DW Diana (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=T4underbolt,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u0jNMcvk,comment-id=0014000000000000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2018-05-19T14:10:03.999+0000) > > I had 2 accounts in plat 1 in diamond promos. I didnt hit diamond, but I know more about this game than 95 % of the player base below me. And while I didnt experience the game in very very hight elo I did experience it in elo high enough to see what is going on with this game. If you know what mistakes happen then why arent you higher then? What keeps you there? Because I certainly know why Im not in plat anymore, but I just straight up refuse to play only meta jsut because right now its the only way to climb. And even now when I'm not at my peak division I'm still higher than you. I think that says a lot about experience difference. > Of course you did. I'm challenger. But seriously, I'm silver because I barely play ranked, which you can see on my account (the silver one. Challenger remember?). Anyway meta only holds back those that weren't good at the champion to start with. There were Aatrox players in challenger last season. There's Diana players in challenger every year. Nocturne is pick and ban in high elo. So try rethinking your excuses. Edit: lol you also seem to play a fair amount of meta champions. You lose on them, but you PLAY them
I don't know what meta champs I play but I guess meta in bronze is completely different so we live in two different worlds. And I'm serious about being plat on 2 accounts but a silver player like you who is hard stuck can only be jealous. And once again. Even if you don't believe me doesn't change the fact I'm currently over entire tier higher on this account than you are and even if I stop playing forever you re not gonna be higher than me. Bye. Live in your delusions. Guess some people will never learn and accept they are bad.
: > [{quoted}](name=T4underbolt,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u0jNMcvk,comment-id=0014000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-19T14:06:12.530+0000) > > Because Riot Games is a company that knows how to balance. It's not like people were telling them that Galio is broken, but they let him go live and have him oneshot people with 8 sec cooldown ability. Its not like they were said million times about different things that will be completely busted and they ignored and it turned out people were right. Riot is the worst company in terms of balance since Ghostcrawler and Meddler are lead designers. Once again. What can you know with your experience about the game balance? Apparently more than you, you overassertive prick. Riot>you{{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}}
I'm listing all the proves riot can't balance while I and many people was warning riot many times about multiple things. Yet you still imply the opposite. I guess the thing people say about low iq plays in bronze/silver really has to do with an actual iq. Poor you.
DW Diana (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=T4underbolt,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u0jNMcvk,comment-id=00140000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-19T07:00:39.702+0000) > > Let me just clear this up. Your experience means nothing. Your elo is very low and at this point players you play with are pretty bad and have no individual skills. However in gold 3 and above, in plat, in diamond you can meet players that know their sht and how to play the champions. I saw people in bronze losing free lanes and games with Galio when he was in broken state for few days where he could literally oneshot people with one Q. Those players were bad and couldnt utilize a champion that has oneshot button on 8 second cooldown. So you expect me to take your experience from games seriously when mostly you meet players that are far below my average skill? These people are so bad they cant even use point and click champ properly. > Let me clear this up for YOU. Get a grip. You're Gold 1 with a 46% winrate in ranked. When you get to challenger you MIGHT be considered to have the right to talk to someone like that, but otherwise HELL NO. You can meet player in ANY elo that know how to play their champions. Some are very skilled, but they lack MACRO. They make the wrong choices, face check the wrong bush, and THIS is what keeps them in their elo. Yes there are some players that are far more mechanically skilled then bronze/silver/GOLD players, but until you reach Diamond 4 you are NOT one of them. Get over yourself.
I had 2 accounts in plat 1 in diamond promos. I didnt hit diamond, but I know more about this game than 95 % of the player base below me. And while I didnt experience the game in very very hight elo I did experience it in elo high enough to see what is going on with this game. If you know what mistakes happen then why arent you higher then? What keeps you there? Because I certainly know why Im not in plat anymore, but I just straight up refuse to play only meta jsut because right now its the only way to climb. And even now when I'm not at my peak division I'm still higher than you. I think that says a lot about experience difference.
: > [{quoted}](name=T4underbolt,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u0jNMcvk,comment-id=00140000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-19T07:00:39.702+0000) > > Let me just clear this up. Your experience means nothing. Your elo is very low and at this point players you play with are pretty bad and have no individual skills. However in gold 3 and above, in plat, in diamond you can meet players that know their sht and how to play the champions. I saw people in bronze losing free lanes and games with Galio when he was in broken state for few days where he could literally oneshot people with one Q. Those players were bad and couldnt utilize a champion that has oneshot button on 8 second cooldown. So you expect me to take your experience from games seriously when mostly you meet players that are far below my average skill? These people are so bad they cant even use point and click champ properly. Whatever you say edge lord. Riot changed her so they obviously disagree with you. You have your opinion and I have mine.
Because Riot Games is a company that knows how to balance. It's not like people were telling them that Galio is broken, but they let him go live and have him oneshot people with 8 sec cooldown ability. Its not like they were said million times about different things that will be completely busted and they ignored and it turned out people were right. Riot is the worst company in terms of balance since Ghostcrawler and Meddler are lead designers. Once again. What can you know with your experience about the game balance?
