanics, which will help you alot more in a long run. It actually pisses me off seeing bronze/ silver player trying to play something like {{champion:64}} , when at their level they should be looking to play champions like {{champion:19}} etc. As for your teammates randomly fighting/ getting caught and dieing, yeah it will happen more or less in every elo, you can't prevent this. What you can prevent is not getting yourself baited and dieing in stupid fights trying to save them. Think of it as living to fight another day.
PsiXeya (EUW)
: Adaptive helmet as Nasus against teemo.
Probably makes sense, regardless you will probably end up building {{item:3065}} later on, or some hybrid armor/ mr item like {{item:3512}} , because they will usually have ap mid aswell.
Troxic (NA)
: Urgot is ridiculous
You should have seen how rediculous he was with fervor before the rune changes. I was winning more with him last season when he had global 46% winrate, than I do now.
: {{champion:236}} You mean when this guy was also in the meta and basically a ranged fighter ? {{champion:96}} Or also this guy being able to 1v5 with 3 items not so long ago ? (When he was able to have 5.00AS) {{champion:222}} Or when she's in the meta is basically right click lord when she gets a single kill during a tf ? {{champion:110}} Or this guy either being Kog'maw 2.0 or AD Xerath ? {{champion:42}} Or this guy being a one-shot machine and replaced mages mid because he could basically do their job 2 times better ? {{champion:51}} Or this girl who can 2 shot you if you walk on a trap and was dominating teamfights thanks to her 2k+ crits ? {{champion:67}} Or this girl who is supposed to be a tank shredder but is basically a ranged assassin ? {{champion:81}} Or this guy breaking tons of items because he can abuse them, being broken and ruining other classes after the removal / gut of this item ? The class itself is a problem, stop fooling yourself Edit : Lmao downvote without explanation. You know this is true
Rexxiee (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Sujiren,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zKt70nAH,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-01-28T18:16:39.872+0000) > > Tank team comps only work, because of insane hyper carries like {{champion:18}} {{champion:96}} {{champion:29}}. You could legit play 3 tanks like {{champion:201}} {{champion:113}} {{champion:57}} and some supportive midlaner like {{champion:61}} and that {{champion:18}} is just never gonna die in those fights, while killing everybody. > Now imagine you had {{champion:202}} as your adc, that team would not work if game is even somewhat close. That is just completely false. Back when the meta was lethality adcs with mf/jhin/varus in every game tanks were still spammed. Nice try though.
If both teams had lethality adcs, then both teams are in.exact same spot though. Now if one side had {{champion:202}} and 3 tanks, the other{{champion:18}} and 3 tanks, pretty clear which team would win if game went past 30min.
Rexxiee (NA)
: Wouldnt it be cool if tanks were an optional class?
Tank team comps only work, because of insane hyper carries like {{champion:18}} {{champion:96}} {{champion:29}}. You could legit play 3 tanks like {{champion:201}} {{champion:113}} {{champion:57}} and some supportive midlaner like {{champion:61}} and that {{champion:18}} is just never gonna die in those fights, while killing everybody. Now imagine you had {{champion:202}} as your adc, that team would not work if game is even somewhat close.
: I had a nasus save a game I was for sure thinking we would lose, then the next game lost to a nasus on the enemy team.
Coincidence? I think not.
: Life of a Challenger player with gifs
Laughed at the „ low challenger ” part, thats actually hilarious, I gues someone will always talk shit , unless your numero uno.
: Jinx had changes to make her better in high elo without being overbearing in low elo
Most champs that used fervor are barely viable. People like {{champion:114}} take kleptomancy , because you know, you have like 0 solo kill pressure in lane without fervor so might aswell get your items faster and play for midgame.
datfatguy (OCE)
: What is it with mage supports and carrying games?
Those 3 have high base damage, so they can do crap load of damage with just {{item:3020}} {{item:3151}} throw in a {{item:3135}} into the mix and someone like {{champion:63}} will do significant damage due to his passive ( even to tanks) with just those 3 items.
: What to do if your team does alright but you are feeding?
At that point you can do nothing, you already lost lane after dieing 3 times. Your best bet is to get any cs that you can without getting punished and try to roam. Ideally you should not be dieing solo (1 vs1) situation like ever, and if you do die, you should start building defensively if possible, and start playing safe and try to recover. What I mean by„ safe” you don't go for cs unless it's safe to get it, you don't want to lose 50% hp going for 1 minion. Ideally just stay in range for exp and cs under turret, while trying to keep your hp as high as possible. On short,after first death you can usually still solo recover by building correctly and playing smart, but if you die more than that, im afraid your only chance to get back into the game is 1) Roam 2) Get a jungle gank (Junglers hate ganking loosing lanes, since its risky ) 3) Pray that your team carries you, and try to be as useful as you can be in tfs.
