: They changed those splashes to make her face look like the ugly base, when that's the one that should have been changed. What's the point in changing every splash to resemble the one that has the issues when it could be fixed instead? http://pre07.deviantart.net/ffe9/th/pre/f/2012/016/e/8/lol___ahri_by_knockwurst-d4mlo2a.jpg _This_ is what Ahri looks like. Not this http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RWZ5vd0odwk/VJIo2K7o2fI/AAAAAAAAgPQ/wxGFh2n5Fk8/s1600/Ahri_Splash_0.jpg
> [{quoted}](name=Keevalroy,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=76UrXhlJ,comment-id=000100020000,timestamp=2016-03-28T15:02:56.345+0000) > > They changed those splashes to make her face look like the ugly base, when that's the one that should have been changed. What's the point in changing every splash to resemble the one that has the issues when it could be fixed instead? > > http://pre07.deviantart.net/ffe9/th/pre/f/2012/016/e/8/lol___ahri_by_knockwurst-d4mlo2a.jpg > > _This_ is what Ahri looks like. > > Not this > > http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RWZ5vd0odwk/VJIo2K7o2fI/AAAAAAAAgPQ/wxGFh2n5Fk8/s1600/Ahri_Splash_0.jpg Agreed, though a lot of people seem not to share the opinion. Which is a bit odd to me, but to each their own.
: Uhm... you do realize that the Ahri splash you showed isn't even the Chinese one, right? THIS is the Chinese Midnight Ahri splash. http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/2/22/Ahri_MidnightSkin_Ch.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121128190021 And thank God we're not getting that... thing...
> [{quoted}](name=AntiSkillshot,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=76UrXhlJ,comment-id=001a,timestamp=2016-03-27T02:24:08.217+0000) > > Uhm... you do realize that the Ahri splash you showed isn't even the Chinese one, right? > > THIS is the Chinese Midnight Ahri splash. http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/2/22/Ahri_MidnightSkin_Ch.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121128190021 > > And thank God we're not getting that... thing... I was basing my post by what was shown on Surrender@20. Which was what I linked, from there. However, even the one you show has the same problem - generic body woman with the exact same proportions as the other "new" pieces, with a face that doesn't even come close to looking anything like Ahri does. Heck, they didn't even bother to add the whisker-like marks on her face that are one of her biggest identifiers. And on Ahri in general - yes, the old splash arts for all skins were one with a more animalistic face - whether it was feline or not I won't delve into - but that was a part of her identity and charm - to show she's not quite human, but getting there. It's what made her unique on the font of other female champions, like Katarina's scar, Janna's elven features, etc. Not all champions have those, male or female - some are far more distinguishing by their hair, or other features, but when one does have some identifier like this, it does nothing for the character to remove it just so he picture would be a higher definition.
: First of all, that's Crimson Akali, not Blood Moon Akali. You're so up in arms about that one in particular but you don't even know which skin it is. On that note, here's the current **Crimson** Akali splash and the new one: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/6/65/Akali_CrimsonSkin.jpg/revision/20160325210204 http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/6/65/Akali_CrimsonSkin.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160325210205 Tell me which one is more "expressive," the one with the straight face swinging her kama at nothing in a generic dojo looking background (because she's a ninja, right) or the one where she's in some dark underworld or something holding some demonic looking head with blood dripping out? There's an actual setting and atmosphere in the 'new' splash. If anything, the old one is more generic anime ninja than the new one, a thing you yourself complain about (which is a load of bull by the way, more below). Secret Agent Miss Fortune: http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/5/5f/Miss_Fortune_SecretAgentSkin.jpg/revision/20160326011229 https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UkPE3_XFh44/VvWrda65XbI/AAAAAAAAMqA/lJjW8PVpgRgxUvFkr9Zi1vSCO9wsfNEng/s1600/MissFortune_Splash_3.jpg Angry lady who shot up some dudes and a table in a strangely foggy bar or a confident armed lady own in the shady part of town getting the stink eye from some suspicious fellows? I'll hand it to you on this one, the old one is actually pretty decent if not a little boring to look at (there's literally nothing going on in two thirds of the image). That's a big thing though, the image is boring compared to the Chinese one. [You can cut out more than half of the image and get the same scene](http://i.imgur.com/zrrEU2L.png). As far as expression goes though, the only real difference is one is angry and one isn't. I assume that's really what you're on about when you talk about how expressive they are, but to that I say "so what?" People don't have to have to wear a particularly strong emotion at all times. There's more to people than just _angry_. How about the Janna splashes?: http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/5/52/Janna_TempestSkin.jpg/revision/20160326005313 https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-iQ_XrKlOCpo/VvWrbu8RVpI/AAAAAAAAMpQ/HWMRqOMOmGUVBDFwdpSx5M6Oisff6uS0Q/s1600/Janna_Splash_1.jpg Woman floating around in a foggy void weilding some zappy staff or a woman soaring high in the clouds clearly brewing up a storm? What does the old one have that the new one doesn't have and then some? The old one is boring, has nothing