: Hey Riot? For your new spear can I just make a suggestion so you don't fuck up with OP shit AGAIN?
Not gonna happen. Riot just stated about jungle changes that they didnt intend to listen to any feedback because they are sure the changes they did are right. What makes you think they will listen to feedback about anything else?
: I mean Riot _has_ been listening to the boards... Or maybe you didn’t see all the “assassins are too weak” threads or “revert LB and Rengar” threads or “tired of jungler deciding my lane” threads. Like cmon... OP is being ridiculous cause whenever Riot does what Boards says, the people that we’re complaining now leave, and a new wave of people bitching about their own problems arrives.
See you dont understand. Boards were right. the problem is Riot just overdo things and they cant be convinced they do. Revert of LB and rengar would be good if some measures were taken to keep them from being oppresive and broken. What riot did? All good sides of rengar rework stay and the most cancer part of is reverted. So we have old cancer rengar with all new tools to be even more retarded. Leblanc got reverted and still can QRW for oneshot with barely any items with no counterplay. Nothing has been changed to prevent this. For jungle people were asking for junglers to have a bit longer first clear and lower the camp spawn times so ganks are beneficial only if you actually choose the right timing instead of camping alll the time because camps didnt spawn yet. Riot overdid things and destroyed jungle. People are right. Its riot that doesnt know moderation in their decisions.
: > [{quoted}](name=T4underbolt,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u0jNMcvk,comment-id=001400000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-18T12:35:26.942+0000) > > Because zed,fizz and yasuo have counterplay in lane. They need to actually hit their sht or come close and fight face to face. Lb just point and clicks from safe range. Plus I dont think a guy who is hard stuck silver for 5 seasons should try to tell me what I need to do. Since you like looking people up, why don’t you go back and see how many I played? It’s clearly obvious I don’t care about ranked, but since you bring it up, why is it I can defeat her with little to no issue while you’re struggling with basic concepts such as counter picks and defensive item builds? Kudos with your failed attempt at an insult.
Let me just clear this up. Your experience means nothing. Your elo is very low and at this point players you play with are pretty bad and have no individual skills. However in gold 3 and above, in plat, in diamond you can meet players that know their sht and how to play the champions. I saw people in bronze losing free lanes and games with Galio when he was in broken state for few days where he could literally oneshot people with one Q. Those players were bad and couldnt utilize a champion that has oneshot button on 8 second cooldown. So you expect me to take your experience from games seriously when mostly you meet players that are far below my average skill? These people are so bad they cant even use point and click champ properly.
Morkaskog (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=T4underbolt,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Pa5dVUvQ,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-05-16T09:39:36.864+0000) > > You know what is a joke? You claiming poppy is in a bad spot when you can miss half of her abilities and not pick up a shield and still out trade actual fighters while building literally 0 dmg items. Seems fun to get run down by a champion that builds defensive items so you neither can dmg it but it still deals so much dmg to you that its pointless to even trade or fight. The only thing that anyone who doesnt directly counter tanks can do vs tank in lane, is not laning vs tank at all. You need to pray tank player wont be aggresive so you can farm or you are forced to roam constantly which usually cost you xp, gold and everything since making plays and killing opponents is not rewarding anymore. As long as tanks can deal all that dmg and render anyone useless while playing passive and building resistance and hp, no buffs should be given to tanks. You know, i see a lot of people saying things along these lines pretty often, but when no stats what so ever back these statements up, it just makes you seem petty because you got owned by a good player.
What no stats? So when I dodge half of her abilities and I see on my own fking eyes that she out trades me with mere autos and she recieve no dmg from my full perfectly done combo then there is still no stats to back up my statement? They are fking there. In dmg dealt to me and nearly no dmg she recieved. But what can I expect from a tank player. You just want freelo. You cant play laning phase so you pick champions who require right clicking to win the lane and can sustain themselves for years without doing anything. You can pick full defensive runes and still deal more dmg than dmg oriented picks, because riot made tanks exclusively for bronze players to climb for free without having to know how to play the game or have any individual skill.
: Riot Fearless on the Jungle Changes (+ some feedback)
Hahaha. "Despite our internal testing we can't compete with info we get from live". Like why do they lie? They never listen to test team. Test team says something is broken. Pbe also confirms it. They ignore it and put it live anyway. It happened so many times it's impossible to count.
Pika Fox (NA)
: No, the one i own and run myself, thanks. Not that the statement matters because its the internet and i can claim anything, like you love doing when its blatantly obvious you have either no expertise in the field, or not enough knowledge to know why your assertions are unfounded.
You can;t assume anything about my expertise because you yourself have no knowledge about software developing. You can't even judge anything because you lack any experience in that field.
