: > [{quoted}](name=Pierce The Veal,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RPBqP5H2,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-11-23T19:05:33.589+0000) > > Because 8% true damage wasn’t doing shit. > > Mages have access to 33 flat magic pen plus 40% magic pen, with no good way to itemize against it. The solution would be building health since 33/40% is practically true damage, but they have liandries to further deal with that. > > AD carries on the other hand have dps that far exceeds the capability of a tank to build against. They can get upwards of 2k dps, which even with 300 armor will kill a 5000 hp tank in 10 seconds, let alone if they build penetration and lord dominick’s/mortal reminder or actually use abilities. > > People have always hated on bruisers. It was never the bruisers that were the problem, bruisers, like tanks, were barely holding on. Consistent damage is meant to be how you take down a frontline though. Who provides consistent dps in a team? Oh yeah.... Marksmen!
There's something called {{champion:13}} {{champion:69}} {{champion:8}} That does the job of marksman better While Being tankier and Thats why they are abused alot in high elo
: > [{quoted}](name=TTg Scirocco5,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RPBqP5H2,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-11-23T16:52:29.301+0000) > > Everyone was so sure and convinced last season That extra 8 % converted true damage on conqueror Was Whats pushing tanks away and not making them viable ? But im confused now Because Since true damage is gone on conq , Shouldnt tanks Good rightnow ? Wasnt Bruiser as class reason tanks being pushed away last season ? Can i get explanation now ? Because 8% true damage wasn’t doing shit. Mages have access to 33 flat magic pen plus 40% magic pen, with no good way to itemize against it. The solution would be building health since 33/40% is practically true damage, but they have liandries to further deal with that. AD carries on the other hand have dps that far exceeds the capability of a tank to build against. They can get upwards of 2k dps, which even with 300 armor will kill a 5000 hp tank in 10 seconds, let alone if they build penetration and lord dominick’s/mortal reminder or actually use abilities. People have always hated on bruisers. It was never the bruisers that were the problem, bruisers, like tanks, were barely holding on.
Dont say That, everyone here has probleme with anyone say that mages are overpower and they insta downvoted him
: Here's what annoys me about tanks that cry about Vayne: She literally has to hammer EACH of you around 2 volleys of Silver bolts to actually kill 1. If you are with your team, Vayne dies in the process almost ALWAYS. Sure she can pick off a solo tank, but that's not a very smart tank, is it?
With rage blade, She can proce her w 2 or 3 time in 3 or 4 seconde And if she has lethal temp ohh Well ... Btw how can u catch her Since she's invisible half time bc of that stupid q change they made early season
: Ornn is the best Tank. Poppy is probably #2. IE ..... tanks that don't build on Support itemization.
Ornn is best tank Because he has the best tank items in game with this upgrade
: > consider his win rate is around 55 % I think he's the best actual tank we have but yeah, I only said he should be even better now. As for Malph xD We're all aware of his AP shenanigans by now, I only said you can actually play him tank now without trolling as much.
Riot cleare ignoring Problemes of Whats making league unbalanced And which will just make season as shitt as season 9 and 8. Mages are fuking overpowered and remain untouch, {{champion:145}} and {{champion:67}} Didnt receve any direct changes to there kit That we been asking for, Adc are still strong and dont tell me otherwise intel {{item:3047}} Get buff. Only thing riot has changed compare to season 9 is make bruiser and tanks more useless While buffing range champ and gutted jgl which is just gona help midlaner win even more ... The game in next few month is gona become better midlaner win
: People are just dumb as shit.
Probleme personnaly for me is mages and Some picks . i think mages as hole is what keeping tanks unviable. everyone was so convinced That conq and bruiser was probleme made them forget the fact that {{champion:13}} with his current stat remain unnerfed, That fact That mages are impossible to build any defensive item against Since there bruild gives so much ap and free magic pen. What tank with {{item:3065}} {{item:3194}} do vs {{item:3285}} {{item:3135}} {{item:3020}} {{item:3089}} {{item:3151}} Mage? Absoutly nothing. How can u play tank When champ like {{champion:145}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:63}} {{champion:28}} {{champion:245}} {{champion:17}} are pretty much in everygame? or Fact that {{item:3124}} {{item:3153}} {{item:3031}} exist ?
: Idk, we had so much dmg overload that I just got used to it, tanks are about CC and shiz, that won't get you tower plates and solo kills. Mundo might be a little better now, you could play tank Malph again, but it's same old shiz, you're playing lane not to lose rather.