going on, and Janna looks so bored. At least in the new one she's doing something. As far as facial expression goes, they both are wearing a straight face. Here we have to look to their body for expression, and here is where the old splash falls flat. As mentioned, she looks almost bored and isn't really doing much of anything other than float there. This is more expressive in your eyes? These are just three that you yourself mentioned. I could do more, but for the sake of brevity I won't here. You can compare them yourself if you like. Regarding the style, to say they all look like generic anime girls really demonstrates how much you actually looked at them (that is to say, barely if at all). Just because they are done in the same, but different to our own, style that does not make them generic. That is just insulting to the artists. They're filled with detail and expression that clearly you're missing, either due to your bias or maybe you're just blind, and to say that they're all bad because one or two are bad is absolutely ridiculous. Yes, some of them _are_ bad, but most of them are at the very least as good if not better than the splash arts they are replacing. All of them are still very clearly the champions they are meant to depict, they have all their defining features and recognizable. The art quality is almost universally better, with better anatomy, better detail, and better scenes. ---- _**TL;DR**_: Most of what you're saying is a load of shit. If you don't like the Chinese splashes' style, that's your opinion and you're free to have it. To say that they're objectively worse however, is just wrong. If you honestly think most of them are somehow less expressive than the current ones, you need to get your eyes checked.
> [{quoted}](name=Ron Pitts,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=76UrXhlJ,comment-id=000800000000,timestamp=2016-03-26T23:26:58.112+0000) > > First of all, that's Crimson Akali, not Blood Moon Akali. You're so up in arms about that one in particular but you don't even know which skin it is. On that note, here's the current **Crimson** Akali splash and the new one: > http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/6/65/Akali_CrimsonSkin.jpg/revision/20160325210204 http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/6/65/Akali_CrimsonSkin.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160325210205 > Tell me which one is more "expressive," the one with the straight face swinging her kama at nothing in a generic dojo looking background (because she's a ninja, right) or the one where she's in some dark underworld or something holding some demonic looking head with blood dripping out? There's an actual setting and atmosphere in the 'new' splash. If anything, the old one is more generic anime ninja than the new one, a thing you yourself complain about (which is a load of bull by the way, more below). > > Secret Agent Miss Fortune: > http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/5/5f/Miss_Fortune_SecretAgentSkin.jpg/revision/20160326011229 https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UkPE3_XFh44/VvWrda65XbI/AAAAAAAAMqA/lJjW8PVpgRgxUvFkr9Zi1vSCO9wsfNEng/s1600/MissFortune_Splash_3.jpg > Angry lady who shot up some dudes and a table in a strangely foggy bar or a confident armed lady own in the shady part of town getting the stink eye from some suspicious fellows? I'll hand it to you on this one, the old one is actually pretty decent if not a little boring to look at (there's literally nothing going on in two thirds of the image). That's a big thing though, the image is boring compared to the Chinese one. [You can cut out more than half of the image and get the same scene](http://i.imgur.com/zrrEU2L.png). As far as expression goes though, the only real difference is one is angry and one isn't. I assume that's really what you're on about when you talk about how expressive they are, but to that I say "so what?" People don't have to have to wear a particularly strong emotion at all times. There's more to people than just _angry_. > > How about the Janna splashes?: > http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/5/52/Janna_TempestSkin.jpg/revision/20160326005313 https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-iQ_XrKlOCpo/VvWrbu8RVpI/AAAAAAAAMpQ/HWMRqOMOmGUVBDFwdpSx5M6Oisff6uS0Q/s1600/Janna_Splash_1.jpg > Woman floating around in a foggy void weilding some zappy staff or a woman soaring high in the clouds clearly brewing up a storm? What does the old one have that the new one doesn't have and then some? The old one is boring, has nothing going on, and Janna looks so bored. At least in the new one she's doing something. As far as facial expression goes, they both are wearing a straight face. Here we have to look to their body for expression, and here is where the old splash falls flat. As mentioned, she looks almost bored and isn't really doing much of anything other than float there. This is more expressive in your eyes? > > These are just three that you yourself mentioned. I could do more, but for the sake of brevity I won't here. You can compare them yourself if you like. > > Regarding the style, to say they all look like generic anime girls really demonstrates how much you actually looked at them (that is to say, barely if at all). Just because they are done in the same, but different to our own, style that does not make them generic. That is just insulting to the artists. They're filled with detail and expression that clearly you're missing, either due to your bias or maybe you're just blind, and to say that they're all bad because one or two are bad is absolutely ridiculous. Yes, some of them _are_ bad, but most of them are at the very least as good if not better than the splash arts they are replacing. All of them