Alex Luu (NA)
: I need advice
/fullmute all first second of every game. Don't talk in lobby, skip waiting for stats. Trust me, this will change you.
: TBH I'm tired of being negative.
The problem might not even be you, frankly. This game puts you in situations where you always, always have one person straight up not caring about the game. That's disrespect of your time. You might not realize it, but it's worse than getting punched in the face -- the person is taking away time you will NEVER get back for no real reason other than their own lack of respect for others. But Riot tells you not to react. It's ok for someone to first-time pick in ranked. It's ok for someone to pick a 43% WR champion and doom your game before it started.
heyons (NA)
: A player trolled to make us "suffer". Then they threatened to shoot up a school
Welcome to the League ranked experience. This is pretty tame if I think about what's typed **every single game.**
zPOOPz (NA)
: Your team also have the option to surrender
> [{quoted}](name=zPOOPz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Pj4reQuV,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-10T20:01:01.674+0000) > > Your team also have the option to surrender There is no surrendering almost ever. 22-4? Nope, we can still win. No one ever surrenders. EVER.
: New AFK/Leaver Trend: Leaving the match so enemy team can end = No leaver tag.
Just give us a break already, Jesus. There's so many casual people here that want to waste so much time on games that are just done. Riot understands that if you keep frustrating your playerbase, they leave. This game, every game, you're frustrated out of your mind. If you take the player's chances to just leave a s***show of a game, then you create an even more toxic gameplay. The 4 other people don't get affected, they'll be as tilted as they were losing as 5 but my guess is, they'd feel a bit better because they will blame the person leaving on their loss. Hard to quantify. Just stop playing 4fun, your time is limited in a day.
Nithez (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=KAEefAdE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-31T02:05:24.093+0000) > > Because you repeated stupid shit (zero tolerance) and had a previous 14 day ban. You can try to submit a support ticket since that seems to be the worse of it. Assuming no other logs. Did submit a ticket, dude said I was using the slurs and because of the false report. There are no other logs. I originally thought there was a mistake because it was just that log, with everything I copy and pasted being the entirety. I understand the 0 tolerance... but we are humans, we should use context to look at situations. Not using it towards anyone remotely, just wanted the dude calling me it to stop, and then asking the enemy to report him by letting them know what he was calling me. I'm so mindblown that this is the final nail in the coffin, not me actually being toxic and deserving it.
> [{quoted}](name=Nithez,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=KAEefAdE,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-07-31T02:08:43.157+0000) > > Did submit a ticket, dude said I was using the slurs and because of the false report. There are no other logs. I originally thought there was a mistake because it was just that log, with everything I copy and pasted being the entirety. I understand the 0 tolerance... but we are humans, we should use context to look at situations. Not using it towards anyone remotely, just wanted the dude calling me it to stop, and then asking the enemy to report him by letting them know what he was calling me. I'm so mindblown that this is the final nail in the coffin, not me actually being toxic and deserving it. Nope, no context. You get trolls in your team that tell you the worst? Don't say anything. You get trolls who go 0-10 in the first 5 minutes? Don't say anything. Someone tells you the worst things? Again, don't say anything. Naturally, you should just report and let them handle it because otherwise it becomes chaos and I do agree with Riot, but, frankly, this has become a joke now. There's a difference between people that defend themselves, which you need to do every game if you don't take crap from others or being negative and people using slurs and saying extreme stuff. One shows frustration while not going over the edge, the other shows ill-intent. Mute the first, ban the second. I still can't believe that you can get perma-banned in a game for not being positive.
Aseeraa (NA)
: @Riot, thank you for /mute allies
Please pings now. Thank you.
fear dmt (NA)
: I think after this I am going to quit
That is true. Riot has become a full-on politically correct even if this game, every game, no exception is hell -- they should be understandable of these who just fight back against trolling or whatever. You get banned, BANNED for not being positive, you can't make this s*** up.
: As a player with Autism, I'd LOVE to have one F-ing day where I wasn't called a R%%%%%.
I understand your issue but also, the people that are using the word don't mean it in the literal sense. That word is widely used just to signify stupidity in one's actions. They're not targeting your disease to make it worse for you.
Teh Song (NA)
: Search "dodge" on these boards and read all about why that won't happen.
