: Which is the most powerful race in League?
Humans, what other race has a empire that spans across the stars despite all the crazy shit that walks around in their world? Voidlings might be another option but what do you really know about their social structure or if they even have an empire? Some of your groups are actually just subgroups of humans, like your ascended and aspects and undead, and vastaya to a lesser degree.
ThePikol (EUNE)
: WTF Riot?! I lost all my rune pages for the second time!
Lol so this is still happening even in the new client. Oh Riot, so sad.
: ....it does more. AD role build AD items, AP role build AP items, Jungle role builds Jungle items, and yes, Support role builds Support items. I'm really, truly not seeing what the complaint is here. Everybody can buy control wards, everybody gets a trinket. Every role has their part to play, every role has things they're more responsible for than others.
Yes, everybody can buy wards, everybody has trinkets, every role has their part to play, every role has its particular strengths and due to that a particular responsibility to the team. Except for supports, they get the extra burden of being the ward bitch.
: I just lost a game of TT intermediate bots.
I know the feeling my perfectionist brother. My perfect record has also been stained by bots on 3 occasions. Makes me sad every time I see that 1000+ wins vs 3 losses on my record. It's just something we have to live with from now on. XD I do wish Riot would do something about those damn bots already. EDIT: Maybe it helps if you didn't think of it as your own personal shame, but as a mark and reminder of Riot's failure to keep their game clean.
: And {{item:1055}} is still a requirement for AD champs and {{item:1056}} for AP. It's one of the first items a support will build on back, and goes into the much more powerful {{item:2301}} which provides a great power spike for hardsups like {{champion:37}} or {{champion:267}} who have serious mana problems beforehand. I don't think there's anything wrong with having your first one or two items be similar.
That's a dishonest comparison. You can't compare starting items that are the same for everyone with a special item that is mandated to 1 role that needs to be build in addition to those items and is more the double their price.
: I do not see a problem with the sightstone. It feels good to spent 800G and have the freedom to build whatever your champion needs to help the team while also providing the vision your team needs. Also {{champion:201}} the sight is the key to victory. Also stone.
It is both a blessing and a curse. Supports have been the ward bitch since adc/support became meta I believe. A lot has changed for the better since those days but the stigma remains. Sightstone is a gold noose around the neck of the support role, people might even rage at you if you don't buy it. But it also gives the support a lot of power, because vision is amazingly powerful and comes very cheap. Still, the game as a whole would be better off if vision truly was the responsibility of everyone, it is of course, but at the same time sightstone is still a thing and nobody but the support is expected to buy it. It really hinders your options because its a big early gold sink. Plus the stigma remains on the support role, which is still the least favored role to such an extend that it requires special features in the client just to make up for its unpopularity just so we can have more normal que times. There is still room for improvement, eventually sightstone will have to go.
Rykagnar (NA)
: > [{quoted}](name=Mysticman89,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GpRnYLL4,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-11-30T03:21:20.018+0000) > > As long as you're 30+, you are literally guaranteed to get 810+ BE every level (you may get cheap champs, but you'll get multiple so the total is 800+), so if theres a bug affecting you so that's not the case then you should contact support. I have multiple accounts that are 30+. The last few levels on this account have only granted around 300 or less BE, as I am always given champions that are 450. Occassionally I will get a 1350, but I've only gotten two of them out of 9 capsules. and it goes the same for my other accounts as well. I sincerely doubt this is a bug that would affect multiple accounts that are all in my possession. It doesn't seem statistically reasonable nor logical.
I have a simple question if I may, since I have no experience with these capsules yet. When you get those champion shards out of these capsules, do you get multiple champion shards belonging to the same champion (so 3 nunu + 3 Annie + 3 Sivir for example) or is it just a single nunu, annie and sivir shard? Could you double check for me? I ask because if each shard is worth 90 BE and you get 3 of each for 3 champions it would add up nicely to the 810 minimum proclaimed by riot. If you're not getting this then the system is probably bugged and you may want to contact Riot Support about it.