are still very clearly the champions they are meant to depict, they have all their defining features and recognizable. The art quality is almost universally better, with better anatomy, better detail, and better scenes. > ---- > _**TL;DR**_: Most of what you're saying is a load of shit. If you don't like the Chinese splashes' style, that's your opinion and you're free to have it. To say that they're objectively worse however, is just wrong. If you honestly think most of them are somehow less expressive than the current ones, you need to get your eyes checked. Since I'm pretty tired to make a prolonged post, I will try to keep it short. While I don't quite appreciate your tone, I do appreciate the work you put in your post. On Akali: First, thank you for pointing it out. I genuinely did not realize that splash art was Crimson Akali, and not Blood Moon Akali. Which, by the way, is a pretty damn big problem on its own. The MF splashes I am somewhat torn on. While there is a lot to be desired there, the new splashes aren't bad on their own. The faces are practically the same, although on its own I would say that the Secret Agent one is one of the few that are an improvement. On emotion - The problem isn't that she's not angry. It's that she's hardly showing much emotion, but I can accept that there is a certain attempt at a look of seductiveness. I will give this one to you. Now for Janna: While the art is definitely dated and can be a lot better, it has dynamic. It has expression. The facial and body proportions are consistent with other Janna splash arts. The Chinese one is pure anime face and the flawless figure. The long, elfish face has been consistent along Janna splashes - we do not see this in the Chinese one, which again, is a completely generic anime face. Her body type is the same - compare it to the earlier Crimson Akali one, and they are but identical. In the old Janna one, the spiky hair speaks "Tempest" far better than the gently flowing one in the Chinese piece. The background might be more "obviously" accurate, sure. But ask any serious artist, and they will tell you the true art is in the subtle things, not the obvious ones. This is not about not liking Chinese art, because real Chinese art is in many ways different but also better than Western art. There are some amazing pieces of both Eastern and Western ones. I gave my opinion as an artist who has been studying League splashes for a long time, since they were doing the Art Spotlights, and following League artists to study how they approach different champions. I appreciate League art a lot, because the visual style is vibrant, deep, and in many cases, even those splash arts that eventually get scrapped, like an Ezrael one sometime ago, show levels of expression, dynamic and overall feel of both character and background that I've seen matched in a few other games. Which is exactly why I am so upset to see those splash arts that while I admit are dated, are still very, very good pieces, even if not in the HD quality of newer ones, be replaced with ones that are not only not better, but take away from the identity of characters, are bland and overall uninteresting. Sure, they may be more refined. But that does not make them better on its own.
: Yo if you have a problem with the Ahri splashes, that's cool. I kinda agree that they're pretty unnecessary, it's literally just face changes. But a lot of the Chinese art is really cool and are perfectly good pieces. You can't just link the Ahri face change and say that all the Chinese art is equally lame. Here's some good ones for example, that all are just as good if not improvements over the originals: https://2.bp.blogspot.com/--8Kxq4gvKac/VvWrdnPfm7I/AAAAAAAAMp8/-oy_KSSQELI_wNL9ENfjWgjGyJaC36gow/s1600/MissFortune_Splash_5.jpg https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UkPE3_XFh44/VvWrda65XbI/AAAAAAAAMqA/lJjW8PVpgRgxUvFkr9Zi1vSCO9wsfNEng/s1600/MissFortune_Splash_3.jpg https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-V9Fvgql4GDw/VvWrXsoKbhI/AAAAAAAAMn4/y2oGLtQpZ0Qz8foeee0IMnqIP4T2WU_gA/s1600/Akali_Splash_6.jpg https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-e1ketrNSkPE/VvWrXRYby_I/AAAAAAAAMn0/ZjXEGq0yFWMNhhyBKvVHqdqLFgs6Pdi8A/s1600/Akali_Splash_2.jpg https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-uDrZZPuQMpY/VvWrX2wKEDI/AAAAAAAAMn8/6ThCpjB8GskN30Xm6pFbXFrxyWPpyhCDw/s1600/Alistar_Splash_4.jpg https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8ViplORhINE/VvWraEjJMKI/AAAAAAAAMow/_d0if8DF1UsE6EWo_14WRRDOcqqYL2xfw/s1600/Evelynn_Splash_1.jpg https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-iQ_XrKlOCpo/VvWrbu8RVpI/AAAAAAAAMpQ/HWMRqOMOmGUVBDFwdpSx5M6Oisff6uS0Q/s1600/Janna_Splash_1.jpg https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-k6CXLykldCw/VvWrc-5pq-I/AAAAAAAAMps/_-W31_DyMQYnthrQDUIN3pdGoXHc8gq6g/s1600/MasterYi_Splash_4.jpg That's all just from the current batch on the PBE and it's not even _all_ the good ones. Compare them to some of the current splashes: http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/9/9c/Akali_SilverfangSkin.jpg/revision/20160325210318 http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/8/8f/Evelynn_ShadowSkin.jpg/revision/20160325224005 http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/5/52/Janna_TempestSkin.jpg/revision/20160326005313 I know taste is subjective, but the Chinese ones are way better than these. You can't just go cherry picking and making blanket statements about the other splashes. Yes, some are pretty lame. [The Fiora splash is particularly lame compared to the current.](https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qG7aito4V9g/VvWrakrwt2I/AAAAAAAAMo8/RuVELCkeD7Elr7Q7Uvz9pZIozmT5pp9UA/s1600/Fiora_Splash_2.jpg) But to say they're all just as bad is just wrong.