> [{quoted}](name=Teh Song,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=e8uQW1kE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-29T20:10:32.557+0000) > > Search "dodge" on these boards and read all about why that won't happen. tldr?
Rioter Comments
Rioter Comments
: Chat Restriction??? Just look
OP, don't let any reply saying that you said anything bad get to you. You didn't. The state of the reporting system right now is that you get banned, permanently-banned for complaining or virtually ANYTHING that is literally not positive. In a game where you're pretty much put up with terrorists who hold your game in their palms with their troll picks, flame and giving up. Riot will, without hesitation, ban you for saying "yo guys can you maybe not int please?" to a troll in your game if you do it enough times.
: > [{quoted}](name=Turtles Are Okay,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=u9wuBinm,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-30T16:01:28.037+0000) > > Because one day, I will acquire enough monetary power / influence to change this. This is not something that helps anyone, but is the making of some people who are mad that they didn't find utopia in a game and also happened to be game developers. Don't get me wrong, I love games and the teams behind them and fully support them -- but this crap, hell no. Until the day that I manage to acquire that power, since I've been slowing moving towards it, I can't forget what I'm fighting for, so, even if it puts me behind bars, I won't keep quiet when I get hit in the face. Never. > XD This has to be the best statement I have ever read on here you think you will ever make it to where you wouold be able to bye League XD. You would be better off starting your own game. Either way good luck man because yea your going to need it.
> [{quoted}](name=ChaosLordMadis,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=u9wuBinm,comment-id=00000000000000000002,timestamp=2019-07-03T14:12:10.865+0000) > > XD This has to be the best statement I have ever read on here you think you will ever make it to where you wouold be able to bye League XD. You would be better off starting your own game. Either way good luck man because yea your going to need it. I've made impact on a lot of things of this world and my company has offered insights that helped very high-level decision making. I believe that, should I ever acquire the power needed to change things, I will try to impact this issue too. The world has become so sensitive and it's not ok because it's a sure way to end up destroying a lot of valuable things. The current state of things with being so sensitive that air itself hurts you isn't right. Someone at the very top decided that it should be this way and then everyone else blindly followed because a very, very small but extremely vocal minority of people started barking and everyone started thinking this is an issue. Everyday normal people go about their lives without caring about the thoughts of a 40-something childless hipster vaper from San Francisco.
: Okay make sure to post the logs so we can see that youre not leaving things said out of the story like most people who post about their punishments.
> [{quoted}](name=Telephone Booth,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=u9wuBinm,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-07-03T03:33:33.216+0000) > > Okay make sure to post the logs so we can see that youre not leaving things said out of the story like most people who post about their punishments. Will do. All my tickets were unfortunately deleted to showcase my last ban. In a game, someone called me "super toxic". I've said "man idk, this elo mental is weird. If games can be turned in d3, surely you can turn them in gold elo." and "idk man, you've got a d3 sona 65% wr, you kinda just have to wait late game". That's toxic. Yup.
: > [{quoted}](name=Turtles Are Okay,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=u9wuBinm,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-30T16:01:28.037+0000) > > Because one day, I will acquire enough monetary power / influence to change this. This is not something that helps anyone, but is the making of some people who are mad that they didn't find utopia in a game and also happened to be game developers. Don't get me wrong, I love games and the teams behind them and fully support them -- but this crap, hell no. Until the day that I manage to acquire that power, since I've been slowing moving towards it, I can't forget what I'm fighting for, so, even if it puts me behind bars, I won't keep quiet when I get hit in the face. Never. > > It's about character and not being the mop of others to do as they please with you. > > Unfortunately, until the day I get to the point of changing this, I'll keep encountering this issue in every system I interact with. So far, I've managed to wipe out a niche industry of sensitive pricks who had nothing else to do than transform their existence into being offended by everything. I believe that I could do it at a higher level too. > > There. Because I believe in what's right and standing up for yourself as should everyone. > > (Naturally, I have said mean words to some people, the human nature doesn't allow you to be calm 24/7, so not all my sins are justified, but most are) You do realize the hypocrisy of labeling people "sensitive pricks" when you've chosen to insult someone over their gameplay in a video game, then come to a video game forum to preemptively complain about a punishment that you haven't even received yet?