: > [{quoted}](name=T4underbolt,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u0jNMcvk,comment-id=0014000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-17T19:26:14.054+0000) > > If you are forced to pick a counter just to have any chance to play vs a champion that means something is wrong. I don’t hear that arguement for zed, fizz, Yasuo or any of the others, she is really easy to beat, sorry you have such an issue. Actually all of the above mentioned champions tear her a new one, Ekko beats her badly as well. If you can’t beat her with any of the above mentioned champions, maybe you need practice...
Because zed,fizz and yasuo have counterplay in lane. They need to actually hit their sht or come close and fight face to face. Lb just point and clicks from safe range. Plus I dont think a guy who is hard stuck silver for 5 seasons should try to tell me what I need to do.
: or something? I could tower dive with amumu and get the same result if they were low enough. When are you going to show proof? Until then you are just making things up out of anger.
No you couldnt get the same result simply because amumu doesnt have enough dmg to 100-0 someone 1v3 under turret.
: Ok, but then again, a lategame Yasuo that just walks and lifesteals the shit out of you while critting and blocking every projectile is suddenly 200 IQ? Or a midgame Riven jumping and hitting 2-3 people with her knockup and stun R combo is fine, but Illaoi hitting E R and W is completely dumb. My point is: "dumber" champs can make some mistakes and not suffer that much from them, but champs with more options usually have more outplay potential in their actions. An Illaoi who misses her E is useless for 6 seconds (late, way more early), but if she doesn't get engaged on in that time she won't suffer that much, but she doesn't have ways to avoid getting engaged on. A riven who misses her stun chan dash+shield away and will have her Q up soon. I don't think it's right to call other champs "dumb". Some champs just have require fewer mechanics to work at their best, while others have means that a "dumber" champ can't even dream of, because their higher mechanic difficulty is usually rewarded. I really can't get people getting upset by other people's pick, I don't even feel like saying "then pick it and climb with it hehexd" because I feel like everyone should play the champ they like, but if you male your choice don't feel entitled to judge other people's performance based on their champ. I'm sure there are people who can play Cassio efficiently but suck at something like a "just rightclicking" Tryndamere out there, and even if they're good with both, they made a choice by playing one of them, good for them, but don't piss people off with this poor argument. Maplhite is frustrating to play against because of his uninteractiveness, but he's nowhere near broken, not now at least. Plus, put it like this: Riven va Malph. He can probably win a 1v1 with you, but in case of ganks? What means does he have to escape them? Walking? While with Riven you can stun someone and run away with 3 leaps and a Dash+Shield. Does anyone come up and say "lul how stupid, impossible to gank champ with dumb escapes, nice outplay". Just, come on. I get your point and I don't mean to be rude or anything, but it's a really bad mentality imo.
What does gank has to do with champion being broken. malphite doesnt even have to run from ganks in the first place and ganks are the only way to beat him in lane. The difference between malphite and riven/yasuo is that malphite gets a free lane and no matter if he wins or not he is usefull and scale very well. On the other hand you need skill to win laning phase as yasuo/riven because every tank is out damaging you and out tanking you by default. Nowadays picking any champion that needs to be played well to scale is completely pointless. Because champions who scale, are more durable and bring more than champs like yasuo/riven are having free laning phase. They will always scale no matter the result in lane unless shut down to the point of 0/10 but that is just a player being completely terrible at the game. The tank meta is so hard that people just start to pick cho/malphite mid (galio mid also but it was picked much longer mid than other tanks) and dominate the lane by default since you can't really dmg a tank nor outplay him and if you dont have a champion who can roam and at the same time your team being ready to freeze and let you gank you will be useless just because the guy picked a tank. This is not fair. Tanks should work for their place in mid/late game. currently they dont have to do anything at all.
: And you are right instead calling every other champ dumb because you don't respect them (actually because you think they are dumb) and don't play the mu properly. I beat many riven but I get my ass whooped as well by good riven players. Maybe other champs have lower margins of error, but usually they have less outplay potential as well.
Not really. Those champions with less margin of error have at the same time more consistent ways of winning trades and all ins for free. E.g. Darius is braindead easy to play yet even after I put him behind 0/4 if I screw up one little move in combo he will just straight up murder me by right clicking and ulting while there is nothing i can do. Without any items. while by default he has more ways to be outplayed he is still not leaving any margin for mistake for an opponent which is a toxic game design.
Pika Fox (NA)
: Im fine with the business i own thanks. Or are we still playing make believe and i should be the president of the universe or something? Seriously, youre not doing yourself any favors.
You mean buissness that your parents own and you are as 10 years old talk around in school how much you helped run buissness by cleaning the shelfs once in a while. You're both too young to talk about life and not enough experienced to talk about things like software development.