Dont tell me {{champion:54}}is tank anymore ... he leggit build full ap and 1 shoot squichies and Mundo does shitt tone of damage While being so hard to take down Which just makes him Broken champ at this point consider his win rate is around 55 %
Rioter Comments
: How about just wanting a fair chance vs ranged? There's nothing fun or engaging about playing into a ranged as melee - only hardcore frustration, as you don't get to farm much or really play the game if they have half a brain. There needs to be counterplay of some sort, be it through new map mechanics or items. I don't mind getting counterpicked when it's melee vs melee, because it's usually a much fairer mathcup, with a far bigger chance of winning, than vs ranged. I.e. I can deal with winning or losing to a Darius just fine, as he has clear counterplay, and if I lose I usually know where I misstepped and that I had a chance. When dealing with Karma, Kennen, Quinn, etc etc, you just autolose the lane, unless they by some miracle are 1+ full divisions below you in skill, and even then, it can be a hard sell. They could buff Doran's shield to 80 HP over 8 sec and it still wouldn't matter in those matchups, as it's still based on missing health and not nearly enough, so you'll still be at like 40-60% health at best, and can't all-in easily either. For starters, they could remove the missing health condition when getting hit by ranged attacks. However, I also think extra hp regen on hit is a cheap way of solving it, and worse, it would be insanely hard to balance properly that way - as too much and ranged are useless, too little and melee are useless. But hey, at least klepto is gone...
How care if klepto is gone ? New conq being useless on bruiser is beyond busted on range mages now So riot just gave them even better reason to go toplane Since bruiser cant do shitt anymore
: What happened to addressing melee vs ranged matchups?
U are correct. It got worst with new conq Being useless on bruiser and beyond strong on range mages {{champion:13}} {{champion:69}} {{champion:8}} {{champion:74}} {{champion:50}} {{champion:85}} Even {{champion:17}} , The new item {{item:3181}} and reworkd {{item:3095}} made Adc can just go toplane , Win lane and outscale such {{champion:67}} {{champion:18}} {{champion:133}} {{champion:236}}, i sow ppl goin {{champion:51}} and {{champion:429}} Top and Just auto win lane Bc what can u do as tank or bruiser to stop them ? I think {{champion:10}} is more better now with new conqueror absoutly nothing So good job riot, u attempt to make toplane better role Just made it worst then before
Rioter Comments
: you want teleport to be buffed? what is wrong with you man
hahahah, i like actualy forbidden for toplaner to be impactfull or relevant in this game.
Dynikus (NA)
: >its clear become 5 v5 death ball in botlane Again In the season where they're adding top lane agency with respawning rift herald and more solo lane xp, in addition to making dragons overall a less necessary wincon as elder isn't effected by other drags?
Did u actualy check What dragon buffs give ? Im gona assume u didnt Because if u did, u'll change ur mind about dragons not being winning condition
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Eedat (NA)
: You realize they are removing {{item:3161}} right?
{{item:3161}} Doesnt matter Bc jax is already strong Before he gets it
Rioter Comments
: Burst builds are becoming the norm, and it sucks.
Mages item are just overpowered and need adjustement in preseason Plus magic resist item need buffs and we need new deffensive item in game
: i dont get it? i did the same post about ryze too but i got down voted and commented by braindead people who saying it was fine. like seriously? whenever i post something about a bug or unbalanced thing i get down voted for no reason. whats up with this boards? i am sorry i had to down vote this.
That also happen to me When i made post about either "toplane is weak role > Insta downvoted", "Mages are overpowered class at all stage of game>insta downvoted", " even indirect Post about maybe adc are bet strong and out of line ? > insta downvoted", ... SO u not Solo on that buddy
Vlada Cut (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=TTg Scirocco5,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sbFRwgcb,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2019-11-17T10:46:38.229+0000) > > u cant dodge pyke ult btw with camille untargetablity ? even if u perfect time it, u get hit by damage Dont talk silver nonesense before checking your sources. Camille's Untergability DODGES Pyke's ultimate in any case, go play the match up.