> [{quoted}](name=AeroWaffle,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=u9wuBinm,comment-id=00000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-06-30T17:25:54.093+0000) > > You do realize the hypocrisy of labeling people "sensitive pricks" when you've chosen to insult someone over their gameplay in a video game, then come to a video game forum to preemptively complain about a punishment that you haven't even received yet? That is only correct if you have a flawed understanding of nuanced behavior, which, well, you do. There is no hypocrisy here. Just because you complain about a thing and the thing you're saying seems to be roughly the same thing, doesn't mean it is the same thing.
: Maybe in moderation. I had a Nasus recently whose chat was almost entirely complaining and giving up. There’s a point where it crosses from commiseration to disrupting your own gameplay and disrupting the teamwork of the rest of your team.
> [{quoted}](name=Periscope,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=u9wuBinm,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-30T16:37:15.530+0000) > > Maybe in moderation. > > I had a Nasus recently whose chat was almost entirely complaining and giving up. There’s a point where it crosses from commiseration to disrupting your own gameplay and disrupting the teamwork of the rest of your team. Mute. This is not behavior that should warrant a ban. Instead, if someone is disruptive, even if it's crazy to say that, mute them. There's a difference between someone that others don't like because they play this game for their emotional refuge and anything disrupting that needs to die and someone being straight up a c*** and destroying games. It's just insane how Riot puts people who complain in the same bucket as people who say the worst things.
: Thanks for reply, there were other harassments but just wanted to know if this one could be considered racial or not.
> [{quoted}](name=Crystalysk,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=HpGAJRZ9,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-06-30T13:55:37.809+0000) > > Thanks for reply, there were other harassments but just wanted to know if this one could be considered racial or not. If you're insane, yes, this could be categorized as "racially-charged". If not, then it's just some random-ass dude that just said a very frequent phrase that is barely used in a racist context.
: > [{quoted}](name=Turtles Are Okay,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=u9wuBinm,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-06-30T15:35:53.241+0000) > > I will post the screenshot these days. Got silenced before for this exact same thing. Knowing that such behavior can get you into hot water with the system, regardless of how fair you might believe it is, why would you repeat it?
> [{quoted}](name=AeroWaffle,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=u9wuBinm,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-30T15:48:05.664+0000) > > Knowing that such behavior can get you into hot water with the system, regardless of how fair you might believe it is, why would you repeat it? Because one day, I will acquire enough monetary power / influence to change this. This is not something that helps anyone, but is the making of some people who are mad that they didn't find utopia in a game and also happened to be game developers. Don't get me wrong, I love games and the teams behind them and fully support them -- but this crap, hell no. Until the day that I manage to acquire that power, since I've been slowing moving towards it, I can't forget what I'm fighting for, so, even if it puts me behind bars, I won't keep quiet when I get hit in the face. Never. It's about character and not being the mop of others to do as they please with you. Unfortunately, until the day I get to the point of changing this, I'll keep encountering this issue in every system I interact with. So far, I've managed to wipe out a niche industry of sensitive pricks who had nothing else to do than transform their existence into being offended by everything. I believe that I could do it at a higher level too. There. Because I believe in what's right and standing up for yourself as should everyone. (Naturally, I have said mean words to some people, the human nature doesn't allow you to be calm 24/7, so not all my sins are justified, but most are)
: If you're a big fan of competition, then why would you support complaining? What possible competitive edge is gained by someone complaining about anything?
> [{quoted}](name=Periscope,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=u9wuBinm,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-06-30T15:39:32.887+0000) > > If you're a big fan of competition, then why would you support complaining? What possible competitive edge is gained by someone complaining about anything? Complaining is ok. Every game that you see, everyone complains. It just seems Riot is **extremely** sensitive to it. Having someone indirectly say "f*** all of you and your time" isn't competition.
: so you're complaining about something that hasn't happened?
> [{quoted}](name=CharDeeMcDenniz,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=u9wuBinm,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-30T15:27:17.188+0000) > > so you're complaining about something that hasn't happened? I will post the screenshot these days. Got silenced before for this exact same thing.
Rioter Comments
: New Champs in Ranked
It do be like that.
: Streamers are a big reason of why community is toxic
Agreed completely. Years ago when I was warning about this, everyone laughed, yet, it came to be. Humans copy each other as a way of life. What do you think people are going to do when they see their "community stars" use the term "int" for a teammate breathing? Of course they're going to say everything is "int". Int this, int that, troll this, troll that, open, ff 15, 15, spam ping someone. I do it myself too out of habit of seeing it and I try to control it. Imagine someone that isn't aware of how he's influenced.