Mewko (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=T4underbolt,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gkKAjTcP,comment-id=0024,timestamp=2018-05-17T11:20:23.126+0000) > > This was the most bottom licking post I&#x27;ve ever seen. Explain how does Riot listen to the community, because player were asking for adc nerfs for over a year and now when given a chance they are actually buffing their late game so hard its impossible while also making the early easier. People were asking for shield nerfs for months and they still move that changes to next and next patch refusing to listen to feedback which in exchange resulted in no changes promised in patch 8.6. Tanks are running rampart and win every lane early game by simply being immortal and not interracting with opponent or having enough base dmg to out trade anyone is enemy decides do engage the tank. > > And the most recent. Jungle changes has been done. They didnt even listen to PRO PLAYERS who gave a reasonable solution that would fix everything. They just went through with dumb changes that create the problem of jungler often being behind in levels compared to support. Or sht like dominating enemy jungler but then enemy jungler gets lucky rng with crab spawning in bot lane few times and bot helps to secure it and all your lead vs that jungler is reversed. It also made it so laners and supports will take smite because taking crab is so important. Basically ivern nunu jungle will soon be the only viable option. > > I dont know what NCSoft games you played, but saying that riot is listening to player base is literally a joke and straight up a lie. they always refuse to nerf overpowered champions that are popular/picked in lcs/face of the game. For the sake of that they refuse to listen player base. For such stupid reason they are willing to sacrifice balance and players entertaiment. > > Please stop with that fan boy threads. Anyone with common sense can see that Riot does literally nothing for players. Can&#x27;t even remember last time any of my bug reports has been heard and fixed. Mordekaiser has million bugs and nothing is being fixed. Karthus has game breaking bug that fks up his Q completely and it was here for 3 years and even due to multiple threads and tickets it is still not fixed. Client that was supposed to be new and sht is so buggy that even a group of students could do better client without bugs. > > Can you people stop praising riot or making up things to praise them? Especialyl since you have no real arguments to show to support this claim. Thank you for reading. <3
> [{quoted}](name=Mewko,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=gkKAjTcP,comment-id=00240000,timestamp=2018-05-17T18:32:28.207+0000) > > Thank you for reading. &lt;3 Yep. Typical guy who just fanboys riot blindly and tries to convince people riot is good by making posts, but when it comes to actual facts and arguments you have literally nothing to back up your claims.
: > [{quoted}](name=T4underbolt,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u0jNMcvk,comment-id=00140000,timestamp=2018-05-17T17:07:30.608+0000) > > Before you build banshees you will get killed 5 times. Well if building an item is too difficult, try a counter pick instead of spamming your favorite champ?
If you are forced to pick a counter just to have any chance to play vs a champion that means something is wrong.
Pika Fox (NA)
: I can google image search too! Wow, weird.
kid. go back to school and learn. Espeically ask your teacher to help you with logical thinking. For my master degree I even had to write an article to the unversity journal. I guess you are just jelous that someone is succesfull while you are fat kid who cant even properly understand balance of a game and cries himself to sleep after yet another failed easy math test.
: Are we gonna get more Poppy compensation soon?
No we wont untill poppy dmg gets nerfed to the point she cant take 3/4 of enemy hp with simple combo and bami cinder as only item.
: There are still zero follow up changes to a single mage affected by patch 8.9
First thing first. ADCs will be already in a better spot after 8.11 hit live than they are now due to simple stat checks. After like lvl 10 they will deal more dmg to most squishes than they do now.
: She is so easy to play against. Banshees veil, boom. She is an assassin..
Before you build banshees you will get killed 5 times.
: THANK YOU FOR THE JUNGLE CHANGES THEY ARE GREAT :3
The thing is that jungle has been ruined completely. Riot once again overdid the changes. Instead of lowering early pressure from jungle they basically made it so jungler without good clear or dueling power lvl 2 is useless. not mentioning you are mostly have to ask your laners to help to secure the crab. Junglers needed to be toned down in a matter of too early ganks but this is completely overkill.
: Thing is, champs with more options and outplay potential CAN win against the chamls you described, but have to be played better. A decently played Yasuo can easily bring down an Illaoi by using his Windwall on her E and proceeding to smash her since he can easily avoid her Q with his E and he can manage to knockup her at the right time (Illaoi has CC immunity at the cast of her ult). Now, most people think Illaoi is a dumb champ (I highly disagree but don't care) but now tell me: an Illaoi who hits her E, ults to prevent a CC and proceeds to smash a 1v2 didn't outplay her opponents and deserve that win? A tank malphite that manages his mana well and makes use of his passive and his AS reduction properly to win trades, who hits good ults by being in the right places at the right times doesn't deserve a win because the Yasuo on the enemy team can't Hasaki Hasaryo Soryegeton properly and can't adapt to that playstyle? I'm sorry, but that's the mindset of a sore loser.