MysterQ (NA)
: You HAVE TO be lying. https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/7cdoks/be_vs_ip_journaling/ See, I am journaling everything. Riot declared 810 is the lowest possible, I have gotten 810 and nothing below. 810 still feels bad ,but it isn't this 450 that you are claiming. Be objective before you make complaints. Riot will continue to ignore us if we make stuff up.
He's not claiming to get only 450 BE from a capsule. He says he's only getting 450 BE champions from capsules.
: I know tahm swallows but does he blow?
Of course he blows, just look at that tongue. Always licking and reaching everywhere. He's a dirty, dirty pervert.
Kai Guy (NA)
: I still would love to see Shard rentals get updated
Nice suggestion, I hope Riot sees this.
: But hey at least they're given 4 choices to choose from! {{item:2303}} {{item:2302}} {{item:2301}} {{item:2045}}
Hmm, 4 flavors of shit, thank you Riot. XD
: Hurray! I just got an honor capsule! Let's see what's inside...
At least you get them. I haven't seen a single one yet even though I've been in the top 10% of two honor categories. XD
: League needs a tank item that buffs towers
I'm not disagreeing with you, I just wanna say, careful what you wish for. You don't want to end up in the same position as supports and sightstone where a item becomes so fundamental you'll be dooming yourself if you don't always take it.
: I'm 34. Who's the young punk now eh? XD
Barkley (NA)
: Ok community, help a guy out
Can you really not destroy bots with her? It's pretty simple and straightforward. Just Q a enemy champion or nearby minion to get some damage on at least 1 enemy champion, wait out the cooldown then use your Q again, follow it up with a E behind the enemy you used your Q on, Press W when you are withing pickup range of the dagger that dropped from your Q, then press R and watch as everything around you either dies or gets real low. Then any time anything dies you basically get all your cooldowns reset (except for your R, that requires multiple kills) so just continue to use your Q on enemies, drop W's everywhere, and use your E to jump either to enemies or your daggers from your Q's and W', if you get 3 kills you get another use of your ult so you should be able to use it twice in 1 team fight. If you have any item actives that deal damage don't forget to use them when you can. Hextech Gunblade is a useful item for her. Just be mindfull of enemy CC, that is your one true weakness, if you get CC'd you die. Against human players you'll have to be more careful of course, not just due to the CC but also because of all the normal damage they can put out if they focus you and be weary of supports with exhaust. You kinda want your team to go in first and put some early damage on the enemy and spent their CC before you start your reign of terror in their midst and deal some crazy area damage to everything and get continues resets from kills. The only "tricky" thing is her Q drop point. It always drops some set distance behind the first target that you hit with it. Her E also gets reset if you pick up a dagger. You should be able to absolutely destroy bots 1v5 with her, depending on their CC.
Mob Piru (NA)
: why is there so many op champs and absolute garbage champs in league
If you're going to spent real money why don't you do some research first?
Rioter Comments
: Did I get insanely lucky, or is loot really this much better now?
You got insanely lucky. Most will only get less then 100 essence and a skin shard out of it, thats the standard drop. Riot really likes to give the middle finger to its player base by creating such a disparity in drops.
: Your best bet would be to use the practice mode to learn its range if you plan on playing her a lot.
AR URF (NA)
: Why is there so much hate for ADC?
Yeah man, all those snowbally supports are just out of control, totally unstoppable. I think its save to say we'd all rather face a fed Akali then a fed Nami am I right guys? XD
: I feel like Poppy's ultimate "Keeper's Verdict" could use some improvement.
The only problem I have with her ult is not having a single clue of its range and area if you don't charge it. I miss so many of my ults its crazy. I wish there was some kind of indicator.
: > [{quoted}](name=Valderis Vandala,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AtaZTV0Z,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-11-27T19:39:46.948+0000) > > Learn his combo? [Here maybe this helps.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrqWDPVXbhc) > > It might help if you asked better questions rather then just, help? > > I'm not a main btw, I can't really help you. thank you my good sir, or madame. I got a bunch of ideas now.