: Indie Company Client XD
Eks deee dudeeeeeeee hollly ssssssssssshh dudeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, Indie Company duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude. Come on.
Rioter Comments
: My friends' and I accounts were hacked.
The capability to hack into Riot's servers to obtain your constantly changing information like this is very, very costly. Whoever posses such power can enter the networks of any gaming company and steal their data and property, as such, either you've met one of the world's skilled hackers that also happens to play League and have a great sense of humor or... Your computers are infected. One of you initially got infected, the hacker used the "borrowed" identity of your friends, you opened a link or a file and there it went. Re-install everything, contact Riot support, add 2FA.
: What triggered this 25 game chat restriction? (text below)
While this is negative, it is, by no means, toxic. I'm assuming you got it for this one game only and you didn't flame hardcore in the past games. If you want to change, change so you don't get your account banned, but this is extremely, extremely tame stuff. Riot is being unspeakably sensitive about typed negative behavior. Just don't type. Ever.
Trapics (NA)
: BAN THE HIGH ELO WIN TRADERS/DDoSers
The worst part of it, but I guess you'd only see it if you weren't as sensitive as most people seem to be is: ChaseShaco will probably get banned for what he said in that game when it's completely justifiable. You have some people straight up, straight up hitting you in the face. There's no greater disrespect than wasting someone else's time. It's the lowest of the low. Yet you are not allowed to say anything. At all. Zero. Nada. Riot will look at the game and say "alright, this guy flamed, let's get him, boys". To me, this is ludacris and I wish Riot will change because often times this game puts you in a position where you're driven to madness. There you have someone clearly messing with RIot's services (1) and destroying, utterly destroying people's time (2), yet you are not able, not allowed to say anything.
: Can i ask for a chat restriction for myself?
You can't. Unfortunately Riot doesn't care about you recognizing you have an issue and wanting to fix it but you can't. While I agree it's not their job to babysit you, I don't think having your account as permanently silenced is that much of an issue. There has to be ulterior motive to all of this.
: Chat ban for no reason
I agree with you absolutely but League is like this. They ban you for absolutely tame stuff. Just don't type.
: is it normal to get a flamer every single game
It is. On EUW, the whole 5 people flame when they lose. That means it's fair to assume that ~9-10 people in a game are toxic. I report everyone after each game. The report will do nothing to an innocent person, but will catch an extremely toxic one.
Rioter Comments
: Help me improve my behavior:
Don't change anything. Yes, it will net you a perma-ban eventually if you keep going like this but it's **INSANE**, beyond insane that you got silenced (and therefore banned) for this. It's crazy. While this is negative, this is how every human pretty much acts and while you could not type, it's impossible, this game drvies you insane. I can't believe it.
Rioter Comments
: I played League when I didn't have a very high paying job and when I didn't have a lot of flexible money, and I've never been a raging dick online. League is built in such a way that the outside world can't really matter because of the constant mental investment you have to input into League - in short, you've got to tone out and enter the zone to play in League, and that means you're more often than not going to put reality on the backburner while you manage your character in game. So the assessment that Maslow's Hierarchy is affecting your behavior in the game is not a very good assessment, as the immersion in the game would basically nullify your attunement to the Hierarchy of needs. Furthermore, to play a game like League, you HAVE to have some established needs fulfilled in the hierarchy, because you wouldn't have the time or opportunity to leisurely play League otherwise. So again, trying to apply Maslow's Hierarchy to League doesn't really work as the leisure activity in and of itself requires a lot of your hierarchal needs to already have been met to a degree. The truth of the matter is that some people are just not mentally resilient, and let their emotions get the best of them. This is because they're undisciplined or they're spoiled and grew up thinking that they could get whatever they want without consequence.