Sorry, but what you describe is actually a definition of dumb champ. Let me explain why. Illaoi can 1v2 people at lvl 6 with long sword only. She can do it without effort and please dont tell me that usign ult to avoid or free yourself from CC is hard because its an equivalent to use QSS but in this case she also gains a huge power boost. I dont think illaoi is particulary broken, but saying that hitting her E is hard is a joke. She mostly faces meele opponents and only opponents with high mobility in their kit like yasuo (which you given as example) can have a way to outplay her. Her E is fast enough to catch anyone without any huge movement speed boost or mobility. And the reward she gets for hitting her E is so big that its unbelieveable. But overall I feel like playing vs illaoi is 100 times more healthy than vs any tank. Malphite is literally the epitome of broken champ. Mana problems go away very quickly after buying icebron gauntlet and even without it, its enough to out lane enemy champions. Im seriously not having fun being 100-10 by malphite combo. He just engages with 4k hp 700 armor, 200 mr and takes away like 1600 out of my lets say 1900 hp. With initial dmg. Additionally he has huge cc and unless im kassadin or yasuo with minions there is no way I can get away from him. He will just auto me to death. Feels good to see 800 auto attack dmg in death recap in 3-4 autos from a full tank. Malphite basically doesnt have to do sht to be succesfull. you can play like braindead monkey but you have enough dmg to win vs anyone that is not a fed vayne.
: thing is, when the champions that are "complicated" and have more tools to make them complicated, they then become problematic because if they have the stats to back it up, they then become quite dangerous and can actually then become the less skilled champion just because they have methods to deal with every opponent fizz has had this problem, lee has had this problem, zed has had this problem, yasuo has had this problem (at least at the start of season 6 and supposedly recently)
I never said that complicated champions should be a stat checks. In my opinion ZED should be able to oneshot squishy if he is slightly ahead but only if he hits the full combo. And we know very well he doesnt need to do that. He can hit half and its enough to oneshot (as oneshot I mean onecombo obviously) squishy. But then comes champion like janna who can nullify zed with one click even if zed hits whole combo 3 shurikens 2 Es and duskblade auto even when he is exteremly fed. And that is not okay. What I want is not to buff those champs to make them a stat checks. I want to properly nerf easy champions that have too much stats for how easy they are to play so you have to make some effort to outplay higher skilled champions. Champions and classes were buffed too hard through last 3 years. In dota 2 making everyone broken might work because dota has completely different mechanics and strategy than lol. But in lol doing that leads to well known power creep. The game was 100 times better ins s3/s4. All they had to do back then was just nerf certain champions and items and the game would be very well balanced. Instead they started to buff everything in chain buffs e.g. tanks got buffed so they buffed adcs and that caused asassins buffs and that caused support buffs. Do you know what I mean? All thsi sht is caused by overbuffing everything instead of nerfing few problematic champs.
Pika Fox (NA)
: And i have a double super masters in quantum tunneling, having been in school for 3124 years. And 3 days. Its amazing how everyone has the credentials they need to back up whatever they claim.
If you are so fking clever I can literally make a photo of my diploma, but seeing your dumb response on my post is actually making me sure that you wouldnt be even able to read a single letter.
: I mean it didn't just magically drop for no reason. You can argue against it all you want but you provide no proof other than just blind rage.
its not a blind rage. I see what is going on in the game. When I see WW tower diving my team 1v3 with only titanic at 15 minutes or something and being able to kill my adc ezreal through janna shields and heals (and janna is fking broken right now) then there is something wrong. He died only because he backed off for a last auto to close to turret and eaten last tower shot. He had flash and he would get away with that. BTW ezreal had executioners so well that explains everything. The drop means only that there is something more broken that took it place, but just because something else is more broken it doesnt mean the nerfed champion is balanced now.
: Okay. **Why** do you think it's a simple fix? If they can't isolate what causes it, how is it simple? And it seems like a far more simple workaround. The client told you it happened. It would be a 20 second fix on your end, tops.
How could I fix it? I couldnt leave champ select. I tried to click multiple times during different champ select fazes. The screen looked the same as I shown in a screenshot. I wonder why not a single game client has ever bugged for me. Holy fk. Even an old Quake Live client that was so old has never bugged. Yet they created fresh client and it has bugs all around for how long it is out? 3 years? For fk sake. Company with all the resources in the world should be able to move their butts and do something. If its too hard to fix rewrite clients. They have enough money to hire devs that can do that job well if current amount of devs is not enough to do it.
: Idk about that, I had a friend complaining to me about his rank being b5 played with him till he was silver 2, told him he was on his own and he got himself to gold. Point is that in most cases when people play with their low tier friends they don't just play, they teach their friends along the way. Doesn't take much to get to gold with all those free wins nowadays
Okay. So he learned to play maybe. But the undeniable fact is that most of bullsht like this: guy playing with a friend and getting to division too high for him is usually doing very bad and common mistakes. It is obvious right away he should be there. So maybe in your case he actually improved fast, but he is and exception. Most of the player base in low divisions cant improve that fast and are stuck in bronze/silver forever for a good reason. I take exception into consideration but we should think about majority of player base in that case. Most players wont be able to play in higher division obtained by duoing with a smurf unless they get to that division themselves.
