: It's amazing how I gotta work hard to do dmg, then I see ADC's right click for 600 crit.
It's amazing when as Xerath you're aiming and hitting all your skillshots but the enemy adc gets full hp with {{item:3072}} simply by RIGHTCLICKING.
Rioter Comments
: I waited until preseason like you asked
I love how they said he was good in soloq and yet he was picked many many many times in worlds
: There's a joke I'd like to say involving a big version of someone else, but I'm not sure I'd get away saying it without a ban
> [{quoted}](name=2nd Chance,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=U8Ao5eco,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-10-13T02:03:27.509+0000) > > There's a joke I'd like to say involving a big version of someone else, but I'm not sure I'd get away saying it without a ban Plase tell me that joke I'm curious foget about the ban and yolo it
: They are waiting for runes reforged before making any changes
We have been waiting a year for Twitch nerfs, ofc now they're gonna use runes reforged as an excuse for their incompetence
Rexxiee (NA)
: im tired of having to ban twitch
Omfg same. I've been banning Twitch like EVERY SINGLE GAME. So fucking tired of the balance team this season I actually stopped playing as much as I did before. I swear to god this season wasn't the worst but FOR SURE it was garbage in terms of balance and pro play with its diversity just reflects that.
: such bad taste take that kid off
Abibyama (EUW)
: Not saying that twitch isn’t OP but complaining with any constructive reasoning is not the same as “nErF tWitcH1!1” And I’m more like this https://media3.giphy.com/media/l0MYCY14qJvUXO4eI/giphy.gif
> complaining with any constructive reasoning is not the same as “nErF tWitcH1!1” Just like complaining without giving any constructive reasoning is not the same as wanting upvotes. Some people don't want to be famous on the boards, they genuinely want Twitch to get nerfed. If you watch GripaAviara's profile you'll see he's not 24/7 on the boards commenting and jumping on bandwagons so commenting "Upvote farming simulator 2017: ADC edition" is completely bullshit. I bet he/she couldn't care less about upvotes.
Abibyama (EUW)
: Upvote farming simulator 2017: ADC edition
Yeah because complaints about Twitch being overpowered for over a year CANNOT be genuine complaints anymore, it must be an "upvote farming simulator".
: I keep asking this same question and have yet to get an answer that made sense.
Wait what did he say? I remember this guy from this iconic thread https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/1oXkyJAq-i-was-right-about-camille-shes-absolutely-a-feminist-orientatedinspired-character and now I'm curious what he had to say about Eve lmao
Almighty (EUNE)
: Blackthorn Morgana is NOT worth 1350RP.
Wildfire Zyra 1350 lmaoooo It's not like her standard version is x1000 better than that ugly ass skin
Frøsted (EUNE)
: 1. You are cute ( <3) 2. You wasted 2 Q and 1 W... 3. I agree, she has huge mana problems especially in the early game. It gets better once you have some items.
thats not me lmao... thats painless a challenger support player
: The more I dwell on it, the more I hate Sona's current state. I want a rework.
I 100% agree. I used to main Sona and she's D O G S H I T. Nothing else, just DOGSHIT and I tried to like her but her kit is just... DOGSHIT. She has one of the most beautiful themes and yet she's one of the corniest champions in League. Sona is the actual definition of "wasted potential". https://youtu.be/RbO4YWnQXSI?t=122 and listen here, Rakan (and Bard) are better musicians than Sona who is supposed to be a musician while they're not. This alone tells you how bad Sona is right now.
: Sona has bigger mana issues than Nami to the point where when she was played at worlds, she built tear *immediately* after Censer. Mana is an early gate. You're gonna oom sometimes.
That is true but I feel like Nami's mana costs are exaggerated, especially her E. For how little her E does (25 / 40 / 55 / 70 / 85 (+ 20% AP) and how little it slows (15 / 20 / 25 / 30 / 35% (+ 5% per 100 AP) it costs way too much (55 / 60 / 65 / 70 / 75 MANA) to the point where people in challenger have been maxing Q second. But it's probably just me, I just hate feeling impotent. Anyway I know you and I like you, hope you're having a great day:) we talked many times here before I stopped attending these toxic boards full of sheeps in rat's clothing.
Rioter Comments
: Season 7 has been the most stressful season of all
The only good things s7 brought were VGUs, skins and lores. The rest is complete garbage and emotes reassured me that this game is just going downhill, at least for me.