> [{quoted}](name=Oleandervine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=k7iEAmcb,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-06-19T19:26:23.242+0000) > > I played League when I didn't have a very high paying job and when I didn't have a lot of flexible money, and I've never been a raging dick online. League is built in such a way that the outside world can't really matter because of the constant mental investment you have to input into League - in short, you've got to tone out and enter the zone to play in League, and that means you're more often than not going to put reality on the backburner while you manage your character in game. So the assessment that Maslow's Hierarchy is affecting your behavior in the game is not a very good assessment, as the immersion in the game would basically nullify your attunement to the Hierarchy of needs. Furthermore, to play a game like League, you HAVE to have some established needs fulfilled in the hierarchy, because you wouldn't have the time or opportunity to leisurely play League otherwise. So again, trying to apply Maslow's Hierarchy to League doesn't really work as the leisure activity in and of itself requires a lot of your hierarchal needs to already have been met to a degree. > > The truth of the matter is that some people are just not mentally resilient, and let their emotions get the best of them. This is because they're undisciplined or they're spoiled and grew up thinking that they could get whatever they want without consequence. The reality is that this is a very complex matter and obviously, there will be a lot of people with lots of different mindsets. Some people don't easily get stressed and you might be one of them. I wouldn't say that some people are not mentally resilient, really, I'd just say that for the vast majority, they are easily "corruptible" while a few of the population manages to not give in. Why did I flip it? I think that putting it how you did, roughly the opposite just tends to put humans in a very bad light and although I agree with it personally, I'd rather call it a "very weak defense". Of course using the hierarchy as an absolute is wrong but you can only speak for so long. But in this case I wasn't. In short, because you'd need years to discuss this: of course your basic needs are mostly met if you're playing this game, you can directly deduce that, but as I've said, as some needs get satisfied and they stay so for longer periods, you forget about them and you always focus on the next one. I believe in our current day & age it's self-actualization & esteem that are the problem. Talking about the somewhat modern western world.
: > This is simply the truth, when you try to suppress that feeling you get when you wanna type to your teammates isn't going to do you any good personally and it won't change anything long-term. Not for you. For Riot, sure. They have less toxic games. It is a win for the community, but not for you. If you end up acting this extreme, there must be an issue you're facing in your real life that's pushing you. You must treat the disease, not the symptoms. If you're trying to suppress it, yeah, it's not going to do you any good. But when we encourage reform, we don't _want_ people suppressing their anger, we want them releasing it in ways that aren't harmful to the match or other players. Bottling it up and trying to suppress it leads to problems; but finding less destructive ways of releasing it is more-or-less our goal when we try to help other players reform. Beyond that; comparing life issues and anger to diseases isn't really helpful, either. It's less of problem/symptom and more of cause/effect. Life problems can certainly be a pretty big cause of anger and stress, but they're not the only causes. League, for all the various reasons there are, is full of several different stressors that could cause anger, and since you can't treat or remedy all the potential causes, you have to learn how to handle the effects.
> [{quoted}](name=Umbral Regent,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=k7iEAmcb,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2019-06-19T18:40:19.798+0000) > > If you're trying to suppress it, yeah, it's not going to do you any good. But when we encourage reform, we don't _want_ people suppressing their anger, we want them releasing it in ways that aren't harmful to the match or other players. Bottling it up and trying to suppress it leads to problems; but finding less destructive ways of releasing it is more-or-less our goal when we try to help other players reform. > > Beyond that; comparing life issues and anger to diseases isn't really helpful, either. It's less of problem/symptom and more of cause/effect. Life problems can certainly be a pretty big cause of anger and stress, but they're not the only causes. League, for all the various reasons there are, is full of several different stressors that could cause anger, and since you can't treat or remedy all the potential causes, you have to learn how to handle the effects. Correct, a "cause/effect" terminology is better suited.
: I cannot believe how fucked up players can be
This is League. Get used to it because there's nothing you can do. Unfortunately, the mass player base refuses to dodge. I understand people play this game of escapism and they'd rather waste 25 mins in a game than have to go back to real life, but it's disgusting how people virtually never dodge. Learn to dodge. It's a skill.
: i understand that but when 3 of the 4 players on your team flame you all game of corse your gonna get a bit tilted especially when im trying to win
> [{quoted}](name=outcastdiagram,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=juWKZFwd,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-06-19T15:19:14.881+0000) > > i understand that but when 3 of the 4 players on your team flame you all game of corse your gonna get a bit tilted especially when im trying to win This is true. Unfortunately, but you gotta understand Riot, they ban you even if this game is meant to tilt you and if you're the kind of person to not take s*** from anyone, you'll talk back. Even if you don't swear you being negative consistently will yield you a ban. It's an unfortunate situation but Riot can't know the context of every punishment and the resources it would take to thoroughly investigate are too much. Plus, everyone's got context. Everyone can just say "but he started it" and that's a very fair & good argument because, if I hit you in the face, surely you hit me back, it's too complicated. So, you get reported many times -> you get banned. Simple and mostly effective.