You're welcome. He is a very hard champion btw, no doubt you already experienced that the hard way. XD It's very easy to miss position yourself with him, its so very tempting to jump in the middle of the enemy team because you want to try and maximize your damage and hit everyone with all of your stars constantly but this is such a rookie mistake and a absolute trap most of the time. You do have to play him like an immobile mage a lot of the time, meaning to position yourself behind your team for safety. That's the only real advice I can give. Good luck.
: How Do I Get An S??
Gaining an exceptional score is easier if you're playing against players that are way worse then you are. So if you have a way of somehow playing way below your usual mmr, you'll have a good chance of gaining a few S ranks. For example if you happen to never play normals chances are you'd be going up against people way below your mmr, so at least while that lasts you get a good chance at gaining a few S ranks since you should be able to stomp those people.
: I was lying. {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}} She's always been an un-interactive HP battery (and long ago MP battery too).
Ok... welp that was pointless. Thanks for bumping my post I guess.
: You may not have been around in season 2, but the nerf to her missile speed was necessary to gut AD Soraka. Basically every part of her kit synergized too well with Attack speed and crit so they decided to make her a support instead and gut her damage.
Seriously? Man that is hilarious. Yeah I wasn't around for that sadly. XD She has been reworked over the years though, so, do you suppose she would still have the same problem?
Rioter Comments
AR URF (NA)
: Playing support sucks.
That only happens if your teammates are assholes. Try to ignore them (mute them if you like), do your best to win, and report them once the match is over. You can just play a damage support if what you prefer to do is damage. Some mages can be taken bot as well if that's more your thing.
: Clicking advanced details after a match should show the graph, not the stats
Yes, I've been asking for that for a long time. Come on Riot, make your client suck less.
Warios (NA)
: How much time does it take to click Graph?
: Can we get a non-random queue for Howling Abyss?
Or the ability to create a simple white/black list in the client would do.
: I'm 34. Who's the young punk now eh? XD
That's fine, that's your personal taste, everybody has champions they find bland. The point was that he is very different from the usual support line-up. {{champion:12}} {{champion:53}} {{champion:40}} {{champion:43}} {{champion:89}} {{champion:117}} {{champion:99}} {{champion:25}} {{champion:267}} {{champion:37}} {{champion:16}} {{champion:44}} {{champion:143}} Look at that. its just a row of sexy ladies with a cow and a robot thrown in for some reason. And the only evil one is morgana, and she doesn't really look all that evil in-game so meh. It doesn't matter what our opinions are on how thresh looks, compared to that line up he's a breath of fresh air.
SEKAI (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Valderis Vandala,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ow8gho3x,comment-id=00030000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-27T22:28:53.867+0000) > > I get that. We just disagree on a lot. > > And I have to ask because you brought it up earlier. XD What is your age? If you don't mind sharing that info. I am 23.
SEKAI (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Valderis Vandala,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ow8gho3x,comment-id=000300000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-27T22:10:43.326+0000) > > I see, thanks for the explanation. But like I said, it still just looks like a hate boner. Well, I am hating after all. It's not like I was even trying to hide that fact. I was merely explaining, hopefully in detail, on why exactly I hate him, and not just regular hating him, why I end up hating him THIS much.
I get that. We just disagree on a lot. And I have to ask because you brought it up earlier. XD What is your age? If you don't mind sharing that info.
SEKAI (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Valderis Vandala,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ow8gho3x,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-27T21:49:42.749+0000) > > How is he not supposed to work for Riot Games? I mean... as a designer. Because as I've said it somewhere in another thread, CertainlyT is that guy in the group project who's completely out of sync with everybody else solely for the sake of it, who do not respect nor compromise within the team and continuously pump out stuff that requires other people to fix it for him; because they simply believe in themselves somewhere that they're just innately special and everybody else is sheep, unimaginative, and/or possibly dumb, and he's here to lead them and show how it's done. That's precisely how his self-marketing narrative about how he's some creative messiah here to save Riot or some shit even began. I gave him the benefit of the doubt before, because literally, he's JUST stepped into the designing scene; okay, there should be mistakes due to inexperienceness and immature arrogance; while I hate them for doing it, but I won't blame them too much. But then they actually think they're doing great with all the hot messes he's done, and that everyone should follow him; and worse, instead of a wake-up call, Riot and the community chose to spoil him for whatever reason. And here we are with CertainlyT, who knows no bounds, getting passes left and right, and actually believe the sheer utter broken nonsense like Zoe's E is actually okay. Have you not learned your lessons at all, my fucking dear? At this stage, I don't even care about him. While I don't simply wish for him to get fired, but I want him out of the champion design scene of this game. Just literally, fuck off and go somewhere else.