Solitair (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=T4underbolt,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=UrqLAj33,comment-id=000d0000,timestamp=2018-05-12T04:41:36.979+0000) > > We weren&#x27;t in assassin meta for more than a year if not 2. Assassins excluding kha or rengar are getting denied by supp spamming shield button brainlessly. ADCs are the center of the universe and tanks are winning every match up by right clicking people with grasp of the undying while mid lane is just wave clear mage fiesta. relevant, how?
I dont know. In bronze even AP talon support can work so I guess there is literally no meta there for the most part. But it is relevant in gold+
: Let me guess: you play {{champion:92}} / {{champion:157}}
Played. I play many champions and many roles which doesnt change the fact that someone who plays darius shouldnt shout out about what champions do I play.
Salson (EUNE)
: Riot is actually nerfing everything, exactly as we asked?
What did they nerf top? Because last time I checked all the tanks are still overpowered as fk winning every laning phase while doing literally nothing but spamming head on the keyboard. GP with grasp of the undying- a late game hypercarry being able to bully people out of lane by pressing Q off cooldown and doing that with mana crystal as starting item. Vlad doing exactly the same with additional sustain. Jungle didnt get nerfed. It got butchered. People asked for less early ganks and especially removing early cheese of lvl 3 ganks to lvl 2 laners. Riot literally fked up the jungle to the point even pro players are mad as hell. Feels good to have lower lvl as jungler than your supp or enemy jungler getting help from team to secure 2 or 3 crabs and getting ahead of you even after you tried your best to shut him down. Or laners starting to take smite to steal crab. Mid nerfed? Only champions that had real mana problems already has suffered from this change. Champs like anivia, taliyah, cassiopeia are still there even more effective than before since other champions didnt have wave clear to begin with. ADC to be nerfed? Just letting you know that after like lvl 11 most squishies will be recieving more dmg from adcs than they currently they recieve. ADCs got their late game buffed even more and early game also is stronger. The only difference is the power spike is a bit moved in time due to a bit more gold needed to finish the build, but standard interaction of stattik shiv and rfc people asked to remove is still there, so you can stack those items for burst dmg anyway. Support? They had clear solutions given by pro players and many other people and they refused to apply them in 8.6. The reason why is simple. They want to do the same sht like with adcs. Cover power shift/buffs with something that will look as nerfs on the first look.
Mewko (NA)
: Riot, I thank you for everything.
This was the most bottom licking post I've ever seen. Explain how does Riot listen to the community, because player were asking for adc nerfs for over a year and now when given a chance they are actually buffing their late game so hard its impossible while also making the early easier. People were asking for shield nerfs for months and they still move that changes to next and next patch refusing to listen to feedback which in exchange resulted in no changes promised in patch 8.6. Tanks are running rampart and win every lane early game by simply being immortal and not interracting with opponent or having enough base dmg to out trade anyone is enemy decides do engage the tank. And the most recent. Jungle changes has been done. They didnt even listen to PRO PLAYERS who gave a reasonable solution that would fix everything. They just went through with dumb changes that create the problem of jungler often being behind in levels compared to support. Or sht like dominating enemy jungler but then enemy jungler gets lucky rng with crab spawning in bot lane few times and bot helps to secure it and all your lead vs that jungler is reversed. It also made it so laners and supports will take smite because taking crab is so important. Basically ivern nunu jungle will soon be the only viable option. I dont know what NCSoft games you played, but saying that riot is listening to player base is literally a joke and straight up a lie. they always refuse to nerf overpowered champions that are popular/picked in lcs/face of the game. For the sake of that they refuse to listen player base. For such stupid reason they are willing to sacrifice balance and players entertaiment. Please stop with that fan boy threads. Anyone with common sense can see that Riot does literally nothing for players. Can't even remember last time any of my bug reports has been heard and fixed. Mordekaiser has million bugs and nothing is being fixed. Karthus has game breaking bug that fks up his Q completely and it was here for 3 years and even due to multiple threads and tickets it is still not fixed. Client that was supposed to be new and sht is so buggy that even a group of students could do better client without bugs. Can you people stop praising riot or making up things to praise them? Especialyl since you have no real arguments to show to support this claim.
: 55% winrate in patch 8.8 to a 51% winrate in 8.9. Yeah the nerf did absolutely nothing. You are trolling if you actually think warwick scales well into late game.
win rate means nothing. Leblanc with silence years ago had 45% win rate but was cancerous and her kit had no counterplay and it was easy to play to the point anyone could pick her. Warwick is even worse because while leblanc was squishy warwick is tanky as hell and is braindead easy to play. Champs like this should be below 45% winrate untill their kit is properly balanced and given skill expression rather than brainless pure stats.
: Okay. For one, deliberately just insulting Riot isn't going to make anyone happy. Also, since the launch of the runes? I haven't seen it once. Maybe you need to be a bit more specific as to what you believe triggers it, instead of just coming on here screaming about it.