First of all, my main is plat 3 Seconde, I have near 1 k game played on camile this season across 5 account and im telling u its not consistence
: > [{quoted}](name=TTg Scirocco5,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sbFRwgcb,comment-id=00060001,timestamp=2019-11-17T10:45:01.866+0000) > > Isnt the hole counter play to yumi to burst her When she attach from target to an other ? Thats Why She's so squichie ? no, grievous wounds and some dmg will do better, you kill who she's on, then you kill her. if you are to target the yuumi first and she mounts someone, you've wasted your moves. like yo i shouldn't have to explain this ya'll should be playing the damn game,
Is that way everytime yumi got picked at world or lck, They counter it with volibear or nautlis because it can stop her or rather cancel attach from target to an other ?
Charmy Bird (EUNE)
: Especially his latest gameplay rework made him way easier and stronger. I still do not understand why ryze has so many point click abilities that deal good damage and root while having cooldown resets. How can u rework a champion so many times and still fail?
Because nein of reworks actualy fixed Whats is wrong with champ and They are just pells to stop community from whining about how broken and braindead Champ is How do u play ryze ? u build {{item:3003}} and then {{item:3800}}, u run into ppl, Press point click then then an other point click and now ur target is stuned and its impossible for u to miss skillshoot, This combo will deal 1k + damage and if ur team is grouping the e q become aoe burst...
Glory97 (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Ariel the Cruel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sbFRwgcb,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-11-16T15:38:13.126+0000) > > Unless I'm mistaken, Yuumi becomes untargetable the moment she uses W. In which case, what ever CC is being used to keep her in there fails to prevent her escape. Normally, she'd be knocked back in when she becomes targetable again (I believe Tahm Kench's devour works this way), but that doesn't work if she stays attached to an ally (and therefore untargetable) for the ult duration. > > The thing to test here would be to have Yuumi W while affected by another grounded effect (Cass has one if I recall). If she can't W in that scenario, it's a bug with Camille's ult interaction. If she can W, then it's a case of W not being considered a movement skill (and therefore may be intended). > > Disclaimer: I haven't played Yuumi or Camille, and barely see them when I do play. So this is all hypothetical. Exactly that. I don't think its a bug, but just how this interaction is supposed to work.
think of it as {{champion:82}} ulted yumi But she w away from zone if there allie out side of zone were visable
: I don't think Camille's R has a grounded effect. I'm pretty sure I've dashed around *inside* of it. Yuumi's W also only makes her untargetable once W *completes*, not once she casts it. It sounds like it's technically valid interaction (based on how TK works), since she's bound to an ally (much like whoever TK eats is bound to him, or whoever Kalista Rs is bound to her, and both of them can take an ally out as long as they remain bound), just seems really shitty because of how Yuumi's W acts compared to their abilities.
Once again i'll explain. u can cancel camille ult by being untargetable WHen she cast her ultimate. Camille ultimate has cast time. if u can be untargetable in that cast time lets say with fizz E, zed ult, hourlgass, tk W, u can cancel it But once u are in the ult u cant get out By everymean inless {{champion:64}} {{champion:78}} {{champion:12}} Nock u out of it. Thats letarly way {{champion:78}} consider the most aidds champ to face as camille and her biggest counter.
: ***
i lost and won games because of yumi solo carrying. i got penta Bc of yumi on top of me. Champ may be underrated But u have to pay her respect Since she can heal u to full hp with 2 buttons
Vlada Cut (EUNE)
: I know an even more annoying Camille ultimate bug. Being damaged by abilities during your untargetability. ^^
u cant dodge pyke ult btw with camille untargetablity ? even if u perfect time it, u get hit by damage
: working as intended, yuumi's w target is in your ult so she gets to ride. why you ulting yuumi? like yikes bro
Isnt the hole counter play to yumi to burst her When she attach from target to an other ? Thats Why She's so squichie ?
Naalith (NA)
: The only other two ways someone can leave Camille ult that I know of are Kalista ulting an ally she is bound to and Tahm eating an ally and walking out. Obviously Tahm now gets 95% slowed on eating an ally so even that isn't really useful information now. I guess both of those champions barely exist lol.
i played like 500 camille game this season, Kalista ult Doesnt get target out of wall, ryze cant ult out, U cant even teleport out of camille ult, u can thresh lantern out of it, even malphite if he try to ult away, the ult zone Stop him But for Some reason yumi is above all and cann just w out into target
: Can ekko ult out? He's also untargetable
No ekko cant ult out. he can get the healing but the ult wall will zone him But fuking yumi can just w away into target out of ult zone
: Ryze has the highest base HP out of all ranged champions by a long shot. Even longer shot if you don't include the melee champion that was recently buffed to be ranged {{champion:427}} .
he also has the highest damage of them all While building pure tank item. Nice designe riot <3
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Tworie (NA)
: So are you asking why a single target ability doesn't affect two people at the same time?