I see, thanks for the explanation. But like I said, it still just looks like a hate boner.
SEKAI (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Valderis Vandala,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ow8gho3x,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-27T21:22:30.782+0000) > > Seems to me you got way too much of a hate boner going on man. > > But hey, you do you, it doesn't affect my life or enjoyment of the game. I hate him in the same way how long time WoW players hated WoD expansion or the whatever facebook stuff what was forcibly tied in with the game. CertainlyT is not making the game better in any way, shape, or form. They are literally not supposed to even work for titles like League of Legends as a designer for the game; their talent, assuming any, is simply not fit for this game, and there is no reason whatsoever that he's an esteemed designer at Riot. You see the issues with damage creeping, overloading (overloaded passives in particular), and mobility creeping slowly tearing the game apart and the competitive scene is spiraling into a joke (given how bad it already was to begin with); this guy while not the inventor of those things, he simultaneously pushed them forward with every single thing they do. And no, you don't get to say that he's just 1 fish in the pond, it's bad here because Riot itself is very clearly and actively taking note from this man. It's not looking good, at all. I have given him enough benefits of the doubt already, and they haven't improved whatsoever. In fact, they've only gotten worse over these years. I've really had enough of this clown and all of those nonsensical fanfares surrounding him graced from both the community and Riot themselves, seriously, I've had enough. I just want him to go somewhere else, not fired, but just somewhere else; like, dude, just go somewhere, just stop trashing the game anymore than you've done already. You can still enjoy them, but don't fault me for hating them noticeably influencing and changing the game for the far worst (for the reasons explained).
I don't play WoW so I have no idea what you're talking about. How is he not supposed to work for Riot Games? You're not making any sense there. I don't play his champions, I don't enjoy playing his champions, they're just not for me.
SEKAI (OCE)
: You basically rationalise that CertainlyT making a train wreck is okay because "we learn something from it". Here is the deal, Riot has been making a ton of mistakes too, and most people criticise them for it. What makes the dude so different that their mistakes are seen almost only as steps forward and actually welcomed whereas we snap at Riot whenever they fuck something up? This is what we call double standards. Not to mention, let's face it, a lot of CertainlyT's mistakes are REOCCURRING from BOTH his own mistakes and other people's mistakes. It means they simply aren't paying attention at all whatsoever. So how and in what way is that progressive, when they keep making the same fucking mistakes that could have been easily avoided by looking at other designer's past mistakes as well as their own history? ............... Thresh isn't a breath of fresh air in his looks. He's looks is something we can find in the bottom of DeviantArt. I mean, we complained about Death Sworn skins being bland as fuck, but somehow Thresh is a "breath of fresh air"? Nothing on this guy's physical appearance is remotely original and thoughtful besides the lantern, I will not hold this guy's physical design to any high esteem if I were you. Also he isn't somehow the first male support in the game you're making out to be, do you remember Alistar and Blitzcrank? Speaking of Blitzcrank, you claim that Thresh "doesn't feel out of place and somehow actually works", that's because Thresh was literally a rip-off of Blitzcrank; their kits are almost identical. So much for CertainlyT's fucking creativity amiright? How Thresh even made it out of the design board in the first place, and hasn't been reworked like Fiora who was a rip-off of Yi, is anybody's guess. Thresh is literally an upgraded version of Blitzcrank, who's also literally designed to do it all, and is also a disgusting meme who represents everything wrong about cooperate's ruthless cutthroat and favouritism culture on many fronts (think about it, both in terms of workplace politics and marketing); and you just called him a good character, lol. ............... I can also guess your age if "dark and evil" is literally your definition of cool. Maybe not your physical age, but I sure as hell can guess your mental age from that statement alone. ............... Regarding Zoe: "Never seen before" is also a poor argument. If I go taking a selfie in the middle of a highway, that would probably be something nobody has seen before, and nobody has seen that because nobody is dumb enough to do it. While not absolute, but a lot of things are never or less seen, because it's really just a bad idea. It's