Runes chaning itself to random preset rune page is a bug that has been there since launch. through the patches it has appeared many times with different outlook, but it is stil lthe same bug randomly chaning your pages. Many people reported that and it is still not fixed. I can understand some things can be hard to fix but waiting so long for a simple fix is just a shame and I have all the right to insult an incompetent company.
Pika Fox (NA)
: Clearly you have no idea how programming videogames/clients for literally every conceivable computer part combination works.
Clearly I have because I have master degree on developing software and I was mainly doing internet applications in Java. Let me also remind you that while lol client is written in java bugs like I encountered are mostly caused by a screw up on the client side so its not even related to the data flow issues between computer and lol servers. They cant even properly code that which is actually kinda pathetic, because I saw custom made games with clients with much more functionalities and having close to no game breaking bugs. This is a shame for a developer to have a client bugged for so long. While I might not be ready to work on huge projects and I know the struggle of software developing, company which has one of the best if not the best income of all gaming companies should be able to afford to solve the bugs especially like that. There are jokes about riot being small indie company but they are not accurate. Small indie company is able to fix such bugs faster and more effiecent with 1/100 of resources of riot than riot has ever done with all the money and man power they have.
: [RANT] Stop losing on Difficult Champions while hating Simpler Champions
In no freaking game a champion with simple kit and basically overloaded with training wheels should be more effective than a champion that has more complicated kit and a lot of flaws that have to be play around by a user of such champion. It is completely dumb that champions like malphite can be picked basically anywhere and do nothing to achieve great results.But considering all your champion pool is full of champs that require to just pick them in champ select to be usefull for a team I guess there is no surprize you want to defend them. The question is why though? Riot is too stubborn and casual/noob friendly to actually balance tanks. They will let them be free laning phase and scaling champions forever cause in their world having champion with figher/assassin lvl of burst dmg being so tanky you need 5 people to stop him is completely fine and doesnt break any logic. So dont worry you can keep going freelo on malphite, sejuani (surprize our stun bot with 40% max hp dmg nuke is going to be buffed for no reason soon - good for your elo I guess) and all the other dumb tanks that can be played by people with negative IQ. There is no decision making in playing those champs. Its your call when to engage because any engage you choose to do is good and rewarding no matter how clunky and bad it is.
: > [{quoted}](name=T4underbolt,realm=EUW,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=A7fojbAt,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-05-16T15:59:03.944+0000) > > not having sudden impact, predator, eyeball collection and relentless hunter as well as ultimate hat and celerity is a big deal because most of the dmg and important utility is being ripped off. But what runes are in place of them? It's not like you're not equipped with any runes at all. And even if some of your damage and a bit of movespeed is gone, the majority of how well you do depends on your own skills. You can adapt to errors, so if you kept playing as if you had the correct rune page on, that would have attributed to your ruined game, as you would have needed to accommodate for the shift in runes.
I think you dont realize the only way to play rengar now are with runes I just mentioned. Any other runes are a suicide. You lack dmg, utility and everything.
Topazium (NA)
: I don't even get your point. First off, you basically agreed with the dude by saying that yes, you think Juggernauts are OP. Secondly, you say it in a way that makes it SOUND like you're disagreeing, and thirdly, you counter your original argument by arguing that they can be countered in your last post! {{sticker:sg-lux-2}}
Yes champs like camille can be countered. Id rather play vs her than any tank, because tank has no interactive and no counterplay gameplay. Even when champs like Darius stat checks you there is still more chances to fight him than having 0 when fighting tanks. So even if champions like this are also too strong they are having more interactive gameplay than tanks.
: lmao now you're going into rank-shaming. All that does is lower your argument's credibility and make yourself look like you have issues you need to deal with Most assassins before the Assassin-update were stat-checks Talon, Rengar, and Fizz The only thing they lost to was being outnumbered so have 2-3 assassins on one team and oh look now assassins match numbers and GG It's WAY more likely today for an assassin to be able to deepward an opponent, for the opponent to react to the assassin jumping them and for the opponent to have a fair chance of beating the assassin ADCs are currently in that stat-check state in which they beat everything that physically can't deal with their stats Assassins are balanced right now(Barring itemization such as duskblade), the counters of assassins are SLIGHTLY overperforming(barring ADCs being overpowered) Understand?
It doesnt lower my credibility. Simply because someone in low elo knows nothing about the balance of the game. And why do you bring talon. He only got popular and nerfed because he got picked once in worlds and destroyed farm mid with wave clear meta of ziggs. Talon was mainly picked only to counter certain champs - mainly kassadin. if kassadin werent banned you were picking talon. easy as that. And before it was easier to balance the game. All riot had to do is fix numbers on certain assassins and basically all game would be balanced. But no. they started to buff tanks. Then to counter it they buffed adcs. Then to counter that change they buffed assassins again and to counter that change too they overbuffed supports and in the meantime tanks got buffed so adcs got buffed as well. All those unnessecery changes turned this game into bullsht we have now where assassins are basically useless above silver division.