: > [{quoted}](name=Sujiren,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=zGsEmbGw,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-01-25T04:17:03.179+0000) > > What about Yamcha? Was he ever strong in the first place
> [{quoted}](name=SpiralBlack,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=zGsEmbGw,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-01-25T05:20:00.627+0000) > > Was he ever strong in the first place Pretty sure he was stronger than krillin in first dragonball series. He just never made far in tournaments, because he always fought some of the strongest people at the start. He fought roshi in first tournament, tien in second, kami in third.
Skorch (NA)
: Assassins, as a whole, ARENT weak. Their targets are just too strong.
{{champion:96}} +{{champion:117}} means kog can press his w, right click and basically go afk for 20 seconds, and return to see that he aced enemy team.
Jamaree (NA)
: 24 hours until Monster Hunter World
Dragonball fighterz coming on 26th aswell :)
Skorch (NA)
: Assassins, as a whole, ARENT weak. Their targets are just too strong.
I miss crit zed and crit talon. {{item:3153}} {{item:3142}} {{item:3036}} {{item:3031}} {{item:3111}} {{item:3026}} , were the good old days for {{champion:238}} , not even tanks could fight him, and tanks were a lot stronger then compared to now.
: does draven use trinity force?
I would consider selling my boots for it lategame.
Asterfix (NA)
: Lee Sin is an allegory for Tien Shinhan
Kailous (NA)
: Nasus and Illaoi
{{champion:420}} , is merely a lane bully that punishes people who do not respect her. She is level 6 and just landed her E? Don't freaking fight her even if its 2 vs 1, unless your both tanky/ can chain cc her, or just fed in general, you actually need to use your brain cells when fighting her. {{champion:75}} on the other hand is just slightly overtuned right now, mostly because his ult was overbuffed and it gives him way too much stats, way too early into the game, (Seriously hp, resists, damage over time, 50% cdr on Q), which means that a level 6{{champion:75}} that rushed {{item:3057}} , can probably already kick your ass in an all in.
Leylania (EUW)
: Let me rant just for a second how I've met a "NiceGuy". Again.
I stopped adding people from ranked in general for similar reasons. Like I care about ranked, I try my best to win, but shit we all fuck up now and then,Im not gonna unfriend my buddies just because they fed their ass off in one of the duo q games. Just ganna laugh it off and play another. Majority of people I met in ranked would immediatelly ask for a duo, we would win a few, but as soon as we lose like 1 game they unfriend. I don't like people who only want to use me as a means to climb. On short, I don't reccomend adding people from ranked, like ever.
saltran (EUW)
: English isn't my main lenguaje so can I ask what do you mean with "..he is super gay to lane..."?
: So picking darius is a coinflip. Shocker. almost like all of toplane right now.
{{champion:41}} ,{{champion:75}} are the highest winrate toplaners, everything else is more or less a coinflip still, yes.
: Orrn was at 48% pre-nerf.
{{champion:516}} , had that winrate, because he is not a very good champion outside of laning phase... Yes he is super gay to lane against as a melee, especially when he rushes cdr and spams w non stop, but his teamfights are not that amazing. His cc is not guaranteed to land or is that easy to apply compared to {{champion:57}} and his damage falls off by midgame ( % hp damage is not very effective against ad carries ) Especially true in low elos, your average {{champion:516}} will win lane, and then lose game, because he has no idea what he is doing outside of mashing w key.
Ralanr (NA)
: “Kill you with ult” To kill you at such a close range with his ults base damage, you’d frankly wouldn’t be at a high health to begin with. So I don’t see how Sion killing a low health target with his ult is a valid complaint. Even at max level, Sion’s full charge base damage on his ult is only 1200 physical damage. No AD to beef it up, at with base armor (which I believe reduces physical damage by 30%) that’s only 840 physical damage (if I did my math right. Which is up for debate). A lot, but not enough to kill anyone alone and already extremely easy to predict. So again, I don’t see how you dying to Sion’s ult is a valid complaint. For that ult to straight up kill you, you need to be low already.
Not to mention {{champion:14}} ult is the easiest thing to dodge in the game. It even warns you when he ults, just start walking to the side immediately and he will miss it.
Antenora (EUW)
: Riot had a smart idea to buff the hell out of Aftershock as well. XD
Antenora (EUW)
: Riot had a smart idea to buff the hell out of Aftershock as well. XD
Aftershocks damage was lowered in exchange for better tankyness, and it was modified to fit bruiser playstyles better. {{champion:254}} might be hella strong with it now, in midgame, although she will have to sacrifice the early gank power of electrolute.
: Extremely disappointed by Meddler's answer about top lane
Well {{champion:122}} is at 50% winrate right now, not saying he is great, but hes playable
: So no one else noticed how the changed Grasp of the Undying
Grasp is already op, in the early laning phase of melee vs melee, it's pretty much impossible to outtrade grasp.
Rioter Comments
: Am I at a Disadvantage because I don't Talk?