> [{quoted}](name=Ron Pitts,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=76UrXhlJ,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2016-03-26T20:05:37.960+0000) > > Yo if you have a problem with the Ahri splashes, that's cool. I kinda agree that they're pretty unnecessary, it's literally just face changes. But a lot of the Chinese art is really cool and are perfectly good pieces. You can't just link the Ahri face change and say that all the Chinese art is equally lame. > Here's some good ones for example, that all are just as good if not improvements over the originals: > https://2.bp.blogspot.com/--8Kxq4gvKac/VvWrdnPfm7I/AAAAAAAAMp8/-oy_KSSQELI_wNL9ENfjWgjGyJaC36gow/s1600/MissFortune_Splash_5.jpg https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UkPE3_XFh44/VvWrda65XbI/AAAAAAAAMqA/lJjW8PVpgRgxUvFkr9Zi1vSCO9wsfNEng/s1600/MissFortune_Splash_3.jpg > https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-V9Fvgql4GDw/VvWrXsoKbhI/AAAAAAAAMn4/y2oGLtQpZ0Qz8foeee0IMnqIP4T2WU_gA/s1600/Akali_Splash_6.jpg https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-e1ketrNSkPE/VvWrXRYby_I/AAAAAAAAMn0/ZjXEGq0yFWMNhhyBKvVHqdqLFgs6Pdi8A/s1600/Akali_Splash_2.jpg > https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-uDrZZPuQMpY/VvWrX2wKEDI/AAAAAAAAMn8/6ThCpjB8GskN30Xm6pFbXFrxyWPpyhCDw/s1600/Alistar_Splash_4.jpg https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8ViplORhINE/VvWraEjJMKI/AAAAAAAAMow/_d0if8DF1UsE6EWo_14WRRDOcqqYL2xfw/s1600/Evelynn_Splash_1.jpg > https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-iQ_XrKlOCpo/VvWrbu8RVpI/AAAAAAAAMpQ/HWMRqOMOmGUVBDFwdpSx5M6Oisff6uS0Q/s1600/Janna_Splash_1.jpg https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-k6CXLykldCw/VvWrc-5pq-I/AAAAAAAAMps/_-W31_DyMQYnthrQDUIN3pdGoXHc8gq6g/s1600/MasterYi_Splash_4.jpg > That's all just from the current batch on the PBE and it's not even _all_ the good ones. > > Compare them to some of the current splashes: > http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/9/9c/Akali_SilverfangSkin.jpg/revision/20160325210318 http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/8/8f/Evelynn_ShadowSkin.jpg/revision/20160325224005 http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/5/52/Janna_TempestSkin.jpg/revision/20160326005313 > I know taste is subjective, but the Chinese ones are way better than these. > > You can't just go cherry picking and making blanket statements about the other splashes. Yes, some are pretty lame. [The Fiora splash is particularly lame compared to the current.](https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qG7aito4V9g/VvWrakrwt2I/AAAAAAAAMo8/RuVELCkeD7Elr7Q7Uvz9pZIozmT5pp9UA/s1600/Fiora_Splash_2.jpg) But to say they're all just as bad is just wrong. Compared to the Janna and Evelynn ones, the "new" ones are somewhat an improvement, yes. I disagree about the Akali one, however. The problem is that while the new ones certainly have higher definition in most cases, definition is not the only way to judge a picture's quality. The Akali one has far more character in it, from pose, to expression, to background. The artstyle is also much more alike to the League one. The new one suffers from the usual lack of expressiveness. Don't get me started on the new Blood Moon Akali - Again, it is higher definition, but as a picture it lacks any sort of character or feeling. It's just dry. So are the MF ones. Alistar doesnt look like a benevolent cow that smashes things now, but he looks like a rampaging, mindless bull. Which is not his character. MF and Janna ones - Sure, they are higher image quality, but once again lack any sort of feeling to them. They look generic pictures of anime girls dressed up to look like the champions, rather than the champions themselves.
