: it's safe to say that if you're getting hextech rewards, your accounts basically "reset" in terms of punishment. they hold the hextech system to a higher standard than their punishment system.
You don't happen to have a source? Last I checked the consensus was that hextech rewards and punishment tiers dropping were not related, and that the latter typically takes quite a bit longer.
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Daklore (NA)
: Actually, constant afking can get you permabanned too. It's the same thing as being toxic and negative. As a wise rabbit once told a baby deer, "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all." AFKing is as good as saying something, because you're saying, "screw this game, you're on your own, I'm out." Which is why it can and will eventually result in punishment the same as being toxic, negative, and/or just being a bad sport. Think of it this way: If you're constantly arguing with officials, being a rude and disruptive influence, or fighting constantly, you're going to get kicked out of just about any sporting venue. You do that post-game constantly enough, and the team is likely to let you go no matter how good you are. The same applies to league.
I've probably afk'd in 50+ games in the past few months and have had the 20 minute leaver buster queue on pretty much permanently and still fine. Never has anyone been perm'd for only afking either. Don't spread lies, thanks. :)
: Copy and paste the chat logs you got from the email
Didn't get an email, just had 3 game logs pop up in client.
: That game I am pretty sure Shyvana reported you for harassing her about ganks constantly and blaming her for your death because she was clearing jungle. However that is not enough to get a punishment. It takes either extreme toxic behavior or a consistent behavior. Without showing us the other two games you are concealing the truth of your punishment.
I was not harassing anyone, my team was flaming me for not doing well mid and I said "I asked for gank, can't do much else." I was just defending myself by trying to explain that I had done everything I could 1v1. Unless you mean the "Can I get some help mid?" which was me just asking nicely after my first death.
: It might be an error for that game appearing, but the rest of the games may be enough anyway without that game you showed anyway.
Pretty sure it wasn't an error since, as I said, the other games weren't really worse. Even if it was an error it shows how easily this system can give out wrong judgments.
Prandine (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Tr1ckster3,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EcKBhvuG,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2017-01-13T15:45:59.226+0000) > > Yes, but I'm not debating the 4 strike system, I'm debating the 4 strike system's harshness. If you are genuinely toxic and flame people sure you deserve to get punished, as you were in the past, but now you also get punished for "negative attitude" which includes, for example, saying "Why would you do baron with 0 surrounding vision? Terrible call." or telling your jungler "Why 1v1 him when I ping you back? I told you that you can't beat him." Enough of those and you also get punished. From my experience those things by themselves will not get people punished. It's the constant arguing, whining and complaining instead of focusing on the game and/or more constructive chat that gets people punished for chat related offenses. Again I feel that it's not harsh. It starts off light by saying "hey, you messed up, but thats okay. Here's a warning to remind you not to do that anymore". Come permaban they're saying "alright, you had your chances and you blew em. You're no longer allowed to use this".
Exactly, and why should arguing and whining be punished? I used to do it, but ever since my 2 week ban I don't talk at all and just go afk when my team annoys me since that isn't punishable other than the 20 minute afk-timer between games. Punishments should be reserved for actual inflammatory behavior and people that are actually toxic and insult others. League is honestly the only game that does this. About your second point, once again, that's fine but what I'm trying to get at is that you shouldn't be punished for having a "negative attitude". It's not misbehaving, it's just not being falsely positive and it's not exactly hurting anyone other than yourself.
Prandine (NA)
: I believe that part of the reason we have a 4 strike system now is to 1: encourage people to reform faster and 2) remove the ones that don't or won't. It's like real life in that sense where first you get a warning or two (10 & 25game cr) before finally having the privilege to it taken away (2week & permaban). On the same token though by showing good behavior, responsibility and maturity you can get access to it back and receive a less severe punishment if you mess up again after showing good behavior for a long period of time (going down the punishment list) and being rewarded for your efforts (mystery skins & icons, access to crafting & ranked rewards). When we look at it that way then no I don't believe that the current punishment system is unjust. It's not perfect no of course, but it gets the job done better than its predecessors could (ie placing the responsibility (arguably more than ever before) to change on the player themselves).
Yes, but I'm not debating the 4 strike system, I'm debating the 4 strike system's harshness. If you are genuinely toxic and flame people sure you deserve to get punished, as you were in the past, but now you also get punished for "negative attitude" which includes, for example, saying "Why would you do baron with 0 surrounding vision? Terrible call." or telling your jungler "Why 1v1 him when I ping you back? I told you that you can't beat him." Enough of those and you also get punished. League is honestly the only game I play where you can get perma'd for complaining or being "whiny". In other games you'd literally have to threaten them or call them very offensive terms to get punished.
: Show me the games then we can talk about fairness.
It's the only screenshot I took since it was the most absurd. Even without the others it was still included in the 3 games that were provided, which means it was deemed as "inflammatory", which is what I'm trying to focus on.
nep2une (NA)
: Stop complaining.
If something seems unfair you bring attention to it. :)
: It's one of the games, it is not bad (although you can hide a part) but there are other games that banned you.
You say it's not bad but the system considered it bad enough to be a part of the punishment, and the other games weren't by any means worse. It's the fact that that is now considered equally as punishable as wishing people cancer and telling people to drink bleach that confuses me, hence me questioning the banning algorithm. :)
: You're either a kid or a troll, either way your post is just wrong. If my friend that plays at least 5 games a day and spams "report x" is not banned then it means you did say some really bad things to get banned
I'm neither, but thanks for the insult. Here's a screenshot of one of the games I got punished for a few months ago: http://imgur.com/a/zd9u6 Go ahead and tell me what's "really bad" about it? The punishment system just seems to pick up on words like "banned", "flame" "no gank" etc and punish you for it. And if you play 10+ games a day it's eventually going to find some unless you don't talk at all.
: Hahahaha, no. If your post would be true I would be perma banned.
You have about 30 total games played in the past 2 weeks and 12 ranked games total, I have 230 ranked game since the start of the new year and 550 since the start of the new season. I'm not sure how "toxic" you're being, but your margins are very small. If you played 100+ ranked games a week and even slip once every 10 games, and by slipping I don't mean flaming, I mean saying something that's not 100% positive, you'll get punished soon enough.
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: Riot doesn't want you to go back to your previous behavior just because 3 months have passed. You *can* drop down the tiers if you show reformed behavior long enough, but if you don't go back to your old behavior you won't have to worry about punishment regardless of whether you've dropped back down the tiers or not. You don't have to not talk at all, you just have to refrain from being a negative influence. If muting everyone is what it takes, then keep doing it even after you're safe again.
I asked whether punishment tier drops after 3 months were still confirmed and if not then what the current duration for a punishment tier to drop is. What I did not ask for were condescending assumptions about my in game behavior. Please stick to the question at hand, as the only relevant part of your post was "You can drop down the tiers if you show reformed behavior long enough" which is extremely vague and still doesn't answer my question. I know that they can drop, I'm asking how long it takes. :) Edit: For even further clarification, I'm not defending negative attitudes. I just don't want a single slip up 2 years down the line to lead to a permanent ban rather than a 10 game chat restriction.
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