Nah people don't give a damn about being 'nice” in game, unless your sucking up to someones ego, by telling them how good they are. People who usually get honored are usually the ones who made some good plays that was seen by other players, have good looking kda, and did not talk smack in chat, so playing well, and not typing in chat almost guarantees honors. In regards to honor level, Its less about how many honors you get every game and more about how many games you play in general (grind). Last season I was stuck at honor 3, then 4 for a long time not playing more than 2~3 games a day, then for like two weeks I played crap load of games every day and randomly got honor 5. Hope this information helps you.
Tomosima (EUNE)
: Olaf just got Olafed
Olaf maxes Q anyway though. By the time your using e in trades you probably don't care about minion damage.
: Why are some Tanks better assassin's than the real Assassin's?
The unseen {{champion:54}} is the deadliest. I personally consider {{champion:54}} more of an ap bruiser, than tank, he does not have enough hard cc to justify full tank build. Its much more fun to build something like {{item:3068}} {{item:3110}} {{item:3001}} {{item:3020}} {{item:3151}} and one shot entire enemy team with ult, while still being a tanky boy.
: I just played a game with 5 tanks and the demolish rune
Haha the other day on my smurf account I was vs enemy team that had {{champion:44}} ,{{champion:89}} bot , both used aftershock and double relic start vs my {{champion:236}} {{champion:12}} . Our bot actually got annihilated, and we lost that game. Not even mad for loosing that one though, it's actually hilarious that people can pull off , random strategies like that and succeed. Can't wait for no adc team comps to finnaly become a thing.
: In short games, it's disturbing that nasus is unstoppable.
You have to understand that the last buff he got was massive.{{champion:75}} used to be shit first 15-20 minutes back in the day, but now you basically just have to survive with him till level 6, at that point if you have a {{item:3057}} you will probably win level 6 all in vs most toplaners, since his dps is now doubled during ult. These new runes are also perfect for him, even when klepto will get nerfed, he will still be powerful as fuck with grasp, I played him with that and had great results aswell.
: {{champion:107}} top 1.5% playrate {{champion:5}} jg 2.12% playrate {{champion:427}} jg 1.05% playrate {{champion:77}} jg 1.84% platerate {{champion:136}} mid 1.47% playrate {{champion:9}} mid 0.8% playrate {{champion:26}} mid 1.3% playrate do these needs nerfs lol!
{{champion:5}} is op tbh, others are probably mostly played by one tricks.
: Why does no one play zilean
I personally don't play him, because I am terrible with timing his ult, and I also have settings set up that all the spells are self casted on me unless I click on allied champion, and since I also use quick cast, I don't always know the range of my ult. What happens in some games I end up ulting myself like an idiot instead of my ally, because I misjudged my range, because of this particular set up. Other than that I think he is a beast, I remmember playing a game where enemy had multiple carries and a {{champion:26}} ,it was legit impossible to win. They had {{champion:26}} mid, {{champion:84}} top, and {{champion:11}} jungle , with {{champion:18}} adc, all of which need to be hard focused, but every time we would focus down 1 dude he would just get revived at the last second by {{champion:26}} and we would lose every teamfight. I actually think he is one of the sleeper op champions, just lacks popularity.
Rioter Comments
: Is lcs boring as sh*t to anyone else too ?
Last time I watched lcs was season 5, when {{champion:122}} {{champion:114}} and {{champion:41}} were being played in worlds, while {{champion:82}} was banned entire duration of the tournament.
Doozku (NA)
: Anyone wondering why Teemo suddenly became a decent pick the last few weeks and no one is complaining? https://i.imgur.com/JGqITks.jpg
Poske (EUNE)
: I agree that riven is good because she is broken if mastered Fiora got her nerf basicly reverted + its tank meta aka fiora is good Cammile has no counterplay. She doesnt even keed a keystone she still has no counterplay and they made her even have less counterplay with latest buff which I didnt think was possible #The fact that cammile offers no counterplay wont be obvious to majority. But I recently made a post about this everyone was enlighted I made countless threads complaining about toplane and bruiser situation I am on the OP side his examples and thoughts on how to fix situation are incorrect hwoever
Except {{champion:114}} loses in lane to majority of tanks, especially if jungler gets involved. Tell me more about how {{champion:114}} bullies that poor poor {{champion:57}} or {{champion:54}} out of the lane. In the past tanks atleast ran out of mana, so you could oom them, and then force them out of lane eventually. Now they basically spam rotations on cd as if it was urf and never oom themselfes. {{item:3076}} is ironically the least of {{champion:114}} worries. Most tanks I faced just rush {{item:3047}} , and then they practically win every short trade, becausė grasp and aftershock are insane in short trades, if you try to all in them with ult, they just throw any of their multiple cc abilities, and walk away, or straight up stand next to a wall covering their vital and fight you. Sure you will outscale them in a duel by like two items, if you are not behind, but at that point tank can just sit under turret and waveclear, while still being a lot more useful in a teamfight.
Sanngriðr (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=redniwediS,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LTMxGH15,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-01-20T22:02:32.667+0000) > > Can we go back to the fighter/support bot lane days? Even if it's just for a week? I want Ali/Yas bot vs Blitz Darius.
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