Meep Man (NA)
: That new splash is pretty decent. The old one didnt have all that many details in the face, the new one just makes it look more similar to her current base splash really. Not much else.
> [{quoted}](name=Inept Maverick,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=76UrXhlJ,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-03-26T18:49:28.209+0000) > > That new splash is pretty decent. The old one didnt have all that many details in the face, the new one just makes it look more similar to her current base splash really. Not much else. Detail wise, yes, it is "better" if by better we assume that means higher definition. However, the face is absolutely generic - from facial structure to expression, you can literally put it on any other female's picture and it will look fine. That is unfortunately something that is prominent in the style of a lot of these "new" splashes - although this one isn't as bad as others, it is something regretful to do with a splash that currently shows a face with a lot more mystery to it, despite lower resolution.
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: If HotS has Sylvanas windrunner ill play it
> [{quoted}](name=GotRektGG,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=qGe2sJgi,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2014-12-12T15:45:34.214+0000) > If HotS has Sylvanas windrunner ill play it Why, you got the hots for her?
: > [{quoted}](name=Rivęn,realm=EUW,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=Kg5EFcHV,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2014-12-11T08:18:18.835+0000) > Its kind of funny, given that Riven's actually terrible right now, yet people will keep QQing about her regardless. No. She was always good. She scaled horrendously well with AD infinite gap closers a HUGE shield for sustain in fights SUSTAIN FROM LIFE STEAL AOE RANGED EXECUTE my god she also has a dash on her shield dont forget that
> [{quoted}](name=Challengur Smerf,realm=NA,application-id=mNBeEEkI,discussion-id=Kg5EFcHV,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2014-12-11T08:19:53.327+0000) > No. She was always good. She scaled horrendously well with AD infinite gap closers a HUGE shield for sustain in fights SUSTAIN FROM LIFE STEAL AOE RANGED EXECUTE my god she also has a dash on her shield dont forget that Had this argument way too often to really care anymore, but let me try this again, explaining bit by bit why what you're saying is not true. 1. Riven is not a bruiser. Don't even approach thinking of her with that mindset. If anything, she's a fighter, meaning she's supposed to get in a fight and stay in it. In a way, she's close to being a melee adc. 2. What used to be the problem with riven, and nobody disagreed with that, is that she had a very strong early game without giving much opportunity for attacking her back, and could snowball off of that. This is no longer the case, due to a long series of nerfs. - Her Q's damage on level one dropped down by a huge deal, especially on rank one. Her W damage was always unimpressive early either. Her E does no damage. Her passive is also weak early on, though it's all she really has. Overall, her early game damage has been all but removed. Those level 1-2 cheezes? Gone, and that's good for the enemy. Good enough, actually, that if anyone actually knows this, they can ignore her early attacks and fight back, and almost always get ahead of her in trades. What most people do is try to run away when she does her early Q combo, letting her land in some early damage without paying for it. It's a mistake, and honestly the only way I'm able to get ahead most of the time to survive lane phase. -Her "AD scaling shield" that seems to be a concern lasts a mere 1.5 seconds for a good while now. It was a problem when it was 2.5, yes. Now? You can ONLY use it to mitigate burst. For comparison, in the jungle your shield is only good for mitigating a single monster autoattack. It scales well and has a good base because it's meant to be strong, but last only for a moment. Working around it really isn't that hard. Don't blow your strongest attacks when its up, that's about it. Also, I never understood why its alright to have shields that scale with AP champions, like Orianna's, and that's fine, but when Riven had an AD scaling one, it's a problem. - Her "triple gap closer", when used entirely for movement, has on par range with most single gap closer skills, or below it. The only difference being that Riven gets to "navigate" her gap closer to travel in different directions more easily, though not a larger distance. It's imperative to note that she also has to pay for this: Her sustained damage is built in her Q. If you use your Q only to get to an enemy, you arrive there without much to hit them with. Which means bad trades, if they know to take advantage of it. - Her "ridiculous" ad steroid... I honestly don't really want to talk about that. I mean, come on. In a fight, Zed has potentially more mobility and damage than her, can get in and out more safely, and he has the same bonus as her ultimate gives lategame, passively. Yes, he's an assassin, you can't compare them properly like that. But you'll find that Riven's kit on its own, while making her a great brawler and skirmisher, doesn't let her execute people. Which is why we get to her... -AoE Execute. The single ranged ability in her kit. Did I forget to mention that you can poke her all you want, even with weak poke spells, and she can't retaliate? Riven needs to go in and commit if she wants to get anything out. Every ability but her ult active are melee range. If she uses her shield to shrug off poke, which she has to since she has zero health regeneration, meaning any damage you do to her sticks or calls for a potion, will stick to her until she backs or lifesteals if she's gotten that. This is an INCREDIBLY good way to mess with riven early, especially after the hard nerf health regeneration itemization received considering her in particular. Take advantage of that. Even getting minions to attack her while she's on you sets her back, since she just can't get that health back early. As for the execute itself: It's the only way for her to finish off most fleeing foes. After a fight, her cooldowns would be down, and as much as you'd like to say they're low, you usually have a good 10 seconds at minimum early game where she can just watch you chunk her without doing anything when she's used her combo. Riven cant chase you down after a fight in most cases, so she has to rely on her active to try and wrap things up. Oh, and you know a funny trick? Her ult is a cone. Meaning that if you're close to her, you can easily side-step it, or just get behind her. Anyways, I've got things to do, and I'm pretty sure you won't bother reading this anyway. Ta!