: Good patch btw
> Balance team not doing their job? I mean what were you expecting from the same team that thought {{item:3504}} wasn't going to be strong anyway even with the latest changes and let's not forget when they "nerfed" Janna by "nerfing" everything else expect her E which was the main problem. Also {{champion:29}} has been dominating soloQ for a year now and he still hasn't been nerfed. Not to mention the iconic "Ekko fares pretty well against mages when his cooldowns are up, so we’re giving him the tools to engage more often." I will always remember this season for being the worst season I've ever played in. The only good things in s7 were VGUs, lores and skins.
: Depends on the mid laner. Ideally: 1. You are able to push your lane in. 2. The lane you want to gank is being pushed in by the other team. 3. Your jungler is heading that way as well. 4. The lane you are ganking for can snowball or you want to shut down a champ that can snowball while you still can.
Thank you for the advice.
: You can roam after getting a kill, or even nearly killing your opponent. You can also roam after shoving a big wave to their turret. Here's a really sneaky way to roam that's pretty cheese, But roam after you base, don't show yourself in your lane, and roam through the JG to a lane. They won't have any clue unless warded. And usually, they won't ping the MIA till it's too late. Other than that, the rest is fully situational. But if you want to force a roam, the above is how.
Thanks for the advice.
: After you force someone out of lane or push a wave at them while they are low hp - giving you time to go places and come back without them murdering your tower.
But isn't it better if I poke the low hp enemy undertower trying to farm? I could get a kill and he could lose some minions while trying to dodge my skillshots Edit: Ok I get it now... if I roam I can get a kill and the enemy can lose some minions anyway so it's just better. Thanks btw for the advice
Rioter Comments
Buffy (NA)
: Janna Has More PBE Nerfs On The Way
Rip my beloved Janna. Ofc they had to torture her instead of removing these garbage designs {{item:3504}} {{item:3301}}
: Season 5 maybe was not perfect but it was fun..
S5 also had lots of champs diversity. Every support was viable and most of them were equally good, now enchanters have been dominating since support itemization got updated. There was lots of diversity mid too, now you either pick a burst mage or {{champion:163}} {{champion:4}} and gank bot so your ADC gets fed. The only good things this season had were skins, lores, splash arts and VGUs, the rest of this season was garbage along with all the shitty champions it brought ({{champion:164}}{{champion:498}} were probably the only champions I liked, {{champion:427}} {{champion:516}} {{champion:141}} {{champion:497}} were dogshit no offense).
: A cool nami buff idea
Honestly I'm living for this. Whenever I use her ult I don't feel powerful, I don't feel the strength of water. Elementalist Lux's R in water form gives me a better feeling of "destructive water stream" but Nami's R just fails to make me feel like I'm playing the tidecaller.
: Im sorry, the old Evelyn can't come to the phone right now...why? Cuz she's dead !!
Omfg wtf is wrong with people who don't even get the meme. Look what you made me do was a shitty song, ok, but why are people ignoring gay memes seriously this shit needs to stop
: Why does new Eve look so spidery?
I agree. She looks like a Bratz or some shit like that in the new splash art. I'm kind of surprised because they've never disappointed me with splash arts but now they did.
inplane (NA)
: Weekly reminder that Taliyah's W is still missing a proper targeting indicator.
Seriously Riot should be ashamed for this. I actually for the first time in my life upvoted you twice with another account, it is absolutely ridiculous that it is taking so long for such a little change. Also, vector cast should be fucking removed. None asked for it and many people complained about it and stopped playing the champ right after that stupid uncalled change.
Meddler (NA)
: Quick Gameplay Thoughts: September 20
Hey, do you have anything to say about {{champion:267}}? I feel like she's really balanced but compared to other enchanters you're kinda making the game harder for yourself when you play Nami. One of the reasons why it's because she's extremely unforgiving, especially when it comes to her mana problems. Could she get some kind of buff to her W? Or could she get more mana regen after pre season hits with the new runes? I don't know if I'll be able to enjoy this champ without my mana regen quints.
: Lol the ignorance of low elo
These people are like "Nah Garen isn't bad" and get upvoted. Meanwhile a guy with 1800 games on Garen said Garen is the worst juggernaut and got a lot of upvotes https://media.giphy.com/media/NORFfJzhC6iPe/200.gif
Abibyama (EUW)
: Yeah let's the boards balance instead. What could go wrong?
: Well it's still better then leaving her as a shield and heal bot that presses q from time to time
Part of what you said is true, but Riot could have taken another approach with Janna. Trying to make Janna interactive with a 18/16/14/12/10 seconds shield (and she only gets 10 seconds shield when she reaches level 9 aka when the laning phase is over/almost over and enchanters stop poking) just doesn't make sense.