not all rainbows and sunshine, appeal to novelty arguments of "never seen before therefore it's good" is considered a logical fallacy and invalid or at least severely less valid. Speaking of W, it's also extremely RNG dependent, something Riot has said to be completely against; but I guess when you're CertainlyT, everybody is just gonna give you a pass on every fucking thing. "what can we do to make a nidalee spear work that isn't complete cancer" Except Zoe's Q is old Nid's spear that can also change direction. And Zoe has hard CC, Nid doesn't have any CC. Less cancer? Debatable _at best_. Speaking of E, it literally has the power budget of an ultimate. If it hits, that's already 2 sec stun, which is already VERY powerful, but no, CertainlyT doesn't think it's remotely enough, and so: if it doesn't hit, it's an AoE trap that can potentially stun the whole team; if the target is put asleep, they take double damage from the next attack on them, yes, fucking double damage (and sure they tried to put a cap on it, but nope they only put a soft-cap because... idk fuck me); if you hit the E that already has a big hitbox, you should somehow also be rewarded with soft reset for some reason; and you should also be able to extend the range when you hit the walls, because of course no one should be able to zone and contest against her, and that she should be able to CC someone from 1/3 across the map with literally no risk for doing so. But I guess that's k because it's SO FUUNNNNNN. lol. Fuck off. And you're saying she's less cancer than old Nidalee. LMAO ............... Double standards, double standards. No. CertainlyT is not some messiah, let's all be fucking real. He is just some random trash (imho) designer who's so trash everyone actually think he's good. No. I will never understand why people will keep sucking this failure's (imho) dick so much. This is me being very blunt here, because I've honestly had enough of his BS, and the fact not only no one is calling him out for his continuous and never ending catastrophic fuck-ups (or at least no one calling out on him has been seriously listened by Riot), people seem to actually love it when he repeatedly pulls his shit again and again with literally no improvement in sight, no respect for his fellow designers and the very game he's working on, and they just keep trying their overloading meta designs over and over again while the balance and reworks team commences a never-ending chase to clean up this guy's never-ending hot mess; and we not only don't cricitise him we encourage and cheer him on for it. For fuck sake.
Seems to me you got way too much of a hate boner going on man. But hey, you do you, it doesn't affect my life or enjoyment of the game.
: Why are Ashe and Garen still able to be on the free rotation?
Very good point, champions that are given to players just for leveling should eventually be removed from the free rotation.
: sol mains where are you, i need help
Learn his combo? [Here maybe this helps.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrqWDPVXbhc) It might help if you asked better questions rather then just, help? I'm not a main btw, I can't really help you.
: > [{quoted}](name=Valderis Vandala,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8jEHxVA0,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-11-27T05:41:33.614+0000) > > They told you this almost a week ago dude. You have nobody to blame but yourself. > > https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/special-event/learn-more-project-hunters-event I dont check forums that much, they should've mentioned it in-game. Not all players check the forums, only 30% or 20% do, the rest just play. {{sticker:fiora-cool}}
They link to that page in the client... I don't mean to harp on you, its just, you're so wrong... This information became available to you from within the client the moment the event started, because the link to it is provided by the announcement in the client.
SEKAI (OCE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Valderis Vandala,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ow8gho3x,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-11-27T04:47:33.312+0000) > > Of course not, why would he want to cripple his own job? > > The guy is probably just trying to add something truly unique to the game that hasn't been seen before, thats probably what all Riot designers strive for. Some of his champs are just so fantastically designed... Broken as fuck of course but still amazing in look and feel. XD > > I hope he'll make an enchanter support some day, maybe then I'll get to join in on the hate train as I get to bring the "OP-ness" to the rift. XD Except if you actually analyse CT's designs, most of them are meta as fuck, but I guess when your designs are so unbelievably meta, people would actually think you're creative. "Broken as fuck of course but still amazing in look and feel. XD" And that is literally what's wrong on this God's green earth.