: For the largest part, I disagree with what you're saying, although there are aspects that I _do_ agree with. I can see how the Hierarchy of Needs can play into exacerbating stressors in League and causing people to lash out, and - while I disagree that it's the only way to alleviate the issue - I do agree that it's worthwhile to try and fix those external factors that would cause one undue stress. What I strongly disagree with, though, is this; > In short, to anyone that's seriously consider to "reform", as in, to better yourself or change yourself: **don't.** It'll be anticlimatic and you're bound to enter an infinite loop. Reform and personal change are absolutely things people should be striving for, especially if where they are presently is unenjoyable to them or harmful to their ability to exist in social situations. Sure, sometimes the ultimate results will be difficult to notice, but that far from guarantees that it'll be anticlimactic or result in an infinite loop of trying and failing. The main issue with reform/personal change is that success hinges entirely on the individual's desire _to_ change. My grandma always told me this, and it rings true to this day; "nobody can change you but _you_." And if someone doesn't commit themselves to whatever change they're shooting for, then they're not going to change. _That's_ anticlimactic, and it's a result of poor dedication. At the end of the day, sure, it's better to prioritize maintaining mental and physical health and personal well-being over personal change, but that doesn't mean the latter should be excluded. > Second: only spend as much money as you're willing to lose when you eventually get banned again. This, to me, is a terrible mindset to have. You're setting this ultimatum for yourself and others that there can be no success, that no matter what, you'll inevitably snap and lose your account again, and so you should prepare for that eventuality by not spending so much that you'd pain yourself for the loss. It's unrealistic, overly cynical, and it helps nothing, especially when reform _is_ well within the realm of possibility. People _have_ changed from being toxic and have since kept stable accounts without getting banned again. All it takes is dedication.
> [{quoted}](name=Umbral Regent,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=k7iEAmcb,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-19T06:56:22.392+0000) > > For the largest part, I disagree with what you're saying, although there are aspects that I _do_ agree with. > > I can see how the Hierarchy of Needs can play into exacerbating stressors in League and causing people to lash out, and - while I disagree that it's the only way to alleviate the issue - I do agree that it's worthwhile to try and fix those external factors that would cause one undue stress. > > What I strongly disagree with, though, is this; > > Reform and personal change are absolutely things people should be striving for, especially if where they are presently is unenjoyable to them or harmful to their ability to exist in social situations. Sure, sometimes the ultimate results will be difficult to notice, but that far from guarantees that it'll be anticlimactic or result in an infinite loop of trying and failing. > > The main issue with reform/personal change is that success hinges entirely on the individual's desire _to_ change. My grandma always told me this, and it rings true to this day; "nobody can change you but _you_." And if someone doesn't commit themselves to whatever change they're shooting for, then they're not going to change. _That's_ anticlimactic, and it's a result of poor dedication. > > At the end of the day, sure, it's better to prioritize maintaining mental and physical health and personal well-being over personal change, but that doesn't mean the latter should be excluded. > > This, to me, is a terrible mindset to have. You're setting this ultimatum for yourself and others that there can be no success, that no matter what, you'll inevitably snap and lose your account again, and so you should prepare for that eventuality by not spending so much that you'd pain yourself for the loss. > > It's unrealistic, overly cynical, and it helps nothing, especially when reform _is_ well within the realm of possibility. People _have_ changed from being toxic and have since kept stable accounts without getting banned again. All it takes is dedication. While these sound very nice and heart-warming, they're very far from the truth. The reality is different and it's cold: **recidivism** is a very big issue, partly because the system itself does nothing to reform, much like League's (not that it's its job). For my first point: > In short, to anyone that's seriously consider to "reform", as in, to better yourself or change yourself: don't. It'll be anticlimatic and you're bound to enter an infinite loop. This is simply the truth, when you try to suppress that feeling you get when you wanna type to your teammates isn't going to do you any good personally and it won't change anything long-term. Not for you. For Riot, sure. They have less toxic games. It is a win for the community, but not for you. If you end up acting this extreme, there must be an issue you're facing in your real life that's pushing you. You must treat the disease, not the symptoms. > Second: only spend as much money as you're willing to lose when you eventually get banned again. We see recidivism to be upwards of 80% in almost every system. In the US, the recidivism for 5 years is nearly 80% too, that is...**the guys who get caught. ** While it's not just to compare it fully, people are who they are. Anyone that knows what they're talking about understands that after all the nice, inclusive things are said, the reality is that people are their habits. I do understand that, we, as a community should support these people but the reality is that they have issues in their life that they need to solve. Them trying to suppress these behaviors are only going to make it worse for themselves. So, should they go and be toxic in games? Well, of course not, but it's what will happen. To anyone with these issues: see what's wrong in your life and try to fix it. Sometimes it's not fixable, you can't just turn your life around and then you'll end up being banned again but the reality is that not everyone gets a happy ending...but you should strive for one :)
: I Think I Finally Understand What it takes to Climb
That and literally play 700-800 games a season without being bad. You just have to be willing to learn from your mistakes, understand the game overall and you hit diamond. If you don't, even after tryharding so much, then it's just not meant to be.