: so if riven loses a fight...
Its kind of funny, given that Riven's actually terrible right now, yet people will keep QQing about her regardless.
: > > > Do you ever see me defending any of those champs other than by saying Jax is a shit champ? > > > > that fact that you think Gp's kit is toxic when those champs listed and many others are far far worse is hilarious > > **GP's kit is way more toxic **than the likes of Syndra or Ori or Jax, but in the case of Syndra or Ori, they're just so stupidly broken. wut jax builds offense and gets defense stats.
> > > > Do you ever see me defending any of those champs other than by saying Jax is a shit champ? > > > > > > that fact that you think Gp's kit is toxic when those champs listed and many others are far far worse is hilarious > > > > **GP's kit is way more toxic **than the likes of Syndra or Ori or Jax, but in the case of Syndra or Ori, they're just so stupidly broken. > > wut > > jax builds offense and gets defense stats. And a lot of tanks get offense by building defense stats. Therefore tanks are toxic. Amidoingirite
: @ other Riven Mains
Why'd I even think GD could be helpful -.-'
: realized it was a joke after "she has nearly no dueling power until level 4" every riven i ever see tries to all in way before level 4. more like 2. (◡‿◡✿)
> realized it was a joke after > "she has nearly no dueling power until level 4" > every riven i ever see tries to all in way before level 4. more like 2. > (◡‿◡✿) Because that's the way she used to be played. A lot of people haven't caught up that unless your opponent decides to take free damage and run away, he can outduel her due to how low her level 1 base damages are on her abilities.
: @ other Riven Mains
Rioter Comments
ADC Bard (NA)
: The last Riven on my team ragequit after going 0-2
It's silly to expect to snowball with Riven anymore anyway o3o She barely has any earlygame to speak of.
: "Skarner's lore is so good and original"
Did you really expect there to be daily threads about "Gosh, I love Skarner's lore so much!" Before the changes happened?
: Even trying to catch Kalista as Riven or Akali is frustrating
If you flash-stun-triple Q her fast to lock her down long enough to be able to kill her with an ult, you've got a chance. Otherwise yeah good luck.