: Your Shop got me thinking about my problem with skins
Janna changes are gonna make me stop playing Janna, and you know what's sad? I spent 15€ for forecast Janna and now I won't play Janna anymore. I love Janna, I love her kit, quotes, lore etc... I was expecting a W complete rework + a passive mini/complete rework with a big E nerf, instead, they made Lulu 2.0. Your reasons and this one are also why I stopped buying skins. I'd like to keep supporting the game buying something I like, but it's just not worth for skins anymore.
: Twitch has been terrorizing solo queue all season and has an amazing winrate in pros
People have been complaining about Twitch ever since the assassin rework went live and he still hasn't been touched, Brand getting mana refund on W when he clears minion waves with his W->E combo, Janna changes... there's so much bullshit here that I won't even talk about those. Just the fact that they are trying to make Janna interactive with an 18/16/14/12/10 sec shield + Ivern buffs when he had 51% win rate assured me that the balance team is BEYOND clueless. Also, let's not forget the iconic "Ekko fares pretty well against mages when his cooldowns are up, so we’re giving him the tools to engage more often." Kalista can get nerfed because she doesn't deserve to be viable but Lee Sin can get some buffs whenever he isn't dominating the jungle in both pro play and soloq.
: Today i was called a "Thresh god" by an ally
Sona and Lulu = Nunu. At least your teammates say "gj raka" when you ult at the right time and you save them from that 1v1 they wouldn't have won without your ult. Also you got downvoted by Sona, Soraka and Lulu mains and I'm laughing because of it lol
: I think im going to bookmark this thread, and then when that day comes, redirect folks here just for giggles :^)
I did the same. Just waiting for ardent to get deleted from the game so the meta will shift and for people to complain about how {{champion:201}} makes melee lives hell, how {{champion:89}} can ult you, base and come back to lane with her ult being already up and how {{champion:12}} dives you without taking damage. And let's not forget about {{champion:412}} being "the lee sin of bot lane". I'm just waiting for it.
: @Riot - I'm not sure these changes to Janna and Ardent Censor make sense...
I would welcome it if these changes actually made sense. Pushing Janna towards autoattacking while also increasing her shield cooldown to 18/16/14/12/10 seconds barely makes sense. She's never gonna trade simply because her shield will always be used to save her ADC from poke, and that's the reason people pick Janna and enchanters in general. These changes are just Soraka over and over again, where they tried to make Soraka interactive by giving her W an 8 second cooldown lmao. Between current Ardent and Janna changes + Brand getting mana back from killing minions with W (when he doesn't because he kills minions by using his W and then E) I think the balance team is clueless.
Poske (EUNE)
: Anivia only deserves nerfs She has been consistently peeking She is challenger/master tier midlaner without bad matchups if played well
Anivia is hiddenly op. Also that champ is annoying as fuck
: > [{quoted}](name=Swarovsko,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gIy3na8N,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-09-18T01:22:10.318+0000) > > but the fact that they **DOUBLED** the cooldown on her shield 10 x 2 = 18 Yep. This is NA alright.
I thought it was 9 sec but whatever. Also what's with the downvotes lmao? you just said something correct
: Janna needs a VGU in the future imo
VU with a complete W and a mini passive rework*. Q, E and R are fine.
: > [{quoted}](name=Swarovsko,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=emeK0AKX,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2017-09-18T02:52:07.877+0000) > > I remember when they nerfed the shit out of Karma because {{item:3174}} could&#x27;ve been op on her and they nerfed {{champion:427}} in the same patch for the same reason. Karma is now at 45% win rate and didn&#x27;t receive any buff while Ivern with 51% win rate got buffed. Also, Ryze is getting a rework before Karma. Those Ivern buffs were so pathetic they made me laugh. It's worlds patch. Anything on the cusp of Viability is going to get a slight nudge in hopes that we get to see them in worlds. Anything farther from the tree, would be much more difficult to buff into contention, without completely overshooting the mark.
Wasn't worlds patch the last patch? I honestly thought esports were over since I don't watch them and barely log in on Twitch.tv
: NItpicky? No we are fucking sick of half the roster being in the dumpster+this cancer meta and riot buffs someone who doesn't need it because errr oh yeah he can abuse this cancer meta as well.
I remember when they nerfed the shit out of Karma because {{item:3174}} could've been op on her and they nerfed {{champion:427}} in the same patch for the same reason. Karma is now at 45% win rate and didn't receive any buff while Ivern with 51% win rate got buffed. Also, Ryze is getting a rework before Karma. Those Ivern buffs were so pathetic they made me laugh.