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: How exactly does the correction system in LoL work?
I will tell you out of experience by building (I'd like to believe, but this is just street talk) more complex systems to detect roughly the same behaviors as Riot is trying to, or better yet **tagging systems**, we basically look for behaviors to tag people of risk. Once that happens **you are as good as gone.** The system will always, always prioritize watching you and being harsher with you than with others because, frankly, for 90%+ of the cases, it's right. Offenders almost exclusively repeat their behaviors just as non-offenders repeat their behaviors, just like...humans repeat their behaviors! For example, our algorithms are used for fraud prevention in high-frequency transactions and once a vendor has been flagged, although the system allocates plenty resources for each vendor, it will allocate more resources to perform more in-depth checks on a vendor we deemed shady. What are the things that make someone [insert thing that you want to look for here]? Plenty. I think League is a pretty one-dimensional thing with the chat, though, but, regardless, the current state of society has decided that swearing and what-not is punishable. Is it absolutely correct? No. Or yes. A society builds its rules based on what it needs at that current time but there is always one constant: people never change their habits because, really, they define their persona. People who implement systems for prediction / tagging / flagging know this very well and it's more or less a basic thing. I've never seen flagging systems that don't open the eyes even more on these who they deem shady. In short: you're on thin ice, for sure, don't risk it. Riot would probably claim that this is not the case and I can't say it is or it isn't nor am I trying to discredit them at all but there's no way they don't do it like this.
: How Many People Think Nubrac Should've Been Banned VS How Many Think He Shouldn't have been
The nuances to the situation are many and if you don't think they both should've been banned, NB3 more severely (to the point of the perma-ban and all affiliations nullified) and then the 3rd party who was the bridge for this happening, then you clearly should stay out of the situation. Riot did the best they could in this situation. NB3 has a lot of pull and drives a lot of people to the game as a big content creator. Riot had to choose between a guy raking in money or some random guy who was trolling but thought he was smart about it by trying to hide behind this "I'm off-meta" thing.
: > [{quoted}](name=Turtles Are Okay,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2pPc3n7s,comment-id=00000003,timestamp=2019-06-18T23:57:01.379+0000) > > Come on, dude. Come ON. > > COME ON. Just, COME ON. Stop this. Please. COME ON. Come the **** on. There is no way, no way, unless you've been raised to be sensitive to sunlight itself you find this toxic. Negative, sure, but toxic, ban-worthy? Come on. > > Don't get me wrong, I know you have to respect Riot's policy and you're an employee and can't say publicly otherwise, but there's no way, I refuse to believe that there are humans who think this is ban-worthy. > > I just refuse. I am about to be banned myself for literally saying "man that feelsbad losing because of picks and autofills" and complaining in game, if this doesn't seem crazy to you, I have a surprise: the world out there, I mean the real world, the world where the CEO laughs at your parade about "inclusiveness" and what-not is rough. You can't be this sensitive or you'll be eaten alive. _Negativity is against the rules_. You literally admitted this was negative. After a 14-day, any negativity will get you the hammer, it says so when you get your 14-day. OP was being extremely passive-aggressive and irritating, and they should have been more careful after getting multiple warnings, but they weren't.