: > Instead of banning them. > > Gosh, this is more retarded than dota's low priority pool. > you're not teaching these trolls anything about improving their behaviors when you put them in a sandbox with 9 others trolls. What youre doing is letting those trolls learn from one another and how to improve their trolling. > > http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/api/embedly/1/image/resize?url=http%3A%2F%2Fboards.na.leagueoflegends.com%2Fapi%2Fembedly%2F1%2Fimage%2Fresize%3Furl%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fboards.na.leagueoflegends.com%252Fapi%252Fembedly%252F1%252Fimage%252Fresize%253Furl%253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fimgur.com%25252FKYs4Qok.gif%2526key%253Da45e967db0914c7fb472fd4381e6c85b%2526width%253D425%2526height%253D800%26key%3Da45e967db0914c7fb472fd4381e6c85b%26width%3D425&key=a45e967db0914c7fb472fd4381e6c85b&width=425 better question for ya why are you worried about a players behavior in the game? what i think is the biggest problem in this game is just that you care far to much. its like the classic squeaker on cod saying he went to bed with your mom. do you really beleive he went to bed with your mom? and why would you care what your mom does in bed? why so serious! it ** "is"** just a game! crazy right?! anyways you want it fixed stop giving a fuck and the big one Y more importantly fix match making so you can dodge pre game lobbies that are a tall tail sign of the horrible game to come. ^ the big one im like a psych i instantly know how a game will go if i get a bad lobby
> > Instead of banning them. > > > > Gosh, this is more retarded than dota's low priority pool. > > you're not teaching these trolls anything about improving their behaviors when you put them in a sandbox with 9 others trolls. What youre doing is letting those trolls learn from one another and how to improve their trolling. > > > > http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/api/embedly/1/image/resize?url=http%3A%2F%2Fboards.na.leagueoflegends.com%2Fapi%2Fembedly%2F1%2Fimage%2Fresize%3Furl%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fboards.na.leagueoflegends.com%252Fapi%252Fembedly%252F1%252Fimage%252Fresize%253Furl%253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fimgur.com%25252FKYs4Qok.gif%2526key%253Da45e967db0914c7fb472fd4381e6c85b%2526width%253D425%2526height%253D800%26key%3Da45e967db0914c7fb472fd4381e6c85b%26width%3D425&key=a45e967db0914c7fb472fd4381e6c85b&width=425 > > better question for ya why are you worried about a players behavior in the game? what i think is the biggest problem in this game is just that you care far to much. > > its like the classic squeaker on cod saying he went to bed with your mom. do you really beleive he went to bed with your mom? and why would you care what your mom does in bed? > > > why so serious! it ** "is"** just a game! crazy right?! anyways you want it fixed stop giving a fuck and > > > the big one > Y > more importantly fix match making so you can dodge pre game lobbies that are a tall tail sign of the horrible game to come. > ^ > the big one > > im like a psych i instantly know how a game will go if i get a bad lobby Maybe because normal people don't like being raged at and insulted, regardless of the method of communication? I never got this argument. "It's just a game so I'm allowed to be an asshole." People hate assholes in games as much as in real life.
: ITT you realize
Except she's a common pick in every tournament, and not cared for in between them. Nice try o3o
Zac x Me (NA)
: They should create a champ that has interactions with Sona and is always like: "NO, we can't murder everyone, Sona!" "NO, throwing people off a cliff is a bad thing to do, Sona!" "Stop it Sona, we won't murder and skin everyone we see, pls Sona you crazy beach!"
> They should create a champ that has interactions with Sona and is always like: > > "NO, we can't murder everyone, Sona!" > "NO, throwing people off a cliff is a bad thing to do, Sona!" > "Stop it Sona, we won't murder and skin everyone we see, pls Sona you crazy beach!" And she used to be such a charming girl, too.
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Zac x Me (NA)
: Rito, Shurima is like....
I like Shurima a fair deal o3o
: "Lol videos don't tell Lore r%%%%%"
"Over". I beg your pardon sir :v But just because the newest generation is bent on illiteracy does not mean the rest of us have a desire to forget what books are.
: > They have to be immobile but can't have tons of cc or damage? > > The reason they have tons of cc and damage is because they're immobilw. EXACTLY MY POINT. the whole game's balance revolves around mobility
> > They have to be immobile but can't have tons of cc or damage? > > > > The reason they have tons of cc and damage is because they're immobilw. > > EXACTLY MY POINT. the whole game's balance revolves around mobility And? Is that bad? If that's bad, why is it bad?
: I was wondering when you'd get around to Riven. Glad you mentioned the HP5; it's all the Waifu Defense Force ever brings up when someone mentions her.
> I was wondering when you'd get around to Riven. > > Glad you mentioned the HP5; it's all the Waifu Defense Force ever brings up when someone mentions her. So people shouldn't bring up her biggest downsides when other people bring up her biggest strengths in an argument? Okaye o3o
: Fiora just parried me twice in a row as Trist
Oh dear, someone managed to do something against the Marksman Gods, especially in the lategame? Riot, call a pressconference to explain this travesty.
: "LOL sion support is actually bad-ass"
: Someone on Reddit said"Riot made Janna as uglyas possible in her new splashart to desexualize her"
: "Diana is toxic because she gets tanky for building pure damage and instagibbs unaware people"
Except Riven's shield lasts for 1.5 seconds. Diana's is... 3? I can't remember, honestly. Oh, and it refreshes too.
: Player appearing as an ignite icon on map
Clearly, your teammate was ignited.
Hovo (NA)
: Why the f*** do people actually play ARAM?
I don't know why people play ARAM when it's dominated by ARAM Account abusers, really.
: Gut Sona
Considering she's seen nothing but nerfs or almost 3 years now, I feel like they might as well delete her. And she's not even good.
Anonagon (NA)
: Could Kassadin use a buff?