Meta is shaped by the players, that has nothing to do with it. Look at Kalista, she's the poster child of champions with a overloaded kit. But man, what a cool looking champion who did so much different from other champions, she hops instead of walking and is able to throw teammates, and her spears sticking out of enemies looks cool. It's also a very interesting learning point for the League designers, her many particular strengths turned out to be an insanely OP combination, so much so that she had to be gutted and left inviable. Depending on how you look at it its a good thing, we learned something from it, mistakes happen when you keep trying out new things but its worth it because without it you can't progress or grow. This is not what is wrong on god's green earth, this is exactly what is right with it, its how we progress into a better future. Thresh was also a breath of fresh air, a support champion that actually looks cool and baddass and dark and evil, when the norm is mostly just sexy ladies. And he still has a kit that doesn't feel out of place and somehow actually works. So much so that people hate him for how versatile the champion is. The new Zoe champ is also very interesting. Her W is something we've never seen before, her E has that new interaction with walls that extents its range which is neat, and the whole champion can be summed up by "what can we do to make a nidalee spear work that isn't complete cancer". Its sad to see that she's currently still bugged up the ass but you know, we can appreciate the new things this champion brings to League.
: Thoughts of Overcharge from a Everything but ADC Main.
You are never useless in that gamemode, stick to cover, hunt for those drones and hunt champions when you gain that immortality boost. No matter how behind you are you can play smart and become unkillable.
: Can Malzahar's ult stops Zoe's R?
Can Camille's R stop her ult?
: explain this
There is a [rune](http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Future%27s_Market_%28Rune%29) that might do that but it only works from the 2 minute mark if I read it right.
: New Idea for Re-Balancing Runes/Masteries/Spells/Championis
Brilliant! XD Don't forget to make smite a ultra rare unlock-able that you can only get by spending 10 gems.
: *spends a week completing missions*
They told you this almost a week ago dude. You have nobody to blame but yourself. https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/special-event/learn-more-project-hunters-event
hoyohai (NA)
: Aren't all companies greedy and scumy? How else do they make money?
Of course they are. But that doesn't mean we have to accept it. And there are different levels of greediness. I also just happen to have a personal bone to pick with Riot because they taint something I love.
: > [{quoted}](name=Final Spark Lux,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OUB8NiIa,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-11-27T03:31:52.470+0000) > > Sounds like you're playing on tilt. Also the system tries its best to do it's thing, but the human element is a variable no system can take into account. Why wouldn't the system match me against other people in my rank though? It is hard enough to deal with people at the same skill, let alone seemingly constantly being pitted against the higher tiers.
Because the system doesn't go by matching ranks, it goes by matching mmr. Rank devisions are more of a "meaningless" color coating that give a false impression because it doesn't always line up perfectly with your mmr score. It's kind of a fucked up weird system but also a strangely necessary one (I think), because without it playing ranked would be the exact same as playing normals, so playing ranked would be meaningless. EDIT: Or depending on your perspective, playing normals would be meaningless.
: I have to ask: Does CertainlyT actually try to make his champions as frustrating as possible?
> Does CertainlyT actually try to make his champions as frustrating as possible? Of course not, why would he want to cripple his own job? The guy is probably just trying to add something truly unique to the game that hasn't been seen before, thats probably what all Riot designers strive for. Some of his champs are just so fantastically designed... Broken as fuck of course but still amazing in look and feel. XD I hope he'll make an enchanter support some day, maybe then I'll get to join in on the hate train as I get to bring the "OP-ness" to the rift. XD
: Final support item should take slot of sightstone
I think you can set preferred item locations in your item list maker. No idea if thats useful for you but there you go, its something.
: Would you rather free lootboxes out of events or paid event tickets with old essence values?
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