NO, im asking why yumi can w away into target While i traped her as camille ? Even tho the target she attached too is out of ult zone
: Unless I'm mistaken, Yuumi becomes untargetable the moment she uses W. In which case, what ever CC is being used to keep her in there fails to prevent her escape. Normally, she'd be knocked back in when she becomes targetable again (I believe Tahm Kench's devour works this way), but that doesn't work if she stays attached to an ally (and therefore untargetable) for the ult duration. The thing to test here would be to have Yuumi W while affected by another grounded effect (Cass has one if I recall). If she can't W in that scenario, it's a bug with Camille's ult interaction. If she can W, then it's a case of W not being considered a movement skill (and therefore may be intended). Disclaimer: I haven't played Yuumi or Camille, and barely see them when I do play. So this is all hypothetical.
untargetable doesnt cancel camille ult after it already been cast, Camille ult has 1.5 seconde cast time after That her target is traped Inleas She's nocked away, u can dodge camille ult or rather cancel it in That animation But after That u cant and even if u become untargetable or hourlgass inside of ult, u still remain in zone MeanWhile yumi can Just w away out of zone
Kuponya (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Hi Its Scirocco,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sbFRwgcb,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-11-16T13:01:31.835+0000) > > yumi can w away When she's traped in camille ult, She leave the ult like its nothing and ignoring how camille ult work W into someone inside of the ult or outside? Cause if she can attach to someone inside and then that person walks out, that is a normal interaction
CytheGuy (NA)
: This is the order of events OP is describing: * Camille ults Yuumi * Yuumi casts W on a target outside of the zone created by Camille ult * Yuumi escapes unhindered by the zone
: > Unranked to diamond > Complains about a noobstomper I rest my case. She is literally ass the moment you know how to play around her weak level 1 to 5, her tentacles and dodging E, she's ass against all-ins pre 6 and requires to land E to even match other melees.
Funy coming from an illoi main
iiGazeii (NA)
: Illaoi is one of the most skill-intensive toplaners. If you see her stand in range of a bunch of tentacles, you know she's looking to E you. Side step it. She has counterplay. Limited range. No hard CC. Everything is telegraphed. Dependent on a single, thin skillshot with a long cooldown to get good trades. Literally all you have to do to counter Illaoi is to sidestep her one skillshot and walk away when she ults. If you do that, she has nothing.
I think i just said I sedestep her E and clear her passive then all in her but she ulted me and spam W and bascly got 3 shoot
: There are worse than Illaoi to face... Illaoi may be strong but if you can kick her or keep your distances, she isn't strong. You can talk about {{champion:83}} who is never played but who have a stupid regen, stupid dmg, his W who is annoying... Illaoi is not less annoying than Darius, Riven, Fiora, Yorick, Renekton, Irelia... Top lane is shiit hole, everything is about counterpick. If you picked Kayle or Irelia vs Illaoi, you would have win but you picked Fiora so you lose. It's counterpick... It's hard because it's top lane and top lane isn't balanced, turrets don't give you protection, junglers are permaganking... The problem isn't Illaoi herself but Top lane balance.
U are right about yorick, I was facing yesterday as fiora, He {{item:3078}} {{item:3075}} {{item:3047}} and i was feed fiora with {{item:3074}} {{item:3078}} {{item:3053}} {{item:3161}} {{item:3047}} , I try to 1 v1 him as tipicall fiora player bc whats my champ made to, He just out dps me and killed me, Its was so stupid and doesnt make any synthese. I even watch replay and see what i did wrong but he just out traded me just like that and it honesly triggered me and made me wonder What is point from playing this unbalance role when low skill champ that i have 2 item lead on him on champ that is extremly hard to play can just kill me like that
: I never have to deal with her because honesly when ever i see her, I just insta dodge for near all season now, I fighted her once in early season, She miss her E, i tryed to all in her with riven, She press and spam w and bascly 3 shooted me from 70 % hp, From that moment i told my self this last time i ever face this shitt
Thats apperantly only option against her
: Illaoi is made to kill stupid annoying champs in top lane like {{champion:122}} {{champion:114}} {{champion:92}} {{champion:58}}... Why you complain about her ? She is useless when she is facing ranged champs.
So we all suppose to just auto lose lane and hope for rng god to give us winning teammaes everytime we face illoi as mele champ in toplane ? Yup, Thats sound balance
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