Kassading has been at low winrate for the lowest time? Let me remind you that he was practically a mandatory ban slot for over two years. Not just Season 3, at least half of Season 4 as well. All the way back in Season 2, while not *as* dominant competitively, he was still a mandatory ban in soloqueue. Rioters and casters alike made jokes about him being banned forever, and whenever he was not in competitive play, everyone was pretty sure that he would carry, and he usually did. He has been insanely powerful for so long that he deserves to be bad for a while. I'm not saying he does not need buffs, or doesn't deserve to be a good pick. But considering how long he has been plaguing the game as a zero counterplay monster past level 6, I believe it won't be bad to keep him like this until Riot can actually come up with a good solution.
Cynicatt (NA)
: Yea asian prince of persia is pretty cool, but I think I'm probably gonna main robo-monk or skull-goth-two-guns guy.
> Yea asian prince of persia is pretty cool, but I think I'm probably gonna main robo-monk or skull-goth-two-guns guy. Tracer is clearly the prince(ss) of Persia, she's got Recall.
: does anybody really depend on hp 5 for staying in lane... unless your like mundo or garen
> does anybody really depend on hp 5 for staying in lane... unless your like mundo or garen Hp5 is a sort of "hidden power" thing on most champions. You don't usually notice it (not counting Mundo/Garen) due to how slowly it works, but it's actually there. It's what usually allows you to stay under tower and farm if you need to, cause you're slowly regenerating the HP instead of staying at nothing... which is what happens to Riven if she doesn't use her E to soak the proper damage. And yes, lifesteal is core on Riven, but we're talking about level 1-4, which is where she *needs* to play perfectly after the nerfs, since her spells' level 1 base damage is laughable, and she has to use up her E to shrug off the important harass. Potions are an option, yes, but they are such for the enemy too, who doesn't need to also consider not having passive regen. Or just do like me and start double regen beads, helps too o3o
Zantheus (NA)
: "but muh HP5"
> "but muh HP5" You're welcome to try and trade with that Hp5 without all-inning :P Though I agree with OP, that Riven was a moron :v
: @Riot, Help me With My University Project!
Bump. Come on, Riot, I don't want to write about another company!
: Does it matter what department they are in? If not I can get some people to check this out.
> Does it matter what department they are in? If not I can get some people to check this out. Nope, doesn't matter at all, as long as they work at Riot and are part of the Riot Culture :)
: @Riot, Help me With My University Project!
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: > > > > maybe cause mega gnar has 4 abilties with some form of cc on each of the 4 abilities. > > > > > > dont forget the retarded damage part even without building any damage items. > > > > I don't mind Riven getting a taste of her own cheesy medicine. > > except riven has to build for her damage and gnar doesn't > > riven sucks big times idk why trash are always crying about her she's useless as fuck in teamfights even when she's fed cuz she'll blow in a sec. Riven really isn't a character that you should be pulling the "I get stuff for building an irrelevant stat to the matter" card with, considering she gets survivability from attack damage. And I'm fairly sure most Gnars do rush a damage item in lane. Also not sure what the hostility is about, it's pretty common knowledge that one of Riven's greatest assets is her ability to cheese early on by brute forcing an early kill with her high mobility and damage at levels 1-2 and snowball hard if she's successful. I really don't feel bad if she gets cheesed back, she makes laning unbearable for a lot of characters, why shouldn't she have to struggle with some matchups?
> > > > > maybe cause mega gnar has 4 abilties with some form of cc on each of the 4 abilities. > > > > > > > > dont forget the retarded damage part even without building any damage items. > > > > > > I don't mind Riven getting a taste of her own cheesy medicine. > > > > except riven has to build for her damage and gnar doesn't > > > > riven sucks big times idk why trash are always crying about her she's useless as fuck in teamfights even when she's fed cuz she'll blow in a sec. > > Riven really isn't a character that you should be pulling the "I get stuff for building an irrelevant stat to the matter" card with, considering she gets survivability from attack damage. And I'm fairly sure most Gnars do rush a damage item in lane. > >** Also not sure what the hostility is about, it's pretty common knowledge that one of Riven's greatest assets is her ability to cheese early on by brute forcing an early kill with her high mobility and damage at levels 1-2 and snowball hard if she's successful.** I really don't feel bad if she gets cheesed back, she makes laning unbearable for a lot of characters, why shouldn't she have to struggle with some matchups? Except this hasn't been the case for about a dozen patches now. Riven's early has been nerfed to the point she can't outtrade most champs before level 4, unless the enemy plays stupidly bad.
Reinfox (NA)
: EU and Oce and NA is finally once united
Yay! Except it keeps putting me back on my NA account for some reason = w=
: new GD
thank mr karthus
Xelnath (NA)
: What's on your mind tonight?
I think the majority is clear on this.
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