> [{quoted}](name=Jhins Girlfriend,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2pPc3n7s,comment-id=000000030002,timestamp=2019-06-19T03:32:43.287+0000) > > _Negativity is against the rules_. You literally admitted this was negative. > After a 14-day, any negativity will get you the hammer, it says so when you get your 14-day. OP was being extremely passive-aggressive and irritating, and they should have been more careful after getting multiple warnings, but they weren't. No. God help and I pray, anyone that finds this thing "bannable", whether it's the rules or not. Once you hit footing in the real world, you'll be eaten alive if you're this sensitive. I said I agreed as **per the rules.** The rules, whether wrong or not are rules and I judged based off that. That doesn't mean that my personal opinion is that this is insanity. To get your account taken away for being negative in a game that drives you mad? It's insanity.
: I feel like pings are the new way to circumvent the toxicity system. Nothing tilts teammates quite like spam pings after they've made a mistake. Additionally, people give up so easily...since it's been promoted as okay for so long nobody thinks there's anything wrong with going afk whenever they deem games "unwinnable".
> [{quoted}](name=C9 Aphrolift,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=u284297I,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-06-18T16:22:30.335+0000) > > I feel like pings are the new way to circumvent the toxicity system. Nothing tilts teammates quite like spam pings after they've made a mistake. > > Additionally, people give up so easily...since it's been promoted as okay for so long nobody thinks there's anything wrong with going afk whenever they deem games "unwinnable". And it's working. They allow for a lesser way of being extremely toxic or conveying the same hatred. Is this a good thing? Absolutely not. The problem is still there but it at least gives people some way to cool down. I think RIot won't remove it.
: I just had a game that started promisingly, then 5 pings later, the whole team goes AFK.
: Heralds are not employees.
> [{quoted}](name=AeroWaffle,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2pPc3n7s,comment-id=000000030000,timestamp=2019-06-18T23:59:39.426+0000) > > Heralds are not employees. They have to go with the official narrative or they lose their status. It's my understanding that a Herald is some sort of moderator who's engaged with the community. Naturally, that gives you a sense of importance and every human knows that if you disagree with the hand that feeds you, you're out, as such, realistically speaking, they are just more or less messengers.
: > [{quoted}](name=Turtles Are Okay,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2pPc3n7s,comment-id=00000003,timestamp=2019-06-18T23:57:01.379+0000)Don't get me wrong, I know you have to respect Riot's policy and you're an employee and can't say publicly otherwise... None of this is factual. I am not an employee. I don't have to respect their policies, save those I agree to enforce on the boards, and even then I can share my personal opinions about them freely. >I refuse to believe that there are humans who think this is ban-worthy. In and of itself? No. If this was a ban out of nowhere, it's entirely out of line. If the OP had gotten multiple warnings up to a 14-day ban, however, then I think it is reasonable -- you need a pattern of problematic behavior at a fairly consistent frequency to get that high, and at that point you really should learn to control yourself and not insult others.
> [{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2pPc3n7s,comment-id=000000030001,timestamp=2019-06-19T00:02:46.453+0000) > > None of this is factual. I am not an employee. I don't have to respect their policies, save those I agree to enforce on the boards, and even then I can share my personal opinions about them freely. > > In and of itself? No. If this was a ban out of nowhere, it's entirely out of line. If the OP had gotten multiple warnings up to a 14-day ban, however, then I think it is reasonable -- you need a pattern of problematic behavior at a fairly consistent frequency to get that high, and at that point you really should learn to control yourself and not insult others. I agree with you. For this itself, I, too, believe that he didn't get banned for this, it was just the games that triggered it. Where I disagree with you is if he did wha the did every game. It's just complaining. People need ot stop being so sensitive. You have the mute function.
: If you wouldn't mind, could you share the screenshot of the reform card. It used to not specify if something was /All or not. Am curious if it changed.
> [{quoted}](name=Imperial Pandaa,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=2pPc3n7s,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-18T23:08:31.375+0000) > > If you wouldn't mind, could you share the screenshot of the reform card. It used to not specify if something was /All or not. Am curious if it changed. Nope. Riot bans you for literally not being nice.
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