: He got nerfed in 8.9.
You call that a nerf? It is as much as a nerf as 0.25 sec cooldown on zoe Q. I imply you are intelligent enough to understand obvious sarcasm. Riot should force WW to actually build dmg items to deal dmg. Not give him amazing early game and good late game scaling at the same time.
: No champ is 100% dependent on runes to do well. Most can utilize any rune you throw on them to some effect. The majority of your influence in the game comes from your kit and your items, so you probably ruined your game by entering in tilted because of the bug, and not from the bug itself. Having the wrong runes is not damning like forgetting Smite.
not having sudden impact, predator, eyeball collection and relentless hunter as well as ultimate hat and celerity is a big deal because most of the dmg and important utility is being ripped off.
Topazium (NA)
: Top lane is mostly Tanks, Bruisers, and Juggernauts... Illaoi, Camille, Fiora, Irelia, the list goes on and on.... 'the only champions'? Bro, it's the majority of top lane.{{sticker:zombie-brand-clap}} {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
Im not saying those champions are fine. Thought. Illaoi can be countered by tank building bramble vest, so does fiora. irelia is a different kind of problem because riot refuses to nerf her properly cause of rework. Camille is mainly a problem due to W comet spam, but it is 100% more enjoyable and has more counterplay playing vs camille than any tank.
: I will assume you understood that I'm talking about normal games here, to begin with. Not going into ranked with someone so far below me, it wouldn't be good for any of us. With that out of the way, you are saying that I should just play on my regular account and have the enemy wipe the floor with them. Because that is what happens. Do you understand the concept of fun? Playing with friends in an environment in which they have a fighting chance is much more fun than watching me forced to stomp other players to make up for them feeding their asses off. Because of the way group MMR works in which they will get placed vs people much better than them but I would still be playing with people lower ranks than me and then I have to make up for them by dominating the game. That sounds fun for you? And yes, I will still play with friends. Do I care that the random silver level player who had the misfortune to lane against me does not have a chance in hell of winning lane even with jungle pressure? I will gladly sacrifice that person's playing experience to make sure that someone I actualy care about has fun. And either way, playing with my main account or the smurf my friend's MMR will be slightly inflated, but in this second case at a much more manageable rate in which they still can adapt and the curve is not harsh, so they still have fun. So yeah, I created a new account to play normals with friends. It is an acceptable reason, purely because this is in all essence a game and it is the only way to have fun in that situation. If you don't understand that I feel terribly sorry for you, maybe try to relax a little, make some friends to play with and you will see my point. If you find it unacceptable then I will give you my best advice: deal with it {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}}
: HMMMM S3 + S4 was an assassin meta Seems I found ~~The butthurt assassin main~~ why you think Assassins shoulda been made stronger
S3 and S4 needed just few tweaks to certain assassin to make them less oppresive and we would have most of the champions balanced. Do you know why its better to have assassin meta than the sht we have now? Because its literally impossible to make any plays and carry. At least during assassin meta even when assassin was fed you could stop him and collapse him with team effort. Now it takes one button click to deny a fed assassin any kill. And btw. Talk to me when you leave bronze.
: it ruin nothing. If you stuck silvers or golds its not due to x potential smurfs.
It ruins every game because peopel who are not supposed to play in certain elo are changing the tides of games completely. Amount of smurfs playing in games is very high. Especially due to sht state of the game that screws solo carrying, people create smurfs to have fun stomping 1v9.
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FridgeD (EUW)
: Yeah, and because poppy is such a lane bully monster and tanks work best in teamfights later, poppy has the highest winrate in toplane. But maybe you just thought this is post about mundo. And btw: tell any nasus darius trundle or yorick main (basically all juggernauts) that tanks are unbeatable in lane.
Wow. Bringing up literally the only champions that are as cancerous in lane as tanks. Not mentioning that trundle is actually a tank buster so no sht he can win lane Vs a tank.
Sarutobi (NA)
: If this is his first offense then the least he can do is get a Chat Restriction, which means he will still be able to play. If not, assuming what he wrote was some of the Zero Tolerance lingo, he could face 2-weeks to a permaban. As long as you reported him, as well as wrote a detailed list of what happen during the game as it would help the system know/understand people who are breaking the rules!
I did explain everything he did very well in a report. However if he gets banned it will be probably only chat restriction since riot rarely ever ban trolls. Even if he didn't say anything negative in chat he still did his best to lose the game on purpose.
: Mute all and try not to be able troll actions personally. Pay the no attention, report and move on. Without interaction Trolls are powerless.
They are not powerless. I won that game only because my bot lane was so good that we were able to 4v6 that game. In any other situation this would be lost. Nobody has talked anything to him but he kept inting and afking near base.
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