: > [{quoted}](name=i am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=emeK0AKX,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2017-09-17T19:10:02.603+0000) > > yeah xd, he can only rush athen and ardent now!!! buff 51% pls yeah, ardent and athene's... if people were not already picking him there is zero reason to pick him now. You seem very salty about this for no reason other than being salty for no reason
People are not picking Anivia either, that doesn't mean she deserves buffs.
Buffy (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Swarovsko,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gIy3na8N,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-09-18T01:26:28.631+0000) > > I don&#x27;t think her shield is the problem. I remind you that before support itemization+ADC meta and coin buffs happened she had 51% win rate. Riot's issue is that it causes attrition. Whether or not it's overpowered might not indicate whether her shield is healthy for the game. Being able to shield spam your ADC whenever its up causes lane to be really stale, and I can see why they'd want to nerf its early game power (though it begs the question why they're fine with other supports doing pretty much the same thing). I do agree coin is definitely a huge part of the problem though, and it's artificially inflating Janna's strengths. If coin gets nerfed, I don't think Janna would be nearly as problematic, as I outlined in the OP.
The reason why the lane is stale when Janna gets played is because she can't trade. Soraka pokes with her Q, Sona q+auto whenever she has passive, Lulu can Q,W+autos,E etc, Nami can poke with her W... That's why I was hoping for Riot to change Janna's W into something else, her shield is not what's making Janna uninteractive.
Sophitia (NA)
: If a lot of Janna's power budget is in her shield giving bonus AD to her ADC, maybe that should be replaced with something else? E.g., ally shielded is given [x%] bonus move speed and [x] bonus damage? Dunno, just a thought.
I don't think her shield is the problem. I remind you that before support itemization+ADC meta and coin buffs happened she had 51% win rate.
Buffy (NA)
: @RiotRepertoir @RiotMeddler PBE Janna Thoughts
She's basically a Lulu 2.0. I would've loved to see different changes to Janna, like a total W and a mini passive rework, but the fact that they **DOUBLED** the cooldown on her shield (they want her to be interactive with a 18/16/14/12/10 second shield? lol it is almost laughable at how stupid these nerfs are) demonstrates that Meddler, Repertoir or whoever designed these changes doesn't know what he/she is doing. Actually, they know what they are doing but they don't know **how**, which is a huge problem because a champion getting ruined by a person's incompetence is not okay.
: I find it unbelievable that riot refuses to nerf the best champ in the game with the highest winrate, banrate and pickrate (WR reaching up to 60%) and instead non nerf censer and buff blue supp item (idk how this shit item is even called anymore lul). Then they realise janna is still broken and instead of just straight up nerfing her like idk THEY DID WITH EVERY FUCKING CHAMP OUT THERE they think about making her "more interactive in lane". Riot is biased as hell. Champs like janna, riven, yasuo, lee somehow are never allowed to be straight bad or out of meta. But i double dare you when GP still has 50% winrate after trinity got its crit chance removed, the nerf gatlin gun is waiting. Or zed. Or old sejuani. Or old leblanc having one of the worst winrates in the game. Still gets nerfed.
A simple way to nerf Janna: remove or rework {{item:3504}}, its design is bad and we don't need a braindead stat check item, nerf ADCs (Janna is the best support when it comes to synergizing with an ADC and no wonder she's the best support in a meta dominated by ADCs) and nerf {{item:3301}} this fucking uninteractive item which rewards supports with a shit ton of gold for doing EXACTLY NOTHING. Also, make her interactive by changing her W instead of changing her to fucking Lulu 2.0. Meddler knows what to do but doesn't know how and a champion shouldn't be ruined by his incompetence.
Death Rex (EUW)
: Ehhh, I feel like Lissandras Gameplay isn't the best, especially that passive. I like the champion itself, but a low range AP carry with meh scalings feels just weird to me
Well you have to consider that she was released in s3, imagine if Meddler designed Liss in s7, she would be beyond beautiful. Also her scalings probably got nerfed many times since she has been a problematic champion top lane.
: What happened to Lissandra's new passive?
I'm pretty sure they didn't release it because she would've been a cancer top lane, especially against melee champions.
Arakadia (NA)
: 45% winrate is not unviable. It is absolutely not balanced but it's not like Sona was unable to survive at all in high elo before her new interactions.
Oh trust me you don't remember how bad Sona was in s6/10 months ago before support itemization busted her and every other enchanter. I remember Imaqtie flaming someone in s6 just because that guy chose to pick Sona. She was considered a troll pick in high elo and got played ONCE in pro play (when she had 57% win rate in soloq) and still lost. Go back to 10 months ago or s6 and find me a Sona in master who gets played in the support role instead of mid lane.
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